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+xNow that the election is over the AFP is going around raiding journalists. We really are a police state. This is what the ALP advocate. Our side is more on the freedom of press aspect whereas you guys always like to de-platform.
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+xthe sky is falling, big brother gonna get you all :) This is the same old and same old. When Trump gets elected, the sky falls and it is a calamity. Same thing with ScoMo. The reality of course is that the USA is trucking along and the Australian Budget will be in the black in 2020 under current projections. The Left are in an alternative universe. First it was accusations of Russia collusion, now it is News Corp media despite them predicting an ALP victory and getting it wrong.
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+xOur Democracy is being attacked and it is dying, the Liberals getting re-elected and having no accountability for their recklessness and division will ensure that the Liberals know they are accountable for nothing. Democracy dies in darkness and the Coalition are making it pitch black. Oh no this is terrible ! We must ban news Corp stop them from disseminating lies about the Labor party. We must also arrest and detain Christians in order to stop them persecuting homosexuals and non binaries with their vile hate speech! As for Liberals, they are all fascists at heart, unless they repent and convert to socialism they must be executed in order to protect vulnerable minorities. This is the only way to ensure that democracy and free speech is preserved!
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+x+x+x+xHow can the AFP be at arms length from the Government lol? These raids are deeply concerning, especially given the timeliness of them and the broad scope of the warrant. -PB The fact that the warrant gave the AFP the ability to "delete or modify" content on the ABC's computers is particularly chilling. Does that not give them the power for them to directly tamper with/fabricate 'evidence'? Or News lol? How longs the warrant last? For what scope? Which fucking judge approved that? -PB The judge had to, we have no warrant provisions in our constitution unlike America, the legislation brought in late in the last Parliament enabled this to happen.
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+x+xOur Democracy is being attacked and it is dying, the Liberals getting re-elected and having no accountability for their recklessness and division will ensure that the Liberals know they are accountable for nothing. Democracy dies in darkness and the Coalition are making it pitch black. Oh no this is terrible ! We must ban news Corp stop them from disseminating lies about the Labor party. We must also arrest and detain Christians in order to stop them persecuting homosexuals and non binaries with their vile hate speech! As for Liberals, they are all fascists at heart, unless they repent and convert to socialism they must be executed in order to protect vulnerable minorities. This is the only way to ensure that democracy and free speech is preserved! Literally no one has said that ever lol.
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+x+x+x+x+xHow can the AFP be at arms length from the Government lol? These raids are deeply concerning, especially given the timeliness of them and the broad scope of the warrant. -PB The fact that the warrant gave the AFP the ability to "delete or modify" content on the ABC's computers is particularly chilling. Does that not give them the power for them to directly tamper with/fabricate 'evidence'? Or News lol? How longs the warrant last? For what scope? Which fucking judge approved that? -PB The judge had to, we have no warrant provisions in our constitution unlike America, the legislation brought in late in the last Parliament enabled this to happen. The AFP do have discretion not to ask for the warrant in the first place though.
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+x+x the sky is falling, big brother gonna get you all :) Clearly know nothing about QLDs history and police I take it? -PB lolz, its nothing compared to Joh/Hinze days, then you knew sweet FA what was going on behind the scenes, today, phhht.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. 1. "Give tax cuts to the wealthy", You mean anyone who isn't a welfare recipient? Shortens Top end of Town. You do know that half the nations workers don't pay tax? So how can you give them a "tax cut"? 2. You don't understand how franking credits worked and you are exactly the person Shorten sought to exploit because of your financial illeteracy on the subject. You swallowed his lies and misinformation that it was a GIFT. Thats how politics of envy and division work. 3. Ah the Shorten and Bowen mantra : This will only affect a small number of people... who will not vote for us anyway Labor had zero plans to grow the pie. I'll Take of off THEM and Ill give it to YOU if you vote for me. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution.
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+x+x+x the sky is falling, big brother gonna get you all :) Clearly know nothing about QLDs history and police I take it? -PB lolz, its nothing compared to Joh/Hinze days, then you knew sweet FA what was going on behind the scenes, today, phhht. My point was that Police are not infallible. -PB
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+xVoters didn’t reject Labor because of tax cuts and financial self interest, they rejected Labor because their ideals sucked and were based on class division, raiding peoples incomes and destabilising the economy through lavish spending commitments and fiscal mismanagement. Put simply Labor can’t manage money and this was the bill Australia couldn’t afford. Did... did you literally copy paste what Rita said on Sky lol? -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. 1. "Give tax cuts to the wealthy", You mean anyone who isn't a welfare recipient? Shortens Top end of Town. You do know that half the nations workers don't pay tax? So how can you give them a "tax cut"? 2. You don't understand how franking credits worked and you are exactly the person Shorten sought to exploit because of your financial illeteracy on the subject. You swallowed his lies and misinformation that it was a GIFT. Thats how politics of envy and division work.
