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Unconfirmed report says Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 black box has been found
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An aircraft involved in the hunt for Malaysia Airlines flight 370 has picked up a possible fifth signal.

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12 Apr 2014
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Tony Abbott says rescue teams have homed in on signals they are now certain belong to the MH370 black box flight recorder.

Tony Abbott says rescue teams have homed in on signals they are now certain belong to the black box flight recorder from missing Malaysian flight MH370.

The Prime Minister, who is in Shanghai, spoke after an aviation expert claimed the breakthrough discovery had been made.

Mr Abbott said they were now engaged in a race against time to find the black box as the signal starts to fade.

He will meet personally tonight with Chinese President Xi Jinping to update him on the latest efforts to find the black box, hinting it would soon be located.

“We have very much narrowed down the search area...we have now had a series of detections, some for quite a long period of time.

“It’s now getting to the stage that the signal from what we are very confident is from the black box is starting to fade.

“We are hoping to get as much information as we can before the signals finally expire.”

The initial discovery report was Tweeted by aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas, the editor-n-chief of the website airlineratings.com and executive editor of AirlineReview.com.

Thomas told Perth radio station 6PR that the Ocean Shield and the HMS Echo have both left the search area “at speed” and sources had told him there was a possibility they had “triangulated” and located the black box.

“Echo has come along and done a radar scan, an echo scan if you like, along the bottom and they’ve had a return which is a positive, which may indicate the wreckage of a plane.”

He stressed these were unconfirmed reports but “if they are firm enough to say we have located the black box, that is enough for them to launch the Bluefin 21 to go down to the bottom and take photographs or scan the bottom with a sonar scanner.

“It will either take an electronic scan or it will have a camera and lights and take a photograph.

“If HMS Echo has come in and done a scan of the ocean floor over their triangulated best estimate, then all of the sudden you’re getting a very positive return off the ocean floor.

“Don’t forget, the ocean floor is all silt, a big object like a 250 tonne aeroplane, it is going to give you a different shaper return, rather than a softer return.”

Asked about the search effort, Thomas said: “I think they have done an absolutely outstanding job, I mean the international collaboration now basically led by the Australians, with the United States, the British,, the Malaysians and the Chinese. I think they’ve done an extraordinary job given the limited information they had to start off with... to have found this so quickly is outstanding.”

- Simon Benson, Jennifer Rajca and Network Writers

http://www.mxnet.com.au/story/unconfirmed-report-says-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-black-box-has-been-found/story-fnh38q9o-1226880994714


I guess nobody told the coordinator of the search
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Unconfirmed report says Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 black box has been found
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An aircraft involved in the hunt for Malaysia Airlines flight 370 has picked up a possible fifth signal.

Sky News
12 Apr 2014
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Tony Abbott says rescue teams have homed in on signals they are now certain belong to the MH370 black box flight recorder.

Tony Abbott says rescue teams have homed in on signals they are now certain belong to the black box flight recorder from missing Malaysian flight MH370.

The Prime Minister, who is in Shanghai, spoke after an aviation expert claimed the breakthrough discovery had been made.

Mr Abbott said they were now engaged in a race against time to find the black box as the signal starts to fade.

He will meet personally tonight with Chinese President Xi Jinping to update him on the latest efforts to find the black box, hinting it would soon be located.

“We have very much narrowed down the search area...we have now had a series of detections, some for quite a long period of time.

“It’s now getting to the stage that the signal from what we are very confident is from the black box is starting to fade.

“We are hoping to get as much information as we can before the signals finally expire.”

The initial discovery report was Tweeted by aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas, the editor-n-chief of the website airlineratings.com and executive editor of AirlineReview.com.

Thomas told Perth radio station 6PR that the Ocean Shield and the HMS Echo have both left the search area “at speed” and sources had told him there was a possibility they had “triangulated” and located the black box.

“Echo has come along and done a radar scan, an echo scan if you like, along the bottom and they’ve had a return which is a positive, which may indicate the wreckage of a plane.”

He stressed these were unconfirmed reports but “if they are firm enough to say we have located the black box, that is enough for them to launch the Bluefin 21 to go down to the bottom and take photographs or scan the bottom with a sonar scanner.

“It will either take an electronic scan or it will have a camera and lights and take a photograph.

