Are you just asking a bunch of questions that you know the answer to, just so you can #nhr some little thing I say in reply?

Something like that.

What does #nhr mean :'(

-PB

Notorganic High Road

I made it a thing, then made it a hashtag

I'm sure that the method of arguing in this style has been around long before I started using it.

There's a neckbearded sarcastic geek rolling in his grave somewhere.

Rudd is a well-presenting snake oil salesman. Hasn't got a shred of substance behind the b/s. The man would sell his mother for a vote.

what a coincidence that he's up against the man that said he would consider selling his own arse for the independent support to seize power.

Great speech by Peter Garrett yesterday. Loved it.

Personally I'm happy to see the back of Gillard, I know Rudd is only a token PM until the next election, but he handled himself well in today's press conference IMO, really look comfortable.

Hey, press conferences is where Kevvie shines.

Hey, press conferences is where Kevvie shines.

I'm not sure you can play that card with some of the things Abbott is on record saying with regard to his family.

Who really invented the internet in Australia

June 28, 2013

Turnbull 'virtually invented the internet'

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott describes his team as very strong, particularly Malcolm Turnbull, who he says 'virtually invented the internet in this country'.

Despite what Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says, Malcolm Turnbull is not the man who "virtually invented the internet in this country". Even if it was a joke, it's a bad one and it's wrong.

Mr Abbott made the comments in a speech to his parliamentary colleagues on Friday morning. He said he had a very "strong" front bench but that there was "one person who I particularly want to mention".

"We have a strong and credible broadband policy because the man who has devised it, the man who will implement it, virtually invented the internet in this country. Thank you so much Malcolm Turnbull," he said.

How very, very wrong. It's not always easy to figure out whether Mr Abbott is joking about something or not. Tech site ZDNet reported the news straight while others said he was joking. (You can watch the video in this article and decide for yourself as to whether Mr Abbott was joking.)

Mr Abbott's comments got a laugh from his colleagues, but geeks everywhere have gotten all worked up about it, just like when they got worked up about Mr Abbott's comments that he was "no Bill Gates" or a "tech head".

"Yes, Turnbull was one of the first Australian businesspeople to appreciate the commercial potential of the internet, and made a killing out of it. But he did not virtually invent anything," wrote blog larvatusprodeo.net.

"Tony Abbott should avoid further embarrassment by not opening his mouth ever again on anything related to telecommunications. He’s had years to get it right, and he still has no clue."

"Let me clarify something for you, Mr Abbott: You might have been joking, but the joke wasn't funny. Malcolm Turnbull didn't invent squat in terms of the internet in Australia," wrote tech blog Delimiter.

"Maybe someone should stop Opposition Leader Tony Abbott from talking about internet from now until forever," wrote tech blog Gizmodo.

They're right to get worked up. If anyone can be credited with "inventing" — or for a better word "bringing" — the internet to Australia it is Geoff Huston and his colleagues. Mr Huston is one of the founders of the Australian Academic Research Network (AARNET), and now the chief scientist at the Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC).

Others such as Robert Elz at the University of Melbourne, Alan Coulter at the University of Queensland and Robin Erskine at ANU were also pioneers of the internet in Australia.

Under AARNET, Mr Huston and his colleagues connected Australian universities to each other and other universities in other countries - well before Opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull got involved. They then helped private companies such as Internode get in on the action and provide a service to ordinary Australians.

To make matters more awkward for Mr Abbott, Mr Huston is one of the experts who dubbed the Opposition's NBN plan a "lemon".

"... Quite frankly, 25Mbps in 10 years' time – that speed is going to look like what a [dial-up] modem looks like to us today. Too little, too slow, too backwards," Mr Huston told me in April.

According to Mr Huston, it was the night of June 23, 1989 when Robert Elz of the University of Melbourne and Torben Nielsen of the University of Hawaii completed the connection work that brought the internet to Australia. It was a 56 Kbps satellite circuit and the Australian end used a Proteon P4100 router.

The only involvement Malcolm Turnbull had with the internet in Australia was being one of the directors and key investors in internet service provider OzEmail through the 1990s. He was later its chairman. Even then, as pointed out by tech blog Delimiter, he was primarily involved in its financial management. In no way did he "invent" the internet in Australia. In fact those who truly "invented" the internet are in the US.

You could say Malcom Turnbull helped bring the internet to ordinary Australians with his investment in OzEmail. But he did not - I repeat - did not invent it in Australia.

If Mr Abbott is interested in who really brought the internet to Australia he should read the very good e-book "AARNet: 20 Years of the Internet in Australia 1989–2009" by journalist Glenda Korporaal.

Lots of people like to claim they were involved with inventing the internet. Malcolm Turnbull is not one of them.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/who-really-invented-the-internet-in-australia-20130628-2p1xy.html#ixzz2XVPsEeSs

Tsk, tsk Abbott, shame on you using humour to discuss something as serious as the internet.

Let's go back to Conroy's internet views, shall we? Now he was serious.

