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Great article in todays Guardian about Futsal in England. Information about the game is scarce but as many more are now saying this is a great player development tool for kids 7-13 years of age. It replicates Small Sided Games and is the new Street Football. Quote:[size=6]Could futsal be the key to unlocking talent in England's next generation?The FA is finally embracing futsal, with the game growing on these shores and clubs implementing it into their academies[/size] Cesc Fábregas plays futsal with a children's team during a promotional event in Jakarta this week. Photograph: Beawiharta/Reuters The passing was crisp and incisive, the movement restlessly purposeful; the relentless pace of the game and ambitious dribbling on show were yielding goalscoring opportunities continuously. It was, by common consent, a feast of technical excellence, gladdening the heart of anyone keen to witness controlled creativity on a pitch. This was last weekend – but the venue was not the Olympic Stadium in Kiev, where Andrés Iniesta and the tiki-taka brigade were pulversing Andrea Pirlo's Italy in the Euro 2012 final. It was 1,600 miles away in the Birmingham Futsal Arena, where a bunch of 10-year-olds from East Hull Saints were up against Whiteknights Toffees from Reading in the national youth futsal finals. They were among the 80 junior futsal teams – boys and girls aged 10 to 16 – who had qualified for the finals of the sixth annual tournament of the booming football offshoot. Born in Uruguay in 1930, futsal is the indoor version of five-a-side football officially sanctioned by Fifa and Uefa and has become synonymous with Brazilian flair – from Pelé to Ronaldinho's dancing toe-poke goal against Chelsea in 2005. More recently, Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo and the Spanish rondo matadors have all paid tribute to the beneficial effects of playing futsal in their youth. The merits of the game itself are undeniable. It's five-a-side on amphetamines, played on an indoor court with hockey-size goals. Goalkeepers and players taking corners and kick-ins get only four seconds to distribute the ball. Technique, speed, ball mastery and possession are all vital. The English FA is, unsurprisingly, a latecomer to the party; but now that it has turned up, kicked off its Dr Martens and hung up its duffle coat, it's actually starting to get down to the samba beat. This year's national youth futsal tournament was easily the biggest in its brief six-year history. More than 1,200 teams were whittled down through 25 county FA competitions and eight regional finals. Played against the backdrop of the latest biennial outburst of introspection triggered by the England team's display in an international tournament, the timing of the finals in Birmingham was particularly apt. "The growth of futsal fits perfectly with the way that our new developments around the young player are going," said Peter Sturgess, the FA's head of development for 5- to 11-year-old players, who doubles up as coach of the England men's futsal team. "The planets are aligning and futsal has come on to the radar just as there is a real focus on technical development, possession-based games, real game understanding and tactical nous. I think the two – technical development and futsal – go hand in hand," he added. The usual culprits for English football's failings have been brought before the court yet again in the past 10 days. At the top of the game, it's either the lingering influence of the Charles Hughes POMO obsession of yesteryear, or the similarly prevalent tactical straitjacket of 4-4-2, or the Premier League clubs' obsession with foreign imports snuffing out the chances of homegrown prodigies. Down at the grassroots it's either too few decent grass pitches and the foul weather; or the army of grassroots parents and "coaches" bludgeoning eight-year-olds into winning at all costs, or too few qualified, progressive coaches working with young players, or too little funding for Charter Standard clubs. And don't forget the socially and culturally complicated demise of street football over the past 30 years. The one aspect that appears to be changing, however, is the FA's acceptance of a need for a revolution in coaching youth footballers. Two years ago we had the publication of the Future Game, an imperfect template for development of players that contains much to admire but arguably lacks a philosophical paradigm. A year earlier the FA launched its Youth Awards to end the embarrassing absence of age-appropriate, child-centred coach education. Then six weeks ago the long-awaited proposals to overhaul grassroots football – smaller pitches, smaller-sided games, child-centred competition – were approved in an attempt to dispense with the obsession with winning at the expense of development in youth football. And, of course, we've got the symbolism of the imminent opening of St George's Park, the putative crucible of training for a new generation of progressive coaches. It's not just at the grassroots where smaller-sided games have made an impression. A pioneering year-long study of the benefits of four v four games at Manchester United's academy in 2005 revealed it threw up many more opportunities for dribbling, passing, one v ones and goalscoring. The Premier League clubs now include futsal in their winter games programme for academy players. Everton's academy began experimenting with it at the start of last season. After initially playing on indoor artificial grass pitches at their Finch Farm training complex, they decided to fully embrace the game. "We really wanted to do it properly," said Neil Dewsnip, the head coach at Everton's academy. "So we contacted a local school and now once a week, we take our Under-nines, Under-10s and Under-11s over to the school hall and let them play futsal. We have a futsal player, Ray Redmond, who coaches them. And it's a case of putting them on the pitch with a futsal ball, telling them the rules and letting them get on and play. We'll do a few futsal-specific drills but essentially it's playing time. "It really slides in nicely to their games programme and we believe it can improve the allround technical ability of our players. It's played at such a high tempo that every player is constantly engaged. This can only be good for their development." Everton were among the five English clubs whose academy teams reached the finals of the Premier League futsal tournament, where they took on the might of Barcelona and the renowned Madrid-based futsal club Inter Movistar. Manchester City triumphed in the Under-12s competition. Barcelona clinched the Under-15s title. Back down at the grassroots, many Charter Standard