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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't get it
Labour are promising all these things for women (such as targeting unequal pay and domestic violence) but then when it comes to sport being a woman is a choice. How can you address social issues regarding women if you can't even acknowledge what a woman is? Effectively everything they are budgeting for is based on people's own categorisation and sense of self, and they aren't really addressing any social problems. I wonder if we can also declare ourselves as indigenous Australians to access another bucket of money we aren't entitled to either I like the quote above about 50/50 women in parliament. That could have been accomplished a long time ago by simply asking half of politicians to change their preferred pronouns Women's rights and pro-gender are opposites. Anybody pushing both is just pandering to popular opinion I think the majority get it, hence the change in vote. Not going to get everyone, but hopefully enough independents to get decent reforms in. This issue, like COVID, is just the majority of people not knowing enough to have an informed opinion so they trust those in charge to do the right thing by them Government: Women are disadvantaged in society so we are going to target specific projects to help them get an equal footing Man: I'm a women Government: Lol, sure. Here's the money Woman: What about my rights? Government: Shut up transphobe Geez you have a bug up your arse about this. No one except Sky after dark fuckheads and blokes like you even care. Of course people care about it. The government literally had election promises and allocated funding around it Government: We're going to invest money in supporting women who have proven social disadvantages in a bid to solve real world problems Media: What's a woman? Government: ... Who identifies as a woman only upsets people over 65, MRA's and Sky after dark hosts. The average person doesn't give much of a shit. On a list of pressing priorities some former bloke competing against a girls in the swimming is about 99th. But keep raging. BTW Tell me again how well Catherine Deves did? Of course the average person doesnt give a shit. Thats the whole point I'm struggling then to see what your point is? Women don't have the same opportunities as men - average person doesnt give a shit Women spend decades fighting for rights such as equal pay in sport Goverments (and society) gradually takes notice and invests in womens sport Women finally get equal pay in some sports and finally get some opportunities Men fight for "right" to be women. Take prize money and professional spots from women - average person doesnt give a shit Sure, the average person doesnt give a shit but its a slap in the face for those who spent decades fighting for it. Imagine being a woman from a sane country and being forced to compete against men just because sports organisations want to recognise the ideological practices of the rich and ignorant So what issue was actually resolved? We have money for mens sport, and money for mens (who wouldnt otherwise qualify in their field of choice) sport. Great outcome Because I'm thick can you articulate what you actually want to see happen? Its not a case of being thick What I would like see happen: 1/ Gender, which is ideological, should have no legal standing or recognition. Sport, facilities, social funding etc... should be based on biological sex not gender 2/ For sport: Like with disability and youth, the definition of women (sex) should be clearly defined to be up to date with current ambiguities. If somebody is not 100% a biological women, then they cant claim to be in a category of disadvantage, and therefore cant compete. Whether people disagree, I'm fine with that. But at the very least the discussion should be about the small % of people with legitimate diagnosed sex disorders that put them in a real grey area. Not a biological male with a mental illness
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In Warringah, the hand-picked candidate was Katherine Deves, a woman whose crusade on trans women in sport was applauded by Scott Morrison, though he distanced himself from some of her more deranged remarks. To the extent that Morrison explicitly mentioned women during the campaign, it was often to support the defence of women’s sport, as argued by Deves and by the Tasmanian Liberal Senator Claire Chandler, whose private members bill to exclude trans women from women’s sport Morrison warmly supported. And fine: It’s perfectly reasonable to discuss these matters. But for a prime minister who promised $150m last election for the “Female Facilities And Water Safety Stream” to build much-needed change rooms for women in venues where only the blokes have showers and toilets, and then blew 80 per cent of that money on swimming pools for 11 Liberal and National electorates, the sudden conviction that the real problem for sporting women is the potential of a trans teammate is — well, a lot.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/election-2022-morrison-women-vote/101089978
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Muz
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't get it
Labour are promising all these things for women (such as targeting unequal pay and domestic violence) but then when it comes to sport being a woman is a choice. How can you address social issues regarding women if you can't even acknowledge what a woman is? Effectively everything they are budgeting for is based on people's own categorisation and sense of self, and they aren't really addressing any social problems. I wonder if we can also declare ourselves as indigenous Australians to access another bucket of money we aren't entitled to either I like the quote above about 50/50 women in parliament. That could have been accomplished a long time ago by simply asking half of politicians to change their preferred pronouns Women's rights and pro-gender are opposites. Anybody pushing both is just pandering to popular opinion I think the majority get it, hence the change in vote. Not going to get everyone, but hopefully enough independents to get decent reforms in. This issue, like COVID, is just the majority of people not knowing enough to have an informed opinion so they trust those in charge to do the right thing by them Government: Women are disadvantaged in society so we are going to target specific projects to help them get an equal footing Man: I'm a women Government: Lol, sure. Here's the money Woman: What about my rights? Government: Shut up transphobe Geez you have a bug up your arse about this. No one except Sky after dark fuckheads and blokes like you even