3. Ah the Shorten and Bowen mantra : This will only affect a small number of people... who will not vote for us anyway Labor had zero plans to grow the pie. I'll Take of off THEM and Ill give it to YOU if you vote for me. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution. 1. No I mean corporations and people in the top income tax bracket. Labor also had income tax cuts in its election promises but were more targeted. 2. :laugh: You got me /s. Giving someone money when they paid no income tax when the rest of us can only use franking credits to reduce our tax liability to zero is not a GIFT. The Liberals, apart from tax cuts had no plans AT ALL.
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+x+x+x+x the sky is falling, big brother gonna get you all :) Clearly know nothing about QLDs history and police I take it? -PB lolz, its nothing compared to Joh/Hinze days, then you knew sweet FA what was going on behind the scenes, today, phhht. My point was that Police are not infallible. -PB Oh ok, hey no one or body is agreed.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. 1. "Give tax cuts to the wealthy", You mean anyone who isn't a welfare recipient? Shortens Top end of Town. You do know that half the nations workers don't pay tax? So how can you give them a "tax cut"? 2. You don't understand how franking credits worked and you are exactly the person Shorten sought to exploit because of your financial illeteracy on the subject. You swallowed his lies and misinformation that it was a GIFT. Thats how politics of envy and division work. 3. Ah the Shorten and Bowen mantra : This will only affect a small number of people... who will not vote for us anyway Labor had zero plans to grow the pie. I'll Take of off THEM and Ill give it to YOU if you vote for me. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution. Sky after dark distilled into comment form.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. 1. "Give tax cuts to the wealthy", You mean anyone who isn't a welfare recipient? Shortens Top end of Town. You do know that half the nations workers don't pay tax? So how can you give them a "tax cut"? 2. You don't understand how franking credits worked and you are exactly the person Shorten sought to exploit because of your financial illeteracy on the subject. You swallowed his lies and misinformation that it was a GIFT. Thats how politics of envy and division work. 3. Ah the Shorten and Bowen mantra : This will only affect a small number of people... who will not vote for us anyway Labor had zero plans to grow the pie. I'll Take of off THEM and Ill give it to YOU if you vote for me. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution. This is Sky after dark distilled into single comment. Yup hahah -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. 1. "Give tax cuts to the wealthy", You mean anyone who isn't a welfare recipient? Shortens Top end of Town. You do know that half the nations workers don't pay tax? So how can you give them a "tax cut"? 2. You don't understand how franking credits worked and you are exactly the person Shorten sought to exploit because of your financial illeteracy on the subject. You swallowed his lies and misinformation that it was a GIFT. Thats how politics of envy and division work. 3. Ah the Shorten and Bowen mantra : This will only affect a small number of people... who will not vote for us anyway Labor had zero plans to grow the pie. I'll Take of off THEM and Ill give it to YOU if you vote for me. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution. This is Sky after dark distilled into single comment. Yup hahah -PB I'm still laughing at the claim that I don't understand franking credits and that I'm financially illiterate. Made my day :laugh:
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. 1. "Give tax cuts to the wealthy", You mean anyone who isn't a welfare recipient? Shortens Top end of Town. You do know that half the nations workers don't pay tax? So how can you give them a "tax cut"? 2. You don't understand how franking credits worked and you are exactly the person Shorten sought to exploit because of your financial illeteracy on the subject. You swallowed his lies and misinformation that it was a GIFT. Thats how politics of envy and division work.
3. Ah the Shorten and Bowen mantra : This will only affect a small number of people... who will not vote for us anyway Labor had zero plans to grow the pie. I'll Take of off THEM and Ill give it to YOU if you vote for me. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution. 1. No I mean corporations and people in the top income tax bracket. Labor also had income tax cuts in its election promises but were more targeted. 2. :laugh: You got me /s. Giving someone money when they paid no income tax when the rest of us can only use franking credits to reduce our tax liability to zero is not a GIFT. The Liberals, apart from tax cuts had no plans AT ALL. When people at the bottom tax brackets get a tax cut (which they do) then so do the top brackets as well, because that is how the tiered system works. As for Corporations, we do need to stay competitive otherwise we are in deep shit. Corporations are a lot more mobile and if there is a big difference in taxation, they are going to flee. There are countries with a 10% Corporation Tax rate and because of it they have an influx of investment and ZERO unemployment and a health system and education system to envy.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "Socialism is when the government does stuff, the more stuff it does, the more socialister it is" - Karl Marx
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "Socialism is when the government does stuff, the more stuff it does, the more socialister it is" - Karl Marx Yes, and we have seen all the socialist stuff all these socialist countries did - equal poverty for all and asunder.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "Socialism is when the government does stuff, the more stuff it does, the more socialister it is" - Karl Marx Yes, and we have seen all the socialist stuff all these socialist countries did - equal poverty for all and asunder. Yeah because those social democracies like Denmark, Sweden and Norway are full of poverty...