clubs will cite the burden of extra cost and lack of indoor facilities as barriers to fully embracing futsal. For Sturgess at the FA, however, the case for more indoor futsal is unequivocal because it wins on two counts: technical development and the weather. "A typical seven-year-old doesn't have the biological or physiological capacity to deal with extremes of heat and cold," he said. "So bringing them indoors to a fairly even temperature works. From a technical point of view, they are going to get so many more touches of the ball. But it's not just the number of touches, it's the situations they occur in: they are nearly always going to be under pressure; there will always be constraints on time and space. "Grassroots junior clubs are increasingly taking kids indoors so their football development can continue in the winter months," he said. "Futsal is the vehicle for this change." The scale of these changes are difficult to estimate. In the world of FA coaching, another development over the past few years has been the rise of the buzz phrase: "Let the game be the teacher." The message is clear, the practical implications less so. But while the FA tries to get to grips with educating a new generation of coaches, it could do much worse than ensure that as many young players as possible are left in the capable hands of the great teacher of Ronaldo, Messi, Iniesta and more: futsal. A brief history of futsal • Devised by Juan Carlos Ceriani in Uruguay in 1930 as a form of five-a-side to be played in YMCAs. • Futsal is a fusion of the Spanish/Portuguese words for football (futbol) and hall (sala). • The game is predominantly played indoors on a basketball court-size pitch, with hockey-size goals and a smaller, heavier ball with a restricted bounce. Goalkeepers and players taking corners or kick-ins (no throw-ins allowed) are allowed only four seconds to distribute the ball. • Fifa research this year revealed 150 of the 209 member associations were now playing futsal – an 18% rise on 2006. The rise in participation was most marked among in Africa. • The German FA hosted its first futsal coaching course last month. • As well as being the game of choice for youngsters in South America, it is also played in schools in Spain and Portugal up to the age 11 – as well as at the famed Barcelona academy, La Masia. • The England adults' futsal team was formed in 2003. They have never qualified for the Uefa Futsal Championship or the Fifa World Futsal Cup and are ranked 90th in the world – one place behind Tahiti. Spain are in 1st.
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I was asking the state SAP trainer about the value of the futsal course for an outdoor coach. He is the instructor for it. Given the other courses I've done, or intend to do this year, he thought it may be superfluous.
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Arthur wrote:Great article in todays Guardian about Futsal in England. Information about the game is scarce but as many more are now saying this is a great player development tool for kids 7-13 years of age. It replicates Small Sided Games and is the new Street Football. Quote:[size=6]Could futsal be the key to unlocking talent in England's next generation?The FA is finally embracing futsal, with the game growing on these shores and clubs implementing it into their academies[/size]Cesc Fábregas plays futsal with a children's team during a promotional event in Jakarta this week. Photograph: Beawiharta/Reuters The passing was crisp and incisive, the movement restlessly purposeful; the relentless pace of the game and ambitious dribbling on show were yielding goalscoring opportunities continuously. It was, by common consent, a feast of technical excellence, gladdening the heart of anyone keen to witness controlled creativity on a pitch. This was last weekend – but the venue was not the Olympic Stadium in Kiev, where Andrés Iniesta and the tiki-taka brigade were pulversing Andrea Pirlo's Italy in the Euro 2012 final. It was 1,600 miles away in the Birmingham Futsal Arena, where a bunch of 10-year-olds from East Hull Saints were up against Whiteknights Toffees from Reading in the national youth futsal finals. They were among the 80 junior futsal teams – boys and girls aged 10 to 16 – who had qualified for the finals of the sixth annual tournament of the booming football offshoot. Born in Uruguay in 1930, futsal is the indoor version of five-a-side football officially sanctioned by Fifa and Uefa and has become synonymous with Brazilian flair – from Pelé to Ronaldinho's dancing toe-poke goal against Chelsea in 2005. More recently, Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo and the Spanish rondo matadors have all paid tribute to the beneficial effects of playing futsal in their youth. The merits of the game itself are undeniable. It's five-a-side on amphetamines, played on an indoor court with hockey-size goals. Goalkeepers and players taking corners and kick-ins get only four seconds to distribute the ball. Technique, speed, ball mastery and possession are all vital. The English FA is, unsurprisingly, a latecomer to the party; but now that it has turned up, kicked off its Dr Martens and hung up its duffle coat, it's actually starting to get down to the samba beat. This year's national youth futsal tournament was easily the biggest in its brief six-year history. More than 1,200 teams were whittled down through 25 county FA competitions and eight regional finals. Played against the backdrop of the latest biennial outburst of introspection triggered by the England team's display in an international tournament, the timing of the finals in Birmingham was particularly apt. "The growth of futsal fits perfectly with the way that our new developments around the young player are going," said Peter Sturgess, the FA's head of development for 5- to 11-year-old players, who doubles up as coach of the England men's futsal team. "The planets are aligning and futsal has come on to the radar just as there is a real focus on technical development, possession-based games, real game understanding and tactical nous. I think the two – technical development and futsal – go hand in hand," he added. The usual culprits for English football's failings have been brought before the court yet again in the past 10 days. At the top of the game, it's either the lingering influence of the Charles Hughes POMO obsession of yesteryear, or the similarly prevalent tactical straitjacket of 4-4-2, or the Premier League clubs' obsession with foreign imports snuffing out the chances of homegrown prodigies. Down at the grassroots it's either too few decent grass pitches and the foul weather; or the army of grassroots parents and "coaches" bludgeoning