:lol: There wasn't a skerrick of humour to his tone.

To be honest i don't trust either of the parties with the internet

If Labor win in 10 years 93% of the country will have an available speed of 1000/400 FTTP, with the other 7% covered by (right now) 25/5 wireless or satellite, although wireless speeds are likely to improve to 100/20 by then.

Under Coalition... your minimum is whatever you have now. If you have optus or foxtel cable, whatever the coalition does won't help you at all.

Labor have really done a poor job of exposing the Libs on this.

Latest poll is 52 - 48 in Libs favour two party preferred.
Greens could be the 'casting vote' again :cool:

Abbott losing this would be incredible.

They'll boot Rudd again after they've won the election any way :lol:

Greg Combet is retiring :(
really sad to see him go, one of the few likeable politicians around.

Lol Abbott. The entire country hates him, barring a lunatic right wing fringe of tories, obscenely rich mining and news magnates and religious nutters.

That's an 18 point difference compared to Gillard, and Abbott lost 3 points.

Galxy Poll has 2 party preferred at ALP 49% (+4) and LNP 51 (-4).

Edited by macktheknife: 29/6/2013 08:48:35 PM

\:d/ \:d/ \:d/

Too late for what?

Highest approval rating[edit]
Kevin Rudd has the highest career-peak approval rating with 71% (18–20 April 2008).
John Howard has the second-highest career-peak approval rating, with 67% (10–12 May 1996).
Bob Hawke has the third-highest career-peak approval rating, with 62% (24-26 Jan 1986).

Lowest approval rating[edit]
Paul Keating has the lowest recorded approval rating, of 17% (20–22 August 1993).
Julia Gillard has the second-lowest career-low approval rating, of 26% (23–26 February 2012) .
Bob Hawke has the third-lowest career-low approval rating, of 27%, recorded in his final poll prior to losing office (29 Nov - 1 Dec & 6-8 Dec 1991).

Highest dissatisfied rating[edit]
Paul Keating has the highest recorded "dissatisfied" rating with 75% (3–5 September 1993).
Julia Gillard has the second-highest career-peak "dissatisfied" rating, with 68% (2–4 September 2011).
John Howard has the equal-third-highest career-peak "dissatisfied" rating, with 64% (9–11 March 2001).
Bob Hawke is also equal-third-highest, with 64% (29 November-1 December 1991 & 6–8 December 1991).

Highest preferred-prime-minister score[edit]
Until mid-1991, preferred-prime-minister ratings were only surveyed during election campaigns.
Kevin Rudd has the highest preferred-prime-minister score with 73% (28 Feb-2 Mar 2008 and 4–6 April 2008).
John Howard has the second-highest career-peak preferred-prime-minister score with 67% (20–22 June 2003).
Bob Hawke has the third-highest career-peak preferred-prime-minister score with 62% (5–7 June 1987 and 16–21 June 1987).

Lowest preferred-prime-minister score[edit]
Paul Keating has the lowest preferred-prime-minister score with 27% (20–22 August 1993).
John Howard has the second-lowest career-low preferred-prime-minister score with 31% (24–6 July 1998).
Bob Hawke has the third-lowest career-low preferred-prime-minister score with 32% (22-24 Nov 1991, and 29 Nov - 1 Dec & 6-8 Dec 1991).
Opposition Leader polling[edit]

Highest approval rating[edit]
Kevin Rudd has had the highest recorded approval rating, of 68% (16–18 February 2007 and 11–13 May 2007).
Mark Latham has the second-highest career-peak approval rating, of 66% (19–21 March 2004).
John Hewson has the third-highest career-peak approval rating, of 55% (17–19 January 1992).

Lowest approval rating[edit]
Alexander Downer recorded the lowest approval rating, of 20% (2–4 December 1994 and 16–18 December 1994).
Three leaders have recorded career-low approval ratings of 22%. They are Andrew Peacock (19–21 May 1989), John Hewson (11–13 March 1994) and Simon Crean (28–30 November 2003).

Highest dissatisfaction rating[edit]
Alexander Downer recorded the highest dissatisfaction rating, of 69% (2–4 December 1994).
Andrew Peacock recorded the second-highest career-high dissatisfaction rating, of 67% (16–18 March 1990).
John Hewson recorded the third-highest career-high dissatisfaction rating, of 64% (11–13 March 1994).

Highest preferred-prime-minister score[edit]
Kevin Rudd holds the record with 50% (19–21 October 2007).
Alexander Downer recorded the second-highest career-peak score, of 48% (8–10 July 1994).
John Howard recorded the third highest, of 47% (10–12 March 1995).

Lowest preferred-prime-minister score[edit]
Brendan Nelson holds the record with 7% (29 February-2 March 2008).
Simon Crean recorded the second-lowest career-low score, with 14% (28–30 November 2003).
Malcolm Turnbull recorded the equal-second lowest, with 14% (27–29 November 2009).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspoll

Would lol so much. :lol:

The forum Tories have gone very quiet...