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luckee wrote:If you like beer and tasty kebabs you will have a fine time! great people too.
Yep looking forward to some yangrou chuan and dapanji washed down with some pijiu! They're also known for their raisins so I'm keen to see what the fuss is about.
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So the apparent driver of the truck was a petty criminal known to police but not on any terrorism watchlist and no group has so far claimed responsibility
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Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote: Don't wish to discuss this with someone who takes the deaths of innocence seriously.
:lol: No worries, man. Nice work. Well you obviously get some sick enjoyment out of it. Aha I assumed you were joking... You really are struggling to keep up Have a good weekend, man. It was meant to have doesn't. Either way way. You get the drift. I understood your typo and I still think you're a dickhead IF that's what you think of me and that's what you got out of me taking the piss out of Aikhme or whoever it was' comments re immigration when 2 commnest later i clarified how disgusting and barbaric this act was. If you didn't see that then no worries, sorry for the confusion Well I don't think that I just don't like laughing about this topic. Especially considering I have family and friends over there and I'm sick to death of asking if they are okay. Edited by TheSelectFew: 15/7/2016 06:14:31 PM
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mcjules wrote:433 wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:Not really sure why all this debate about immigrants in regards to this issue.
Virtually none of any of the terrorist acts have been committed by immigrants. They have just about all been 2nd generation.
The only one I am aware of was the Lindt café dude. But I think there is a strong argument to say he was just a nutjob - he is Iranian and shia (who are the main enemy and biggest targets of ISIS in Iraq and Syria). Was a self proclaimed sheikh for a while, then a mystical healer, later tried to join up with a bikie group, and only at the end decided he was actually sunni and wanted to be in ISIS.
So I would argue that there was a good chance he would have done something terrible regardless. I mean he was already being investigated for a murder at the time of the Lindt Café incident anyway.
Anyway, my point is that what everyone is rattling on about (immigration) has little to no bearing at all on addressing the issue we want to stop - terrorism. Immigration has a role, there should be adequate vetting of people migrating to this country. Whether there needs to be drastic changes to policies that are already in place is another question entirely. Of course - but that vetting happens already. I don't know why it is such a massive focus on this forum for Australia. Immigration just isn't the issue here.... Orbecause people votedfor party policies and not who their representative was. Not to mention she doesnt wear any headress from any photos ive seen of her on the campaign trail. So what is your issue? She doesn't have a right to be voted in like any other person??? Lots of muslim women do not wear head dresses. My point is that people want it both ways - they get criticised for not integrating. W hen they integrate they get derided as tokens.It's pathetic. Literally never seen anyone ever do this. Literally? I'm sure 433 is intelligent enough to detect the tokenism now that it has been foisted before his eyes. Rusty also made the comment.
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Aikhme
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mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? There is no other solution. No country on the planet has been successful in combating Radical Islam, not even the most brutal Islamic Regimes in the Middle East. Tree hugging and posting solidarity rainbow flags on facebook won't work either.
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mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:Here in Sydney many terror attack already. Chinese guy was killed from my area. Here we see what terror is real. I have my doubts as to whether you're genuinely a vietnamese person, but let's indulge. Were you around when Cabramatta was a hotbed of violence perpetrated by young viet gangs? If so, how did you feel to be put into the same basket as them? How would you feel when 100 Aussie Men, Women, and children are killed whilst attending Anzac Day commemorations?
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BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:433 wrote: Literally never seen anyone ever do this.
Mate - I was directly responding to the comments on this forum calling her a token selection. Flick back a couple of pages. Token selections still have to get elected though right? All they need is a feelgood hashtag campaign and all the Left feel good voters who like to prove they like Muslims because they voted for one.