eight-year-olds into winning at all costs, or too few qualified, progressive coaches working with young players, or too little funding for Charter Standard clubs. And don't forget the socially and culturally complicated demise of street football over the past 30 years. The one aspect that appears to be changing, however, is the FA's acceptance of a need for a revolution in coaching youth footballers. Two years ago we had the publication of the Future Game, an imperfect template for development of players that contains much to admire but arguably lacks a philosophical paradigm. A year earlier the FA launched its Youth Awards to end the embarrassing absence of age-appropriate, child-centred coach education. Then six weeks ago the long-awaited proposals to overhaul grassroots football – smaller pitches, smaller-sided games, child-centred competition – were approved in an attempt to dispense with the obsession with winning at the expense of development in youth football. And, of course, we've got the symbolism of the imminent opening of St George's Park, the putative crucible of training for a new generation of progressive coaches. It's not just at the grassroots where smaller-sided games have made an impression. A pioneering year-long study of the benefits of four v four games at Manchester United's academy in 2005 revealed it threw up many more opportunities for dribbling, passing, one v ones and goalscoring. The Premier League clubs now include futsal in their winter games programme for academy players. Everton's academy began experimenting with it at the start of last season. After initially playing on indoor artificial grass pitches at their Finch Farm training complex, they decided to fully embrace the game. "We really wanted to do it properly," said Neil Dewsnip, the head coach at Everton's academy. "So we contacted a local school and now once a week, we take our Under-nines, Under-10s and Under-11s over to the school hall and let them play futsal. We have a futsal player, Ray Redmond, who coaches them. And it's a case of putting them on the pitch with a futsal ball, telling them the rules and letting them get on and play. We'll do a few futsal-specific drills but essentially it's playing time. "It really slides in nicely to their games programme and we believe it can improve the allround technical ability of our players. It's played at such a high tempo that every player is constantly engaged. This can only be good for their development." Everton were among the five English clubs whose academy teams reached the finals of the Premier League futsal tournament, where they took on the might of Barcelona and the renowned Madrid-based futsal club Inter Movistar. Manchester City triumphed in the Under-12s competition. Barcelona clinched the Under-15s title. Back down at the grassroots, many Charter Standard clubs will cite the burden of extra cost and lack of indoor facilities as barriers to fully embracing futsal. For Sturgess at the FA, however, the case for more indoor futsal is unequivocal because it wins on two counts: technical development and the weather. "A typical seven-year-old doesn't have the biological or physiological capacity to deal with extremes of heat and cold," he said. "So bringing them indoors to a fairly even temperature works. From a technical point of view, they are going to get so many more touches of the ball. But it's not just the number of touches, it's the situations they occur in: they are nearly always going to be under pressure; there will always be constraints on time and space. "Grassroots junior clubs are increasingly taking kids indoors so their football development can continue in the winter months," he said. "Futsal is the vehicle for this change." The scale of these changes are difficult to estimate. In the world of FA coaching, another development over the past few years has been the rise of the buzz phrase: "Let the game be the teacher." The message is clear, the practical implications less so. But while the FA tries to get to grips with educating a new generation of coaches, it could do much worse than ensure that as many young players as possible are left in the capable hands of the great teacher of Ronaldo, Messi, Iniesta and more: futsal. A brief history of futsal • Devised by Juan Carlos Ceriani in Uruguay in 1930 as a form of five-a-side to be played in YMCAs. • Futsal is a fusion of the Spanish/Portuguese words for football (futbol) and hall (sala). • The game is predominantly played indoors on a basketball court-size pitch, with hockey-size goals and a smaller, heavier ball with a restricted bounce. Goalkeepers and players taking corners or kick-ins (no throw-ins allowed) are allowed only four seconds to distribute the ball. • Fifa research this year revealed 150 of the 209 member associations were now playing futsal – an 18% rise on 2006. The rise in participation was most marked among in Africa. • The German FA hosted its first futsal coaching course last month. • As well as being the game of choice for youngsters in South America, it is also played in schools in Spain and Portugal up to the age 11 – as well as at the famed Barcelona academy, La Masia. • The England adults' futsal team was formed in 2003. They have never qualified for the Uefa Futsal Championship or the Fifa World Futsal Cup and are ranked 90th in the world – one place behind Tahiti. Spain are in 1st. Gee they seem to be behind us!
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Decentric wrote:I was asking the state SAP trainer about the value of the futsal course for an outdoor coach. He is the instructor for it. Given the other courses I've done, or intend to do this year, he thought it may be superfluous. Its only (Futsal Licence) if you intend to take this path D. Which it looks like I will be. I already have my Futsal Certificate, I want to complete my Futsal Licence. Any further Futsal Licensure would require my AFC C Licence we shall see.
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Decentricquote wrote:
Gee they seem to be behind us!
Thats because The Ex pros ( 'A' license doing well down under) have a mentality that it teaches bad habits.
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Quote:Inside knowledge fires Melbourne Victory's Marco Rojas
by: David Davutovic
From: Herald Sun November 19, 2012 12:00AM
CENTRAL Coast coach Graham Arnold says the first half of Saturday night's draw with Melbourne Victory is the best football he has seen in the A-League.
And man of the match Marco Rojas revealed his bag of tricks was learnt on the indoor soccer pitches of New Zealand as a kid.
After a fruitless debut season for Victory in which he failed to score, Rojas has four goals and an assist in six games this season.