“If HMS Echo has come in and done a scan of the ocean floor over their triangulated best estimate, then all of the sudden you’re getting a very positive return off the ocean floor.

“Don’t forget, the ocean floor is all silt, a big object like a 250 tonne aeroplane, it is going to give you a different shaper return, rather than a softer return.”

Asked about the search effort, Thomas said: “I think they have done an absolutely outstanding job, I mean the international collaboration now basically led by the Australians, with the United States, the British,, the Malaysians and the Chinese. I think they’ve done an extraordinary job given the limited information they had to start off with... to have found this so quickly is outstanding.”

- Simon Benson, Jennifer Rajca and Network Writers

http://www.mxnet.com.au/story/unconfirmed-report-says-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-black-box-has-been-found/story-fnh38q9o-1226880994714

WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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RedKat wrote:
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benelsmore wrote:
Conspiracy theorists who see plots in everything really need to take off their tinfoil hats and occupy themselves with someone beneficial.

I love the way people claim MH370 was a CIA plot. Y'know, because making a plane full of tourists travelling from a second world country 'disappear' is high up on the CIA's "to do list".

Some people suggested they wanted one of the passengers...because making a plane full of 239 people 'disappear' and creating an international incident is a far more realistic option than abducting a person off the street.


You guys are committing the first rule of being a conspiracy theorist- never ever have any rational thought


Who needs Occam's Razor?
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benelsmore wrote:
Conspiracy theorists who see plots in everything really need to take off their tinfoil hats and occupy themselves with someone beneficial.

I love the way people claim MH370 was a CIA plot. Y'know, because making a plane full of tourists travelling from a second world country 'disappear' is high up on the CIA's "to do list".

Some people suggested they wanted one of the passengers...because making a plane full of 239 people 'disappear' and creating an international incident is a far more realistic option than abducting a person off the street.
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Conspiracy theorists who see plots in everything really need to take off their tinfoil hats and occupy themselves with someone beneficial.
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Fuck me, lay of the crack Footyroo.

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Turkey's False Flag Plan: What you're not being told
[youtube]watch?v=aW4i-YeJzUY&hd=1[/youtube]

Turkey's Insane False Flag Plot to Start a War with Syria | Weapons of Mass Distraction
[youtube]watch?v=HBk0HGfI_wM&hd=1[/youtube]
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Footyroo wrote:
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LOOK! Sarah Bajc Was Director for Tescom in Tel Aviv Israel, Business Director of Microsoft China!
[youtube]/watch?v=aMx27UUcRco&hd=1[/youtube]


what are you trying to say here? :?


ricecrackers,

Watch this video below about role players etc.

PHILLIP WOODS IS CAUGHT AS A CIA PROP IN THIS PHOTO! MORE BREAKING NEWS WITH S&N KOREAS
[youtube]watch?v=DRFMMKyZhlo&hd=1[/youtube]


no thanks

that looks like nutjob material

if you can give me something credible and logical i'll listen
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ricecrackers wrote:
Footyroo wrote:
LOOK! Sarah Bajc Was Director for Tescom in Tel Aviv Israel, Business Director of Microsoft China!
[youtube]/watch?v=aMx27UUcRco&hd=1[/youtube]


what are you trying to say here? :?


ricecrackers,

Watch this video below about role players etc.

PHILLIP WOODS IS CAUGHT AS A CIA PROP IN THIS PHOTO! MORE BREAKING NEWS WITH S&N KOREAS
[youtube]watch?v=DRFMMKyZhlo&hd=1[/youtube]
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Footyroo wrote:
LOOK! Sarah Bajc Was Director for Tescom in Tel Aviv Israel, Business Director of Microsoft China!
[youtube]/watch?v=aMx27UUcRco&hd=1[/youtube]


what are you trying to say here? :?
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LOOK! Sarah Bajc Was Director for Tescom in Tel Aviv Israel, Business Director of Microsoft China!
[youtube]/watch?v=aMx27UUcRco&hd=1[/youtube]
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afromanGT wrote:
Accuses someone of lying. No evidence.

"facts".


i know what i've posted liarboy
i am the evidence
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Accuses someone of lying. No evidence.

