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+x+x+xusa don't have great success in exporting mls players pulisic is an incredible talent but never played in the mls or went through any of their development systems so its tough to learn any lessons from that apart from hope for a harry kewell every now and then what do you call success? Clint Dempsey 24 years old (New England Revolution) to EPL Fulham , Dempsey played Collage soccer before MLS Tim Howard 24 years old (New York Red Bulls) to EPL Man Utd 2003-04 play 32 games 1st year at MU Carlos Bocanegra 25 years (Chicago Fire) to EPL Fulham playing 15 games 1st season Brian McBride (Columbus Crew) loan to EPL team Everton in MSL off season, came back to MLS them move to EPL Fulham Marcus Hahnemann fuck, to many players who move from MLS to EPL those examples are from a long time ago incidentally they seemed to drop off exporting the same time as us. Exports over the last 5 years hasn't been great Perhaps Europe started throwing their nets further and wider around the mid naughties i suspect that american players are not worth the money they are asking for in europe. they get a cushy ride with good pay in the MLS. it's a bit of a bubble. just like the oil leagues and china. any half decent local gets paid mint to stay. it's an added bonus of the salary cap in australia - as our players pick up a better reputation through the efforts of guys like rogic, leckie, mooy jedi we will become a source of decent cheaper players. this creates opportunity to showcase your goods in a league where your actual ability can be assessed in a more standardised way.
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+xarticle about mooy and man city http://ht.ly/INFn3049CkAshame about ryan getting injured twice when he nails down the starting role good article! nice pick up. gets me excited to know one of ours is doing well.
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+x+x+xIrvine 12th in the Championship on Whoscored's rankings, even though they have a Scottish flag for the capped Socceroo! Luongo 43rd, Wright 45th, and Mooy 72nd, making all the Aussies I found in my skimming. Kiwi Chris Wood doing well with four goals for Leeds already. it's very interesting, Whoscored rate Huddersfield only 11th best team over the 8 games so far in the season, seing as Huddersfield has won 6 of those 8 games, and reading how Whoscored does give rating bonus to team that win the game, it interesting how low the Huddersfield is rated,,,,,there also only one Huddersfield player in top 50 with Rajiv van La Parra 36th (7.38), Aaron Mooy is next best Huddersfield player at 90th (7.14) going to be interesting, to see Huddersfield this season funny i was just looking over whoscored this morning as well. they gave mooy a 6.3 and luongo a 7.4 for the game. https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1084930/Live/England-Championship-2016-2017-Huddersfield-Queens-Park-Rangers That's nonsense, twitter is waxing lyrical about his performance
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+x+x+x+xWe have some good youngsters but man I wish we had a young talent like the USA have in Pulisic at Dortmund. Starting regularly for them, just scored another goal and only turned 18 today... we haven't had a player that young starting for such a big club since Kewell, I don't think. Why USA specifically ? there are many stronger football nations Just mentioned him as I was checking out the Dortmund game. There are plenty of young players like him from bigger nations playing for bigger clubs but I've always felt like the USA is somewhat analogous to Australia with the MLS being a similar model to the A-League, as well as the fact that football is not the most popular sport there due to NFL (like the AFL here), the influence of migrants on the sport, being a big fish in a smaller region (smaller by significance to football), etc. Some similarities. Perhaps in terms of per capita and the fact that both countries have lots of athletes strong in multiple sports. But, as has already been mentioned, the population of the US is so much greater. That helps them. They also have a truckload of Hispanic support for the game which we'd kill for. More than 10x our population, a football-mad hispanic diaspora of around 60 million and yet we have comparable league attendances and develop a comparable level of talent. We must be doing something right.