Playmaker Tom Rogic again pulled the strings for the visitors at Etihad Stadium, but winger Rojas set the tone for Victory with an exhilarating display in the 2-2 draw.
"Central Coast are a good, tight defensive unit so sometimes you have to beat your player to create two v (versus) ones," Rojas said.
"My tricks just come to me in the spur of the moment. It's something I learnt playing indoor when I was younger. I've got to start doing it every week and getting the consistency.
"The boys are playing with a lot more confidence and we're passing the ball around. We're playing some pretty good football and we've got to carry on.
"Even when we go down a goal, I think we still have strong belief that no matter what happens we'll come back."
Arnold was forced to reshuffle his side after Patrick Zwaanswijk's 50th-minute red card.
While Rogic was involved in most of the Mariners' attacking thrusts, Arnold said the youngster had been scheduled to play only an hour after returning from Korea on Friday, so he was sacrificed 10 minutes earlier.
Before that, Arnold was delighted with what he saw from the Mariners.
"The first half was some of the best football I've seen," Arnold said. "There was some fantastic play from both teams.
"We've changed our formation after playing a similar way for two years and I'm delighted with the way they've responded."
Rojas, who played for New Zealand only three days earlier, said Victory was disappointed with the draw.
"It was disappointing not to get three points. We played some decent football and opened them up a few times, but we've just got to move on," he said. There must be something with developing the necessary skill sets or high technique and playing Futsal. While many kids are now taught those skill sets and practise them at training and use them in outdoor matches, Futsal must be providing more oppurtunities to use these skills in a match enviroment, in an experimental enviroment, in an enviroment that if a player makes a mistake they can recover and not necesarily cost their team the match. Its also interesting that Rogic comes from a Futsal enviroment and that two of the most technically talented young players in the A-League have used Futsal as a key development tool. A lesson perhaps.
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An idea I've been considering for a month or so now incorporates futsal by using it for the football conditioning phases of training (based on Verheijen's Periodisation model with which many here whom have taken the FFA advanced courses will be familiar).
It's not a perfected idea, considering the sizes of pitch required for the conditioning not always matching that of a futsal court, but a work in progress is never a finished product until it's been thoroughly tested.
As a coach obsessed with development, the idea of using futsal and finding ways to relate it to the outdoor game seems to have so much potential in Australia. The only problem is just that; incorporating it with outdoor, full-size pitch situations. The same applies to using Coerver techniques. All well and good to know how to make players perform various moves, but without showing how it applies to an actual game, it can be worthless.
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There is council owned tennis centre in our local area that converted one of the tennis courts to a multipurpose futsal/basketball court. The tennis net just rolls of the pitch and bang you have a futsal court. It used to be quite cheap to hire as we only had to pay tennis court rates at $12/hour and you could easily play 6 v 6 on there.
Anyway council could see how popular it was getting so they doubled the hire charge if you use it for futsal. On the flipside they are also going to get rid of the basketball hoops (as noone uses them) and are looking to convert one of the other courts to a futsal as well.
I play there twice a week whith mates and its a great way to keep fit and your touch up in the offseason. I'm also trying to organise a regular game for my eldest and his friends on a sunday afternoon. Just get 12 kids together and let them play with zero parent involvement. I will be just collecting the money and going home and just leaving the kids to play and will be encouraging the other parents to do the same. Its the only way I can think of to get the kids into a "street soccer" frame of mind.
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Hi guys! First time posting here. The coaching talk here is great.
I've been coaching outdoor and indoor now for about 5 years and I can say that futsal is a great learning tool for any coach. I've also been playing indoor for about 10 years now. However it saddens me sometimes to hear that certain coaches bag the game and yet themselves don't know much about its value.
I've always tried to incorporate some futsal lessons when I'm coaching our outdoor teams. The kids love to try it and it's a great challenge for them. However, I found you need to give the kids a good intro into some of the basics (ie trapping, passing, moving) and then let them play. Some coaches I've worked with just throw the kids on the court and expect it all to happen. I usually have sessions during any breaks we might have ie byes, holidays
Anyway, from my experience I've found the following benefits for young players:
- Promotes close in ball control in tight situations. Some of the skills the kids display are awesome.
- Encourages fast passing, moving & switching of positions and play.
- Helps strikers develop defensive skills. Sometimes I find younger "strikers" deficient in defensive skills and the motivation to defend. Futsal can cure them of this very quickly :)
- Encourages players to become more confident in attack and to participate more closely in attacking play.
- Excellent physical workout
- Encourages all players to work as a small unit with different shapes and positions ie diamond, 2-2, 3-1,zones, 2-1-1
- Helps players break out of their comfort zone and try new ways to play. Especially defenders who sometimes don't get to participate in midfield or attacking play.
- Some kids really step up and show a side to their playing that is not always obvious on the bigger outdoor field.