"facts".
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afromanGT wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
^destroyed by facts resorts to insults

You haven't posted a single link to support your claims in your 774 posts.

"facts".


you cant stop lying can you
compulsive :^o
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ricecrackers wrote:
^destroyed by facts resorts to insults

You haven't posted a single link to support your claims in your 774 posts.

"facts".
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^destroyed by facts resorts to insults
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ricecrackers wrote:
nope, I dont think that at all

Your use of 'that' is unnecessary.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
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Hmmm let me see. On the one hand I can take the word of Afro and the bunch of physicists that calculated the probable location of the plane, had it peer reviewed, checked with Boeing on their assumptions and published their best estimate or I can believe an internet troll.

It's a conundrum.

You've learnt some big words this week RC.

No, don't be ridiculous. My explanation, degree and understanding of maths, not to mention the scores of physicists and engineers who are experts in the field and actually did all the legwork on this is obviously far less reliable than RC's opinion.


:-"


Shouldn't bite but anyway.

You're off your chops cobber. If it weren't for the Immarsat blokes they'd still be looking in the Northern hemisphere. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It's needle in a haystack stuff out there.

Read the other day that they have to tow the black box pinger finder thingamajig along at only 5km/hr through the water and it can only scan some miniscule amount of width at a time so even if they're in roughly the right area they'll still have trouble finding it.

I guess though as you have the inside track on this sort of stuff you'd be able to tell us it's parked in Area 51 courtesy of the Bohemian Club.


nope, I dont think that at all

have they found any more jellyfish?
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Found the link. http://www.ecudaily.com.au/6050/news/black-box-search-underway-off-coast/ (Needs to be within 1.6km.)

Oh and given the currents in the area and the fact the ocean is up to 4kms deep in some places in the general it's no surprise it wasn't exactly marked "X" is the spot.


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ricecrackers wrote:
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
Hmmm let me see. On the one hand I can take the word of Afro and the bunch of physicists that calculated the probable location of the plane, had it peer reviewed, checked with Boeing on their assumptions and published their best estimate or I can believe an internet troll.

It's a conundrum.

You've learnt some big words this week RC.

No, don't be ridiculous. My explanation, degree and understanding of maths, not to mention the scores of physicists and engineers who are experts in the field and actually did all the legwork on this is obviously far less reliable than RC's opinion.


:-"


Shouldn't bite but anyway.

You're off your chops cobber. If it weren't for the Immarsat blokes they'd still be looking in the Northern hemisphere. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It's needle in a haystack stuff out there.

Read the other day that they have to tow the black box pinger finder thingamajig along at only 5km/hr through the water and it can only scan some miniscule amount of width at a time so even if they're in roughly the right area they'll still have trouble finding it.

I guess though as you have the inside track on this sort of stuff you'd be able to tell us it's parked in Area 51 courtesy of the Bohemian Club.


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433 wrote:
I think he's referring to Marxism in it's cultural sense, as opposed to it's economic application.

But yeah looks pretty fucking crazy :lol:

If he'd said Tipper Gore instead of Clinton he might have had a point :lol:

And Gingrich is a vocal Christian who complains that America has become "too secular" - Cultural Marxism opposed religion.
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afromanGT wrote:
Munrubenmuz wrote:
Hmmm let me see. On the one hand I can take the word of Afro and the bunch of physicists that calculated the probable location of the plane, had it peer reviewed, checked with Boeing on their assumptions and published their best estimate or I can believe an internet troll.

It's a conundrum.

You've learnt some big words this week RC.

No, don't be ridiculous. My explanation, degree and understanding of maths, not to mention the scores of physicists and engineers who are experts in the field and actually did all the legwork on this is obviously far less reliable than RC's opinion.


:-"
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I think he's referring to Marxism in it's cultural sense, as opposed to it's economic application.

But yeah looks pretty fucking crazy :lol:
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RedKat wrote:
Worth noting the author is Christian minister known for his hate of Catholocism and Judaism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texe_Marrs

Doesnt seem like he has any actualy proper scientific qualifications to allow him to make such remarks

Calls Hillary Clinton (D) Marxist.
Calls Newt Gingrich (R) Marxist.
Claims the pope plans to head a New World Order.

