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All the talk pre and post election was how Trump was Putin's puppet, but him being Bannon's puppet is a much much more worrying prospect.

I read all of these newspapers with the exception to Ninemsn. News.com is the most entertaining overall but nothing beats the comment sections of SMH (Sydney vs Melb, Cyclist vs Motorist, Climate Science vs Climate Sceptics). It's fucking gold.

The right only label the ABC as leftist because they substantiate their articles with facts & evidence.
Facts & evidence is the antithesis of right wing ideology.

Say it another 100 hundred times and the boogey man appears

-PB

I love how the left justify their bias by arguing its because they specialise in "facts and truth". In fact the further left you go, society seems to reordered so the communists are in the centre, and everybody else is on the right, with the liberals right on the cliff with Nazi Germany. Its incredible isnt it, the mental gymnastics people play to justify their bias and argue their views are objective, undiluted truth, while everyone else is just a bigoted, prejudiced moron. Its almost like they are beyond human, impervious to influence from social environment, genes, upbringing, emotions unlike all the other mortals out there, no they have risen above all of that and sit firmly aloft the cloud of truth. Joffatossa is just one of wankers drowning in bias everyday and just cant see it because that would contradict his emotional need to feel intellectually superior to everybody.

You and Joffatossa represent the stupid in both sides of the spectrum. Also I think Joffatossa might just be a troll.

When trolls meet trolls....

I have no doubt that the people posting in these threads have genuine beliefs one way or another and care about the subject but most are posting hyperbole to raise a reaction. It's a pity. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-extremists-program-exclusiv-idUSKBN15G5VO

The Trump administration wants to revamp and rename a U.S. government program designed to counter all violent ideologies so that it focuses solely on Islamist extremism, five people briefed on the matter told Reuters.

The program, "Countering Violent Extremism," or CVE, would be changed to "Countering Islamic Extremism" or "Countering Radical Islamic Extremism," the sources said, and would no longer target groups such as white supremacists who have also carried out bombings and shootings in the United States.

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Such a change would reflect Trump's election campaign rhetoric and criticism of former President Barack Obama for being weak in the fight against Islamic State and for refusing to use the phrase "radical Islam" in describing it. Islamic State has claimed responsibility for attacks on civilians in several countries.

The CVE program aims to deter groups or potential lone attackers through community partnerships and educational programs or counter-messaging campaigns in cooperation with companies such as Google (GOOGL.O) and Facebook (FB.O).

Some proponents of the program fear that rebranding it could make it more difficult for the government to work with Muslims already hesitant to trust the new administration, particularly after Trump issued an executive order last Friday temporarily blocking travel to the United States from seven predominantly Muslim countries.

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Still, the CVE program, which focuses on U.S. residents and is separate from a military effort to fight extremism online, has been criticized even by some supporters as ineffective.

A source who has worked closely with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on the program said Trump transition team members first met with a CVE task force in December and floated the idea of changing the name and focus. 

In a meeting last Thursday attended by senior staff for DHS Secretary John Kelly, government employees were asked to defend why they chose certain community organizations as recipients of CVE program grants, said the source, who requested anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the discussions.

Although CVE funding has been appropriated by Congress and the grant recipients were notified in the final days of the Obama administration, the money still may not go out the door, the source said, adding that Kelly is reviewing the matter.

The department declined comment. The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

PROGRAM CRITICIZED

Some Republicans in Congress have long assailed the program as politically correct and ineffective, asserting that singling out and using the term "radical Islam" as the trigger for many violent attacks would help focus deterrence efforts.

Others counter that branding the problem as "radical Islam" would only serve to alienate more than three million Americans who practice Islam peacefully.

Many community groups, meanwhile, had already been cautious about the program, partly over concerns that it could double as a surveillance tool for law enforcement.

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Hoda Hawa, director of policy for the Muslim Public Affairs Council, said she was told last week by people within DHS that there was a push to refocus the CVE effort from tackling all violent ideology to only Islamist extremism.

"That is concerning for us because they are targeting a faith group and casting it under a net of suspicion," she said.

Another source familiar with the matter was told last week by a DHS official that a name change would take place. Three other sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said such plans had been discussed but were unable to attest whether they had been finalized.

The Obama administration sought to foster relationships with community groups to engage them in the counterterrorism effort. In 2016, Congress appropriated $10 million in grants for CVE efforts and DHS awarded the first round of grants on Jan. 13, a week before Trump was inaugurated.

Among those approved were local governments, city police departments, universities and non-profit organizations. In addition to organizations dedicated to combating Islamic State's recruitment in the United States, grants also went to Life After Hate, which rehabilitates former neo-Nazis and other domestic extremists.

