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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]LNP actually stopped the boats. Hardly anyone in detention centers and no new arrivals. Those who are still there might as well leave now desoite being encouraged by the left wing activists to stay and cause maximum disturbance and havoc and also resulting in the "suicide attempts". I remember very clearly when under Labor and the Greens detention centres were packed to the rafters with asylum seekers, tens of thousands of them, yet there was very little commotion from the Left about this. It was only after they lost government, and detention centres started closing, that all of a sudden this concept of detaining people became some great act of inhumanity and cruelty. This was most poignant when that chap got bashed by PNG locals and died, and the subsequent confected public outrage , candlelight vigils, crocodile tears and protests against the government. Yet these very same people were deadly silent when thousands were dying and tens of thousands locked up. I guess what I learnt is that the left interpret ethics and morality differently depending on who is in government. 10's of thousands Russ? All at once? Seems a tad exaggerated. (Not disagreeing with anything else you're saying but you don't do yourself any favours when you make ridiculous claims.) Not exaggerating at all mate You are Russ. Nah I’m not. Over 8,000 children were detained by Labor/Greens. No one gave a shit when they were in power though. Source? Immigration detainees 2012 = 19,376 Yeah we'll have to call that a draw. Not quite 10's of thousands (more than 10, < 20) but definitely higher than I thought initially. No no, let’s call it a win for Russ 2012-2013 = 38,000+ (ie Tens of Thousands) https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1617/Quick_Guides/ImmigrationDetention
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLNP actually stopped the boats. Hardly anyone in detention centers and no new arrivals. Those who are still there might as well leave now desoite being encouraged by the left wing activists to stay and cause maximum disturbance and havoc and also resulting in the "suicide attempts". I remember very clearly when under Labor and the Greens detention centres were packed to the rafters with asylum seekers, tens of thousands of them, yet there was very little commotion from the Left about this. It was only after they lost government, and detention centres started closing, that all of a sudden this concept of detaining people became some great act of inhumanity and cruelty. This was most poignant when that chap got bashed by PNG locals and died, and the subsequent confected public outrage , candlelight vigils, crocodile tears and protests against the government. Yet these very same people were deadly silent when thousands were dying and tens of thousands locked up. I guess what I learnt is that the left interpret ethics and morality differently depending on who is in government. 10's of thousands Russ? All at once? Seems a tad exaggerated. (Not disagreeing with anything else you're saying but you don't do yourself any favours when you make ridiculous claims.) Not exaggerating at all mate You are Russ. Nah I’m not. Over 8,000 children were detained by Labor/Greens. No one gave a shit when they were in power though. Source? It's possible but Russ was intimating that there were 10's of thousands all at once when there never was. But whatever the real numbers something like 1200+ died at sea under Labour which is magnitudes of orders higher than any that died under the Libs. When the numbers are so already high and one-sided there's no need to pull numbers out of your arse like Russ does. Do you agree that to stop boat arrivals we needed to go to the extremes the government has with the detention of those asylum seekers? It's a tricky one. Yes because they stopped people trafficking stone cold dead . (No pun intended.) No doubt saving hundreds if not thousands of deaths at sea. No because it's cruel and inhumane to keep people locked up for years on end without any resolution. They need to move those people out ASAP. And we need to stop outsourcing our refugee 'policy' to 3rd world countries. Let's resettle them somewhere and lets do it quickly. I don’t think Manus and Nauru is anywhere near as bad as the media and left makes out. The conditions are far better than UNHCR run refugee camps, these people have full time access to food, water, accomodation, medical facilities and at least in Nauru they can come and go as they please, start businesses and mingle among the community. Their quality of life would be better than millions across the 3rd world for whom access to clean drinking water is a struggle. I won’t say that these conditions are on par with Club Med but I think the notion that these places are mental illness factories where everyone wants to neck themselves is just devious lefty rhetoric trying to dismantle the governments policy. If it was as acceptable as you say, then why would they be trying to get off? They'd be living it up like it was a holiday. C'mon man. Just because this refugee camp is better than the ones where they shoot people doesn't mean it should exist. Just recently 9 people attempted suicide, with 3 people still in hospital. Obviously these reports could be exaggerated, but these things are still reported as facts globally. This isn't even about left v right, or Lib v Labor - Libs are *completely* shit, and Labor are *mostly* shit - it's about real people suffering consequences for attempting to escape their fucking terrible lives. Australia's global reputation has been damaged more by this than anything else in the countries recent history. Also, activists have been against this from day 1. It's not a recent thing, and certainly did not only happen when the Libs were in power. The fact is, though - Libs have a hardline immigration policy and will likely even completely repeal/get rid of the Medivac bill, allowing refugees medical treatment in Australia. Labor were more likely to try and do something to fix this clusterfuck.