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+x+x+xusa don't have great success in exporting mls players pulisic is an incredible talent but never played in the mls or went through any of their development systems so its tough to learn any lessons from that apart from hope for a harry kewell every now and then what do you call success? Clint Dempsey 24 years old (New England Revolution) to EPL Fulham , Dempsey played Collage soccer before MLS Tim Howard 24 years old (New York Red Bulls) to EPL Man Utd 2003-04 play 32 games 1st year at MU Carlos Bocanegra 25 years (Chicago Fire) to EPL Fulham playing 15 games 1st season Brian McBride (Columbus Crew) loan to EPL team Everton in MSL off season, came back to MLS them move to EPL Fulham Marcus Hahnemann fuck, to many players who move from MLS to EPL those examples are from a long time ago incidentally they seemed to drop off exporting the same time as us. Exports over the last 5 years hasn't been great Perhaps Europe started throwing their nets further and wider around the mid naughties your being a bit picky now :D i could not be fucked looking so hard i would say the USA have same shit as Australia...do you have EU passport Geoff Cameron move from Houston Dynamo to EPL Stoke City (2012-13) playing 35 games 1st season in EPL DeAndre Yedlin move from Seattle Sounders FC to EPL Tottenham in 2015-16 played 1 game and was loan to Sunderland and played 23 games in 2015-16 Tim Ream move from New York Red Bulls to EPL Bolton 2011-12, played 13 games in 1st season
MLS has players who can leave the MLS and start in EPL.....as when Mooy left the A-League, poster on 442 was hoping mooy will get game time for Huddersfield
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+x+xLeckie... Adelaide product... ( jokes aside ) but seriously, he is playing well in a top league in Europe....and their is no media coverage :( Green Gully product m80! ;) I have often wondered why the mainstream media don't do Aussies Abroad, honestly. Maybe I'm inside the bubble of Australian football talk, but with Aussie media loving Australian sportspeople and the lip service provided to the scores from the odd major teams in the EPL you would imagine that Aussies playing for or against big teams would be obvious sports stories (Jones' clean sheet against Manchester United or Leckie vs Bayern Munich in the last 72 hours as the first examples that come to my head), but there's nothing. Sounds like an easy win, to be honest, given the desperate scraping for Australian glory they do in every other sport, especially come Olympics years. From my experience in Australian media I would say that the barrier is that this would require actual work rather than copying what they are sent, which is obviously far too much to ask. Really sad. Imagine a day where the mainstream TV stations go into depth about Australian players and their games, as well as detailed reports on the A-League, and then quickly show the score from the weekend's AFL and NRL games! Wow. What an exceptional performance by Leckie. World class. Could have had 3 goals. His team ripped off on 2 penalties. It could be argued the ref wasn't able to clearly see the 2ND one against leckie. A pleasure to watch that game and his performance. First choice player up forward for socceroos. Just exceptional Oh, and wow. Does the bundesleague ever have a love for HGH .
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Huddersfield forum seems to think Mooy looked a bit tired and off his game today. He's played a lot recently on top of travelling.
QPR forum in meltdown so no news on how Luongo played.
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whoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this
+0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line
+0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch
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Sparta tonight, 8:30 pm Rosenborg 4:00 am
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Celtic too at a reasonable time.
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+xCeltic too at a reasonable time. Yep about midnight, have to see if Rogic baby is playing
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+xSparta tonight, 8:30 pm Rosenborg 4:00 am Is Sparta on bet 365?
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+x+xSparta tonight, 8:30 pm Rosenborg 4:00 am Is Sparta on bet 365? Should be, sorry Spata at 10:30
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Jeggo was top notch, riding high with Graz. They play Salzburg in two weeks. Dougall and Mauk on the bench. No Goodwin.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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+xJeggo was top notch, riding high with Graz. They play Salzburg in two weeks. Dougall and Mauk on the bench. No Goodwin. What, really? Meaning Goodwin
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+xwhoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this +0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line +0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football) the total number of passing is also not statistical importance what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more important on the number of times passing the ball go past defense positions p.s great job in finding there formula, i was looking for it...but from what i know, they give points for winning headers to
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+x+xwhoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this +0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line +0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football) the total number of passing is also not statistical importance what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more important on the number of times passing the ball go past defense positions I kinda agree with your broken English. You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference.
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+xHuddersfield forum seems to think Mooy looked a bit tired and off his game today. He's played a lot recently on top of travelling. QPR forum in meltdown so no news on how Luongo played. Thank you for posting that I was very curious how they do it I enjoyed watching Mathew Leckie smash his inside parts of that first Assist was superb is present on the field positioning placement and tracking back excellent and then the way he dealt with me to buy an Defenders the one we should have scored a goal kicking it into the goalkeepers met with a miracle reflex save eventually would have done for people if he scored that and it would have been probably the best goal he scored in his life I don't think computer scoring captures that
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. +x+x+xwhoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this +0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line +0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football) the total number of passing is also not statistical importance what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more important on the number of times passing the ball go past defense positions I kinda agree with your broken English. You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference. Mooys role though is to be a link between attack and defence. If he cuts out a line with a pass and does it with the highest accuracy in the league that is one of the most important parts of his job. A forward pass that takes out a player is just as effective as a take on that does the same.
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+x+x+xSparta tonight, 8:30 pm Rosenborg 4:00 am Is Sparta on bet 365? Should be, sorry Spata at 10:30 Sparta is now. Dougall on the bench. Goodwin out injured I believe.
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Sparta up 1-0, no marking at the back post.
