JayEss
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Davis_Patik wrote:Ali07 wrote:And, from what I can gather, it seems like Irvine plays more as a CB than in midfield for Kilmarnock. transfermarket has him starting at CM in all of the 5 games he has played for Kilmarnock. He's been playing both, some games as a CB, some as a DM/CM (according to Kilmarnocks twitter anyway) :)
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Ali07 wrote:And, from what I can gather, it seems like Irvine plays more as a CB than in midfield for Kilmarnock. transfermarket has him starting at CM in all of the 5 games he has played for Kilmarnock.
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Any reports on how Mustafa Amini is going?
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I always forget since Kehl hardly plays now (only 1 start this season) so Weindenfeller is pretty much Dortmunds captain on match-day and I wonder if this could have contributed to Langerak not getting the league game appearances between the last two CL games.
Also on McGowan I thought he was in a better position to get picked for the national team than Irvine. I figured they had a chance playing SPL week in week out but McGowan has played better and they play similar positions I think. McGowan can play RB, CB, CDM (RB mainly) and Irvine CB, CDM, CM (CM mainly) but could be wrong
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Ali07
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And, from what I can gather, it seems like Irvine plays more as a CB than in midfield for Kilmarnock.
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Davis_Patik
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Excellent wrap up, however Dylan McGowan has been playing in defense, mostly at RB, but also at CB for Hearts.
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Hope he can get over it and the medicos help him well. I remember reading an article that mentioned that the medical team at AZ weren't sure what groin problem he was suffering from, along with there being a mention that OP isn't something that they see too often in Holland.
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Ali07 wrote:So, Babalj misses through injury again. I wonder if he does have OP... I reckon he does nothing it it could be
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jmars wrote:Link2588 wrote:scnertho wrote:rusty wrote:scnertho wrote:Pretty sure he's been a regular in these teams of the week this season, yet can't even make a Socceroos squad. BS Because he isn't good enough. Just because you score team of the week in a crap league like Korea doesn't mean you're good enough to represent your country. How do we know he isn't good enough to play for the Socceroos when he's never made a squad? He's a regular starter in a stronger league than what Ognenovski plays in, and until ~6 weeks ago Lucas didn't even have a club and still got picked ahead of Wilko. Korea made the World Cup semi final with a squad that was 90% home based players. Should be good enough for us. You forgot the asterisk on Korea's WC success: *...and through controversial decisions made by a referee who would later be banned for match-fixing and sent to prison for drug-smuggling. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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So, Babalj misses through injury again. I wonder if he does have OP...
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korea have a lot of players playing throughout europe. some real top quality talents. they are certainly a better team then us we just muscle them out of the games sometimes which you can't do at the world cup.
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rusty wrote:Mark457 wrote:Aussie Centerbacks have been the new fad in Korean football though it is underestimating the type of work Centerbacks do in Korea. He is playing against quick and technically very good players that don't just rely physiciality. Therefore Wilkinson has had to be good at reading the play and understanding how to play it on the deck. His form warrants a call up considering who is getting picked for the National team in the same position. If it is good enough for the Korean national team it is definently good enough for the Australian. The way some people talk about other leagues and teams you would think the Socceroos are Spain and we are running the Bundesliga. You just can't justify national selection based on a playing in a "technical" league like Korea, just because their players are speedy and have fancy skills and stuff. Not even the Korean NT picks defenders from its own league, it prefers its defenders from clubs like Al Shabab and Albirex Niigata. We're delving into serious levels of mediocrity raiding the Korean league for has been A league defenders to represent the national team, Wilkinson just isn't good enough period, he wasn't good while playing in the A league and playing in Korea isn't going to change that, no matter how zippy and speedy and skilly the players he plays against are. If you're going to ditch the captain at least make sure the guy who replaces him is worthy to don the jersey. Yes you can. Of the most recent calls for the Korea National team 90 percent of those played in Korea, I can only think of two Korean defenders who play in Japan the 10 or so are in Korea. Whether you believe it or not their National team is better than ours. They also have more National team players playing in the domestic league. If an Australian player is a standout in a league like this and players in the same position play in leagues weaker than he deserves a call up. I could understand if you had a backline like Spain or Brazil who have players playing in Italy, England and Spain but I cannot understand it when you have players who are playing in the Middle East and China.
