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Eastern Glory wrote:This ain't America son. We vote for parties. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Try and tell the entire of my FB news feed that :lol: I've never seen the word "assassinate" appear so much in my news feed before :lol:
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Eastern Glory wrote:girtXc wrote:pv4 wrote:Also can this thread name be changed to:
The Australian Politics thread: Rudd OUT -----> Abbott IN Labor OUT -----> Liberal IN This ain't America son. We vote for parties. :-k That is of course the way the coalition wanted it but the marketing branch from KRudd.Inc was determined to focus on Abbott thinking he was unelectable #HistoryWillProveOtherwise
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pv4
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afromanGT wrote:So, everyone ready for a recession? Newcastle has been in one under a Labour government for months now. I'm ready for mining companies to make money, so they can spend more money.
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afromanGT wrote:So, everyone ready for a recession? What makes you think it can get any worse. We are already there from my observations, particularly the last 18 months with the unprecedented number of manufacturing job losses It's not affecting me but so many others are under extreme financial stress
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Eastern Glory
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girtXc wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:girtXc wrote:pv4 wrote:Also can this thread name be changed to:
The Australian Politics thread: Rudd OUT -----> Abbott IN Labor OUT -----> Liberal IN This ain't America son. We vote for parties. :-k That is of course the way the coalition wanted it but the marketing branch from KRudd.Inc was determined to focus on Abbott thinking he was unelectable #HistoryWillProveOtherwise My apologise, when I'm bored and tired I develop the vernacular of a Garbo from Brooklyn. Well it was a case of the unelectable leader against the unelectable party wasn't it? Not necessarily my opinion, but that's the way most Australian saw it IMO.
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girtXc
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pv4 wrote:afromanGT wrote:So, everyone ready for a recession? Newcastle has been in one under a Labour government for months now. I'm ready for mining companies to make money, so they can spend more money. It's a very hard concept for many to understand.Newcastle is such an important part of the equation in our economy's health and we need to see things pick up
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I just love when people vote above the line and then complain about preferences :lol:
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girtXc
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Eastern Glory wrote:girtXc wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:girtXc wrote:pv4 wrote:Also can this thread name be changed to:
The Australian Politics thread: Rudd OUT -----> Abbott IN Labor OUT -----> Liberal IN This ain't America son. We vote for parties. :-k That is of course the way the coalition wanted it but the marketing branch from KRudd.Inc was determined to focus on Abbott thinking he was unelectable #HistoryWillProveOtherwise My apologise, when I'm bored and tired I develop the vernacular of a Garbo from Brooklyn. Well it was a case of the unelectable leader against the unelectable party wasn't it? Not necessarily my opinion, but that's the way most Australian saw it IMO. ;) If you extrapolate the logic of certain folk then Turnbull would have caused an absolute rout
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girtXc wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:girtXc wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:girtXc wrote:pv4 wrote:Also can this thread name be changed to:
The Australian Politics thread: Rudd OUT -----> Abbott IN Labor OUT -----> Liberal IN This ain't America son. We vote for parties. :-k That is of course the way the coalition wanted it but the marketing branch from KRudd.Inc was determined to focus on Abbott thinking he was unelectable #HistoryWillProveOtherwise My apologise, when I'm bored and tired I develop the vernacular of a Garbo from Brooklyn. Well it was a case of the unelectable leader against the unelectable party wasn't it? Not necessarily my opinion, but that's the way most Australian saw it IMO. ;) If you extrapolate the logic of certain folk then Turnbull would have caused an absolute rout I guess we'll never know...
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girtXc wrote:afromanGT wrote:So, everyone ready for a recession? What makes you think it can get any worse. We are already there from my observations, particularly the last 18 months with the unprecedented number of manufacturing job losses It's not affecting me but so many others are under extreme financial stress Was talking with a mate about it last night (who's actually qualified in the financial fields). Basically he hypothesised Liberal government continues to financially protect Baby Boomers, resulting in continued increase in land prices and higher mortgages (including for baby boomers) who pass on that cost in rent, pushing up commercial property costs and thus product costs, thus continually devaluing the dollar and driving recession.