I encourage all coaches to give it a go and have some fun with indoor. The kids will love it that's for sure :)
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Quote:Futsal could help youngsters develop technical skills, says Socceroos teenager Tomas Rogic A nice plug for Futsal from one of A-Leagues most impressive players DEC 9TH From news.com.au | By Angela Habashy | Originally published 9/12/2012 |  Teenage Socceroos star Tomas Rogic has urged other aspiring young footballers to play futsal and says coaches should stop discouraging them. Stepping stone … Tomas Rogic believes futsal has a place in player development. Rogic made his international debut with the Futsalroos in 2010 and just two years later earned his maiden Socceroos cap playing against South Korea last month. The 19-year-old, part of Holger Osieck’s Socceroos side at the East Asian Cup qualifying tournament in Hong Kong, said while football was always his main passion, its five-a-side counterpart played a vital role in fine-tuning his exicting technical skills. “I definitely think it could be a missing link,” Rogic said. “I think it’s developed my technical side of the game massively. There are coaches and people who discourage futsal. “I remember having some coaches who didn’t want me playing it at all even in the off-season because they thought it would harm my development and be a negative for my football, but I found it completely the opposite. “I think it’s helped me immensely in terms of my footballing game today and I would really encourage all the young players to really get involved with it.” The Central Coast playmaker, widely regarded as the only genuine home-grown No.10 in the A-League, has had a meteoric rise, only signing his first professional contract 11 months ago. His ease with the ball and exciting style of play has earned him not only many fans but the respect of Osieck, who said last week: “Whatever he does makes sense, it’s quality.” One of the more experienced Socceroos in the current experimental squad, Matt McKay, agrees. “He’s a real talent,” McKay said. “This is the first time I’ve ever been involved in camp with him and seen him live. “He’s a big boy and he’s strong on the ball and he’s got a good touch. “You don’t want to be putting too much pressure on him but I can already see him evolving into a really great player.” Rogic has caused a stir in the A-League but the likelihood is that he will be lost to Australian audiences with a move overseas almost certainly on the cards. But the grounded teen isn’t getting too carried away. “Like any young player of course I have dreams and aspirations of playing in the top leagues overseas,” he said. “But it’s been a pretty crazy journey the past couple of years and everything has just happened so incredibly fast with my club and playing for my country. “If someone had said to me back then I would be playing for the Socceroos, I would have laughed at the suggestion. So I just can’t really think that far ahead.” Edited by Arthur: 10/12/2012 11:00:50 PM
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Any chance that tafe could offer something similar to this http://www.henley-cov.ac.uk/subjects/sports-industry/futsal-level-3-btec-diploma/FUTSAL LEVEL 3 BTEC DIPLOMA Level 3 What will I study? This course will identify and develop talented 16-19 year old players who aspire to develop opportunities in Futsal. It is in partnership with Sky Blues in the Community and covers a variety of sports elements. Contents Include • Sports Development • Anatomy and Physiology • Physiology of Fitness • Fitness training and Programming • Assessing risk in Sport • Sports Development • Fitness Testing for Sport & Exercise • Practical Team Sport • Sports Coaching • Analysis of Sports Performance • Leadership in sport • Sports Psychology & Nutrition • Profiling Sports Performance Plus nationally recognised Functional Skills qualifications. Additional qualifications 1st4sport level 1 Award in Coaching Football This course allows students to take full advantage of the sport and fitness facilities at Henley College Coventry. Weekly training sessions will be conducted at Coventry RFC facilities where students will also undertake part of their studies. How will I be assessed? Practical application of skills, presentations, reports and case studies. What are the entry requirements? 5 GCSEs grade C or above or a BTEC First Diploma (at least 6 merits) in a related subject plus a positive academic reference and successful completion of an interview. All students must be willing to take part in a range of practical sport and exercise sessions. What can I progress on to? This course provides an educational and player pathway for local talented Futsal players to progress to Coventry City FC. You can also progress to HND / degree course, Employment Coaching and leadership Coaching camps. Futsal Level 3 BTEC Diploma | Course Details BACKCode C5501-102 Dates 09/09/2013 - 10/07/2015 Years 2 Mode of Attendance Full Time Day Monday to Thursday Time 09:00 - 17:00 Site Main College Site Annual Fees Click here for more details. Apply Now APPLY NOW
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Wow! The range of topics in that course is interesting.
Actually, when I did the FFA futsal coaching certificate I was surprised at how basic the course was. I guess it's an intro for coaching in futsal but it was very very general in nature. It wasn't age specific and it didn't really address the differences in technical skills of older or younger players. Also, there was very little in the way of tactics (this probably comes in at the licence level). Still it was fun and I enjoyed the experience.
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Where are you located Stackerjam and who took your Futsal Certificate course?
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I think futsal is great for tricks, 1v1, spacial awareness, speed of thought.
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Do you think futsal changes you kick for the field game?
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Arthur...I'm in WA. I can't remember the presenter's name but he did a good job. I just thought that it was very general in nature. Maybe I was expecting too much for an intro course :)
krones3...when you move from futsal to outdoor there is some adjustment but I've never had a problem with my kick outdoors. The outdoor ball is obviously more "bouncy" but futsal teaches you to really observe your first touch so I find this skill comes in right away. I also find having the extra space outdoors really great. You have more room to move and operate in. I also find futsal teaches you to make your passes accurate, fast and low.
However, there are some things you need to be aware of. One for example, is positioning. In the outdoor game you can't just roam around at will. You have to play in a more rigid system and as part of a bigger team. I also tend to rely less on the tricks and fancy stuff...not that I'm that good at them :)
With coaching outdoor kids I find as long as I make them aware of some of these differences the kids adapt very fast to both games.
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It seems to me that with all the player advancement we have made over the past few years one that has been lost is placing a ball swerving a strike and accuracy when striking.I dont think a futsal ball can help this it must be practiced with a normal football.
I it is a small price to pay considering the benefits futsal gives still it is a loss.