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If you guys don't mind I might swing back to the wrap up of Thursday's OS action http://osaussies.com/thursday-wrap-50/
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jmars wrote:Link2588 wrote:scnertho wrote:rusty wrote:scnertho wrote:Pretty sure he's been a regular in these teams of the week this season, yet can't even make a Socceroos squad. BS Because he isn't good enough. Just because you score team of the week in a crap league like Korea doesn't mean you're good enough to represent your country. How do we know he isn't good enough to play for the Socceroos when he's never made a squad? He's a regular starter in a stronger league than what Ognenovski plays in, and until ~6 weeks ago Lucas didn't even have a club and still got picked ahead of Wilko. Korea made the World Cup semi final with a squad that was 90% home based players. Should be good enough for us. You forgot the asterisk on Korea's WC success: *...and through controversial decisions made by a referee who would later be banned for match-fixing and sent to prison for drug-smuggling. That's just paranoia from people who refuse to believe a team from asia could make it to the final 4. Its also a conspiracy started by the italians who were bitter about lowing. There were a few bad decisions that went SKoreas wa but most of the conjecture is based off that youtube video and there's a youtube video that also shows all the lucky decisions Italy got in their favour. The refereeing that game was terrible all round.
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Yeah but where did those squad members develop - had a quick check of the team & most of them have played 50-100 senior games for k-league sides before moving overseas.
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Link2588 wrote:scnertho wrote:rusty wrote:scnertho wrote:Pretty sure he's been a regular in these teams of the week this season, yet can't even make a Socceroos squad. BS Because he isn't good enough. Just because you score team of the week in a crap league like Korea doesn't mean you're good enough to represent your country. How do we know he isn't good enough to play for the Socceroos when he's never made a squad? He's a regular starter in a stronger league than what Ognenovski plays in, and until ~6 weeks ago Lucas didn't even have a club and still got picked ahead of Wilko. Korea made the World Cup semi final with a squad that was 90% home based players. Should be good enough for us. You forgot the asterisk on Korea's WC success: *...and through controversial decisions made by a referee who would later be banned for match-fixing and sent to prison for drug-smuggling.
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Link2588 wrote:scnertho wrote:rusty wrote:scnertho wrote:Pretty sure he's been a regular in these teams of the week this season, yet can't even make a Socceroos squad. BS Because he isn't good enough. Just because you score team of the week in a crap league like Korea doesn't mean you're good enough to represent your country. How do we know he isn't good enough to play for the Socceroos when he's never made a squad? He's a regular starter in a stronger league than what Ognenovski plays in, and until ~6 weeks ago Lucas didn't even have a club and still got picked ahead of Wilko. Korea made the World Cup semi final with a squad that was 90% home based players. Should be good enough for us. Check their latest squad, it's not even good enough for them.
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scnertho wrote:rusty wrote:scnertho wrote:Pretty sure he's been a regular in these teams of the week this season, yet can't even make a Socceroos squad. BS Because he isn't good enough. Just because you score team of the week in a crap league like Korea doesn't mean you're good enough to represent your country. How do we know he isn't good enough to play for the Socceroos when he's never made a squad? He's a regular starter in a stronger league than what Ognenovski plays in, and until ~6 weeks ago Lucas didn't even have a club and still got picked ahead of Wilko. Korea made the World Cup semi final with a squad that was 90% home based players. Should be good enough for us.
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Byun_Fan_671 wrote:Wilko on this week's "Best XI"  Deserves to be in the squad more than Neil or Ognovski going on just current form.
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Mark457 wrote:Aussie Centerbacks have been the new fad in Korean football though it is underestimating the type of work Centerbacks do in Korea. He is playing against quick and technically very good players that don't just rely physiciality. Therefore Wilkinson has had to be good at reading the play and understanding how to play it on the deck. His form warrants a call up considering who is getting picked for the National team in the same position. If it is good enough for the Korean national team it is definently good enough for the Australian. The way some people talk about other leagues and teams you would think the Socceroos are Spain and we are running the Bundesliga. You just can't justify national selection based on a playing in a "technical" league like Korea, just because their players are speedy and have fancy skills and stuff. Not even the Korean NT picks defenders from its own league, it prefers its defenders from clubs like Al Shabab and Albirex Niigata. We're delving into serious levels of mediocrity raiding the Korean league for has been A league defenders to represent the national team, Wilkinson just isn't good enough period, he wasn't good while playing in the A league and playing in Korea isn't going to change that, no matter how zippy and speedy and skilly the players he plays against are. If you're going to ditch the captain at least make sure the guy who replaces him is worthy to don the jersey.
