Praise for Ryan from his new coach. Interesting he specifically states he was scouted in the ACL.

http://www.voetbalnieuws.be/news/77921/Wat_ik_tot_nu_toe_van_Ryan_gezien_heb,_maakt_me_blij#ixzz2fzD1MuVn

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Edited by Voice ofReason: 26/9/2013 06:12:00 PM

Jas I think you stopped reading Langan's post after the first line. He actually acknowledges the importance of skill but merely states that there is more to being a professional than skill. Top level professional is quite separate from youth football with which you are talking about.

To suggest that pros are merely top technically gifted players is as Langan suggested too simplistic. Even the most recent NC by Ham Burger acknowledges that the modern game is heavily influenced by pacy attackers. This is an athletic trait although one in which can be improved upon with better technique.

this is a clear example of the australian football mentality and demonstrates why we can't produce top players, because at the youth level the players who are getting picked for rep sides or looked at for development are the tall, fast and strong players.... and technical ability, reading the play and speed are thrown aside. Please read some expert analysis on australian football development specifically Han Berger's recent address to Australian coaches to focus more on developing first touch, reading the play and technical ability for gods sake have we still learnt nothing over the last 20 years?

Frankfurt were terrible overnight. Whole team including Leckie looked tired and couldn't break down a parked bus. Ruka came on and added a spark, created some chances but nothing came of it.

A lot of you people seem to think skills are the only thing in the modern game and that big physical strength based players have no place in the future.

My god that is simplistic.

Skills and technique are really only a minor part of a professional players necessary list of abilities. There are some people out there with AMAZING skills, trick jugglers for instance. Yet in the heat of a match these people can make the wrong decisions, run to the wrong spot, move too slowly, lack the necessary drive needed to win the ball. They might take their first touch in the wrong direction, make their passes too weak, fail to communicate. They might have poor balance, poor agility.

Basically there are a ton of things needed to make a decent footballer. Adding great skills to that list can make the footballer even better but there is a reason some people with great skills never make it out of the lower leagues, they simply don't have the other attributes necessary to make it.

You joking or? Brazil pressed well and closed down the space, because there was no space our passing ability which was already piss poor was almost useless... there was no physicality about it most of the brazil team were young kids less than 60kgs.. were you watching the same game or?

We want to build for the future but it takes times to build a technical passing style of play and the world cup isn't the time nor place for experimentation. We don't currently have the players to match it with the top European sides so it would be foolish to try to emulate their style of play when our players don't have the skills. We need to strive to play better modern football but this evolution needs to happen organically rather than force feeding it in a world cup tournament. Basically we need to do what every other top sides does and put our best players on the park and play to our strengths rather than current weaknesses.

You said you'd pick him ahead in the current first 11 now on merit rather than for building towards the future.

To match it with top European teams we need some players with exceptional physical and off ball abilities too.
It wasn't just technical superiority that meant Brazil thrashed us. That thrashing relied on their physical and tactical superiority too.

I have a limited history of watching games and work hours make it hard for me to watch too many game regularly so I know little. I do tend to take what is written on forums with a grain of salt but when every single poster is so strongly in one direction it is hard to ignore.

I am struggling to understand why Irvine was selected at all but it is doubly puzzling as Luongo seems to be a far superior player. I would have much rather seen Luongo picked and what you say here strengthens that view even more.

Are we trying to build for the future with the ability to hold possession and match it with top european teams or are we just trying to string by with the players we have unable to play in the system we want? Why don't we settle for Lowrys weaknesses then? or any other players not picked in the socceroos team? lol ludicrous

Friends?

Even though I give you stick, you occasionally make an excellent point Rusty. =d>
Alot of people on this board fail to accept the bolded point and only judge players based on how comfortable they appear in possession of the ball while oblivious to the contributions they make off of it.