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+xCan someone help me out with some basic maths please. I owe the bank $1000.00. Every year I get $1000 in income. Every year I spend $1333.33 After 3 years I owe the bank $2000.00. WTF! Can someone please explain to me what has just happened? I must be a bit thick because despite all evidence to the contrary I'm supposed to be better at managing my money than the other bloke. Yes, all Labor initiatives which needed to be clawed back over time either by raising more revenue or cutbacks. This is what the Libs had to do and they did it budget after budget - to meet their 2021 target. Furthermore, throughout history, it is only the LNP that achieves budget parity and surplus. They had to do it when Howard won, and they had to do it again in the last 6 years and will achieve the objective next year on current projections. When did the ALP do that? Never?
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ScoMos gonna revoke the Medevac bill lol -PB
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+xScoMos gonna revoke the Medevac bill lol -PB Good! It's time to elliminate this issue and deport the illegals.
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+x+xScoMos gonna revoke the Medevac bill lol -PB Good! It's time to elliminate this issue and deport the illegals. No doubt they will be pouring into street wailing and protesting about this, but when boats sink and people die they shrug their shoulders and say things like “these things happen”.
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+x+xI didn’t say highest GDP, I said rate of increase. In relation to those figures, if you analyse them more carefully you will see that debt gdp remained consistent until 2016 and has flatlined since. The fact is the government has gotten us back to surplus, and a sustainable expenditure path going forward. There isn’t an ex Labor PM alive today who delivered a surplus. Let's see exactly what you said. Rusty said: Spending and debt skyrocketed under Labor I think at one point we were the highest in the world for rate of spending and debt relative to GDF. I assume you meant GDP as there's no such thing as GDF but in any case you presented 2 distinct claims separated by a conjunction. The facts are debt relative to GDP was higher under the libs. Not only that taxes as a percentage of GDP were higher under the libs. I mean shift the goalposts around as much as you want but all that does is show you up as a disingenuous debater. Much like another clown on here. I'd have far more respect for you if you occasionally conceded a point or even a sliver of a point when you're faced with incontrovertible evidence. . Nothing to say Rusty?
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Naw diddums I did a typo now lose credibility forever. ;(
Firstly you have to analysis the data and statistics in order to understand how this in fact Labor’s debt. When Labor came info office in 2007, they inherited ZERO net debt and government debt to GDP was about 9%. Six years later gov debt to GDP skyrocketed to a whopping 30% and net debt was at around 12%. At the time this meteoric rise in debt, spending and deficit constituted fastest spending debt and deficit growth within the OECD. This was not discretionary spending, these were locked in budget measures that passed the senate. So when the Coalition got re-elected in 2013, spending continued to rise as at the same trajectory that Labor had bequeathed them. I’m sure everyone remembers Abbott and Hockey trying to put the fire out but they were blocked by the senate and ripped into by the media, and therefore measures to address the “budget emergency” were rebuffed. You can blame government the not being good enough negotiators with the senate, you can blame them for raising taxes high enough (deficit levy made top marginal tax rate one the highest in the world) but you can’t say they doubled THE debt, all you can really get out of it is to say they doubled LABORS debt. However they also slowed spending, deficit and debt, had they done nothing and left labors record spending unchecked the books would look a lot worse than what they are right now.
Its very disingenuous to accuse the Liberal government of doubling debt and failing to explain the context around WHY the debt doubled.
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You never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you.
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+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though.
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+x+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though. Gosh, it's like talking to children sometimes. They don't seem to have a grasp how Government works either. The LNP was locked in to Labors spending as it was all legislated through their budgets and it took time to undo the trajectory. It's not as if the LNP can just stop the spending as soon as they get into office.
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+x+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though. Evidently one of these sources is wrong. I dunno, I'll trust the judgment of the IMF over some random nobody on the internet on Australia's performance during the GFC. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-21/swan-named-best-treasurer/2908654
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+x+x+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though. Gosh, it's like talking to children sometimes. They don't seem to have a grasp how Government works either. The LNP was locked in to Labors spending as it was all legislated through their budgets and it took time to undo the trajectory. It's not as if the LNP can just stop the spending as soon as they get into office. Agree. Just like in 2007, the ALP was locked into LNP spending. So with 9% debt, the ALP were forced to 32%. The amount of debt locked in by the LNP is much worse than what the ALP did to the LNP! Anyway, this is a stupid argument.