care. Of course people care about it. The government literally had election promises and allocated funding around it Government: We're going to invest money in supporting women who have proven social disadvantages in a bid to solve real world problems Media: What's a woman? Government: ... Who identifies as a woman only upsets people over 65, MRA's and Sky after dark hosts. The average person doesn't give much of a shit. On a list of pressing priorities some former bloke competing against a girls in the swimming is about 99th. But keep raging. BTW Tell me again how well Catherine Deves did? Of course the average person doesnt give a shit. Thats the whole point I'm struggling then to see what your point is? Women don't have the same opportunities as men - average person doesnt give a shit Women spend decades fighting for rights such as equal pay in sport Goverments (and society) gradually takes notice and invests in womens sport Women finally get equal pay in some sports and finally get some opportunities Men fight for "right" to be women. Take prize money and professional spots from women - average person doesnt give a shit Sure, the average person doesnt give a shit but its a slap in the face for those who spent decades fighting for it. Imagine being a woman from a sane country and being forced to compete against men just because sports organisations want to recognise the ideological practices of the rich and ignorant So what issue was actually resolved? We have money for mens sport, and money for mens (who wouldnt otherwise qualify in their field of choice) sport. Great outcome Because I'm thick can you articulate what you actually want to see happen? Its not a case of being thick What I would like see happen: 1/ Gender, which is ideological, should have no legal standing or recognition. Sport, facilities, social funding etc... should be based on biological sex not gender 2/ For sport: Like with disability and youth, the definition of women (sex) should be clearly defined to be up to date with current ambiguities. If somebody is not 100% a biological women, then they cant claim to be in a category of disadvantage, and therefore cant compete. Whether people disagree, I'm fine with that. But at the very least the discussion should be about the small % of people with legitimate diagnosed sex disorders that put them in a real grey area. Not a biological male with a mental illness Right. Well cheers for that. Not an issue I'm across if I'm being honest. Does seem like a rather complex problem they're going to have to sort out. Will evolve over time I'd imagine.
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Muz
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Any news on how Dan Andrews and Labour were going to get punished for his Covid response? How'd that play out? Anyone?
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+xAny news on how Dan Andrews and Labour were going to get punished for his Covid response? How'd that play out? Anyone? Many are saying it was part of Joshie boy losing his seat. Was so vocal against Andrews and Victoria.
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Trigger warning: satire ahead
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Wonder what will happen to UAP now....
Their only objectives have completely failed - no seats and no liberal government.
With that utter moron Craig Kelly gone, no more covid restrictions, zero influence - what's the point of spunking more money? Unless they concentrate at state level at frustrated people in the far suburbs...but largely pointless for their ultimate aims - making Clive Palmer money.
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Have to laugh at Sky news. The after dark clowns are losing their collective minds. (Rowan Dean and Paul Murray. Only watch them during ad breaks on other channels. 3 minutes at a time is more than enough.) I find it hard to believe Rowan Dean is actually like that. Surely he's a RWNJ parody like Stephen Colbert used to be on the Jon Stewart show? Laughably they're calling for the Liberal party to go even harder to the right which would be understandable if they bled votes to One Nation or the UAP but that's not what happened at all. Both major parties primary votes went down and they didn't head over to the RWNJs. It's clear the average punter wanted change and was more than happy to stick it up the majors by voting Greens, Independents and Teal. Any clown on the LNP side thinking they need to go even more hard core conservative will get a hearty thank you from the Labour government.
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+xHave to laugh at Sky news. The after dark clowns are losing their collective minds. (Rowan Dean and Paul Murray. Only watch them during ad breaks on other channels. 3 minutes at a time is more than enough.) I find it hard to believe Rowan Dean is actually like that. Surely he's a RWNJ parody like Stephen Colbert used to be on the Jon Stewart show? Laughably they're calling for the Liberal party to go even harder to the right which would be understandable if they bled votes to One Nation or the UAP but that's not what happened at all. Both major parties primary votes went down and they didn't head over to the RWNJs. It's clear the average punter wanted change and was more than happy to stick it up the majors by voting Greens, Independents and Teal. Any clown on the LNP side thinking they need to go even more hard core conservative will get a hearty thank you from the Labour government. Hmmm not so fast turbo. Firstly hundreds of thousands of postal votes are still coming in and the Greens primary vote has dropped from 14% on election night to around 11.5% which is only 1% higher than last election and will probably drop further as more votes are counted. Secondly the right wing vote of one nation, UAP and Lib Dems collected about 10% of the vote, which is 4% higher than last election. But to your point, it would be a grave error for the LNP to shift right, as it does not resonate with the mood of the wider electorate. Likewise it would be a grave error to shift left, as it will bleed more vote to the right wing parties and the LNP simply cant compete with the left wing vote and on issues like climate change. The further left the Libs go the further left the other parties and teals go, like if LNP wants net zero by 2045 the others will want it by 2035, and if the Libs want it by 2030 the others will want it by 2020 (via time machine). That's just the way it works. No, LNP simply just needs to wait for the ALP to fumble the ball in regards to economic management, borders, cost of living, electricity prices, and all the other clusterfucks that will inevitably go down in the next three years.