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mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution? Implying that the constitution is a great refrence. This isnt the US our constitution is massively different. Study it. We have very few rights protected under it. Stop clutching at straws. And, this is one of the few rights that is. So it's highly relevant. For tbitm's plan to work would require a referendum where 2 thirds of the states say yes and a majority overall. That's a seriously high bar. I'm going to assume people are highly emotional at the moment and aren't thinking straight. It is a high bar but its a problem that will have to be addressed eventually and that bar will be reached. Problem is to do it now while Australia is still relatively safe and it can be done peacefully or in the future less peacefully. You're probably right though that in 2016 it's a high bar. Speaking to Australians we generally don't seem to give a shit because we all want to be cool and bash Pauline Hanson and eat Hsp's. It'll take the Opera house on fire for us to change anything I don't think people are ever going to vote in a police state situation, but you may be right, people have been voting for dumb things lately (yes yes off topic). Meet you back here in 20 years. I think we ultimately differ on the extent of the problem and the potential problem in the future. If it gets as bad as I think it will, it would be perfectly rational to vote for a police state, especially if the alternative isn't something slightly less but calling anyone racist for disagreement. (Not saying you're doing that in fact I think you've debated very respectfully) But that does seem to be the diacotomy in many countries. Western Europe is going to be the testing ground for what will work and what doesn't as well as a Trump presidency.
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mcjules wrote:433 wrote:mcjules wrote:433 wrote:Obviously hadn't seen that.
Look, you can obfuscate all you want. But the vast, vast majority of media presents integration as a good thing.
You and Azza can construct all these false targets if you want, but innocents will continue to die while people like you ignore the problem. False targets. :roll: You attack people for criticizing integration, when in reality 99% of people would say "integration is generally a good thing". You're attacking a non-existent target. Show me where I said that integration is bad? I may have a different opinion on what integration means to others. Religion doesn't play any part in it. Unfortunately it does. Some religions just won't integrate too well, and have radical elements which will one day try and kill you and your family. But all is good as long as we continue to brush it under the carpet, sing Koombaya in a singalong, and feel good because we are so tolerant and don't want to offend. Of course it wouldn't matter at the funerals, and the Liturgy sermon won't be Koombaya then.
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YOU HAVE BEEN VISITED BY THE ISLAMIC TRUCK OF TOLERANCE ______________¶___ |religion of peace ||l “”|””\__,_ |______________|||__|__|__|] (@)@)*********(@)(@)**(@) POST THIS IN ANOTHER THREAD OR THE PEACE TRUCK WILL NEVER COME TO YOUR COUNTRY -PB
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mcjules wrote:Toughlove wrote:mcjules wrote:SocaWho wrote:mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:Here in Sydney many terror attack already. Chinese guy was killed from my area. Here we see what terror is real. I have my doubts as to whether you're genuinely a vietnamese person, but let's indulge. Were you around when Cabramatta was a hotbed of violence perpetrated by young viet gangs? If so, how did you feel to be put into the same basket as them? Have you been to Cabra mate? :lol: Or are you gonna tell him what it's like from Google maps . I've been there a few times and some of my Viet mates have grown up there. What's your point...were you a regular at John St? You think everything ends with a fairytale ending? I have been to cabramatta, had some top viet food there. Even better than Kilkenny. Are you suggesting it was a safe place in the 80s and 90s? If so that was not what the media were reporting at the time. Lots of people deriding vietnamese and wanting migration to be stopped and for the ones here to be kicked out of the country for not "integrating" too. I lived in Sydney during the late 80's and remember well all the hoo haa with regards to the Vietnamese and the 'ghettos' they were creating. A Current Affair had a field day at the time. HOWEVER I don't remember any Vietnamese bloke wanting to go Jihad on a bunch of Westerner arses. There is something fundamentally wrong with Islam. Christianity has it's lunatics but Islamic lunatics are on a whole other level. My point wasn't what they were doing was the same thing (though the roots of why some are doing it may be the same). The point was about how Vietnamese people were labelled in similar ways in regards to not integrating and being a scourge on society. The 2 issues are entirely different. For one, the Vietnamese never strapped bombs to their abdomen or engaged in s shooting rampage against innocent people in the name of God. These gangs were just like any other drug and crime gang.