The guy makes David Icke sound almost well rounded and sane. And that's saying something.
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humbert wrote:
You stupid cunt, the Khazar speculation was played out long ago by people much more intelligent than yourself, namely Koestler. Nothing has ever come of it.


I was reading something the other day about genetic commonality amongst Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews, as well as Indian and Ethiopian ones I think. There was also some genetic commonality between Jews and Arabs from that region.

The Khazar thing was interesting but totally disproved.

It'd be the kind of thing Poly would be posting about Jewish conspiracies.
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You stupid cunt, the Khazar speculation was played out long ago by people much more intelligent than yourself, namely Koestler. Nothing has ever come of it.
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Ok so if their origins aren't from Israel then how are their holy sites in Israel? This whole argument is flawed from the ground up. So what if people who aren't from Israel follow Judaism? There's nothing in the belief that stipulates any kind of geographical prerequisites.
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http://www.amazon.com/Science-Jewish-Bloodline-Texe-Marrs/dp/1930004818/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

DNA Science and the Jewish Bloodline , Texe Marrs (Author) , ISBN-13: 978-1930004818

Who are the Jews? What is their ancestry? Are the Jews a homogenous race? Are Jews descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Today, DNA science reveals that almost all the Jews in the world come from Khazaria. They are not of the blood lineage of Abraham and the prophets, but of King Bulan and the pagan peoples of the Caucasus. The ancestors of today's Jews are not Israelites but are Khazarians.

Khazaria's people, in the 8th century, converted from paganism to Judaism. In the 10th century, these Khazarian "Jewish" converts emigrated to Eastern Europe, and especially Poland and Lithuania. In 1948, the Khazars, erroneously believing themselves to be "Jews," arrived in the territory of Palestine and set up the state of Israel. The people of Israel today are virtually all of Khazar (Turk/Mongol stock) extraction.

The "Jews" have no genetic claims to the land of Israel and no family connection whatsoever to historical Israel. DNA science joins recent discoveries in history and archaeology to present the world with a correct and remarkable picture of the Jewish people. Now, everything changes!
This has been disproved repeatedly.


Just out of curiosity are modern jews the descendants of those from thousands of years ago? What were the genes of the Arabs that lived there in the 40s?


http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/12/new-study-shows-yu-researcher-others-appear-to-have-cooked-the-genetic-books-to-prove-middle-eastern-789.html

December 30, 2012

New Study Shows YU Researcher, Others Appear To Have Cooked The Genetic Books To ‘Prove' Middle Eastern Origin Of The Jewish People When One May Not Really Exist

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The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion…[the] genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar.”

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Originally published at 9:36 pm CST 12-29-2012

New Study Shows Yeshiva University Researcher, Others Appear To Have Cooked The Genetic Books To ‘Prove' Middle Eastern Origin Of The Jewish People When One May Not Really Exist
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

"My research refutes 40 years of genetic studies, all of which have assumed that the Jews constitute a group that is genetically isolated from other nations,” Dr. Eran Elhaik says.

That's because Jews were never genetically isolated, making those other studies fatally flawed and very often contradictory.

Now Elhaik, in a study that is being called more profound than all of those that came before his combined, has exposed that fatal flaw and is the first to propose a viable way resolve those contradictions, Ha'aretz reports.

The answer to the origin of the Jewish people Elhaik found is startling – for most of us, out Jewish origins really do begin with the Khazars, the Medieval central Asian people whose ruling elite (and perhaps its merchant class, as well) converted to Judaism.

The 32-year-old does his work at the School of Public Health of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. His study was published earlier this month as, The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses, in the prestigious journal, Genome Biology and Evolution, which is published by Oxford University Press. This study is based on a complete analysis of the comprehensive genetic data published in preceding studies.

But in the absence of genetic data for the long-lost Khazars themselves, Elhaik uses a procedure often used by researchers in his field - he used data from populations that are genetically similar to the Khazars, including Georgians, Armenians and Caucasians, populations that Elhaik says have all come from the same genetic soup.

When doing so Elhaik discovered what he calls the Khazar component of European Jewry.

According to his study’s findings, the dominant element in the genetic makeup of European Jews is Khazar. Among Central European Jews, this makes up the largest part of their genome, 38%. For East European Jews it does the same, at 30%.

