Quick research shows that the first website is anti-islamic.

If we do want to pick and choose, then what about this from the wiki page:



Muslim Brotherhood started off as a very strong organisation and people took that extreme to a new level, but they have since denounced violence and began to work on a more democratic and functioning society.

Somehow they see burning down churches and restricting women's rights as part of setting up a more democratic and functioning society.

Sorry I don't buy it. Yes they started out as fairly apolitical back in the 1920s-30s but much has changed since then. All you have quoted above amounts to nothing more than MB's political advertising/spin. What they instituted in the 12 months they were in power is pretty much the exact opposite of that.

Just like communists always advertised that it was only in their countries where people were truly free while putting people in gulags and denying them basic human rights.

North Korean defectors give evidence on prison abusesUN panel in Seoul hears of guards chopping off a man's finger and forcing a mother to kill her own baby
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The UN panel hears from Shin Dong-hyuk, a North Korean prison camp survivor. Photograph: Kim Hong-ji/Reuters
Public executions and torture are daily occurrences in North Korea's prisons, according to testimony from former inmates at a UN commission of inquiry that opened in Seoul on Tuesday.

It is the first time Pyongyang's human rights record has been examined by an expert panel. It denies that it abuses human rights, refuses to recognise the commission and has blocked access to investigators.

Harrowing accounts from defectors now living in South Korea related how guards chopped off a man's finger, forced inmates to eat frogs and a mother to kill her own baby.

"I had no idea at all … I thought my whole hand was going to be cut off at the wrist, so I felt thankful and grateful that only my finger was cut off," said Shin Dong-hyuk, punished for dropping a sewing machine.

Born in a prison called Camp 14 and forced to watch the execution of his mother and brother whom he turned in for his own survival, Shin is North Korea's best-known defector and camp survivor. He said he believed the UN panel was the only way to improve human rights in the isolated and impoverished state.

"Because the North Korean people cannot stand up with guns like Libya and Syria … I personally think this is the first and last hope left," Shin said. "There is a lot for them to cover up, even though they don't admit to anything."

There are 150,000 to 200,000 people in North Korean prison camps, according to independent estimates, and defectors say many inmates are malnourished or worked to death.

After more than 18 months ruling North Korea, Kim Jong-un has shown few signs of changing the rigid rule of his father, Kim Jong-il, and grandfather Kim Il-sung.

Jee Heon-a, 34, told the commission that from the first day of her incarceration in 1999 she discovered that salted frogs were one of the few things to eat.

"Everyone's eyes were sunken. They all looked like animals. Frogs were hung from the buttons of their clothes, put in a plastic bag and their skins peeled off," she said. "They ate salted frogs and so did I."

Speaking softly, she took a deep breath when describing in detail how a mother was forced to kill her own baby. "It was the first time I had seen a newborn baby and I felt happy. But suddenly there were footsteps and a security guard came in and told the mother to turn the baby upside down into a bowl of water," she said.

"The mother begged the guard to spare her, but he kept beating her. So the mother, her hands shaking, put the baby face down in the water. The crying stopped and a bubble rose up as it died. A grandmother who had delivered the baby quietly took it out."

Few experts expect the commission to have an immediate impact, but it will serve to publicise a campaign that has little visibility globally.

"The UN has tried various ways to pressure North Korea over the years in the field of human rights, and this is a way to raise the pressure a bit," said Bill Schabas, professor of international law at Middlesex University.

"But it's obvious that North Korea is a tough nut to crack and the UN's means are limited. There would need to be profound political changes in North Korea to make headway in the field of human rights."

There appeared to be little interest in the issue in Seoul. Only a few dozen people, including journalists, attended the public hearing at a city centre university.

Defectors are largely shunned or ignored in South Korea and eke out an existence in menial jobs, if they have work at all, according to official data.

Kim Jong-un stepped up the nuclear weapons and rocket programmes launched by his father with a third nuclear test and two rocket launches, and emphasises the military in his speeches.

This year, he threatened the United States, South Korea and Japan with a nuclear attack. Although the country's bellicose moves were dismissed as empty rhetoric, Kim succeeded in driving tension on the divided Korean peninsula sharply higher.