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krones3 wrote:I think futsal is great for tricks, 1v1, spacial awareness, speed of thought.
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Do you think futsal changes you kick for the field game? Interesting point, Krones. I know a player who thinks that going into pre-season, all the futsal, played in the spring season, augmented with outdoor football 11v11 and SSGs, has given the player a lot more confidence in running with the ball and beating players 1v1. This is a senior state league player too.
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Stackerjam wrote: Some coaches I've worked with just throw the kids on the court and expect it all to happen. This to me is a big problem in outdoor as well as futsal. Sometimes going through past development systems, including state pathway, coaches expected someone before, or after them , to do a ot of technique training. This is what drew me into coaching better players. It seemed there was a void. Edited by Decentric: 8/1/2013 12:12:50 PM
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krones3 wrote:It seems to me that with all the player advancement we have made over the past few years one that has been lost is placing a ball swerving a strike and accuracy when striking.I dont think a futsal ball can help this it must be practiced with a normal football.
I it is a small price to pay considering the benefits futsal gives still it is a loss. Regarding shooting ability I have seen this a couple of times and I am seeing now in outdoor and indoor. In my outdoor club our head coach does not do any shooting drills or practise from U11 to the U16's. All the drills/sessions are technique, SSG, passing orientated. Yet as the boys are getting older they can shoot as well as any of the teams they are up against, last years U14 scoring over 80 goals in their season and the U16s over 60 goals. i also saw similar with current state skillaroos coach when he had aan academy which was skills/technique orientated very little shooting and only as a fun game. The better the kids got technically the better they could shoot. While lets not forget that Rogic and Rojas were brought up on Futsal not to mention a CR7, Messi and Neymar. My experience leads me to believe the better your technical ability the better your shooting will be. Of course there are exceptions there alaways are in our game. Just a reminder to all that the FFA Futsal Nationals started yesterday results can be found here: http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-8399-0-241518-0&a=COMPS&seasonID=1802211Edited by Arthur: 8/1/2013 01:38:18 PM
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sad to hear that APL entity Western Pride is stopping players from playing Futsal.
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dirkvanadidas wrote:sad to hear that APL entity Western Pride is stopping players from playing Futsal. Lonton is the TD of western pride and he told me himself that he hated futsal he also said there was no such think as a flick pass and that players should not bring futsal shit onto the field.
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krones3 wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:sad to hear that APL entity Western Pride is stopping players from playing Futsal. Lonton is the TD of western pride and he told me himself that he hated futsal he also said there was no such think as a flick pass and that players should not bring futsal shit onto the field. I don't like this bloke Lonton. If correct he sounds like the kind of bloke that would never discover a Rogic or Rojas.
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Arthur wrote:krones3 wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:sad to hear that APL entity Western Pride is stopping players from playing Futsal. Lonton is the TD of western pride and he told me himself that he hated futsal he also said there was no such think as a flick pass and that players should not bring futsal shit onto the field. I don't like this bloke Lonton. If correct he sounds like the kind of bloke that would never discover a Rogic or Rojas. Too busy looking after his own interests.
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krones3 wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:sad to hear that APL entity Western Pride is stopping players from playing Futsal. Lonton is the TD of western pride and he told me himself that he hated futsal he also said there was no such think as a flick pass and that players should not bring futsal shit onto the field. In another thread I know players who have played a lot of futsal in the spring season, even social futsal. They have also augmented this with social outdoor 11v11 or/and outdoor 7v7. V League (Tassie state league) senior coaches have been happy with these players in the pre-season. Tom Rogic , our brightest young talent, has also played a lot of futsal. He has also participated in the Coerver program. Edited by Decentric: 14/1/2013 10:18:26 AM
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Add Rojas who upto the age of 16 had only played Indoor Soccer (I assume Futsal) and school soccer.
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At the end of each season i split my team up into futsal teams and my children join futsal teams themselves. They have great fun and come back onto the grass better players.My only concern as i have said is i have seen older players who seem to be unable to find the back of the net and as they continually fail to find it they lose confidence. Just an observation and it may be worth practicing shooting first day in the new season.
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Not wanting to start anther thread on futsal, I thought I'd add to this one, although not strictly on topic.
One thing I've found that with coaching one particular payer for some time, one of the main issues I had was trying to coach moving towards the ball when taking the first touch, rather than waiting for it.
Another was taking the first touch away from an opponent when under pressure.
Also, using the body to protect the ball with the first touch.
I've found that that particular player has improved immeasurably in these facets of game, by learning them, inadvertently, through playing a lot of futsal, almost year round.
The player has also become confident with the La Croqueta signature move of Iniesta. This has extrapolated to outdoor football too.
However, I believe that if the player had played 5v5 outdoor in the same size pitch as futsal, the results would have been slightly better.
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krones3 wrote:At the end of each season i split my team up into futsal teams and my children join futsal teams themselves. They have great fun and come back onto the grass better players.
I've seen this too. Edited by Decentric: 10/7/2013 12:26:06 PM
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Krones3, Decentric...Yep, I'll back this up also. I've seen it time and time and time again. Youngsters who are exposed to the indoor game are more confident on the ball, have a better understanding of passing/moving, touch and the list goes on.
And yet we still face strong resistance to using futsal/indoor as a training tool from certain coaching mentalities.
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You don't have to convince me of the benefits of Futsal thats for sure.
I have seen it with my own children and those of my firends.
They say in Futsal "Let the game be the teacher." and I agree whole heartedley.
