The only nasty thing here is telling gay students that upholding a traditional view of marriage is equal to hate.  

I'm not sure what was my highlight tonight, One Nation tanking so hard or Scott Emerson cracking the sads. The local LNP candidate getting the ass was also very good. 

Why and how?

Oh for crying out loud.

Catholic Church was always going to be against SSM. If you can't understand why, then I suggest people pick up a Bible and start reading it to find out. Incidentally, whether you are a Christian or Atheist/Agnostic, it is literally the best book ANYONE can read even today and deserves its place as the very best top seller. Everyone should make a point of reading it. It is a journey all people can embrace and it will draw you in. You will learn a lot.

The NO Campaign slogan was actually quite clever and it was appealing to those who felt silenced in a way with what was seen by many in the no camp as quite aggressive bullying and name calling, telling them that it is actually ok to exercise your democratic right and vote no.

As for Gay children attending catholic Schools and their feelings. I can't comment on Catholic Schools because I don't have any experiences at all. But I can comment on Orthodox Schools and Parishes which do indeed have a number of Gay people as either students and/or parishioners. There is never any hatred flung towards them. Even the devout ones who are obligated to partake in Orthodox Confession which is unlike catholic Confession. It is face to face and super confidential.The Priest isn't allowed to say anything to anyone. but they are given all the assistance they need, from Counseling, to retreats to Monasteries with their Spiritual Fathers.

Our Church is the most successful hospital of all. It soothes people, gives them a safe haven, provides assistance and support every step of the way. The Holy Spirit still performs many miracles. It heals people. It prevents mental illness and strengthens people spiritually and psychologically. We are the one true Apostolic Church of Israel the Nation.

AND, we have had "Gay" people marry the Church and die to this world and become Monks. That is a life long commitment to celibacy and for them it is a blessing. And what we mean by dieing to the world, is that there is no contact at all with mainstream society, TV, newspapers, internet, money, any possessions and even family.

BTW guys, it's very easy saying that our religion and all religions are false and not true.

But don't forget that Christianity changed the entire Roman Empire. That is not some small thing if there was no truth in it.

Also, there is a new Church being built somewhere. It's a majestic building with 2 bell towers. On October 12, a passing car photographed the building and on top of the left bell tower facing the building was an apparition of a human dressed in black. A ghost basically. The individual appeared to wear a black hat. 

It is impossible for anyone to climb to the bell tower because the stairs were not as yet installed.

That same night, and at midnight, the bells began to ring. There was no one on the property. Neighbors called the police and the police attended only to find no one at the property.

The next day, workers came to the property and found the 2 very heavy bells installed on the bell tower when they were not installed.

The apparition was the Saint. The very Saint who was beheaded in 1463 AD.

In addition, lights flicker on and off.

Yes it is a ghost story. A bloody true one too. Only thing is, that these Ghosts are good and full of love.

That a similar bill may be proposed in the new year (or as part of the next election cycle) in WA was front page here today. Although the headline was "DEAD IN 10 DAYS" ... which pretty much gave the impression that mentally unstable people can be given permission to euthanaise and carry it out within 10 days. Only further into the article did it mention that in Victoria you have to diagnosed with a terminal illness with 6 months left, and get two doctors permission.

Also the premier said it would serve as a blueprint on how to move forward with the laws, not that WA would necessarily follow them verbatim. Anyway, I think this is another law that will become the "norm" across Australia in the next decade, it will be the devil in the detail that will be the sticking points (and I'd imagine there might be some changes as people try to find loopholes).

Another thought I had was how will doctors diagnose patients. I'd imagined they'd be very cautious of diagnosing "new" patients with 6 months left to live ... unless absolute certain. I can understand if they've been seeing a patient for years and say you're on your last legs, but surely with "new" patients they'd err on the side of caution and where they previously may have said 6 months now they say'll 9 or more months just to make sure they don't give them the option of euthanasia until they see if the symptoms, illness progresses to a worse state.