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tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks Spot on! But as mcjules said, he doesn't believe in this because he doesn't want a police state or end up like China. Much better to have innocent men, women and children killed on ANZAC Day.
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AzzaMarch wrote:tbitm wrote: Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down?
I think you are mistaken to assume the upwards trajectory will continue for decades. The reality is that at some point a new power equilibrium will be established in the middle east. Whether that is from the Iraqi govt continuing to turn the tide against ISIS, or the break-up of Iraq into new countries, I don't know. I think that ISIS have probably already passed their peak in terms of power. The fact that (Bataclan attack aside) nearly all of the terrorist attacks of recent times have been the work of individuals, and were 'inspired' by ISIS rather than being complex organised efforts by a group of people, is at least indicative of a reduced capability to commit organised acts of terror. I mean you can't get much more low-tech and blunt that driving a truck through a crowd. One thing which was really crucial was the Iraqis taking back Mosul, and the oil fields there. For a period that was funding much of the ISIS infrastructure. I think once ISIS is no longer a regional entity, that will make a huge difference to online recruitment, propaganda etc. Edited by AzzaMarch: 15/7/2016 04:44:59 PM ISIS are also in Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Algeria and other parts of Africa. They are still pretty damn powerful and influential. Either way, the ideology will continue to remain for decades, with or without ISIS. ISIS will just metamorphose just like Al Qaeda have into another dozen offshoots.
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View from the fence wrote:It's OK , he's from Tunisia, not ISIS ISIS is also in Tunisia, Morocco, and Algeria. It's also in Libya. Edited by Aikhme: 15/7/2016 06:52:06 PM
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paulbagzFC wrote:YOU HAVE BEEN VISITED BY THE ISLAMIC TRUCK OF TOLERANCE ______________¶___ |religion of peace ||l “”|””\__,_ |______________|||__|__|__|] (@)@)*********(@)(@)**(@) POST THIS IN ANOTHER THREAD OR THE PEACE TRUCK WILL NEVER COME TO YOUR COUNTRY
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mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution? Implying that the constitution is a great refrence. This isnt the US our constitution is massively different. Study it. We have very few rights protected under it. Stop clutching at straws. And, this is one of the few rights that is. So it's highly relevant. For tbitm's plan to work would require a referendum where 2 thirds of the states say yes and a majority overall. That's a seriously high bar. I'm going to assume people are highly emotional at the moment and aren't thinking straight. Australians never think straight because they haven't seen adversity like Europeans have. Until you have lived with the m,menace being talked about, many Aussies just think the problem will go away by hugging a tree or the nearest Muslim or start a "Ride with me hashtag campaign".
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Aikhme wrote:
Australians never think straight because they haven't seen adversity like Europeans have.
Until you have lived with the m,menace being talked about, many Aussies just think the problem will go away by hugging a tree or the nearest Muslim or start a "Ride with me hashtag campaign".
My wife asked me how I felt when after the Sydney chocolate shop attack. I said "how do you feel? it may as well be in the city here". Any attack on the west imo is an attack on Australia also.
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tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:mcjules wrote:tbitm wrote:Question to the people saying its 2nd generation immigrants and immigrants aren't the problem. The thing is eventually they will give birth to 2nd gen immigrants. So, should we castrate them? Kill their babies? Or perhaps not let them in in the first place? All 3 of us that have made this argument have acknowledged that they have kids. Did you actually read what was posted? Think about the nature of the threats 20 years ago, the world changes quicker than that. tbitm wrote:Its incredibly sad these attacks. I think most australians have their heart pound when they hear an attack has happened in Europe because we almost always have a loved one or friends over there. I know mine did.
But while these attackers are disgusting, these are only part of the affects of the islamisation of Europe has had we need to take a serious look at now, not when the Sydney Opera House is on fire, the West Gate Bridge is bombed or movie world gets gunned. Now.