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Davis_Patik wrote:Surely Wilkinson was a better A-League player and done better over there than Cornthwaite. On those comparisons he should be in with a chance of selection. we've been over this already, Holger doesn't pick players who are in form and might be in peak career form. He is more interested in there jokes around camp, whether they are 30 years old and playing in the middle east.
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Surely Wilkinson was a better A-League player and done better over there than Cornthwaite. On those comparisons he should be in with a chance of selection.
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rusty wrote:scnertho wrote:rusty wrote:scnertho wrote:Pretty sure he's been a regular in these teams of the week this season, yet can't even make a Socceroos squad. BS Because he isn't good enough. Just because you score team of the week in a crap league like Korea doesn't mean you're good enough to represent your country. How do we know he isn't good enough to play for the Socceroos when he's never made a squad? He's a regular starter in a stronger league than what Ognenovski plays in, and until ~6 weeks ago Lucas didn't even have a club and still got picked ahead of Wilko. You can make that argument for any player, if they're not picked for Australia how do we know they're not good enough. Wilkinson was an average A league player, reliable and all but by no means a stand out. I don't agree that Korea is a much stronger league, if at all. Lots of Aussies, particularly defenders seem to go there and do well, Ognenovksi, Cornthwaite etc. They probably have an advantage given they are physically bigger and stronger than most of their opponents, so that type of player is probably more appreciated over there than in Australia and Euro leagues. Aussie Centerbacks have been the new fad in Korean football though it is underestimating the type of work Centerbacks do in Korea. He is playing against quick and technically very good players that don't just rely physiciality. Therefore Wilkinson has had to be good at reading the play and understanding how to play it on the deck. His form warrants a call up considering who is getting picked for the National team in the same position. If it is good enough for the Korean national team it is definently good enough for the Australian. The way some people talk about other leagues and teams you would think the Socceroos are Spain and we are running the Bundesliga.
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jas88 wrote:Son got top player of the match goal.com is saying even thought he was subbed off in the 68th lol. I think he got that in a match which he didn't even play on goal.com too. Don't take it seriously :lol:
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Son got top player of the match goal.com is saying even thought he was subbed off in the 68th lol.
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scnertho wrote:rusty wrote:scnertho wrote:Pretty sure he's been a regular in these teams of the week this season, yet can't even make a Socceroos squad. BS Because he isn't good enough. Just because you score team of the week in a crap league like Korea doesn't mean you're good enough to represent your country. How do we know he isn't good enough to play for the Socceroos when he's never made a squad? He's a regular starter in a stronger league than what Ognenovski plays in, and until ~6 weeks ago Lucas didn't even have a club and still got picked ahead of Wilko. You can make that argument for any player, if they're not picked for Australia how do we know they're not good enough. Wilkinson was an average A league player, reliable and all but by no means a stand out. I don't agree that Korea is a much stronger league, if at all. Lots of Aussies, particularly defenders seem to go there and do well, Ognenovksi, Cornthwaite etc. They probably have an advantage given they are physically bigger and stronger than most of their opponents, so that type of player is probably more appreciated over there than in Australia and Euro leagues.
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Good to hear about Kruse.
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belgium1 wrote:dr. bellows wrote:Proud2BeCanberran wrote:Surely being hidden away on a bench in the SPL will have decreased his value though. Can't be the greatest advertisement for potential clubs. Needs to join a club akin to Club Brugge in the Belgian league, a Portuguese club or a mid to lower Bundesliga club. I have no doubts he would be good enough for them. He'd have a good chance of winning a starting position with Academica and a possibility with Rio Ave and Nacional in Portugal. Rostov in Russia and Gent in Belgium are also possibilities. An outside chance Vitesse in the Netherlands. Interesting reply, with the choice of the clubs, why did you pick Gent? They don't look particularly strong in c.m. I think Rogic would come into contention there. No guarantee, though.
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And Wednesday's OS Aussie wrap http://osaussies.com/wednesday-wrap-49/Edited by Voice ofReason: 3/10/2013 07:32:31 AM
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