The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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Munrubenmuz - 4 Jun 2019 11:16 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howard

Federal Treasurer (1977–83)

The economic crises of the early 1980s brought Howard into conflict with the economically conservative Fraser. As the economy headed towards the worst recession since the 1930s, Keynesian Fraser pushed an expansionary fiscal position much to Howard's and Treasury's horror. With his authority as treasurer being flouted, Howard considered resigning in July 1982, but, after discussions with his wife and senior advisor John Hewson, he decided to "tough it out".[25] The 1982 wages explosion—wages rose 16 per cent across the country—resulted in stagflation; unemployment touched double-digits and inflation peaked at 12.5% (official interest rates peaked at 21%).[31]

April 1982. 21.4%
https://web.archive.org/web/20070729185829/http://www.rba.gov.au/Statistics/Bulletin/F01hist.xls

Happy to accept your apology whenever you deem it appropriate.

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Muz.

Here's a link to the latest version of that spreadsheet from the RBA, same data as in your link but with 12 more years of data.
https://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/tables/xls/f01hist.xls


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> Aikhme doesn't know how to open an excel file

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mcjules - 4 Jun 2019 11:25 PM
Munrubenmuz - 4 Jun 2019 11:16 PM

Here's a link to the latest version of that spreadsheet from the RBA, same data as in your link but with 12 more years of data.
https://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/tables/xls/f01hist.xls

I still want a source not some web archive nonsense!

If you actually look into it, the RBA was not setting interest rates in Australia because the AUD wasn't floated at the time. It was floated by Keating.

So it had nothing at all to do with Howard or Fraser.

https://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/tables/xls/f13hist.xls

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Anyway, so this is why 3 word slogans, fear campaigns and having no policy platform work in elections.


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I've been flat out campaigning for months for this federal election.

I don't usually talk about it on forums, because  my day to day life involves politics nearly every day - door knocking, holding  stalls at shopping centres and shows, leafletting and phone banking. These activities supposedly effect people's voting behaviours, according to evidence based research.

More passive activities are demonstrations, wobble boarding, marches and rallies, and, letter boxing.

I've  attended to 5 -6 political actions in a week in recent times! A few years ago I did about 6 demos in a good year.

The fed Lib and state govts have united a massive number of activists in the union movement, civil liberties  and environment. ATM the union movement is the most dynamic!

We lost the election, but the marginal seat we campaigned in, Lyons, returned Labor.

Our other two Southern Tas electorates are two of the most left leaning/progressive in Aus.





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433 - 4 Jun 2019 11:26 PM
> Aikhme doesn't know how to open an excel file

It's mind boggling.  Actual sources and not man enough to apologise.

I mean I'm not going to carry on about the way him or Rusty would forever and and day because at the time there was a lot of shit going down that was outside the control of whoever was in power at the time. 

But it just goes to show what a disingenuous and dishonest poster you're dealing with when in the face of cold hard evidence he can just look blithely at you and say 'don't know what you're talking about'.

Reminds me of Trump.  'You called Meghan nasty" 

'What? Fake news, MSM beatup"

"There's literally a recording of you saying it"

"Never happened".

I think Mouflon lives in a Trump, KellyAnne Conway alternative facts universe.



PS:  John Howard = Highest rates EVA!!


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mouflonrouge - 4 Jun 2019 11:28 PM
mcjules - 4 Jun 2019 11:25 PM

If you actually look into it, the RBA was not setting interest rates in Australia because the AUD wasn't floated at the time. 

Now I know why conservative economics appeals to you, you genuinely have absolutely zero idea as to how any of it works.
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433 - 4 Jun 2019 11:41 PM
mouflonrouge - 4 Jun 2019 11:28 PM

Now I know why conservative economics appeals to you, you genuinely have absolutely zero idea as to how any of it works.

The best bit is 'had nothing to do with Fraser/Howard' (AND 21.4% interest rates) unless of course it was the Keating recession (18% interest rates) and then it had 'everything to do with Keating'.

Reminds me of climate change deniers who don't trust the science unless they're quoting the science that backs up their position.  Then the science is rock solid.  That's exactly what's going on here.




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Now that the election is over the AFP is going around raiding journalists. We really are a police state.

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mcjules - 5 Jun 2019 11:33 AM
Now that the election is over the AFP is going around raiding journalists. We really are a police state.

Yeah that's dodgy af, wonder how News Corp and go will go with their given team raiding their own employees.

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paulbagzFC - 5 Jun 2019 11:35 AM
mcjules - 5 Jun 2019 11:33 AM

Yeah that's dodgy af, wonder how News Corp and go will go with their given team raiding their own employees.

-PB

News Corp journo yesterday, the ABC today, both about stories that I believe the people have the right to know. 

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Ofcourse its right having a right to know but if its about the disclosure of information let the feds investigate no matter who.


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Remember that evil witch Michaelia Cash sicced the AFP onto the unions so they're not above doing this stuff.   
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ErogenousZone - 5 Jun 2019 12:22 PM
Remember that evil witch Michaelia Cash sicced the AFP onto the unions so they're not above doing this stuff.   

