No, what the hell does this have to do with Aus Politics? 

Lambie the next to resign from Parliment as a result of her dual citizenship

Will be at least another 10 to go.

Total farce.

-PB

It's not really a farce.  Some of these inherited citizenships are just ridiculous.  Barnaby Joyce's is a prime example.  Who would have bloody known?  

I suppose someone should have told them but no doubt there's literally dozens of other parliamentarians from past decades in government that weren't technically eligible to sit.

I'd say the Constitution may need a little tweak ... nowadays surely money is a bigger issue for 'morals' than if you hold citizenship to another country because of your parents. Chinese state-owned companies can sponsor your campaign and party millions of dollars, but someone loses their seat because their parents were born overseas and this meant their child born in Australia was by default a citizen of that country too. I know which one I would think is more 'loyal' to Australia and their state/electorate.

61% Yes vote.

Doneskies.

-PB

Thank god that's over. Surprised it wasn't a much higher number in favour tbh.

Now for the political gymnastics from the religious elite. 

$120 million to confirm what we already knew. A giant waste of time and money.

Pretty similar percentages to what most polls suggested too I am pretty sure.

I don't think the watered down and discriminatory amended bill options some conservative Liberals were pushing the other day will see the day of light ... no way can Australian laws allow targeted discrimination.

Not enough money for FTTP.

Wastes it on an informal non binding chat. Fuck I hate these c*nts.

Echo everyone's sentiments.

Next step is to vote this incompetent government out once and for all. Hopefully our (slightly homophobic) friends in Bennelong can push this along a bit quicker.

That's a shame, because protecting free speech and religious freedom should matter in a liberal democracy. Someone shouldn't be forced to participate in a gay wedding any more than someone should be forced to participate in any political/religious event they don't agree with.

Nup sorry, if you're a civil marriage servant, you should only be licensed on the provision that you perform your duties based on the law of the nation. If you disagree with the law you shouldn't be in that profession.

There is religious freedom, but you go into business and then you can't discriminate. It's that simple. Otherwise you start down a slippery slope ... 

That's not the only issue we are talking about when it comes to religious freedom and free speech. But basically, what you're hardline position says is that conservative Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists etc., as well as anyone from ethnic backgrounds opposed to homosexuality (i.e. mainly migrant communities like Asia, Africa and the Middle East) are no longer welcome in a large number of professions or public roles.

Agree ... otherwise you are a religious leader / official who are exempt under current laws.

There is a difference between denying a person a good because of who they are, and being forced to participate in any activity you don't agree with it.

So for instance, a baker cannot refuse someone a cake simply because they are black/white/conservative/liberal/religious/irreligious/whatever. However, they should be allowed to say I don't want to bake a pro-Donald Trump cake, a pro-Hilary cake, a pro-abortion cake, an anti-abortion cake, etc. There is no reason why this shouldn't extend to issues regarding sexuality (i.e. a baker will provide a cake to people who are gay, but shouldn't have to design a cake for their wedding if it goes against their beliefs)

Of course they are welcome however they can't let their personal views affect their business' values. Which is pretty much the standard line for every job there currently is in Australia at the moment. I personally won't work for a business that I don't share values with (for example I could have got involved in the mining industry but I couldn't personally justify it based on my environmental values, similarly I left a environmental agency because I didn't believe they were managing the environment in a sustainable manner and my arguments feel on deaf ears).

Why??

What reason would they have to refuse to bake the cake if not for religious reasons ... which you said they "cannot refuse".

God should intervene then and clear up the matter 

But this is where the argument is so hypocritical. For instance, would you force a party planner who is ideologically aligned with the Greens to run a fundraiser for One Nation? Both are legally allowed positions in this country, just like same sex marriage will be. If you're answer is no (which I expect it would be for everyone) but you would force a religious party planner who is ideologically opposed to gay weddings to organise a gay wedding, then it is hypocrisy.

I think you aren't understanding the distinction.

A Muslim baker cannot deny someone a cake because they are Christian (i.e. if you walk in a store and want a chocolate mud cake). A Muslim baker should be able to not make a "Jesus is Lord" cake, because they consider that blasphemous, nor should they be forced to make a cake that is non-Halal. 

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/australia-decides-live-coverage-of-samesex-marriage-survey/news-story/f03c276c28cc9073fefd92bd9bed7f9d

Find the map, zoom in on Sydney and draw your own conclusions.

Funny seeing an 83% yes vote bordering a 26% yes vote.

They could say they only make Halal cakes and they wouldn't be forced to make one. If you don't offer the service at all then it is not discriminatory.

And yes they should be made to make a cake that says "Jesus is Lord" ... because they are in business and their personal beliefs can't discriminate against others. If they don't want to make cakes that could say this then simply they shouldn't go into business.

The religious and conscientious exemptions that are mooted are a bit of a joke. 

As someone said on triple J yesterday afternoon a baker, who may be religously and vehemently opposed to divorce, can't refuse you service but apparently if you are a 'conscientious' objector with regards to gay marriage you can.

Ridiculous.
 

I guess the thing in Australia is we protect an individuals human rights (through laws) on matters that are not 'chosen' (except for religion, which is covered in the Constitution). Your political ideology however is a choice and it is the same as a business. If a business / party have values that don't align with your businesses you have that choice ... as both involved have had a choice in their values.

Refusing to bake a cake that says "Jesus is Lord," or that advances a different political view doesn't harm anyone. Refusing to bake a cake based on inherent aspects of the customers' lives is actively harmful. Religious freedom isn't a free for all, and the government needs to curb it when it harms other people. If you're the only gay couple in rural Kentucky and your county clerk refuses to issue you a wedding licence because of their beliefs, that is fucked.

In the 1950s and 1960s many American Southerners refused to provide services to interracial couples who want to get married. Their justification was a religious one; they would point to all sorts of Bible passages etc. to suggest that a black man marrying a white woman (and visa versa) is wrong. That is now - rightly - illegal.

Do you support a baker refusing to make a wedding cake for an interracial couple, based on their religious beliefs? Because the principle is exactly the same for gay couples. 

What if I order a cake with a caricature of Mohammed on it? Or a cake with a caricature of a woman not dressed in a tent? 

If the cake is offensive or crude then a baker could refuse based on that. I think in the case from America they wanted a penis shaped cake ... if they refused purely based on the 'crudeness' of making a penis shaped cake it would have been fine I believe (although States have very different laws).

Does that mean I can refuse to do work for other minority groups? haha

I say if you are a public company or work for one, suck it up and leave your prejudices at home. Otherwise we will have to create conservative safe spaces along with our leftard ones right? :p