The other affects which have taken place are quite obvious. The Euro, or any other sporting competition will almost certainly never be held again without maximum security. Almost every national holiday won't just be a day to celebrate, but a day to fear. Jews are leaving in droves. Gays, who fought so long to live their lives openly are going back or will start going back into the closet. Metal detectors are popping up and becoming more and more common. You can't draw what you want without getting death threats or a fatwa against your head. Women are being harassed and raped at a greater rate and are being forced to be far more careful than they otherwise would be. I imaging metal poles are going to be put up in crowded places to stop cars from ramming civilians but its all just a bandaid on the real issue.
Only a matter of time before they attack atheist rallies/meetups, NYE celebrations, liquor stores, annexing territory, firing rockets and release dirty bombs. Don't count on the Eiffel Tower always being there. You want to see it, go soon.
These aren't terrorist attacks. These are acts of war and its time we start treating them that way. What's your solution apart from stemming immigration? Yes a lot can change in 20 years, for instance Jews will be completely eradicated from Europe by then. Its only going to get worse. There have been as many terrorist attacks since the creation of ISIS (2013) than there was in the previous 20 years.* Do you honestly see this slowing down? 1) Investigate all mosques. Only that way can we see which ones are good and which ones need continuous monitoring 2) Deport all non citizens that are muslim 3) Import secular muslim leaders that share our values and allow them a platform to promote a new type of islam. See Majid Nawaz 4) Infiltrate their communities with spys. At least 5% of the population in these should be spies 5) Promote real muslim role models that can promote our values and build a model Muslim society for the rest of the world to envy. We can only do these things once we declare war on Islam. *Going off Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks :shock: 1. Those sort of tactics are what they do in China but they still have issues. It drives people underground and they still have attacks. 2. Not a believer in Section 116 of the Australian constitution? Implying that the constitution is a great refrence. This isnt the US our constitution is massively different. Study it. We have very few rights protected under it. Stop clutching at straws. And, this is one of the few rights that is. So it's highly relevant. For tbitm's plan to work would require a referendum where 2 thirds of the states say yes and a majority overall. That's a seriously high bar. I'm going to assume people are highly emotional at the moment and aren't thinking straight. It is a high bar but its a problem that will have to be addressed eventually and that bar will be reached. Problem is to do it now while Australia is still relatively safe and it can be done peacefully or in the future less peacefully. You're probably right though that in 2016 it's a high bar. Speaking to Australians we generally don't seem to give a shit because we all want to be cool and bash Pauline Hanson and eat Hsp's. It'll take the Opera house on fire for us to change anything It pains me to say it. But it will take bloodshed for some people to wake up. SHAME!
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Davide82 wrote:BETHFC wrote:Davide82 wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:is there any non muslim here who has actually studied the Quran and islamic culture? Maybe what we need is western countries to investigate Islam as to whether its actually compatible with western values. I know people hate hearing about Christianity's shady past with violence and terror coz it's 2016 now but it does show one thing and that is the bible or the quaran or whatever can be interpreted in whatever way you need to in order to make it fit. I know this seems obvious to many but people still ask these questions so maybe it's not? We tend to ignore the vengeful parts of Yahweh. But it's our society around the religion that has "moved on" not the religion or the bible itself. I hazard to guess if roles were entirely reversed today and religions swapped so that the middle east was all variations of christians, they would find room in the bible to justify their anger and violence. Yes, the Quaran has many violent sections but far out man, some of the bible is vicious aha The Qaran didn't stop these societies from "developing" how we did technologically etc, resources did!! Indeed. However, something has changed within the Christian religion whereby they're not raiding Jerusalem in the name of the almighty or burning witches. Being in a backward shithole doesn't make it ok to kill innocent people. I maintain it hasn't changed in the religion it has changed in society. And do you know what I believe that change to be? Prosperity Plain and simple. And sorry to remind you but "we" still have been bombing the shit out of and arming militants in holy lands and people like George Bush still did so with prayers and god bless americas......... Well it looks like the Middle East is screwed then. That's because in these societies there is only prosperity for the select few ruling elites, not the people as a whole.
