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paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice.
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how would the current celtic side go in the epl ? (any1 but adthro) plz answer me this ha. CL has to many variable for a decent guage imo.....
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Great to see Rogic played a great game, he does get criticised by some Celtic fans for not producing this game in game out apparently....
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TheSelectFew wrote:paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice. I was hoping at 4 nil and the game gone that the coach might throw Chris in to give him some experience and see how he goes. We should start an Ikon debut countdown or countup clock.
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Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice. I was hoping at 4 nil and the game gone that the coach might throw Chris in to give him some experience and see how he goes. We should start an Ikon debut countdown or countup clock. Inb4pala :lol:
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what are the expected returns of ryan langerak and kruse?
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Link2588 wrote:how would the current celtic side go in the epl ? (any1 but adthro) plz answer me this ha. CL has to many variable for a decent guage imo..... My feeling is that Celtic and Aberdeen are championship level and the rest of the spl are league one level. Championship is still a high level though. Just my feeling on the matter. EPL is very very high. Scotland only has a population of 4 million though.
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u4486662 wrote:Link2588 wrote:how would the current celtic side go in the epl ? (any1 but adthro) plz answer me this ha. CL has to many variable for a decent guage imo..... My feeling is that Celtic and Aberdeen are championship level and the rest of the spl are league one level. Championship is still a high level though. Just my feeling on the matter. EPL is very very high. Scotland only has a population of 4 million though. 5.3 actually but declining. Very sad. :(
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Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice. I was hoping at 4 nil and the game gone that the coach might throw Chris in to give him some experience and see how he goes. We should start an Ikon debut countdown or countup clock. Unusual to see young players just thrown on because you're losing
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lukerobinho wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice. I was hoping at 4 nil and the game gone that the coach might throw Chris in to give him some experience and see how he goes. We should start an Ikon debut countdown or countup clock. Unusual to see young players just thrown on because you're losing Usually happens when you are winning. In times of desperation managers turn to safety even though they may be shit.
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TheSelectFew wrote:On the Celtic fb page they are saying motm but he doesn't do it in big games. He was dumped for qualifiers and didn't play against ajax. Que... They're probably referring to the Aberdeen game earlier this week. I think people were unimpressed, some contributed it to fitness and recent socceroos games. Have no idea what he has to do to get MOM though. Janko was good in the second half...but Rogic dominated, showing good strength and touch throughout the game with a goal and assist. Could have scored a hatrick in that game if it wasn't for some decent saves.
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soil wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:On the Celtic fb page they are saying motm but he doesn't do it in big games. He was dumped for qualifiers and didn't play against ajax. Que... They're probably referring to the Aberdeen game earlier this week. I think people were unimpressed, some contributed it to fitness and recent socceroos games. Have no idea what he has to do to get MOM though. Janko was good in the second half...but Rogic dominated, showing good strength and touch throughout the game with a goal and assist. Could have scored a hatrick in that game if it wasn't for some decent saves. Well the reason they played him in that game so soon after international duties was because they wanted to play the other fella for the midweek game which iirc they lost.
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TheSelectFew wrote:lukerobinho wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice. I was hoping at 4 nil and the game gone that the coach might throw Chris in to give him some experience and see how he goes. We should start an Ikon debut countdown or countup clock. Unusual to see young players just thrown on because you're losing Usually happens when you are winning. In times of desperation managers turn to safety even though they may be shit. I didn't just say losing either. I said they were down by 4 goals and the game was gone. It was the 74th minute mark when they made the final change. Realistically the game was over. Yes when a team has a comfortable lead they might also throw on a young player.
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Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:lukerobinho wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice. I was hoping at 4 nil and the game gone that the coach might throw Chris in to give him some experience and see how he goes. We should start an Ikon debut countdown or countup clock. Unusual to see young players just thrown on because you're losing Usually happens when you are winning. In times of desperation managers turn to safety even though they may be shit. I didn't just say losing either. I said they were down by 4 goals and the game was gone. It was the 74th minute mark when they made the final change. Realistically the game was over. Yes when a team has a comfortable lead they might also throw on a young player. i think the manager would get reaaaamed if he just threw on a few players for the fuck of it and didnt try and stem the blood flow. that's the kind of thing to get you sacked - openly just give up on a game.