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+x+x+xwhoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this +0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line +0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football) the total number of passing is also not statistical importance what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more important on the number of times passing the ball go past defense positions I kinda agree with your broken English. You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference. well it not me saying it.....it the Statistical software that says it :) but it is my broken English :)
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+x+x+x+xwhoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this +0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line +0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football) the total number of passing is also not statistical importance what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more important on the number of times passing the ball go past defense positions I kinda agree with your broken English. You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference. Mooys role though is to be a link between attack and defence. If he cuts out a line with a pass and does it with the highest accuracy in the league that is one of the most important parts of his job Yes But Ardho makes a point, pass accuracy can be construed because it is all back passes, or sideways passes. Mooy excels because he has great vision and his forward passes are well weighted.
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+x+x+x+x+xwhoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this +0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line +0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football) the total number of passing is also not statistical importance what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more important on the number of times passing the ball go past defense positions I kinda agree with your broken English. You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference. Mooys role though is to be a link between attack and defence. If he cuts out a line with a pass and does it with the highest accuracy in the league that is one of the most important parts of his job Yes But Ardho makes a point, pass accuracy can be construed because it is all back passes, or sideways passes. Mooy excels because he has great vision and his forward passes are well weighted. so unfortunately whoscored statistics won't give us the full picture since he takes out so many opposition players with clever passes also he takes out so many players by clever positioning in receiving passes still whoscored is good for tracking the defensive part of his game
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+x+x+x+xwhoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this +0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line +0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football) the total number of passing is also not statistical importance what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more important on the number of times passing the ball go past defense positions I kinda agree with your broken English. You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference. well it not me saying it.....it the Statistical software that says it :) but it is my broken English :) what is your native language ifyou dont mind me asking
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+x+x+x+x+xwhoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this +0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line +0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football) the total number of passing is also not statistical importance what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more important on the number of times passing the ball go past defense positions I kinda agree with your broken English. You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference. well it not me saying it.....it the Statistical software that says it :) but it is my broken English :) what is your native language ifyou dont mind me asking gypsy
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+x+xHuddersfield forum seems to think Mooy looked a bit tired and off his game today. He's played a lot recently on top of travelling. QPR forum in meltdown so no news on how Luongo played. Thank you for posting that I was very curious how they do it I enjoyed watching Mathew Leckie smash his inside parts of that first Assist was superb is present on the field positioning placement and tracking back excellent and then the way he dealt with me to buy an Defenders the one we should have scored a goal kicking it into the goalkeepers met with a miracle reflex save eventually would have done for people if he scored that and it would have been probably the best goal he scored in his life I don't think computer scoring captures that whoscore gave Leckie 2nd best player, behide the guy who got 3 assist for Bayern i think it people in Australia who don't understand how good Leckie is playing right now, for Australia and his club
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+x+xwhoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this +0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line +0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football) the total number of passing is also not statistical importance what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more important on the number of times passing the ball go past defense positions p.s great job in finding there formula, i was looking for it...but from what i know, they give points for winning headers to This gets to the bottom of why the whoscored ratings for players are so flawed. (In fact I think they should get rid of the ratings). There are key passes and there are assists and thats fine. But there is no measurement of meaningful possession/passes or play-making. The statistics that they use have absolutely no way of determining the impact of passes. One player could have the same stats: say 70 passes and have no impact by along the back-line, while another player could make 70 passes and completely dominate with meaningful passing.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xwhoscored don't seem to give points for pass accuracy or number of passes from what I can tell their formula looks something like this +0.2 for a tackle or intercept +0.1 for a clearance -1 for a mistake leading to goal or red card -0.2 if you get a yellow card or were dribbled around -0.2 for entire backline (and DMs seem to get a hit) for a goal conceded +1 for last man tackle/cleared off the line +0.2 for a chance created or an accurate cross/through ball/long ball +0.2 for a 15m dribble +1 for goal/assist/hit post -0.2 for being tackled/disposessed +0.2 for a shot on target also your points appear to decline for minutes on pitch that because pass accuracy doesn't mean shit to winning football games....it is of no importance, in teams winning games....people who talk about pass accuracy, are people who don't know what the key things that go to make a winning football player or teams (that most of people in football) the total number of passing is also not statistical importance what is in importance, is the number of passer the go past opponent player , with more important on the number of times passing the ball go past defense positions I kinda agree with your broken English. You can pass the ball infinitum, but the trick is to make forward passes that make a difference. well it not me saying it.....it the Statistical software that says it :) but it is my broken English :) what is your native language ifyou dont mind me asking gypsy some truth in that
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