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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUK politics in the pits, I love it -PB The pollies know that if they don't do Brexit there is going to be unprecedented civil unrest however it's been obvious from the get go that them & luvvie darlings, the corporate & media establishment don't want it. Rock & a hard place for Boris & the gang. Like it or not you can't have a referendum and not go through with the decision the country came to. What did they decide on? In my opinion they marginally agreed to do something that could mean a multitude of different things over something that had only one meaning (aka status quo). If non-binding referendums are so sacrosanct then in my opinion they should hold another to see if people actually agree with the deal or not. If they can get an agreement on the floor of the house then that'd be fine too but they can't. +x+x+x+x+xUK politics in the pits, I love it -PB The pollies know that if they don't do Brexit there is going to be unprecedented civil unrest however it's been obvious from the get go that them & luvvie darlings, the corporate & media establishment don't want it. Rock & a hard place for Boris & the gang. Like it or not you can't have a referendum and not go through with the decision the country came to. What did they decide on? In my opinion they marginally agreed to do something that could mean a multitude of different things over something that had only one meaning (aka status quo). If non-binding referendums are so sacrosanct then in my opinion they should hold another to see if people actually agree with the deal or not. If they can get an agreement on the floor of the house then that'd be fine too but they can't. Yup, people didn't know what they were voting for and its clear to see when all the people who orchestrated that movement (Farrage etc) have all since bailed out lol. -PB "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"Pretty obvious isn't it? If you aren't going to abide by one referendum why the hell would you have another one? But nah, let's just keep asking the question in different ways until we get the response from the public that we want! They can still abide by the referendum, just leave with a deal. -PB Exactly. All I'm saying is they can't agree on how to leave, how do you resolve that? If they can't do it on the floor of parliament and the "will of the people" is so important, get the answer from them. Then in reality the new referendum question should be: Does Britain - (a) Leave with the deal negotiated? or (b) Leave without a deal? (Hard Brexit.) Perhaps, but it doesn't consider the situation of a Leave voter that wanted to leave with a very different deal and would rather stay in the EU from the realistic options. To me this is not a situation of "ignoring or disregarding the first result" but rather "now that you have all information on the table, what do you think is the best outcome?" I don't have a horse in this race and really I'm just following it for the shits and giggles but as to what you say I would counter with 'well that was up to the remain camp to explain prior to the vote'. Mind you I'm betting a fair chunk of the leavers would be regretting their vote now. How about this though? https://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-is-the-eu-is-top-google-search-in-uk-after-brexit-2016-6?r=US&IR=Thttps://www.macleans.ca/politics/worldpolitics/what-were-googles-most-frequent-searches-after-brexit/https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/24/480949383/britains-google-searches-for-what-is-the-eu-spike-after-brexit-voteTalk about an 'informed' democracy.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUK politics in the pits, I love it -PB The pollies know that if they don't do Brexit there is going to be unprecedented civil unrest however it's been obvious from the get go that them & luvvie darlings, the corporate & media establishment don't want it. Rock & a hard place for Boris & the gang. Like it or not you can't have a referendum and not go through with the decision the country came to. What did they decide on? In my opinion they marginally agreed to do something that could mean a multitude of different things over something that had only one meaning (aka status quo). If non-binding referendums are so sacrosanct then in my opinion they should hold another to see if people actually agree with the deal or not. If they can get an agreement on the floor of the house then that'd be fine too but they can't. +x+x+x+x+xUK politics in the pits, I love it -PB The pollies know that if they don't do Brexit there is going to be unprecedented civil unrest however it's been obvious from the get go that them & luvvie darlings, the corporate & media establishment don't want it. Rock & a hard place for Boris & the gang. Like it or not you can't have a referendum and not go through with the decision the country came to. What did they decide on? In my opinion they marginally agreed to do something that could mean a multitude of different things over something that had only one meaning (aka status quo). If non-binding referendums are so sacrosanct then in my opinion they should hold another to see if people actually agree with the deal or not. If they can get an agreement on the floor of the house then that'd be fine too but they can't. Yup, people didn't know what they were voting for and its clear to see when all the people who orchestrated that movement (Farrage etc) have all since bailed out lol. -PB "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"Pretty obvious isn't it? If you aren't