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AzzaMarch wrote:BETHFC wrote:Davide82 wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:is there any non muslim here who has actually studied the Quran and islamic culture? Maybe what we need is western countries to investigate Islam as to whether its actually compatible with western values. I know people hate hearing about Christianity's shady past with violence and terror coz it's 2016 now but it does show one thing and that is the bible or the quaran or whatever can be interpreted in whatever way you need to in order to make it fit. I know this seems obvious to many but people still ask these questions so maybe it's not? We tend to ignore the vengeful parts of Yahweh. But it's our society around the religion that has "moved on" not the religion or the bible itself. I hazard to guess if roles were entirely reversed today and religions swapped so that the middle east was all variations of christians, they would find room in the bible to justify their anger and violence. Yes, the Quaran has many violent sections but far out man, some of the bible is vicious aha The Qaran didn't stop these societies from "developing" how we did technologically etc, resources did!! Indeed. However, something has changed within the Christian religion whereby they're not raiding Jerusalem in the name of the almighty or burning witches. Being in a backward shithole doesn't make it ok to kill innocent people. Nothing has changed within the Christian religion. What has changed is the societies that the Christian religion exists predominantly in (The West) doesn't take it seriously anymore. And by seriously I mean that there is a separation of church and state, the churches have no legal powers of control etc. Go have a look in some African failed states and you will see that Christians can be just as vicious against muslims as muslims are against Christians. The issue is that the countries in the middle east are violent societies ruled by authoritarian regimes, or straight-up dictatorships. Violent extremist islam evolved as a response to this. Ultimately the problem is one of society, not just religion. But turning middle eastern countries into democracies with rule of law, separation of church and state???? Good luck! And yet most would be terrorists were born and raised in Western Countries.
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Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote: Don't wish to discuss this with someone who takes the deaths of innocence seriously.
:lol: No worries, man. Nice work. Well you obviously get some sick enjoyment out of it. Aha I assumed you were joking... You really are struggling to keep up Have a good weekend, man. It was meant to have doesn't. Either way way. You get the drift. I understood your typo and I still think you're a dickhead IF that's what you think of me and that's what you got out of me taking the piss out of Aikhme or whoever it was' comments re immigration when 2 commnest later i clarified how disgusting and barbaric this act was. If you didn't see that then no worries, sorry for the confusion Don't misrepresent my comments. I only said that Australia should bias its immigration towards Nations with similar values and ideals as us. There is nothing wrong with this idea at all. In fact it is very sensible.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:So the apparent driver of the truck was a petty criminal known to police but not on any terrorism watchlist and no group has so far claimed responsibility ISIL have claimed responsibility.
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scott21 wrote:Aikhme wrote:
Australians never think straight because they haven't seen adversity like Europeans have.
Until you have lived with the m,menace being talked about, many Aussies just think the problem will go away by hugging a tree or the nearest Muslim or start a "Ride with me hashtag campaign".
My wife asked me how I felt when after the Sydney chocolate shop attack. I said "how do you feel? it may as well be in the city here". Any attack on the west imo is an attack on Australia also. It's getting closer and closer to our shores.
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Iridium1010 wrote:Maybe what we need is western countries to investigate Islam as to whether its actually compatible with western values.
Edited by iridium1010: 15/7/2016 04:59:49 PM What's there to "investigate"? Its clearly not. Submit, convert, or the sword. You want a recent view of the endgame when enough of the population is Islamic? Research Kosovo- the "nation" Australia and the rest of the world fell over itself to recognise once it came under the control of Muslim Albanians. But that was somebody else's problem, a victory for "democracy" where "democracy" means breed more than the locals and then claim independence. Might take 50 or so years.
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Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison.