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afromanGT wrote:girtXc wrote:afromanGT wrote:So, everyone ready for a recession? What makes you think it can get any worse. We are already there from my observations, particularly the last 18 months with the unprecedented number of manufacturing job losses It's not affecting me but so many others are under extreme financial stress Was talking with a mate about it last night (who's actually qualified in the financial fields). Basically he hypothesised Liberal government continues to financially protect Baby Boomers, resulting in continued increase in land prices and higher mortgages (including for baby boomers) who pass on that cost in rent, pushing up commercial property costs and thus product costs, thus continually devaluing the dollar and driving recession. I don't understand this. If prices are higher, and people can't afford it, the land won't sell. You should see how many homes in Muswellbrook (Hunter Valley) are for sale or lease atm, and they can't move them. The value is going down considerably to attempt to make them move.
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pv4 wrote:afromanGT wrote:So, everyone ready for a recession? Newcastle has been in one under a Labour government for months now. I'm ready for mining companies to make money, so they can spend more money. Mining is one of the most exposed parts of our economy to external influence but I'll be watching on keenly as it sounds like you will be.
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afromanGT wrote:Was talking with a mate about it last night (who's actually qualified in the financial fields). Basically he hypothesised Liberal government continues to financially protect Baby Boomers, resulting in continued increase in land prices and higher mortgages (including for baby boomers) who pass on that cost in rent, pushing up commercial property costs and thus product costs, thus continually devaluing the dollar and driving recession. What nonsense. How does your mate hypothesize the liberal government continue (they haven't even been sworn in yet) to protect Baby Boomers? Do you mean their land and property? Isn't this the responsibility of every government, to protect peoples property and rights? Does he advocate raiding peoples superannuation funds so they can't buy property anymore? Like what the fuck?
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pv4 wrote:afromanGT wrote:girtXc wrote:afromanGT wrote:So, everyone ready for a recession? What makes you think it can get any worse. We are already there from my observations, particularly the last 18 months with the unprecedented number of manufacturing job losses It's not affecting me but so many others are under extreme financial stress Was talking with a mate about it last night (who's actually qualified in the financial fields). Basically he hypothesised Liberal government continues to financially protect Baby Boomers, resulting in continued increase in land prices and higher mortgages (including for baby boomers) who pass on that cost in rent, pushing up commercial property costs and thus product costs, thus continually devaluing the dollar and driving recession. I don't understand this. If prices are higher, and people can't afford it, the land won't sell. You should see how many homes in Muswellbrook (Hunter Valley) are for sale or lease atm, and they can't move them. The value is going down considerably to attempt to make them move. Prices are driven up because there's a general undersupply of land. Low supply = higher prices. Therefore higher rent. Therefore costs passed down the chain. Quote:What nonsense. How does your mate hypothesize the liberal government continue (they haven't even been sworn in yet) to protect Baby Boomers? Do you mean their land and property? Isn't this the responsibility of every government, to protect peoples property and rights? Does he advocate raiding peoples superannuation funds so they can't buy property anymore? Like what the fuck? :-S No, the government frees up and sells more land for residential development, thus increasing the housing supply, lowering housing prices, rent costs and the cost of living. But they'll never do that because the Baby Boomers' nest eggs are all tied up in property investment and they'd lose the value in their investment. The other solution would be to increase asylum intake (which you'll never see under a Liberal government) so that Baby Boomers don't make up such a large portion of the populace and therefore their investments aren't such a large portion of the gross national wealth.
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afromanGT wrote::-S No, the government frees up and sells more land for residential development, thus increasing the housing supply, lowering housing prices, rent costs and the cost of living.
But they'll never do that because the Baby Boomers' nest eggs are all tied up in property investment and they'd lose the value in their investment.
The other solution would be to increase asylum intake (which you'll never see under a Liberal government) so that Baby Boomers don't make up such a large portion of the populace and therefore their investments aren't such a large portion of the gross national wealth. I'm sympathetic to what you are saying but the fact is we have protect Baby Boomers' nest eggs as much as possible otherwise the burden on us when they retire on mass (it's already starting to happen btw) is going to ruin us even more. The Libs certainly did fuck us over by doing nothing to cool down the property boom (rather they gave us young people an extra $7-14k to help drive up prices) but it's a problem we're stuck with. At best we need house prices to remain stable. Immigration growth is going to be required to increase demand as they all start selling off their assets to pay for their retirement. It's going to be challenging for a generally xenophobic (in rhetoric) party like the Libs to increase immigration over the time as is ultimately going to be required but they managed to pull the wool over people's eyes during the Howard years. Asylum seekers is a different issue as you can argue skilled migration is more valuable for this type of thing. Btw I think asylum seeker policies of both Labor and Liberal are way off the mark and we shouldn't be punishing the victims.