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There's literally no point responding to anything Aikhme says Sub, don't be baited. He doles out his own views on economics despite thinking that the RBA controls exchange rates. He's either a troll or so stupid that there's no point bothering to engage with him.
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+xThere's literally no point responding to anything Aikhme says Sub, don't be baited. He doles out his own views on economics despite thinking that the RBA controls exchange rates. He's either a troll or so stupid that there's no point bothering to engage with him. He's both. I'm still miffed how he hasnt got himself banned again. Since he usually goes on a personal attacking spree after a while
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. 1. "Give tax cuts to the wealthy", You mean anyone who isn't a welfare recipient? Shortens Top end of Town. You do know that half the nations workers don't pay tax? So how can you give them a "tax cut"? 2. You don't understand how franking credits worked and you are exactly the person Shorten sought to exploit because of your financial illeteracy on the subject. You swallowed his lies and misinformation that it was a GIFT. Thats how politics of envy and division work.
3. Ah the Shorten and Bowen mantra : This will only affect a small number of people... who will not vote for us anyway Labor had zero plans to grow the pie. I'll Take of off THEM and Ill give it to YOU if you vote for me. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution. 1. No I mean corporations and people in the top income tax bracket. Labor also had income tax cuts in its election promises but were more targeted. 2. :laugh: You got me /s. Giving someone money when they paid no income tax when the rest of us can only use franking credits to reduce our tax liability to zero is not a GIFT. The Liberals, apart from tax cuts had no plans AT ALL. 2. :laugh: Clearly you have NFI what franking credits are, who's money the dividend is, what company tax is, what the purpose of the 30% tax company tax rate is, what the tax free threshold is, and how all that interacts with the tax free nature of super in the draw down phase- which ultimately is who Shorten was attacking, specifically those who were self-funded. The very people that Keating wanted to have more of when he devised Australia's super scheme. FYI a company is a separate legal entity that pays tax on profits that remain within the company structure for example to use to fund things for company use like R and D, plant and equipment, expansion of the business. Profits that are distributed as dividends to the legal owners of the company the shareholders are taxed initially at 30% but this is a type of witholding tax because it is impossible for the company to know what each shareholders marginal tax rate will be. If it turns the marginal rate is more than the tax already paid, the shareholder pays an *additional* amount. If the marginal rate is less, they get a refund of the difference. If the marghinal rate is zero, no tax was due and they get it all back. So here it is in black and white straight from Treasury: "Company income tax has two basic roles: as a withholding tax on" income earned by Australian residents, through shares in a resident (Australian) company; http://taxreview.treasury.gov.au/content/Paper.aspx?doc=html/publications/papers/report/section_8-03.htm Consequently the ATO "attributes" the company tax to the shareholders: https://www.ato.gov.au/Print-publications/You-and-your-shares-2018/?page=4
The shareholders declare the full pre-company tax dividend as their income on their tax return. That's because it is THEIR money, not the company's and THEY not the company are liable to pay tax.
Australian shareholders are private citizens and they pay tax as per the PAYG tax scales: https://www.ato.gov.au/Rates/Individual-income-tax-rates/ These tax scales include a tax free threshold. Any income under that threshold attracts no tax. This includes "income earned by Australian residents, through shares in a resident (Australian) company". Some of these people are self=funded retirees with money outside of super investing for something better than the 2% bank deposit returns.
Shorten and Bowen wanted to make this group pay tax at 30%, higher than the vast majority of Australians.
So stop repeating the claim they received a "gift. They paid tax, when none was due. They are getting it back because none was due.
What Shorten and Labor hate is those who did the right thing and became self-funded in their old age. The politics of envy, division, under-pinned by lies and misinformation exploiting the financial ililteracy of people, like you for example.
"Don't like it, Don't vote for us".. Thanks for the advice Chris. We didn't. Enjoy the next 3 and likely 6 years in opposition. 12 years in all. Making it 23 out of the last 29 years. Yay Labor.