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inala brah wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:lukerobinho wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice. I was hoping at 4 nil and the game gone that the coach might throw Chris in to give him some experience and see how he goes. We should start an Ikon debut countdown or countup clock. Unusual to see young players just thrown on because you're losing Usually happens when you are winning. In times of desperation managers turn to safety even though they may be shit. I didn't just say losing either. I said they were down by 4 goals and the game was gone. It was the 74th minute mark when they made the final change. Realistically the game was over. Yes when a team has a comfortable lead they might also throw on a young player. i think the manager would get reaaaamed if he just threw on a few players for the fuck of it and didnt try and stem the blood flow. that's the kind of thing to get you sacked - openly just give up on a game. I'd tend to agree with this. While I am obv all for seeing Ikon get game time, I'd be pissed if Kev was losing and threw on the 16 year olds from the NPL U20s, but if we're 3 up against CCM as we were the other day then by all means blood them in. That said, he wouldn't have been in this position if only he'd started the Ikon, of course.
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paladisious wrote:inala brah wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:lukerobinho wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice. I was hoping at 4 nil and the game gone that the coach might throw Chris in to give him some experience and see how he goes. We should start an Ikon debut countdown or countup clock. Unusual to see young players just thrown on because you're losing Usually happens when you are winning. In times of desperation managers turn to safety even though they may be shit. I didn't just say losing either. I said they were down by 4 goals and the game was gone. It was the 74th minute mark when they made the final change. Realistically the game was over. Yes when a team has a comfortable lead they might also throw on a young player. i think the manager would get reaaaamed if he just threw on a few players for the fuck of it and didnt try and stem the blood flow. that's the kind of thing to get you sacked - openly just give up on a game. I'd tend to agree with this. While I am obv all for seeing Ikon get game time, I'd be pissed if Kev was losing and threw on the 16 year olds from the NPL U20s, but if we're 3 up against CCM as we were the other day then by all means blood them in. That said, he wouldn't have been in this position if only he'd started the Ikon, of course. He's hardly the equivalent of a 16yo NPL U20. He's a full member of the first team who has three international caps for his senior national team and who the coach has turned down loan offers from other Serie A and Serie B clubs, and re-signed him to a 5 year deal. This obviously is not because he's a random unknown kid who they've shown so much faith in for shits and giggles. Their last change was like for like. A forward for a forward. I wouldn't call this trying to stop the flow or limit the damage (they even conceded again). Chris is a forward and as full-time member of the first team is considered now by the coaching staff to be a valued member of that team. For people to suggest Chris doesn't offer any value to the team is a little surprising and disappointing.
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Reminds me of when I predicted as a 17 year old that Chris would be playing for Australia and people mocked me. But I knew once they asked me for his number that it was just a matter of time.
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Just to switch topics for a sec but how cool is it that this thread will more than likely be the first to reach one million views. It won't be until at least late next year but what a great effort by you all to support this thread and make it the hallmark for this forum.
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Voice ofReason wrote:paladisious wrote:inala brah wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:lukerobinho wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice. I was hoping at 4 nil and the game gone that the coach might throw Chris in to give him some experience and see how he goes. We should start an Ikon debut countdown or countup clock. Unusual to see young players just thrown on because you're losing Usually happens when you are winning. In times of desperation managers turn to safety even though they may be shit. I didn't just say losing either. I said they were down by 4 goals and the game was gone. It was the 74th minute mark when they made the final change. Realistically the game was over. Yes when a team has a comfortable lead they might also throw on a young player. i think the manager would get reaaaamed if he just threw on a few players for the fuck of it and didnt try and stem the blood flow. that's the kind of thing to get you sacked - openly just give up on a game. I'd tend to agree with this. While I am obv all for seeing Ikon get game time, I'd be pissed if Kev was losing and threw on the 16 year olds from the NPL U20s, but if we're 3 up against CCM as we were the other day then by all means blood them in. That said, he wouldn't have been in this position if only he'd started the Ikon, of course. He's hardly the equivalent of a 16yo NPL U20. He's a full member of the first team who has three international caps for his senior national team and who the coach has turned down loan offers from other Serie A and Serie B clubs, and re-signed him to a 5 year deal. This obviously is not because he's a random unknown kid who they've shown so much faith in for shits and giggles. Their last change was like for like. A forward for a forward. I wouldn't call this trying to stop the flow or limit the damage (they even conceded again). Chris is a forward and as full-time member of the first team is considered now by the coaching staff to be a valued member of that team. For people to suggest Chris doesn't offer any value to the team is a little surprising and disappointing. :lol: You don't have to tell me that he's a gun, I well know it! I was basically putting those managerial decisions in the context of the club I support, Victory, to see how it would be received if he got his first cap in that manner. He will definitely get Serie A minutes any week now, for sure.