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mcjules wrote:afromanGT wrote::-S No, the government frees up and sells more land for residential development, thus increasing the housing supply, lowering housing prices, rent costs and the cost of living.
But they'll never do that because the Baby Boomers' nest eggs are all tied up in property investment and they'd lose the value in their investment.
The other solution would be to increase asylum intake (which you'll never see under a Liberal government) so that Baby Boomers don't make up such a large portion of the populace and therefore their investments aren't such a large portion of the gross national wealth. I'm sympathetic to what you are saying but the fact is we have protect Baby Boomers' nest eggs as much as possible otherwise the burden on us when they retire on mass (it's already starting to happen btw) is going to ruin us even more. The Libs certainly did fuck us over by doing nothing to cool down the property boom (rather they gave us young people an extra $7-14k to help drive up prices) but it's a problem we're stuck with. At best we need house prices to remain stable. Immigration growth is going to be required to increase demand as they all start selling off their assets to pay for their retirement. It's going to be challenging for a generally xenophobic (in rhetoric) party like the Libs to increase immigration over the time as is ultimately going to be required but they managed to pull the wool over people's eyes during the Howard years. Asylum seekers is a different issue as you can argue skilled migration is more valuable for this type of thing. Btw I think asylum seeker policies of both Labor and Liberal are way off the mark and we shouldn't be punishing the victims. It doesn't matter how you decrease the Baby Boomers as a percentage of the population but it has to happen or we're all going to end up screwed. As things are most of Gen Y will never own a home and a government has to step up, acknowledge this and proactively do something about it. Both Parties' asylum seeker policies are turning us into global assholes, but that's not the point here. The point is that they're the solution to one of our nation's biggest long-term problems (inb4 people spout off about Global Warming, that's a pan-global problem).
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Can you consider the boats stopped if they're never reported?
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:Can you consider the boats stopped if they're never reported? Schrodinger's Asylum Seeker.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:Can you consider the boats stopped if they're never reported? How the previous Liberal government dealt with the issue.
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General Ashnak wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:Can you consider the boats stopped if they're never reported? How the previous Liberal government dealt with the issue. Pretty much. Watch it be turned into a military operation and completely kept out of the public eye and voila, boats stopped.
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Listened to that David Leyonhjelm on the radio this morning. Guy is a fucking nutcase. He's convinced the streets of Western Sydney would be safer if people were allowed to carry guns legally :lol:
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RedKat wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:Listened to that David Leyonhjelm on the radio this morning. Guy is a fucking nutcase. He's convinced the streets of Western Sydney would be safer if people were allowed to carry guns legally :lol: Isnt in great to know these 6 guys that will most likely have the balance of power are a great bunch of pro-gun, anti-gay marriage and generally sane people? Lack of blue font is disturbing...
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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afromanGT wrote:mcjules wrote:afromanGT wrote::-S No, the government frees up and sells more land for residential development, thus increasing the housing supply, lowering housing prices, rent costs and the cost of living.
But they'll never do that because the Baby Boomers' nest eggs are all tied up in property investment and they'd lose the value in their investment.
The other solution would be to increase asylum intake (which you'll never see under a Liberal government) so that Baby Boomers don't make up such a large portion of the populace and therefore their investments aren't such a large portion of the gross national wealth. I'm sympathetic to what you are saying but the fact is we have protect Baby Boomers' nest eggs as much as possible otherwise the burden on us when they retire on mass (it's already starting to happen btw) is going to ruin us even more. The Libs certainly did fuck us over by doing nothing to cool down the property boom (rather they gave us young people an extra $7-14k to help drive up prices) but it's a problem we're stuck with. At best we need house prices to remain stable. Immigration growth is going to be required to increase demand as they all start selling off their assets to pay for their retirement. It's going to be challenging for a generally xenophobic (in rhetoric) party like the Libs to increase immigration over the time as is ultimately going to be required but they managed to pull the wool over people's eyes during the Howard years. Asylum seekers is a different issue as you can argue skilled migration is more valuable for this type of thing. Btw I think asylum seeker policies of both Labor and Liberal are way off the mark and we shouldn't be punishing the victims. It doesn't matter how you decrease the Baby Boomers as a percentage of the population but it has to happen or we're all going to end up screwed. As things are most of Gen Y will never own a home and a government has to step up, acknowledge this and proactively do something about it. Both Parties' asylum seeker policies are turning us into global assholes, but that's not the point here. The point is that they're the solution to one of our nation's biggest long-term problems (inb4 people spout off about Global Warming, that's a pan-global problem). I don't think increasing population will help housing prices (will probably do the opposite). Your investment distribution argument may hold and I don't agree that asylum seekers are the only solution to our problems with our aging population putting strain on younger people. It makes me sound like I'm anti-immigration but I'm not. Just think the rationale isn't spot on in your argument.