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is even higher +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "Socialism is when the government does stuff, the more stuff it does, the more socialister it is" - Karl Marx Yes, and we have seen all the socialist stuff all these socialist countries did - equal poverty for all and asunder. Yeah because those social democracies like Denmark, Sweden and Norway are full of poverty... Nah mate they're not. But their debt to GDP is no better than ours and is even higher, and guess what their GST is 20% OR HIGHER. Australia is the world home of the leaner, that expects, everything for nothing, paid by someone else of course with Shorten and Bowen trying to tap in to that market for votes. " Vote for me and I'll give you free things that I've stolen off someone else", because : "Rising income inequality" and all that ...social inequity... when there is actually none.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-26/inequality-levels-stable-but-we-must-improve-in-key-areas/9678982
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. 1. "Give tax cuts to the wealthy", You mean anyone who isn't a welfare recipient? Shortens Top end of Town. You do know that half the nations workers don't pay tax? So how can you give them a "tax cut"? 2. You don't understand how franking credits worked and you are exactly the person Shorten sought to exploit because of your financial illeteracy on the subject. You swallowed his lies and misinformation that it was a GIFT. Thats how politics of envy and division work. 3. Ah the Shorten and Bowen mantra : This will only affect a small number of people... who will not vote for us anyway Labor had zero plans to grow the pie. I'll Take of off THEM and Ill give it to YOU if you vote for me. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution. This is Sky after dark distilled into single comment. Yup hahah -PB I'm still laughing at the claim that I don't understand franking credits and that I'm financially illiterate. Made my day :laugh: Oh an accountant....you know more than the ATO and Treasury..right. Read the submission on Franking credits made by one of the accounting professional bodies then ansd waht thye thought of Labors proposals. I have it somewhere I'll link when I find it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "Socialism is when the government does stuff, the more stuff it does, the more socialister it is" - Karl Marx If Marx were alive today he would not recognize the Labor party of 2019. He would not be fooled one bit by the inner city middle class hipsters dressed in workers party drag. His likely advice would be "Get a real job and ditch the identity politics schtick"
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. 1. "Give tax cuts to the wealthy", You mean anyone who isn't a welfare recipient? Shortens Top end of Town. You do know that half the nations workers don't pay tax? So how can you give them a "tax cut"? 2. You don't understand how franking credits worked and you are exactly the person Shorten sought to exploit because of your financial illeteracy on the subject. You swallowed his lies and misinformation that it was a GIFT. Thats how politics of envy and division work.
3. Ah the Shorten and Bowen mantra : This will only affect a small number of people... who will not vote for us anyway Labor had zero plans to grow the pie. I'll Take of off THEM and Ill give it to YOU if you vote for me. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution. 1. No I mean corporations and people in the top income tax bracket. Labor also had income tax cuts in its election promises but were more targeted. 2. :laugh: You got me /s. Giving someone money when they paid no income tax when the rest of us can only use franking credits to reduce our tax liability to zero is not a GIFT. The Liberals, apart from tax cuts had no plans AT ALL. 2. :laugh: Clearly you have NFI what franking credits are, who's money the dividend is, what company tax is, what the purpose of the 30% tax company tax rate is, what the tax free threshold is, and how all that interacts with the tax free nature of super in the draw down phase- which ultimately is who Shorten was attacking, specifically those who were self-funded. The very people that Keating wanted to have more of when he devised Australia's super scheme. FYI a company is a separate legal entity that pays tax on profits that remain within the company structure for example to use to fund things for company use like R and D, plant and equipment, expansion of the business. Profits that are distributed as dividends to the legal owners of the company the shareholders are taxed initially at 30% but this is a type of witholding tax because it is impossible for the company to know what each shareholders marginal tax rate will be. If it turns the marginal rate is more than the tax already paid, the shareholder pays an *additional* amount. If the marginal rate is less, they get a refund of the difference. If the marghinal rate is zero, no tax was due and they get it all back. So here it is in black and white straight from Treasury: "Company income tax has two basic roles: as a withholding tax on" income earned by Australian residents, through shares in a resident (Australian) company; http://taxreview.treasury.gov.au/content/Paper.aspx?doc=html/publications/papers/report/section_8-03.htm Consequently the ATO "attributes" the company tax to the shareholders: https://www.ato.gov.au/Print-publications/You-and-your-shares-2018/?page=4
The shareholders declare the full pre-company tax dividend as their income on their tax return. That's because it is THEIR money, not the company's and THEY not the company are liable to pay tax.
Australian shareholders are private citizens and they pay tax as per the PAYG tax scales: https://www.ato.gov.au/Rates/Individual-income-tax-rates/ These tax scales include a tax free threshold. Any income under that threshold attracts no tax. This includes "income earned by Australian residents, through shares in a resident (Australian) company". Some of these people are self=funded retirees with money outside of super investing for something better than the 2% bank deposit returns.