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Sportsbet finally paid me out today for a Labour majority win. Woot!
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+xSportsbet finally paid me out today for a Labour majority win. Woot! lol. The writing was on the wall for the Liberals as soon as the odds came out. Something like 4 or 5 dollars for the win.
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+x+xSportsbet finally paid me out today for a Labour majority win. Woot! lol. The writing was on the wall for the Liberals as soon as the odds came out. Something like 4 or 5 dollars for the win. Labour went as low as $1.50. I got on at $2.10.
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It’s been nice having adults in parliament.
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all I'm seeing is the calm before the storm to hurricanes....... It will come and it will be back to normal playschool again.
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+xIt’s been nice having adults in parliament. I campaigned flat out for two months before the election - union movement, climate action pressure groups, teacher pressure groups, No Cashless Card pressure group, and the Labor Party. I've probably been campaigning for a decade. On Saturday night, May 21st on election day, I realised how stressed I had been with such a spiteful Prime Minister and a callous government bullying the most disadvantaged in our society. We've gone backwards in 9 years of the LNP Dark Ages. It was such a massive relief to eject Scotty From Marketing, and his backers - Rupert's media, the Institute of Public Affairs and the fossil fuel barons. I would also like to see the end of the two party system. It would be good if the Teal Independents and the Moderate Liberals formed a genuine Liberal Party. Then Dutton, Morrison et al, could form an authentic Australian Conservative Party in coalition with the Nationals.
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+xHave to laugh at Sky news. The after dark clowns are losing their collective minds. (Rowan Dean and Paul Murray. Only watch them during ad breaks on other channels. 3 minutes at a time is more than enough.) I find it hard to believe Rowan Dean is actually like that. Surely he's a RWNJ parody like Stephen Colbert used to be on the Jon Stewart show? Laughably they're calling for the Liberal party to go even harder to the right which would be understandable if they bled votes to One Nation or the UAP but that's not what happened at all. Both major parties primary votes went down and they didn't head over to the RWNJs. It's clear the average punter wanted change and was more than happy to stick it up the majors by voting Greens, Independents and Teal. Any clown on the LNP side thinking they need to go even more hard core conservative will get a hearty thank you from the Labour government. I don't have access to pay TV anymore, but from what I've seen posted from the likes of Andrew Bolt, Peta Credlin, Paul Murray et al, and other Rupert shock jocks, it is almost unbelievable! A short time ago I saw that this site owner, Kevin Airs, is a political journalist who writes for the Daily Mail. He just wrote an article advancing that Labor are backflipping on climate action. I think it might be more in the context of the short term power crisis, because the Just Transition is a well and truly adopted policy in the Labor Party.
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+xSportsbet finally paid me out today for a Labour majority win. Woot! I don't think I've ever known someone to bet on elections. I'm delighted HOW you won your money though!
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+xall I'm seeing is the calm before the storm to hurricanes....... It will come and it will be back to normal playschool again. From an internal Labor Party perspective and the commitment to affirmative action for female politicians, there is a massive mood for change in Federal Parliament, where alleged sex offenders, alleged rapists and alleged female harassers like Bruce Learmont, Angus Taylor, Allan Tudge and Christian Porter, have not been punished by the LNP leadership. Even Federal Labor MPs and Senators I know , are mooting the idea of an independent being Speaker in the House Of Reps. Andrew Wilkie has been suggested. He may be perfect ( voting with Labor 81% of the time), but I think Labor wants to set a positive example and appoint a female Independent speaker. Rebekkah Sharkie and Helen Haines (voting 91% of the time with the LNP) are deemed too conservative, but Zali Steggall, has voted with Labor 51% of the time. They want an experienced speaker. I'd surmise Bob Katter has voted with the LNP too much. The Teal Independents are too inexperienced in the HORs to be considered. Another speaker from left field is Liberal Bridget Archer. She is well liked, even by Greens and Labor, because she is a genuine small L Liberal. She is a moderate who has crossed the floor to vote against her party. She has far more in common with the Teal Independents and her Moderate Lib comrades, like Dave Sharma, who lost his seat to a Teal, than the hard right of the Libs and Nationals. Even a couple of Fed Labor MPs I know state Bridget is in the wrong party. She can talk too. She is a motor mouth and an eloquent public speaker. She has also been on government income support and opposes the cruel Cashless Debit Card enacted by the LNP in five electorates, and, the Robodebt debacle. Essentially, Albo leads a push for a much more respectful parliament - the antithesis of the macho boys' club that has existed.