The hope of many activists would be for the Kim dynasty to fall and for leaders in Pyongyang to be put on trial at the international criminal court (ICC) in The Hague, although the UN commission says this is not possible for the moment.

On its website, the commission said it was not appropriate to comment on any ICC jurisdiction over potential crimes against humanity as North Korea had not signed the statutes that would enable the court to prosecute.

Activists said word of the commission would seep into North Korea via unofficial contacts maintained by families. "People living their daily lives here don't realise how important this is. It will have a tremendously powerful impact across North Korea," said Kim Sang-hun, the chairman of the Database Centre for North Korean Human Rights, a South Korean group.

Its amazing to think that in a democratic election, the people would elect the MB to lead them when all they do is burn down churches and restrict womens rights.

You buy one side of propoganda. Silly me to think you would actualyl take all sides in to account and make an informed decision.

Continue to browse your ill informed biased websites.

Id like to know your view on the term Islamist too. It seems that you all seem to think that once something is considered Islamist, its bad. Its amazing how the media can takes words and make them seem wrong isnt it. Just for the record, my brother was labelled an Islamist by The Australian.

Edited by zimbos_05: 21/8/2013 10:18:07 AM

A pretty guesome tale out of North Korea. Sort of re-affirming what we probably already know, but don't want to think too much about. Another country with little to no-hope.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/20/north-korean-defectors-prison-abuses

And this is perhaps why you take such an extreme position on this.

Are you saying that MB DID NOT burn down churches and restrict women's rights? Amongst other things they did...

Are you saying that MB just went about their business of establishing a fair, pluralist society where everyone has equal rights and no one is persecuted? Because that is what your quote alleges.

I think you live in a parallel universe where you believe that Islam is just misunderstood and atrocities committed by terrorists and extreme Islamist governments in the name of Islam (which they have no problem telling us, it's just that the West has a problem believing them) are really no more than exaggerations by a hostile West and its media.

It may be convenient for you to think so as the truth is more difficult to accept. All religious fundamentalists are delusional in this way, not just Muslim ones.

Not acting under the banner of Islam, isn't that what Jihad is all about?

Isn't that what the aim of Islam was to begin with?

To have all lands under Islam and the word of Allah (and to not stop until such a point is reached)?

-PB

What do you mean by, isnt that what Jihad is all about?


I seriously hope you not serious.

Jihad means struggle. Weve been through this. Talking on these forums is a jihad at the moment.

The aim of Islam is not to rule the world. Yes people are encouraged to spread the word of Islam, it is a muslims duty to spread the deen, but not by means of violence, force, intimidation, blackmail or any of those ill advised ways.

Ofc I'm not overly serious, my knowledge on the matter is very limited and I'm only just about to start reading the Quran (Kuran?).

My statement was made based on what limited knowledge I have right now hence the reading to get a better idea.

-PB

I find this quite enlightening;

http://www.answering-islam.org/Terrorism/by_the_sword.html

-PB

zimbos, if you could find me that commentary that would be good (and much appreciated) :)

-PB

Zimbos, you don't have to defend EVERY Muslim group mentioned on this forum. It IS ok to admit that some of them are assholes.

I do accept that some are assholes, i just dont think the Muslim Brotherhood are.

If anything, the military and police are to blame for the problems in Egypt.

Three blacks kill a whiteboy for "fun" where's the outrage from Obama and other outrage merchants ?



http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria/three-teens-accused-of-murder-of-baseball-player-chris-lane-identified/story-fnii5sms-1226700172461

Its the translation and commentary of the Quran by A.Yusuf Ali

When you're elected you're there to govern for the whole country, not to introduce Sharia Law to appease a portion of them.

You fail to understand that Muslim countries should try to implement Shariah law where necessary.

You fail to understand that Muslim countries should try to implement Shariah law where necessary.

You fail to understand that Muslim countries should try to implement Shariah law where necessary.

Now there are some parts of Shariah Law that are outdated or not plausible any more, those parts be changed or done away with.

So whats the good in Sharia Law and whats the bad?

Stoning your slappa GF when she goes out for a night on the piss with her lady friends.

-PB

Then it's not really Sharia Law, is it? #-o

Hence, abiding by Australian law would ultimately be upholding your Islamic obligation that Shariah Law conducts you to do.