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Voice ofReason wrote:paladisious wrote:inala brah wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:lukerobinho wrote:Voice ofReason wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:paladisious wrote:Lazio getting done 5-0 away to Napoli directly as a result of leaving Ikon on the bench. No doubt management should besacked for such a grave injustice. I was hoping at 4 nil and the game gone that the coach might throw Chris in to give him some experience and see how he goes. We should start an Ikon debut countdown or countup clock. Unusual to see young players just thrown on because you're losing Usually happens when you are winning. In times of desperation managers turn to safety even though they may be shit. I didn't just say losing either. I said they were down by 4 goals and the game was gone. It was the 74th minute mark when they made the final change. Realistically the game was over. Yes when a team has a comfortable lead they might also throw on a young player. i think the manager would get reaaaamed if he just threw on a few players for the fuck of it and didnt try and stem the blood flow. that's the kind of thing to get you sacked - openly just give up on a game. I'd tend to agree with this. While I am obv all for seeing Ikon get game time, I'd be pissed if Kev was losing and threw on the 16 year olds from the NPL U20s, but if we're 3 up against CCM as we were the other day then by all means blood them in. That said, he wouldn't have been in this position if only he'd started the Ikon, of course. He's hardly the equivalent of a 16yo NPL U20. He's a full member of the first team who has three international caps for his senior national team and who the coach has turned down loan offers from other Serie A and Serie B clubs, and re-signed him to a 5 year deal. This obviously is not because he's a random unknown kid who they've shown so much faith in for shits and giggles. Their last change was like for like. A forward for a forward. I wouldn't call this trying to stop the flow or limit the damage (they even conceded again). Chris is a forward and as full-time member of the first team is considered now by the coaching staff to be a valued member of that team. For people to suggest Chris doesn't offer any value to the team is a little surprising and disappointing. how many first team minutes has the fully fledged ikon had then?
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paladisious wrote:
:lol: You don't have to tell me that he's a gun, I well know it!
I was basically putting those managerial decisions in the context of the club I support, Victory, to see how it would be received if he got his first cap in that manner. He will definitely get Serie A minutes any week now, for sure.
im right here with you on this. the ikon is a god in waiting. but if you bought him on this time and the game still ended 6-0 you would get brutalised for the decision.
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The question is when or will Chris Ikonomidis get a opportunity to play for Lazio, we all hope he can that chance.
If not he should look for a loan move to get some game time and start establishing himself into first team football scene.
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Barca4Life wrote:The question is when or will Chris Ikonomidis get a opportunity to play for Lazio, we all hope he can that chance.
If not he should look for a loan move to get some game time and start establishing himself into first team football scene. No the question is "when", not "will". As VoR said, they just signed him on a five year senior deal ahead of this season, have ignored the loan approaches of various Serie B and lower Serie A clubs and not put him in the Primavera squad and put him on the bench for the senior squad and so it's clear they plan to blood him into the latter. He will get first team Serie A minutes this year. When he does, the ball is in his court.
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inala brah wrote:paladisious wrote:
:lol: You don't have to tell me that he's a gun, I well know it!