Just in the past two years, authorities blamed radical and violent ideologies as the motives for a white supremacist's shooting rampage inside a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina and Islamist militants for shootings and bombings in California, Florida and New York.

One grant recipient, Leaders Advancing & Helping Communities, a Michigan-based group led by Lebanese-Americans, has declined a $500,000 DHS grant it had sought, according to an email the group sent that was seen by Reuters. A representative for the group confirmed the grant had been rejected but declined further comment. 

"Given the current political climate and cause for concern, LAHC has chosen to decline the award," said the email, which was sent last Thursday, a day before Trump issued his immigration order, which was condemned at home and abroad as discriminating against Muslims while the White House said it was to "to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals.

Go ahead and try to defend this.

Edit: By the way, yeah Clinton and Trump are totally just like each other. No difference at all.

Clinton what?

You don't think she would have kept up the bombing of ME countries and the war machine kicking over? :lol:

-PB

She was raring to go with Russia.

Time to reach majority disapproval:

Reagan - 727 days
Bush Snr - 1336 days
Clinton - 573 days
Bush Jnr - 1205 days
Obama - 936 days

Trump - 8 SOLITARY DAYS!!!!!!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/30/president-donald-trump-smashes-record-get-fastest-majority-disapproval/

"But we didn't realise"
Yes, that's because you're dumb cnuts & dumb cnuts put little effort into thinking and say things like "he's a straight talker!". Hence the label 'dumb cnut'

He won mate. The sooner you let it go the sooner you will find peace.

I can imagine in, say, 3 years time as we're dragged into a war with Iran & questions are raised about the reasons for it while casualties pile up, the response from the right will be "suck shit, we were de winnerz!"

And what's your prediction for how long it would've taken Hilary to go to war with another country?

China has a greater reliance on Middle Eastern oil than the US. The west should hand the toilet bowl over to them and then double down on electric cars.

Well, the Dems didn't send troops into Syria, pushed for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq & Afghanistan while the Reps railed against it, didn't use the language "bomb the shit out of them" during the election campaign & the Reps love guns, so pretty self explanatory.

Not that it was the point of my basic fukcing statement. FMD.

Hillary, the alleged champion of womens rights, accepting millions of $$$$for her campaign from..........Saudi (where women are outlawed from driving). Shes in bed with Soros. Shes a proven liar. Shes married to a self confessed philanderer and accused rapist/who settled out of court ie paid his way out of charges, AND according to Juanita Broaddrick, who is one of her husbands many sexual victims, hillary actually intimidates her husbands victims into silence. She is a despicable person. Trump may be bad, but shes off the meter duplicitous evil witch. 

And anyway like tsf says she was utterly gagging for war with russia. Do you listen to any of the shit you go on about?

Just calm down Salmon Lebeouf...and remember....HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US. HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US. HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US. Lol.

Keep left unless overtaking.......and a million other cliches.. youre a cliche bot.

Typical right winger - make shit up. Live in alternative reality. No wonder you guys believe in sky fairies.

Wut. Rusty just obliterated you with that point. Weak. Hes right you actually do have your head up your ass. No one in their right mind would even contemplate arguing that the american mainstream media isnt against trump. And only a truly objective observer can make the point rusty just did about the blatant hypocrisy in our own politics. You approach politics like football...gotta have a team.. parochial fool. 

 Yes, the media should call out a bullshit artist

And you approach politics like most - an uniformed dumb cnut, who likes to think he's informed

Lol. Idiot. Im an athiest who once considered himslef left, but now finds himself not wanting anything to do with politics all together ( like the rest of us normal people who reside in the sane area of the political spectrum)..

Point out where i made shit up. Saudi donations? Soros? Her husbands philandering and sexual assualts?  ALL DOCUMENTED FACT. Or are you gonna start defending rapey bill and maniacal soros now? 

Youre a lost little lamb.

Typical. No argument. Just ad hominem attack. The 442 manifesto.

Internal polling done by major parties in Australia in the past found that swinging voters aren't informed at all, even though they like to think they are by proclaiming 'I don't pick sides'. In fact, swinging voters only tend to decide on their vote in the week leading up to the election & vote out of narrow self interest, looking only at a couple of issues

Completely avoided my arguments. All of them. The davide school of debate. You guys should go smash up some starbucks together.

:laugh: right wingers live in an alternate reality? Get your hand off it mate lefties live in a world of 'if only's" :laugh:

just remember what the great greek Georgios Kyriacos Panayiotou once said in a song:

"All we have to do now

is take these lies

and make them true somehow"