A friend of mine who is now a SAP coach and has his AFC B Licence five years ago was with Vikings Futsal and his job was to start an U10 Girls team, the team was not "selected" in a trial situation of the 8 girls 7 are playing at the highest level 4 have become State Outdoor players. Which is not a bad success rate in any one's book.
A significant amount of a players development must include Futsal, prefreably in an enviroment of minimal intereference much like unstructured play time or a replacement for street football.
Ps. Most of the talented junior players also participate in Futsal especially between the ages of 10 to 14.
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Stackerjam wrote:
And yet we still face strong resistance to using futsal/indoor as a training tool from certain coaching mentalities.
Even within FFA there are polarised opinions about the value of futsal. Some think it is great for development, others abhor it.
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http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/features/futsal-key-to-fulhams-flourishing-fledglngs.htmlWednesday 12 June 2013 Youth Focus: Futsal key to Fulham's flourishing fledglings In a week devoted to Youth Development, Fulham Academy coach Geoff Noonan talks futsal Fulham U12s lift the trophy after winning the Barclays Premier League Futsal Finals West Brom players receive advice during the Barclays Premier League Futsal Finals The 2013 Barclays Premier League Futsal Finals took place in Leeds over two days The incorporation of futsal in the Premier League's Games Programme has helped young players in the United Kingdom become as good as their continental counterparts according to Fulham Academy Coach Developer Geoff Noonan. "Having done lots of foreign tournaments in the Under-9 to Under-14 age group the development of our players compares favourably to that of other European countries," he told premierleague.com. "The development of our players compares favourably to that of other European countries" Geoff Noonan This week, as premierleague.com focuses on Youth Development and the changes that have already been made in the first 12 months of a £320m four-year Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP), Noonan offers an optimistic take on the future of tomorrow's stars. Noonan is particularly positive about his own academy players who are already beginning to reap the benefits of Premier League-organised events, such as the 2013 Barclays Premier League Futsal Finals from which his Fulham's Under-12s emerged triumphant. "The boys have loved it," said the 46-year-old. "Our U12s were very happy being winners but, irrespective of that, we've come away with lots of learning and lots of great development for our players, having played for two days and tried lots of skills and challenged ourselves against different teams in the event." After three years of consultation and development the EPPP came into force at the beginning of the 2012/13 season, with its chief aim to create more and better home-grown players who are properly equipped to succeed at the highest levels of the Premier League. The introduction of futsal as part of the first stage of the three-phase Performance Pathway - the U9 to U11 Foundation stage - appears significant, with the boys gleaning the advantages of having played in the numerous events staged over recent years by the Premier League. Noonan is a leading advocate of the five-a-side sport he believes has been a major factor in his youth teams' success and which serves to counter the received wisdom that the United Kingdom is failing to produce players who are comfortable on the ball. Coach Developer Geoff Noonan has been at Fulham Academy for nine years Fulham score against West Brom on their way to the national futsal title Fulham's players celebrate after winning the Barclays Premer League Futsal Finals "Futsal is a five-a-side game which is normally played indoors on a hard court surface area," he explained. "We've had it in our programme for four years through the Premier League and accessed the various activities and futsal tournaments the Premier League has run. "Futsal brings benefits from the age of nine, right through to 14" Geoff Noonan "We include futsal in our syllabus from the age of nine through to 14s, so it goes from our foundation phase into our Youth Development phase and we feel that the benefits it brings are enormous. It's highly technical, but also highly tactical because it's a five-a-side game in which the players have to be skilful, quick-thinking, good at one v ones, good at wall-passing and good at movement. It brings benefits from the age of nine, right through to the age 14." Those benefits have already begun to take shape in the form of silverware. Fulham have won the last two Under-18 Barclays Premier League titles and lifted the Under-19 Dallas Cup at the end of March, and the younger generations at the West London club are also excelling themselves. A year after the Under-15s came runners-up in the Barclays Premier League Futsal Finals, the Under-12 won the competition outright. The differences between futsal and orthodox five-a-side football are small but essential in helping nurture talent. The ball is heavier, thereby encouraging it to be played along the floor for longer and promoting passing and a focus on ball skill. Other rules also help promote close control. "There's a four-second rule where if the ball goes out players have to play the ball back in very quickly, which encourages quick decision-making and movement, and the back-pass rule is probably the biggest benefit," added Noonan. "Once the ball has been played out from the goalkeeper to a defender he can't play it back to the goalkeeper, so you have to attack and go forward either by beating a player or by passing forwards." In the Foundation Stage players are encouraged to develop a mastery of the ball, attributed a minimum quantity of guaranteed game time, offered multiple age-appropriate game formats and exposed to a dedicated futsal programme. Noonan believes the latter has been integral in helping Fulham’s fledglings flourish. "There's no question that it encourages skill, and individual skill, such as one v ones," he said. "Futsal is just part of the overall programme but it's been a good part, especially in the winter months. Fulham's Patrick Roberts U16 forward Patrick Roberts has blossomed at Fulham's Academy "To be able to access a Premier League-organised event in January or February in an indoor arena when we know it will go ahead, knowing that it's being played to encourage skill and not out in the freezing cold on a heavy pitch, when you're trying to produce technical players, is the key difference. It's played a major part for us. We've found the Premier League events to be excellent and we've been really happy to support them." "It's crucial to have these events. The credibility it gives to the Games Programme and the excitement it brings for the boys to play different opposition is priceless" Geoff Noonan Although at Foundation Stage the nurturing of ball skills is given precedence above winning matches, Fulham's success in recent futsal tournaments and in older youth