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+x+x+x+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though. Gosh, it's like talking to children sometimes. They don't seem to have a grasp how Government works either. The LNP was locked in to Labors spending as it was all legislated through their budgets and it took time to undo the trajectory. It's not as if the LNP can just stop the spending as soon as they get into office. Agree. Just like in 2007, the ALP was locked into LNP spending. So with 9% debt, the ALP were forced to 32%. The amount of debt locked in by the LNP is much worse than what the ALP did to the LNP! Anyway, this is a stupid argument. In 2007, the ALP took office with zero debt and money in the Bank. There was a budget surplus.
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+x+x+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though. Evidently one of these sources is wrong. I dunno, I'll trust the judgment of the IMF over some random nobody on the internet on Australia's performance during the GFC. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-21/swan-named-best-treasurer/2908654 It's very difficult to take this seriously. Swan had just taken over from Costello, and the award should have gone to him. Also, it wasn't the IMF that issues this award. It's Euromoney Magazine.
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+x+x+x+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though. Gosh, it's like talking to children sometimes. They don't seem to have a grasp how Government works either. The LNP was locked in to Labors spending as it was all legislated through their budgets and it took time to undo the trajectory. It's not as if the LNP can just stop the spending as soon as they get into office. Agree. Just like in 2007, the ALP was locked into LNP spending. So with 9% debt, the ALP were forced to 32%. The amount of debt locked in by the LNP is much worse than what the ALP did to the LNP! Anyway, this is a stupid argument. This is supposed to be tongue in cheek right?
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+x+x+x+x+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though. Gosh, it's like talking to children sometimes. They don't seem to have a grasp how Government works either. The LNP was locked in to Labors spending as it was all legislated through their budgets and it took time to undo the trajectory. It's not as if the LNP can just stop the spending as soon as they get into office. Agree. Just like in 2007, the ALP was locked into LNP spending. So with 9% debt, the ALP were forced to 32%. The amount of debt locked in by the LNP is much worse than what the ALP did to the LNP! Anyway, this is a stupid argument. In 2007, the ALP took office with zero debt and money in the Bank. There was a budget surplus. Then why did rusty just post 9% public debt to GDP? So those numbers are off?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though. Gosh, it's like talking to children sometimes. They don't seem to have a grasp how Government works either. The LNP was locked in to Labors spending as it was all legislated through their budgets and it took time to undo the trajectory. It's not as if the LNP can just stop the spending as soon as they get into office. Agree. Just like in 2007, the ALP was locked into LNP spending. So with 9% debt, the ALP were forced to 32%. The amount of debt locked in by the LNP is much worse than what the ALP did to the LNP! Anyway, this is a stupid argument. In 2007, the ALP took office with zero debt and money in the Bank. There was a budget surplus. Then why did rusty just post 9% public debt to GDP? So those numbers are off? You need to go and do more research son
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+x+x+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though. Evidently one of these sources is wrong. I dunno, I'll trust the judgment of the IMF over some random nobody on the internet on Australia's performance during the GFC. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-21/swan-named-best-treasurer/2908654 https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/GGXWDG_NGDP@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/AUSPublic debt 2007 = 9.7% Public debt 2013 = 30.7% Public debt 2019 = 41.1% You should probably bother to check your sources before citing them.
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Why is it 9.7%? I thought we were in surplus?
I cbf doing any research but it’s fun just critiquing material cited.
The reality is, the economic circumstances were different during those periods and you can’t really compare.
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+xWhy is it 9.7%? I thought we were in surplus?I cbf doing any research but it’s fun just critiquing material cited.The reality is, the economic circumstances were different during those periods and you can’t really compare. Gross v net
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+x+x+x+x+x+xYou never had much credibility regardless Rusty. Govt debt/gdp was 10% when they took office (in the midst of the worst global recession in decades, mind you), and only reached 20% in 2013. In 5 years from 2013 - 2018, the Liberals increased debt/gdp by an extra 14% to bring us to the 34% we're at today. The Liberals actually managed to increase the debt by much more in much more favorable economic conditions. Source: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp. If you need me to explain how the graph works I'd be happy to oblige, numbers must be hard for you. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdpPublic debt 2007 = 9% Public debt 2013 = 32% Public debt 2019 = 41% Let me know if you need assistance interpreting the data, I can draw it in crayons if that helps. Also you can’t blame the GFC for Labor’s spending like drunk sailors, clearly the trajectory continued spacewards well after the GFC ended. Nice try though. Gosh, it's like talking to children sometimes. They don't seem to have a grasp how Government works either. The LNP was locked in to Labors spending as it was all legislated through their budgets and it took time to undo the trajectory. It's not as if the LNP can just stop the spending as soon as they get into office. Agree. Just like in 2007, the ALP was locked into LNP spending. So with 9% debt, the ALP were forced to 32%. The amount of debt locked in by the LNP is much worse than what the ALP did to the LNP! Anyway, this is a stupid argument. In 2007, the ALP took office with zero debt and money in the Bank. There was a budget surplus. Then why did rusty just post 9% public debt to GDP? So those numbers are off? Net debt is what is attributed to the Government which is zero. hose numbers are Gross debt. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_countries_by_public_debtWhilst the economic times were different, if it wasn't for Costello, Australia would not have weathered the GFC as well as it did.