Ah yes that terrific period when it collapsed leading to the medieval period that condemned Europe to frightened mediocrity for nearly 1500 years 

I meant that Christianity Actually converted the entire Roman Empire from Paganism to Christianity in the space of about 100 years in what was the first Apostolic Church emanating from the 11 Disciples and their ministries. It was known as simply "The Church of Christ" (Later Orthodox Church). The oldest form of Christianity with unbroken lineage to the 11 Disciples who held the first ministries. The only religion which maintains the original texts of all the Scrolls, includes all The Old Testament in Hebrew and The New Testament in Ancient Greek.

Just think about the significance of that for a second. 11 Disciples managed to somehow change the entire Roman Empire and convert millions of people to Christianity throughout the entire known world.

The Church still had an empire called Byzantium with its capital as Constantinople. It was the Roman Empire (Eastern) or what remained of it in the east. It collapsed in 1453 when it was overrun by the Mongol Turks (Islam). Then, Europe descended into the Dark Ages.

The Schism occurred in 1054 AD when a group headed by a Pope broke off from the Church and became known as Catholicism. The reason for the Schism is because the Synod of Bishops refused to bow to the Roman Bishop who started to call himself The Pope and because they changed The Creed. The Synod of Bishops (later Orthodox) considered the Pope as heresy. The Orthodox Church still considers The Pope as a heretic.

Then the Church called itself Orthodox (right believing), or Eastern Rite, or Orthodox Catholic Church. Yes the Orthodox actually call themselves Catholic Orthodox.

Then the Roman Catholics broke off into 100 pieces (Lutheran, Anglican, Jehova, Mormon, Scientology, Presbyterianism etc etc.). The Orthodox Church only recognizes The Anglicans and perhaps the Lutheran Church but no one else. Only Anglicans or Lutherans can marry Orthodox Christians without Chrismation and Baptism.

And so the only Church to still have maintained an Apostolic Connection and remains unchanged from 2000 years ago is The Orthodox, hence the name. The Catholics will of course disagree with everything I have just said, but what I have said is supported by all historians and the facts no matter the sectarian delusions.

In fact, the Pope even admitted that Orthodoxy is correct because he uses The Orthodox Creed whenever in the presence of any Orthodox Bishop. Orthodox Bishops refuse to accept the Catholic Creed. The Catholics allow Orthodox communion. Orthodox forbids Catholics from taking Orthodox Communion. However, the Anglicans and Orthodox accept bilateral communion with one and another strangely enough but not with Catholicism and this appears to extend virtually to Lutherans as well or atleast the High Order Lutherans.

And that is extraordinarily convenient, especially for the Royals.

That is mostly completely irrelevant to the post you quoted and seems like another wank about how Orthodox Christianity is better than other religions......

Read the works by Eusebius who essentially justifies the crucification of pagans who refused to convert to Christianity. What a way to start off modern Christianity right *cough* the Council of Nicaea in 325 *cough* to cheery pick Christianity and then allowing the murder of non-Christians.

Garbage. Europe had already been in the midst of the Dark Ages since the death of Attila and the collapse of the Western Romans in the 5th century. The fall of Constantinople was an impetus for the Renaissance - many Venetian and Byzantine citizens fled the ancient capital bringing with them works and materials that stimulated Italy in particular into innovation and humanism. Despite this Constantinople had for several hundred years been in disrepair, it hadn't been a viable imperial empire since the 10/11th centuries with its Macedonian dynasty. The Muslim conquests in the 7th/8th centuries significantly affected them - they could no longer import grain from Egypt and had to grow their own, to predictably unsatisfactory results. The Fourth Crusades essentially neutered them and if it wasn't for Temujin and Tamerlane they would have fallen earlier. Not to mention the interminable religious and political intrigues that would rival the future imperial Russia. It's also a bit of stretch to claim the Ottomans as Mongols, although Turkic and from the Steppe originally, they had been settled in Anatolia for a significant time and were victims of the Mongol conquest. 

Very well said. Someone knows their history. 

I'm a history enthusiast, not an expert but I can pretty comfortably say:

Seriously...