And nothing ever came of that lol

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LFC. - 5 Jun 2019 12:22 PM
Ofcourse its right having a right to know but if its about the disclosure of information let the feds investigate no matter who.

So how are we supposed to know if anyone that discloses information is going to be pursued and jailed?

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paulbagzFC - 5 Jun 2019 12:28 PM
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And nothing ever came of that lol

-PB

Another awful thing she did was refuse to give evidence to the AFP over her own potential misconduct. While legal, it's an unethical as a minister. 

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mcjules - 5 Jun 2019 12:39 PM
LFC. - 5 Jun 2019 12:22 PM

So how are we supposed to know if anyone that discloses information is going to be pursued and jailed?

in her case its a year old article so its been in the open compared to others that obviously have been cut off.
In other past or future case's what do you want ? we are never going to know the real facts of disclosed information reported.
Its not right but the media will always report/let out of the bag if someone is being pursued.
Someone let out Smethurst' case.
As much as it may frustrate you you are never going to know what really goes on behind the AFP and similar.
Its all a conspiracy :)


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LFC. - 5 Jun 2019 2:39 PM
mcjules - 5 Jun 2019 12:39 PM

in her case its a year old article so its been in the open compared to others that obviously have been cut off.
In other past or future case's what do you want ? we are never going to know the real facts of disclosed information reported.
Its not right but the media will always report/let out of the bag if someone is being pursued.
Someone let out Smethurst' case.
As much as it may frustrate you you are never going to know what really goes on behind the AFP and similar.
Its all a conspiracy :)

Sorry I don't understand your point. I might just be tired though.

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ok still not clear so

in her case its a year old article so its been in the open compared to others that obviously have been cut off.
Are you saying there's more stuff that we don't know? Yes I agree, not sure the point though. They're trying to find out who leaked the info to put them behind bars for a very long time.

In other past or future case's what do you want ? we are never going to know the real facts of disclosed information reported.
I want information that is in the public interest such as the fact that a government agency wants the power to spy on the average citizen (smetthurst case) or that our troops killed unarmed civilians in Afghanistan (ABC case), to be able to be reported on and the whistleblowers to be protected. Are you suggesting that this info isn't "real facts"?

Its not right but the media will always report/let out of the bag if someone is being pursued.
I disagree, the media regularly withhold reporting on information in the interest of the community (i.e. trying to arrest a suspect). Neither of these cases are anything to do with that though so I don't know what your point is.

Someone let out Smethurst' case.
If by "let out" you mean gave the info to smethurst then yes and that person should be protected.

As much as it may frustrate you you are never going to know what really goes on behind the AFP and similar.
I don't need to know everything that goes on in the AFP or similar, somethings for national security reasons should rightly be kept secret to either protect vulnerable people. There are other things though that are in the public interest and the media should be able to report on it. The AFP and other government organisations should be there to serve the community, not their own or the people in power's interests.


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Our Democracy is being attacked and it is dying, the Liberals getting re-elected and having no accountability for their recklessness and division will ensure that the Liberals know they are accountable for nothing.

Democracy dies in darkness and the Coalition are making it pitch black.

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Woooo we just entered a recession on a per capita basis.

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How can the AFP be at arms length from the Government lol?

These raids are deeply concerning, especially given the timeliness of them and the broad scope of the warrant.

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paulbagzFC - 5 Jun 2019 11:06 PM
Woooo we just entered a recession on a per capita basis.

-PB

But we're going to be "back in black" :Whistling:

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mcjules - 6 Jun 2019 10:22 AM
paulbagzFC - 5 Jun 2019 11:06 PM

But we're going to be "back in black" :Whistling:

Red is the new black.
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paulbagzFC - 6 Jun 2019 9:30 AM
How can the AFP be at arms length from the Government lol?

These raids are deeply concerning, especially given the timeliness of them and the broad scope of the warrant.

-PB

The fact that the warrant gave the AFP the ability to "delete or modify" content on the ABC's computers is particularly chilling.

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mcjules - 6 Jun 2019 1:12 PM
paulbagzFC - 6 Jun 2019 9:30 AM

The fact that the warrant gave the AFP the ability to "delete or modify" content on the ABC's computers is particularly chilling.

Does that not give them the power for them to directly tamper with/fabricate 'evidence'? 



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jlm8695 - 6 Jun 2019 1:21 PM
mcjules - 6 Jun 2019 1:12 PM

Does that not give them the power for them to directly tamper with/fabricate 'evidence'? 



Or News lol?

How longs the warrant last? For what scope?

Which fucking judge approved that?

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LFC. - 6 Jun 2019 3:07 PM
the sky is falling, big brother gonna get you all :)

Yep the police and government are infallible and not made up of many imperfect humans. Why even have laws for them? Let them do whatever they want. History tells us everything should be fine if we let that happen.

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LFC. - 6 Jun 2019 3:07 PM
 the sky is falling, big brother gonna get you all :)

Clearly know nothing about QLDs history and police I take it?

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