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Well that didn't take long: https://www.theage.com.au/national/stamp-duty-reform-on-table-as-chalmers-backs-states-property-tax-talks-20220609-p5asoe.htmlLet The Taxing Begin! And you can bet your house that Land Tax will go up, up and up if and as when the government wants more money for whatever hair-brained spending they want to do because there ain't a thing you can do about it. Welcome to your Progresive Nightmare.
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Great. Bring it on.
Finally someone to drag us out the mess the worst economic managers in history put us in.
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+xGreat. Bring it on.
Finally someone to drag us out the mess the worst economic managers in history put us in. What's "great" about it? Giving the stamp duty to the vendor instead of the government, increasing house prices? Finding an additional $5000 (for starters), per year, every year, for ever? Plus your council rates? Or is it you don't own anything, so its Someone Else's Money? Don't worry your landlord will factor that in.
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You know this was proposed by Perrottet first? That commo, pinko, lefty, swine from NSW. https://www.theage.com.au/national/an-offer-from-perrottet-the-federal-treasurer-can-t-refuse-if-he-wants-to-make-us-all-richer-20220606-p5arbc.html For more than two years, Premier Dominic Perrottet has advocated swapping stamp duties for a broad-based property tax. It’s a reform with lots of benefits, yet only one Australian government – the ACT – has made the move to date. In all the other states and territories, effective rates of stamp duty have risen sharply in the past two decades.
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And yet its only with a Labor Federal government that its a serious proposition and so far exists only in a place full of pinko, lefty, communist swine like the ACT. Labor and the Greens hate private land ownership. Labor gave us Capital Gains Tax on second properties, will now give Land Tax on the family home and you can bet CGT on the family home is next on their wish list. Work all your life and have nothing to show for it as long as the State prospers.
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+xAnd yet its only with a Labor Federal government that its a serious proposition and so far exists only in a place full of pinko, lefty, communist swine like the ACT. Labor and the Greens hate private land ownership. Labor gave us Capital Gains Tax on second properties, will now give Land Tax on the family home and you can bet CGT on the family home is next on their wish list. Work all your life and have nothing to show for it as long as the State prospers. Hahaha keep raging turbo. LNP policy from the biggest, most prosperous state in the country likely to be put forward as policy by the Labour party across the Commonwealth. Your head must be spinning.
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As for taxing multiple properties owned by individuals, good. Housing, even if modest, should be a right not a privilege. For too long the government has allowed intergenerational wealth to be transferred to the few. The sooner the playing field is leveled the better. CGT and negative gearing on investment properties should be grandfathered and removed over time.
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This. Land Tax reform has always been on the agenda in NSW. Perrottet was talking about this 2 years go. The whole idea is to switch from a large stamp duty amount to an annual land tax amount. This was always acknowledged as the better system.
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Pinko communist swine lol
enzo you are combing off like a caricature, the British comic Viz has a character called ‘the daily male’, you’re sounding like him
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https://www.afr.com/politics/perrottet-i-want-to-abolish-stamp-duty-but-i-need-help-from-canberra-20220613-p5ataoNSW Premier Dominic Perrottet will raise a proposal to replace stamp duty with land tax at a meeting with the federal government on Friday, saying he wants to overhaul the tax but cannot do it without federal assistance. Look forward to the attacks on the NSW LNP by Enzo.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+xAs for taxing multiple properties owned by individuals, good. Housing, even if modest, should be a right not a privilege. For too long the government has allowed intergenerational wealth to be transferred to the few. The sooner the playing field is leveled the better. CGT and negative gearing on investment properties should be grandfathered and removed over time. The playing field is level. No-one is stopping you buying multiple properties and claiming your losses against the expenses. All you need is the money. Work for it and pay it.
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+xThis. Land Tax reform has always been on the agenda in NSW. Perrottet was talking about this 2 years go. The whole idea is to switch from a large stamp duty amount to an annual land tax amount. This was always acknowledged as the better system. The better system. How is "better"? Who is "better" for? The only reason buyers hate Stamp Duty is because of the absurd amount that its become as the State governments have allowed bracket creep as house prices soared. Stamp duty was originally payable on the most expensive properties. Now everyone pays tens of thousands. Why? Well, so they can do things like this in Victoria anyway: https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/top-victorian-public-servants-given-big-pay-increases-despite-economic-downturn-20200522-p54vna.htmland the numbers of highly paid public servants have increased hugely as well. How about the government does more with less or hell even the same?
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