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We are starting to see the trump phenomena here in Australia because the ALP lost despite all polls telling us they were in an unloseable position. I was the only one on this forum that predicted that it would all end in tears for the ALP. But just like the USA where they accuse Russian Collusion, the ALP are accusing the Murdoch Media. They are scurrying to find their boogey man. Despite most journalists in the Murdock Empire actually being left leaning, despite some publications and Sky news having a right slant they have many with a left slant despite Fairfax and ABC having a slight Left stance only. They seem to be in their own Twitter echo chamber. The modern left lost because they are insufferable and the working classes were just sick and tired of the left thumbing their noses at them thinking they are morally and intellectually superior than they are. Food for thought!
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mouflonrouge
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Another reason for the voter backlash is because Christians voted against the ALP. The ALP abandoned millions of Christians around Australia. Chris Bowen speaks to the Australian about how Christians were abandoned by the ALP. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/votes-lost-in-religion-backlash-says-bowen/news-story/4daa91d02862ad2a79f75b2be280f0b2?fbclid=IwAR0Mvoz4m3rUaTUwKyRW32nZBgSkHkCZZMJwCrwG9e25wMCh9l6Z5gLmamk
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mcjules
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Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia
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mouflonrouge
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+xReplace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia Yes ok we all know that Fox News is heavily slanted towards the Republicans. they make no secret of that either. We also know that Sky news after dark is heavily slanted towards being against the ALP. During the day, its a bit different though. Also, it's is a pay TV channel with limited viewership. But that isn't all of the Murdoch Media. So much of the news Limited organization actually plays a straight bat - newspapers like the Australian in particular. Also, a survey was done about most of the journalists that work within News Limited, and most have left leaning tendencies. So, Fox News is completely irrelevant in the Australian context. Sky News is a Foxtel channel and a private company, and not generally representative of the wider Murdoch network either. Whilst our ABC is publicly funded and quite clearly leaning towards the ALP and Greens.
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rusty
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If it isn’t collusion with Russia it’s collusion with the evil Overlord Rupert Murdoch.
Sure, can freely admit that News Corp for the most part is biased to the right. But then on the flip side you have Fairfax, ABC, SBS, Twitter, The Guardian, academia, most celebrities, The Project, news.com.au, The Conversation etc that is biased to the left.
All in all I think most of the news media is tilted to the left, by virtue of the fact there are more outlets and subscribers to left wing media outlets than the right. For example The Australian and Sky are subscriber based outlets whereas the ABC and SBS is free, mainstream and has far higher viewership.
But let’s not allow the facts to get in the way of a good old blame shift.
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mouflonrouge
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+xIf it isn’t collusion with Russia it’s collusion with the evil Overlord Rupert Murdoch. Sure, can freely admit that News Corp for the most part is biased to the right. But then on the flip side you have Fairfax, ABC, SBS, Twitter, The Guardian, academia, most celebrities, The Project, news.com.au, The Conversation etc that is biased to the left. All in all I think most of the news media is tilted to the left, by virtue of the fact there are more outlets and subscribers to left wing media outlets than the right. For example The Australian and Sky are subscriber based outlets whereas the ABC and SBS is free, mainstream and has far higher viewership. But let’s not allow the facts to get in the way of a good old blame shift. Yeh I know. So far they are playing according to the script. the similarities are uncanny. They blame BREXIT on the unintelligent and great unwashed plebs. They blame Trump on Russian Collusion and interference and also on the unintelligent and great unwashed. They blame Scomentum on the evil Murdoch empire and the unintelligent and great unwashed. As if they are the intelligentsia of this world... Let's just blame everyone else apart from ourselves!
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Brilliant. Labour taxes more and have higher debt to GDP ratios. Oh and the Liberals wouldn't possibly double the debt. ......Stats show otherwise. Oh, umm, errr well the Liberals were locked into that spending due to Labour's commitments. Talk about rewriting of history.
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+xOh, umm, errr well the Liberals were locked into that spending due to Labour's commitments. That's correct. I'm sure you remember the 2014 budget savings measures were shot down by Labor and the senate. No need to pretend to be disingenuous.
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