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mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. If you restrict the Islamic Intake, you won't have China's problem or need to control anything. BTW, it's not just China. There are issues in every country where there are large Islamic populations. Look at what hapenned to Bosnia. Look at France, Germany, UK, Sweden etc etc. That will be Australia in due course unless we address this right now! Edited by Aikhme: 15/7/2016 07:20:33 PM
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Aikhme wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote: Don't wish to discuss this with someone who takes the deaths of innocence seriously.
:lol: No worries, man. Nice work. Well you obviously get some sick enjoyment out of it. Aha I assumed you were joking... You really are struggling to keep up Have a good weekend, man. It was meant to have doesn't. Either way way. You get the drift. I understood your typo and I still think you're a dickhead IF that's what you think of me and that's what you got out of me taking the piss out of Aikhme or whoever it was' comments re immigration when 2 commnest later i clarified how disgusting and barbaric this act was. If you didn't see that then no worries, sorry for the confusion Don't misrepresent my comments. I only said that Australia should bias its immigration towards Nations with similar values and ideals as us. There is nothing wrong with this idea at all. In fact it is very sensible. Once upon a time the values brought by the Greeks and every other European were not similar enough either. Lets not judge one people but a few stupid ones. I'm shocked to read how intolerant some of you football supporters are. Hasn't the world game taught you anything about inclusiveness? "Terrorism" became a big thing after we started to invade Islamic nations and tried to force our values on them. Our government should allow other countries to make their own decisions instead of getting involved. That might solve the problem of why these "terrorists" had western countries so much.
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mcjules wrote:Viet Guy wrote:You dont know xinjiang muslims expansion and want separatist. Please dont talk about china politics here. Its not Australia. Not like it. Dont make this comparison. I'd rather not talk about chinese politics here either, especially with you. My opinion is the state trying to control religions has limited efficacy and China is an example where that is the case. Perfectly valid comparison. But you know nothing about it to make a comparison. He just said. You have nothing but western preconceptions.
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scott21 wrote:Aikhme wrote:
Australians never think straight because they haven't seen adversity like Europeans have.
Until you have lived with the m,menace being talked about, many Aussies just think the problem will go away by hugging a tree or the nearest Muslim or start a "Ride with me hashtag campaign".
My wife asked me how I felt when after the Sydney chocolate shop attack. I said "how do you feel? it may as well be in the city here". Any attack on the west imo is an attack on Australia also. That's not adversity. Its adversity when you live and fight against it for 100's of years. To those who have experienced that adversity, none of the actions of Islamists is a surprise.
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:Aikhme wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:Davide82 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote: Don't wish to discuss this with someone who takes the deaths of innocence seriously.
:lol: No worries, man. Nice work. Well you obviously get some sick enjoyment out of it. Aha I assumed you were joking... You really are struggling to keep up Have a good weekend, man. It was meant to have doesn't. Either way way. You get the drift. I understood your typo and I still think you're a dickhead IF that's what you think of me and that's what you got out of me taking the piss out of Aikhme or whoever it was' comments re immigration when 2 commnest later i clarified how disgusting and barbaric this act was. If you didn't see that then no worries, sorry for the confusion Don't misrepresent my comments. I only said that Australia should bias its immigration towards Nations with similar values and ideals as us. There is nothing wrong with this idea at all. In fact it is very sensible. Once upon a time the values brought by the Greeks and every other European were not similar enough either. Lets not judge one people but a few stupid ones. I'm shocked to read how intolerant some of you football supporters are. Hasn't the world game taught you anything about inclusiveness? "Terrorism" became a big thing after we started to invade Islamic nations and tried to force our values on them. Our government should allow other countries to make their own decisions instead of getting involved. That might solve the problem of why these "terrorists" had western countries so much. That's totally nonsense. Greeks and Italians and Europeans in general have virtually the same ideals and values as Australians. Pillars of Western Civilisation were sown by the Ancient Greeks and Romans remember? Everything right down to democracy. They not only integrate and socialise well, but they thrive economically and culturally. Edited by Aikhme: 15/7/2016 07:23:26 PM
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