going to abide by one referendum why the hell would you have another one? But nah, let's just keep asking the question in different ways until we get the response from the public that we want! They can still abide by the referendum, just leave with a deal. -PB Exactly. All I'm saying is they can't agree on how to leave, how do you resolve that? If they can't do it on the floor of parliament and the "will of the people" is so important, get the answer from them. Then in reality the new referendum question should be: Does Britain - (a) Leave with the deal negotiated? or (b) Leave without a deal? (Hard Brexit.) Perhaps, but it doesn't consider the situation of a Leave voter that wanted to leave with a very different deal and would rather stay in the EU from the realistic options. To me this is not a situation of "ignoring or disregarding the first result" but rather "now that you have all information on the table, what do you think is the best outcome?" I don't have a horse in this race and really I'm just following it for the shits and giggles but as to what you say I would counter with 'well that was up to the remain camp to explain prior to the vote'. Mind you I'm betting a fair chunk of the leavers would be regretting their vote now. How about this though? https://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-is-the-eu-is-top-google-search-in-uk-after-brexit-2016-6?r=US&IR=Thttps://www.macleans.ca/politics/worldpolitics/what-were-googles-most-frequent-searches-after-brexit/https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/24/480949383/britains-google-searches-for-what-is-the-eu-spike-after-brexit-voteTalk about an 'informed' democracy. I have citizenship to an EU nation so I guess I have some sort of horse in the race but apart from that I'm also mainly looking on in bemusement. I do like the argument that the onus is on the remain camp that the leave side were making ridiculous promises that weren't remotely possible. Never been a fan of direct democracy, there's no way the average joe (that includes all of us here with other careers) can be across all the details and make well informed policy decisions. Electing representatives to parliament is a far better way.
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I just love how farmers are getting interviewed saying the want to leave so all the Pols will piss off and stop ruining their towns, but then are left with the prospect of having to pay someone a living wage to work their fields rofl. -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUK politics in the pits, I love it -PB The pollies know that if they don't do Brexit there is going to be unprecedented civil unrest however it's been obvious from the get go that them & luvvie darlings, the corporate & media establishment don't want it. Rock & a hard place for Boris & the gang. Like it or not you can't have a referendum and not go through with the decision the country came to. What did they decide on? In my opinion they marginally agreed to do something that could mean a multitude of different things over something that had only one meaning (aka status quo). If non-binding referendums are so sacrosanct then in my opinion they should hold another to see if people actually agree with the deal or not. If they can get an agreement on the floor of the house then that'd be fine too but they can't. +x+x+x+x+xUK politics in the pits, I love it -PB The pollies know that if they don't do Brexit there is going to be unprecedented civil unrest however it's been obvious from the get go that them & luvvie darlings, the corporate & media establishment don't want it. Rock & a hard place for Boris & the gang. Like it or not you can't have a referendum and not go through with the decision the country came to. What did they decide on? In my opinion they marginally agreed to do something that could mean a multitude of different things over something that had only one meaning (aka status quo). If non-binding referendums are so sacrosanct then in my opinion they should hold another to see if people actually agree with the deal or not. If they can get an agreement on the floor of the house then that'd be fine too but they can't. Yup, people didn't know what they were voting for and its clear to see when all the people who orchestrated that movement (Farrage etc) have all since bailed out lol. -PB "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"Pretty obvious isn't it? If you aren't going to abide by one referendum why the hell would you have another one? But nah, let's just keep asking the question in different ways until we get the response from the public that we want! The question has a gap because the terms of leaving were not established. I think the extension to January 2020 will happen and there will be a general election which will be run on the following 4 options: - Hard Brexit - Negotiate a deal as favourably as the Government can, and if not attainable, hard Brexit - Negotiate a deal as favourably as the Government can, and if not attainable, remain - Remain 1, 2, 3 and 4 are unlikely. In rough numbers this is my understanding; 1/3 of parliament want a no deal brexit. 1/3 want the deal 1/3 want to stay ......hence the giant clusterfuck of an impasse. Because not 1 option of the above is compatible with any other option. There's no end in sight for this. My 2 and 3 options will force the middle 1/3rd who want a deal to pick a side. The whole thing is a cluster fuck and I agree with mcjules assessment, people did not know what they were voting for. The problem is half the damage has been done as a lot of companies have relocated to the continent.