Elhaik found that European Jews genome is mostly Western European.

"[They are] primarily of Western European origin, which is rooted in the Roman Empire, and Middle Eastern origin, whose source is probably Mesopotamia, although it is possible that part of that component can be attributed to Israeli Jews,” he told Ha’aretz by phone from Maryland.

That possibility is important because, if it turns out to be true, it could connect European Jews to Israel. However, even if it is true, that connection is only a tiny part of the overall genome, a percentage so small that it would reportedly not be statistically significant enough to show that the origin of the Jews is the Kingdom of Judah in the biblical Land of Israel.

But Elhaik's study did find that there is a genetic continuum linking the Jews of Iran, the Caucasus, Azerbaijan and Georgia with the European Jews. These groups could share common ancestors - probably the Khazars.

Elhaik says that among the various groupings of European and non-European Jews there is no common genetic origin.

"The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion…[the] genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar,” he told Ha’aretz.

But what about other much-publicized studies which claim to show common genetic descent for Jews?

Many of these papers and books were written by noted professors and published by respected academic journals and publishers – for example, for example, Oxford University Press published, "Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People," by Yeshiva University’s Dr. Harry Ostrer, who teaches in the departments of pathology, genetics and pediatrics in the university's Albert Einstein College of Medicine. He argues that genetics prove the Jews are one people with a Middle Eastern origin.

Ostrer found no significant evidence for a connection between the Jews and the Khazars. According to Ostrer, genetically Jews are closer to Palestinians, Bedouin and Druze than to the Khazars.

How could Ostrer and so many others have reached conclusions that are co very different from Elhaik’s?

Simple, Elhaik says. First these researchers decided what conclusion they wanted to find, and then they set off to find evidence to support it.

“[Their research] has no empirical basis, sometimes even contradicts itself and offers conclusions that are simply not convincing…It is my impression that their results were written before they began the research. First they shot their arrow - and then they painted the bull's-eye around it,” Elhaik said.

"The majority of Jews do not have the Middle Eastern genetic component in the quantity we would expect to find if they were descendants of the Jews of antiquity,” he said.

To Elhaik, there is no uniquely Jewish gene because each human being is a genetic amalgam, and no population group has ever lived in total isolation from other population groups.

Haaretz says that it asked a number of scholars from Israel and the Diaspora – both historians and geneticists – what they thought about Elhaik’s article.

All of the historians declined to comment on Elhaik’s work, arguing that they were not geneticists and lacked the expertise needed to comment on his work.

But every one of the geneticists Ha’aretz contacted also refused to comment.

Some ignored Haaretz’s request and never answered at all. Other geneticists claimed they were unfamiliar with population research and therefore could not answer. Still others claimed they lacked the time needed to answer the question.

The only scholar who answered Ha’aretz’s question was Tel Aviv University professor of history Shlomo Sand.

Sand wrote the book "The Invention of the Jewish People.” It has now been translated into 22 languages, despite what was until Elhaik’s work was published a stacked deck of genetic research that opposed it.

Sand has tough words for geneticists looking for Jewish genes.

"For an ignoramus like me, genetics had always appeared to be crowned with a halo - as a precise science that deals with quantitative findings and whose conclusions are irrefutable. [But] I discovered geneticists - Jewish geneticists - whose knowledge of history ended at what was necessary for their high-school matriculation exams. Which is how I would describe my knowledge of biology. In high school they had learned that there is one Jewish nation, and, on the basis of this historical narrative, they reconstruct their scholarly findings,” Sand told Ha’aretz.

But what really concerns Sand most is the misuse of genetics to characterize people or nations – something the Nazis did with glee and Sand rightly labels as “dangerous.”

“[I]n the past, anyone who defined the Jews as a race was vilified as an anti-Semite, today anyone who is unprepared to define them as a race is labeled an antisemite.

"I used to think that only in such disciplines as history and literature can facts be given various interpretations, but I then discovered that the same thing is done in genetics. It is very easy to showcase certain findings while marginalizing others and to present your study as scholarly research. In general, specialization in genetics can create an incredibly high level of ignorance in history,” Sand pointed out.
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I though the Ashkenazi Jews were always a slightly different ethnicity to Arabs?
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