competitions suggests that they are on the right track. The U12s had to qualify for the Barclays Premier League Futsal finals by coming in the top two in a southern section qualifying event, held in East London. They then progressed to the finals, which were held in Leeds over two days and which involved the National Futsal champions from Spain, Inter Movistar. "It proved an invaluable experience for the players concerned. It just gave the boys a real chance to play against some really excellent teams and individuals from clubs across the country," said Noonan. "The Spanish champions came over as well so it was good to be able to compare ourselves against them as well. "It's crucial to have these events. The year before our Under-15s went to the national event and ended up playing Barcelona at futsal as well. The credibility it gives to the Games Programme and the excitement it brings for the boys to play different opposition is priceless. To play against different clubs in Europe presents different technical and tactical challenges and it’s an experience we really want to give our boys at Fulham." Premier League futsal events The Premier League has been running national futsal tournaments for several years and Noonan believes they are improving in quality. "They get better every year," he said. "The events have grown in terms of the age groups that have been able to access it. The organisation and set-up for the finals has improved each year and it's really helped the players. The players have experienced it year on year and we've probably seen more development each year we've gone where our players have improved playing that game and becoming more skilful." One player to have reaped the rewards of the Games Programme is academy forward Pat Roberts, who has benefitted from futsal during his progression through the youth ranks. The 16-year-old played in Fulham's Barclays Under-18 Premier League Final and is now an England Under-16 international. The level of organisation for these futsal tournaments means that the negative perception on the development of young players in England is one that is not shared by Noonan. "Having done lots of foreign tournaments and played against foreign opposition in the U9-U14 age groups the development of our players compares favourably to that of other European countries. "Having spent time playing against teams from Spain, France, Germany and Holland we feel that our players are developing very well and in comparison. The challenge is to keep encouraging the development of individual players, of individual skills, to form the best players rather than the best teams; that’s the challenge at these younger age groups as the boys go through the academy."
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krones3 wrote:dirkvanadidas wrote:sad to hear that APL entity Western Pride is stopping players from playing Futsal. Lonton is the TD of western pride and he told me himself that he hated futsal he also said there was no such think as a flick pass and that players should not bring futsal shit onto the field. If PL said this and worked for FFA, then I know at least three FFA staff coaches who would totally disagree with him. There is certainly a difference of opinion within the FFA ranks on the value of futsal for outdoor football. The FFA futsal advocates are frustrated with the sceptics.
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The weekend after next I'm taking my U7s into their first Futsal tournament. I'm so excited to be training them for it, they've dominated SSF for two years now losing only twice in 32 matches.
I'll be playing 5-a-side incl a GK for the first time. An training for a diamond ahead of him. Thoughts?
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Bump - it's futsal season gents.
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neverwozza wrote:Bump - it's futsal season gents. An interesting phenomenon here, is that there are mixed premier league rosters. The rule is that a male goal, must be followed by a female goal, then a male goal, etc. Alternating gender goals, occur on the same team. The mixed roster has been great for a female relative of mine, who is in the state senior futsal team, being able to play with outdoor male NPL players in the same team and the opposition. Edited by Decentric: 23/9/2013 09:00:33 PM
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Decentric wrote:neverwozza wrote:Bump - it's futsal season gents. An interesting phenomenon here, is that there are mixed premier league rosters. The rule is that a male goal, must be followed by a female goal, then a male goal, etc. Alternating gender goals, occur on the same team. The mixed roster has been great for a female relative of mine, who is in the state senior futsal team, being able to play with outdoor NPL players in the same team and the opposition. have to say thats a really good idea, wish some comeptitions here did that 5 or 6 years ago when we used to regularly play sports together. I played mixed Netball awhile ago which was fun, but if something like that happened for indoor football, i would consider asking some friends if they were interested in playing.
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switters wrote:Decentric wrote:neverwozza wrote:Bump - it's futsal season gents. An interesting phenomenon here, is that there are mixed premier league rosters. The rule is that a male goal, must be followed by a female goal, then a male goal, etc. Alternating gender goals, occur on the same team. The mixed roster has been great for a female relative of mine, who is in the state senior futsal team, being able to play with outdoor NPL players in the same team and the opposition. have to say thats a really good idea, wish some comeptitions here did that 5 or 6 years ago when we used to regularly play sports together. I played mixed Netball awhile ago which was fun, but if something like that happened for indoor football, i would consider asking some friends if they were interested in playing. There seems to be a lot of good stuff around at this time of the year in this state, where the football milieu is progressing quickly forwards. There are a lot of social type rosters and mixed teams. There is not much coaching involved, just playing, with little onus on tactics. For some of the NPL players, who have had extensive periods of match tactics and serious game plans, futsal and outdoor SSG rosters seem like a lot of fun and a rest from a lot of outdoor training, where tactics, technique and game sense are paramount.
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Yep I'm coaching three kids sides this summer (8s,10s and 12s) but am trying to limit the instruction to subbing players on and off the court. The younger ones may need a bit more help as they've had little exposure to the indoor game but the older teams have a few youth PL players and very good club "A" players so hopefully they will enjoy the freedom to express themselves on the court.
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I quite like these sorts of drills to help with ball control on the hard court - the action starts at 1:45.
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