I was basically putting those managerial decisions in the context of the club I support, Victory, to see how it would be received if he got his first cap in that manner. He will definitely get Serie A minutes any week now, for sure.
im right here with you on this. the ikon is a god in waiting. but if you bought him on this time and the game still ended 6-0 you would get brutalised for the decision. Yep, the coach wants to bring in the youth he wants, and he wants Ikon, but he has to keep his job to do that.
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Voice ofReason wrote:Just to switch topics for a sec but how cool is it that this thread will more than likely be the first to reach one million views. It won't be until at least late next year but what a great effort by you all to support this thread and make it the hallmark for this forum. U da real mvp
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Randers are playing tonight.
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paladisious wrote:inala brah wrote:paladisious wrote:
:lol: You don't have to tell me that he's a gun, I well know it!
I was basically putting those managerial decisions in the context of the club I support, Victory, to see how it would be received if he got his first cap in that manner. He will definitely get Serie A minutes any week now, for sure.
im right here with you on this. the ikon is a god in waiting. but if you bought him on this time and the game still ended 6-0 you would get brutalised for the decision. Yep, the coach wants to bring in the youth he wants, and he wants Ikon, but he has to keep his job to do that. With all due respect I can't see the bringing on of any sub when the score is 4 nil with 15 minutes to go being the part where fans start calling for blood. Perhaps if they took off a striker for a defender but even then most fans I'd say would be resigned to a loss and much more disheartened over the already existing 4 nil. Who knows though I'm not Borg so can't tap into the collective consciousness of Lazio fans.
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Weekend Roundup:
EPL:
Mark Schwarzer was an unused sub in Leicester's 2-2 away draw to Stoke City
Adam Federici was also an unused sub for Bournemouth in their 2-0 home win over Sunderland
Mile Jedinak was not in the Crystal Palace squad in their 1-0 away loss to Tottenham. Not sure if injured.
Championship:
Neither Tommy Oar nor Shane Lowry were in their respective squads in Ipswich's 1-1 home draw with Birmingham
Rhys Williams remains injured in Middlesborough's 2-1 away win over Nottingham. Boro are now 2nd.
Neil Kilkenny played 72 mins and Wright was an unused sub in Preston's 2-1 away loss to Brentford. Wright was apparently carrying a knock.
Davidson played 90 mins in Huddersfield's 4-1 home win over Bolton
Luongo played 87 mins in QPR's 1-1 away draw with Hull City.
League One:
Chris Herd played 79 mins as a right back in Chesterfield's 1-0 away loss to Coventry
Callum Elder played 90 mins again in Peterborough's 1-1 home draw with Walsall
Wesolowski was not in the Shrewsbury squad for their 1-0 home loss to Crewe. Brad Inman started but was subbed at half time for Crewe.
Brad Jones and James Meredith both played 90 mins in Bradford's 2-2 home draw with Sheffield with Meredith scoring a goal and an own goal as well.
Ryan Williams was an unused sub in Barnsley's 1-1 away draw to Blackpool
Shane Cansdell-Sherrif played 90 mins in the centre of defence in Burton Albion's 1-0 away win over Swindon. They are now top. Hopefully Shane can get promoted this season.
League Two:
Alex Cisak played 90 mins in Leyton Orient's 1-1 home draw with Wycombe.
Bundesliga:
Matthew Leckie played 88 mins in Ingloastadt's last minute 1-0 away win over Werder Bremen. They are now 6th.
Both Langerak and Robbie Kruse were missing for Stuttgart through injury in their 1-0 home loss to Schalke. They have now lost 5 in a row and are second last.
Bundesliga II:
Halloran was not in the Heidenheim squad in its 1-1 home draw with Leipzig
Milos Degenek played 90 mins as a DM and scored a cracking left foot strike from outside the box in 1860 Munich's 1-1 home draw with Kaiserslautern.
James Holland played 90 mins in Duisburg's 1-0 home loss to FSV Frankfurt. They are coming last.
La Liga:
Mat Ryan was missing through injury in Valencia's 0-0 home draw with Betis.
Seria A:
Ikonomidis was an unused sub in Lazio's 5-0 away loss to Napoli.