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General Ashnak wrote:RedKat wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:Listened to that David Leyonhjelm on the radio this morning. Guy is a fucking nutcase. He's convinced the streets of Western Sydney would be safer if people were allowed to carry guns legally :lol: Isnt in great to know these 6 guys that will most likely have the balance of power are a great bunch of pro-gun, anti-gay marriage and generally sane people? Lack of blue font is disturbing... The author of the article clearly went for each ones more controversial stances to scare people but regardless it is a worry.
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notorganic wrote:rusty wrote:notorganic wrote:thupercoach wrote:Loving the butthurt. Abbott has been character assassinated for three years and people saw through the bs enough to vote Liberal anyway. Except that they didn't, to a large degree. They voted PUP or informal. Primary LNP votes increased modestly at best. You have to applaud the Labor faithful for trying to convince us the Libs didn't win the election. Great stuff.=d> :lol: "Labor faithful" I made it pretty clear who I voted for. It wasn't the ALP in either house and hasn't been for 3 election cycles, state or federal. I'm sorry that you and Batfink are so blinded by your devotion to the party to understand the point that I'm making. i am not devoted the coalition....just vehemently opposed to KRUDD
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rusty wrote:notorganic wrote::lol: "Labor faithful"
I made it pretty clear who I voted for. It wasn't the ALP in either house and hasn't been for 3 election cycles, state or federal.
I'm sorry that you and Batfink are so blinded by your devotion to the party to understand the point that I'm making. Well lets be honest Notor the point you are making is you are really upset Liberals WON the election. The point Thuper is making is despite the desperate attempts of Labor and the fairfax media to portray Abbott as a demon he still WON the election, [size=9] you are just trying to cherry pick certain bits of data to present the false and misleading case that this was not a DECISIVE LIBERAL VICTORY.[/size] It was - you just have to look at the number of seats they claimed compared to every other party - the facts DO NOT lie. You need to stop kidding yourself, and I have no idea who you voted for and I don't really care. all those years at Roy Morgan research taught him how to manipulate data to your own advantage...LOL and you are quite right, he is bitter and twisted ABBOTT romped it in......LOL
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pv4 wrote:afromanGT wrote:So, everyone ready for a recession? Newcastle has been in one under a Labour government for months now. the construction and housing industry has been in recession for 4 years
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batfink wrote:rusty wrote:notorganic wrote::lol: "Labor faithful"
I made it pretty clear who I voted for. It wasn't the ALP in either house and hasn't been for 3 election cycles, state or federal.
I'm sorry that you and Batfink are so blinded by your devotion to the party to understand the point that I'm making. Well lets be honest Notor the point you are making is you are really upset Liberals WON the election. The point Thuper is making is despite the desperate attempts of Labor and the fairfax media to portray Abbott as a demon he still WON the election, [size=9] you are just trying to cherry pick certain bits of data to present the false and misleading case that this was not a DECISIVE LIBERAL VICTORY.[/size] It was - you just have to look at the number of seats they claimed compared to every other party - the facts DO NOT lie. You need to stop kidding yourself, and I have no idea who you voted for and I don't really care. all those years at Roy Morgan research taught him how to manipulate data to your own advantage...LOL and you are quite right, he is bitter and twisted ABBOTT romped it in......LOL Once again, RMR called this election with the highest degree of accuracy over any other polling company. If you're going to try and denigrate my posts because of the pedigree of my former employers, I'm afraid you're going to have to try much harder than that. The fact remains, the election result is not because of a major swing towards the LNP. There aren't many reasons for LNP supporters to be gloating. The swinging voters (including myself) of Australia sent a very clear message - they're not fans of either major parties.
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