Shorten and Bowen wanted to make this group pay tax at 30%, higher than the vast majority of Australians.
So stop repeating the claim they received a "gift. They paid tax, when none was due. They are getting it back because none was due.
What Shorten and Labor hate is those who did the right thing and became self-funded in their old age. The politics of envy, division, under-pinned by lies and misinformation exploiting the financial ililteracy of people, like you for example.
"Don't like it, Don't vote for us".. Thanks for the advice Chris. We didn't. Enjoy the next 3 and likely 6 years in opposition. 12 years in all. Making it 23 out of the last 29 years. Yay Labor. All you've done is use the definition as it currently is (thanks to the gift that Howard gave to a significant voting block. Yay for profligacy) rather than how it was intended to be.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "Socialism is when the government does stuff, the more stuff it does, the more socialister it is" - Karl Marx If Marx were alive today he would not recognize the Labor party of 2019. He would not be fooled one bit by the inner city middle class hipsters dressed in workers party drag. His likely advice would be "Get a real job and ditch the identity politics schtick" Lmao bruh you need to stop watching the Jordan Peterson videos and start living in the real world. You're a caricature.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Replace Fox News with Sky News & Murdoch Papers and you've pretty much got Australia And this is why their side continues to lose. Yet they lack the self-awareness to realise that the reason for this stares at them in the face every time they look in the mirror, so instead they think that by doubling down on name-calling and trying to shut down opposing views as "hate speech", that they can win the war of ideas. I won't lose a wink of sleep if they spend the next 50 years making the same mistakes. The biggest irony will be seeing the kids of today growing up to adopt more conservative/ right-leaning ideologies to rebel against their parents... That couldn’t be more wrong. As a young adult, I can assure you that kids these days are Overwhelming progressive. I literally only know one young adult who is conservative. Hence why I said growing up. A majority of those growing up are progressive. Once you start working and paying Bills, you start living the real world. I contest this as someone aspiring to own an investment property soon and "lives in the real world" (as the bills in my mailbox will attest) in the over $90k earning bracket that would objectively be financially better off under the Libs (not that they'll get their policies through by the financial new year because they put the election so far back) but my vote went with my ideals, not my wallet. I'm sure I'm not the only one who put their personal financial interests ahead of their ideals when casting their vote. After all, I'm sure not everyone who voted or preferenced the Libs own a coal mNot eveine or media empire lol Its simplistic and arrogant thinking like this that cost Labor the election. As if your own "ideals" are in any way "superior" or more virtuous to anybody else's ideals who didn't vote Labor Shorten and Bowen were the two most divisive political figures in living memory. Theirs would not have been a government that unites but a government that divides: young against old, low income earner against middle income earner, home owner against renter, pensioner against self-funded retiree, employer against worker. Voters rejected the virtue signalling of the Left, the hypocrisy of their intolerance to any contrary voice, the relentless attack on free speech, their social engineering, their attack on aspiration, their politics of envy and class division. the shameless lies and misinformation by Shorten and Bowen that sought to exploit the financial illiteracy of the general populous, and the demonizing of those who pay the vast bulk of everything as the Top End of Town. Offering no middle ground because they "had a moral mandate" theirs would have been a government that sought to fuck over anyone who stood in their way Australia dodged a bullet. I don't think Pala is suggesting people voting for their ideals is wrong. It's completely reasonable. Of course he thinks his ideals are superior and virtuous otherwise why would he have them over others in this "marketplace of ideas"? You're pretty naive if you think the LNP aren't dividing the community. They're actually the ones putting in policies in place to go after welfare recipients, attack worker rights and give tax cuts to the wealthy. I'll agree that some middle ground on franking credits policy might have helped them with self-funded retirees. These people are getting a benefit they really should never have gotten but the voting bloc is too big. It's a pity that some pretty modest reforms that wouldn't have affected a small number of people for the benefit of many is considered ambitious and can be attacked so easily. People told Shorten where to go with his communist re-distribution.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "Socialism is when the government does stuff, the more stuff it does, the more socialister it is" - Karl Marx If Marx were alive today he would not recognize the Labor party of 2019. He would not be fooled one bit by the inner city middle class hipsters dressed in workers party drag. His likely advice would be "Get a real job and ditch the identity politics schtick" Lmao bruh you need to stop watching the Jordan Peterson videos and start living in the real world. You're a caricature. Hahaha brilliant insight. It's almost like he tries to hit as many of his main talking points or catchphrases every time he post.
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