Jedi isn't a CB, he got torn apart by Palace fans after he played there last weekend.
He isn't the best passer but to preference a League one pup over a premier league captain is ludicrous. Sometimes you have to accept players have weaknesses and there is more to a player than pure technical ability.

I never said Jedi wouldn't be in my first 11, I just wouldn't put him in the midfield ahead of Luongo because he can't pass for rat shit but I would certainly have Jedi at CB he should never even be considered for CM he plays very deep for palace he's a glorified sweeper tp be honest. Few weeks ago we saw a 20 yr Bernard destroy us in the midfield and he was picked ahead of kaka so watch some decent international football and get back to me mate we arent interested in playing hoofball dog fest physical games we need to move away from that shit and to do that we need players who are able to keep the ball and pass.

Edited by jas88: 26/9/2013 08:42:38 AM

in bouzanic's game a striker got a straight red 9 minutes in so it looks a one sided affair
grasshoppers win 2-0

vidosic scored a penalty (folowing text comments at work)

sion win

Edited by grazorblade: 26/9/2013 05:44:55 AM

leckie finished the half well with a shot and an assisted shot but they go down 1-0 at half time

back to work for me :(

leckie has been quiet so far along with the other forwards

there appears to be too much space between the lines so most players seem isolated. They just conceded an unlucky own goal

hey I know I normally look up articles on overseas Aussies but has anyone been following Ibini lately. I only look at guys in Europe really but I think Ibini could be a good player in the right team

Edited by moofa: 26/9/2013 01:43:47 AM

leckie ruka bozanic and vidosic are in action tonight.
might watch them during my lunch break :)

any aussie i miss?

Good to hear. Thanks for sharing that.


You'd pick a 20 year old League 1 player over a 29 year old EPL player for the first 11 right now?


This. Unless you're clueless and biased with little to no football knowledge like Jas. In that case just read experts analysis' of games in order to gain a proper understanding of how a player is to be objectively analysed for yourself next time.

Edited by neanderthal: 25/9/2013 05:10:11 PM

Like any football forum, including 442, I'd take most things said on a Scottish one with a grain a salt. I remember reading all sorts of garbage about Ryan McGowan even though he was good in a particular match. Best advice: watch games and decide for yourself.

I would have luongo starting ahead of jedi, irvine or milligan. technically very good great passer of the ball sets up goals regularly has scores them too... a true box to box midfielder with ability.

So I watched a replay of the Swindon v Chelsea game and kept a close eye on Mass Luongo.
Kid has ability
He's technically sound, has a really good short passing range. He moves with ease and can get past players while in midfield traffic.
I was impressed with his performance.
It's only really his first full season in action as a starting First XI player, and I can say he's got a lot ahead of him.

Was pleasantly surprised, but somewhat expecting of, the style of football Swindon play. I know recently they've shifted their philosophy to playing good pass and move football. They've swept their side, and currently have a lot of Tottenham youngsters on their books. They matched Chelsea for possession and tempo for large parts of the game, which was the surprising aspect.

Good things ahead for Luongo and Swindon.

Schwarzer did what he does, and was called upon on a few occasions. It's a scary prospect to think that Chelsea's second team would beat most first teams in the Premiership!

Both Aussies did well

I was also not impressed with him for the under 20s so I am not just basing my opinion on what they say. However it does seems to be inline with what I already thought. I think Brillante played much better for the under 20s. Connor Chapman as well if Irvine is being considered as a CB option. However as Irvine is currently in season that favors his selection over them. I guess he has little chance of actually getting game time as we have Milligan, Bresciano, Jedinak and Holland at least in the squad ahead of him for the holding midfielder position.

If this forum was any guide to informed selection opinion we'd have a NT with 16 as the average age.

Except they specifically criticise his passing, judgment and other abilities that this apparently enlightened forum values.

A bunch of Scottish forum goers are hardly a good source to gage his potential.
They way overemphasise abilities like tireless running and hard tackling which may just not be his game.