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Respect to his brother for doing that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUK politics in the pits, I love it -PB The pollies know that if they don't do Brexit there is going to be unprecedented civil unrest however it's been obvious from the get go that them & luvvie darlings, the corporate & media establishment don't want it. Rock & a hard place for Boris & the gang. Like it or not you can't have a referendum and not go through with the decision the country came to. What did they decide on? In my opinion they marginally agreed to do something that could mean a multitude of different things over something that had only one meaning (aka status quo). If non-binding referendums are so sacrosanct then in my opinion they should hold another to see if people actually agree with the deal or not. If they can get an agreement on the floor of the house then that'd be fine too but they can't. +x+x+x+x+xUK politics in the pits, I love it -PB The pollies know that if they don't do Brexit there is going to be unprecedented civil unrest however it's been obvious from the get go that them & luvvie darlings, the corporate & media establishment don't want it. Rock & a hard place for Boris & the gang. Like it or not you can't have a referendum and not go through with the decision the country came to. What did they decide on? In my opinion they marginally agreed to do something that could mean a multitude of different things over something that had only one meaning (aka status quo). If non-binding referendums are so sacrosanct then in my opinion they should hold another to see if people actually agree with the deal or not. If they can get an agreement on the floor of the house then that'd be fine too but they can't. Yup, people didn't know what they were voting for and its clear to see when all the people who orchestrated that movement (Farrage etc) have all since bailed out lol. -PB "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"Pretty obvious isn't it? If you aren't going to abide by one referendum why the hell would you have another one? But nah, let's just keep asking the question in different ways until we get the response from the public that we want! They can still abide by the referendum, just leave with a deal. -PB Exactly. All I'm saying is they can't agree on how to leave, how do you resolve that? If they can't do it on the floor of parliament and the "will of the people" is so important, get the answer from them. Then in reality the new referendum question should be: Does Britain - (a) Leave with the deal negotiated? or (b) Leave without a deal? (Hard Brexit.) Perhaps, but it doesn't consider the situation of a Leave voter that wanted to leave with a very different deal and would rather stay in the EU from the realistic options. To me this is not a situation of "ignoring or disregarding the first result" but rather "now that you have all information on the table, what do you think is the best outcome?" To be honest if those britons who voted leave ever had reservations leaving the EU they never should have voted to leave in the first place. Imagine having a "now that you have all information on the table, what do you think is the best outcome?" vote 6 months after every state or federal election. We might as well become an authoritarian state and let some dictator make the decisions for us.
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Snorted louldy  -PB
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do people in melbourne like the afl grand final friday public holiday?
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As fucked as our politicians are, at least we're not the UK or the USA lul -PB
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+xAs fucked as our politicians are, at least we're not the UK or the USA lul -PB Hahahaha Boris is farked. Trump looking ordinary too.
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+xdo people in melbourne like the afl grand final friday public holiday? Everyone likes public holidays. :w00t: People who may despise the VFL will like the public holiday also.
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+x+xAs fucked as our politicians are, at least we're not the UK or the USA lul -PB Hahahaha Boris is farked. Trump looking ordinary too. Trump will slither his way out of the Ukraine / Pelosi, mess, the end game is 19 republicans candidates have to break ranks, ( if only ).
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New board FFA asleep at the wheel.
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Stuff happening in Lebanon is fascinating. -PB
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+xStuff happening in Lebanon is fascinating. -PB Keep Israel & America out of their internal affairs & they'll sort it out without resorting to a Syrian style situation.
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+x+xAs fucked as our politicians are, at least we're not the UK or the USA lul -PB Hahahaha Boris is farked. Trump looking ordinary too. Doesn't look like they are farked! Looks like Christmas if you ask me!
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Trump vs Trump. From about the 4 minute mark. No one can contradict Trump quite like Trump.
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+xTrump vs Trump. From about the 4 minute mark. No one can contradict Trump quite like Trump. Jingle Bells jingle bells, jingle all the way!
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Impeachment is full scale ahead haha -PB
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+xImpeachment is full scale ahead haha -PB Isnt it wonderful.
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+xImpeachment is full scale ahead haha -PB Where have we heard that before? It's ok to dream I suppose.
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+x+xImpeachment is full scale ahead haha -PB Where have we heard that before? It's ok to dream I suppose. They wanted to impeach Clinton as well for getting busy with Monica. Democrats know they are going to get destroyed in the 2020 election by Trump, this move is a last chance saloon act of desperation.
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+x+x+xImpeachment is full scale ahead haha -PB Where have we heard that before? It's ok to dream I suppose. They wanted to impeach Clinton as well for getting busy with Monica. Democrats know they are going to get destroyed in the 2020 election by Trump, this move is a last chance saloon act of desperation. Trump will romp it in in 2020.
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