Serie B:
Brilliante played 79 mins in Como's 3-3 away draw to Vicenza. For their first point of the season.
Eredivisie:
Sainsbury was an unused sub in Zwolle's 2-1 home win over Ado De Haag. They are now third.
Rostyn Griffiths played 90 mins and Tomi Juric came on after 71 mins for his debut with Daniel De Silva being an unused sub in Roda's 1-1 home draw with Feyenoord.
Sarota was not in the Utrecht squad in their 3-1 away loss to Willem II.
Eerste Divisie:
Kenny "Mad Dog Mac" Dougall played 90 mins for Sparta Rotterdam in their 3-0 away win over PSV II in front of an epic crowd of 500. They're now second and gunning for promotion.
Ben Horton was not in the Telstar squad in its 3-0 home win over Fortuna Sittard.
Chinese Super League:
Spiranovic played 90 mins in Hangzhou's 1-1 home draw with some Chinese side I cbf'd spelling
Cahill played 90 mins in Shanghai Shenua's 2-1 home loss to Shandong Luneng
Adrian Leijer played 90 mins in Chongqing Lifan's 1-1 home draw with Liaoning.
Croatia HNL:
Steven Ugarkovic played 90 mins in Osijek's 0-0 home draw with NK Zagreb. Robert Strika was not in the Zagreb squad.
Tomislav Mrcela played 90 mins in Lokomotiva's 1-0 home win over RNK Split
Denmark Super League:
Amini played 90 mins and Jack Duncan was an unused sub in Randers's 3-0 away loss to FC Copenhagen.
Awer Mabil was not in the Midgetland squad for their 1-0 home loss to Nordsjaelland.
Greek Super League:
No games this weekend but earlier last week Bulut started and played 59 mins in Iraklis's 1-0 home loss to Levadiakos.
Israel:
Rukavytsya came off the bench in the 61st minute in Beitar Jerusalem's 2-1 away loss to Bnei Yehuda.
J-League:
Nathan Burns was subbed at halftime in Tokyo's 1-0 away loss to Yokohama F. Marinos
Mitch Duke played 57 mins in Shimizu's 4-1 home loss to Urawa reds.
K-league:
Alexander Jovanovic was not in the Jeju squad in their 1-0 home loss to Pohang Steelers. I believe he is injured.
Alex Wilkinson played 90 mins in Jeonbuk's 3-1 home win over Daejon. They are top of the league.
Saudi Arabia:
Troisi played 90 mins in Al Ittihad's 2-1 home loss to Al Faisaly
SPL:
Ryan McGowan played 90 mins and Adam Taggart was an unused sub in Dundee United's 1-1 home draw with Inverness CT
Scott McDonald came on after 77 mins in Motherwell's 1-0 away loss to Hamilton Academical
Jackson Irvine played 90 mins in Ross County's 1-0 home win over Patrick Thistle
Tom Rogic played 90 mins, scored the first goal and provided an assist for the second in Celtic's 6-0 home win over Dundee for whom Curran was not in the squad.
Turkish Super Lig.
Aziz Behich played 84 mins in Bursaspor's 2-1 away loss to Fenerbahce for whom Nani and Robin Van Persie were the goalscorers. No shame there.
UAE:
Milligan played 77 mins and provided an assist for the first goal in Bani Yas's 3-3 away draw with Al Fujairah
MLS:
Andy Rose was again not in the squad in Seattle Sounders's 3-0 away win over Whitecaps. I believe he may be injured.
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good to see Brad Jones finally get a game for Bradford. Will be interesting to see if he keeps playing the keepers selected for the next squad with Cisak being called last time. Brilliante and Herd both getting game time is good news as well. fills that void at right back. Lets hope Taggart Juric and Bulut can all start getting a bit of game time so there is competition up front. Things are looking pretty bright for the socceroos.
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Barca4Life wrote:Great to see Rogic played a great game, he does get criticised by some Celtic fans for not producing this game in game out apparently.... poor guy, he only played 486 minutes and scored 3 goals (Celtic 2nd highest for year so far in SPL ) ...and they already crying out that Rogic inconsistent :lol:
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