As I said before he left last time, virtually everything he says is incorrect not just because a difference of opinion but because it's full of "facts" than can be shown to be demonstrably false. Wears you down too much to point them all out so better to just ignore.

Oh yeah, had no intention of engaging beyond that.
I mean, maybe to him the renaissance really did = the dark ages

It's  ricey. Like rusty they live to have e fights  to stroke  their egos

Ugh can we fuck Dastarayi off already?

-PB

Agree. Shorten  needs to man up and fuck him.off

That is what you think but the Byzantine Empire flourished and lasted to 1453AD.

The Byzantine Empire was an offshoot of the Roman Empire and there were no Dark Ages in Byzantium at all.

Furthermore, Christianity had overtaken the entire Roman Empire a lot earlier than 500AD. By about 200 AD, most of the Empire was Christian and part of the Byzantine Church right up until the Great Schism in 1054AD.

Fuck him off? He needs to be put in jail.

Clearly a troll. None of that is accurate 

He's got to go this time. His actions are bordering on treason. 

As I tried to explain to you before, the Church is prone to evil influence since it is run by Man. In fact, we believe that one day Satan may gain a position of trust within our very Apostolic Church (that is the Orthodox Church btw) and fool the masses. We believe that Satan is all powerful, like our God and capable of many things. The Apocalypse teaches us that Satan will gain great power over the Earth before the second coming of Christ. So the Orthodox Church could be led by the Dark Angel one day (DEVIL).

The pagans were in actual fact Ancient Greek scholars, philosophers and believers in the old Ancient Gods. Our Church fundamentally believes that no one is worthy of crucifixion because Christ himself was crucified. I kid you not. Our Martyrs who were about to be crucified, begged their executioners not to be executed in that fashion because they are UNWORTHY. Some were still crucified, but most were either beheaded, or burned alive at the stake, fed to lions, thrown off cliffs and by other means.

But generally speaking, the Orthodox Church later was responsible for protecting many Ancient Greek and Roman artifacts, literature pieces and in fact teach the old philosophies within their theology courses and it is interesting to note that the correlations are very similar and valid.

I'm afraid it is all accurate and true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire

Check it all out for yourself. I've been studying this stuff for years and have a masters in Theology. I am qualified to be a Priest but I have not been ordained as one as of yet.

It is something I am considering because there is nothing more fulfilling than to help people. It can be extremely fulfilling, but it can also be depressing.

Voluntary Assisted Dying passed into law today in Victoria.

Congratulations to all for having the guts to stare down religious objections and stick to the facts of the matter.

It's not religion you need to contend with. Religion is NOT your enemy. On the contrary, religion is your greatest ally, it's just you do not know what you do. One day you will learn and mature. Just make sure you do that before its too late. And when I say religion in this context, I mean something sensible because there are literally hundreds of religions and the vast majority are anything but sensible.

Our people will not do it, it is society that will need to deal with the slippery slope. You will think what you think, until it affects YOU in time.

Same with SSM supporters. You will support it, until you have your own children and can't remove them from Sex Education which will be anything but Sex Education. Our parishioners will flout the law and be happy to go to jail.

Going to jail is a blessing when it is done in support of God's laws. Dieing in his name is a bigger blessing.

Our believers will ALWAYS prefer to break Societies laws and rules when those laws and rules contravene God's laws, which is why it was necessary to have some protections.

No it doesn't really.

The terminology of Dark Ages to the Eastern Church was with the downfall of Constantinople and the Byzantine Empire. And yes, that was a very Dark Age.

We do not use the term in the Western European context when it was going through a renaissance, which was a great supporter of the Eastern Church when it was under siege in Constantinople from millions of Islamic Hordes btw.

Yawn, why are you even here?

This doesn't have anything to do with politics.

-PB

If you want some lol's go on the ABC news facebook page and look at any article on dodgy Sam. Every second person is either trying to spin it that he's done nothing wrong and this is just a LNP beat-up or trying to bring up Stewart Roberts. Deflection much. Good old ABC sheep, counting the hits and ignoring the misses. 

How anybody can defend Sam here is beyond me.