Is it 2k break even?
If mv got over 20k you could imagine that even with playing MC twice and mv once you could crack 55-60k combined. That's 16-17 home games per season needing 34k fans.

Fixed. Added an extra 42,000.
How does Geelong contribute to a new TV deal more than Wollongong? Same timezone...

If you're going to have Greater Geelong - you might as well call it Western Victoria to include Ballarat & Bendigo somehow into the mix ;)

Your mum contributes nothing to a new tv deal!

Geelong will never work. For every football lover here there are 100 that hate it and anything that could compromise the cats will be shunned so quickly. Even if there is no compromise of the cats the afl will make it a mission to make it appear so... once a club in a town like geelong is marginalised slightly it is gone.

I tend to agree - the AFL will try and block anything to do with "Geelong" and "FC" in the name, they'll probably even try to trademark the navy blue and white hoops to stop the a football team in Geelong!

I think Southern Cross FC at Lakeside will work better than a Geelong side...they could wear royal blue and white hoops a la QPR (and the Greek flag ;) )

Geelong Region G21 - 300k population, projected to grow to 500,000 in 2050. Registered players - 2,600. Part of Melbourne FTA TV market.
Central Coast - 320k population, projected to grow to 390,000 in 2031. Registered players - 13,000. Part of Sydney FTA TV market.
Southern Sydney - 650k population, projected to grow to 770,000 in 2031. Registered players - 40,000. Part of Sydney FTA market.
Illawarra - 390k population, projected to grow to 450,000 in 2031. Registered players - 14,000. Part of South Coast Regional FTA TV market.
ACT - 390k population, projected to grow to 500k in 2032. Registered players -14,000. Part of Southern NSW Regional TV market.

Only Southern Sydney meets the WOFP guideline of 500k population but ACT will get there in the medium term and G21 will get there in the long term.

The WOFP assessment of a location based on participation is best met by Southern Sydney, 6.15% of the population are registered players, with G21 a long last out of these 5 locations, 0.9% of the population are registered players.

Edited by gyfox: 23/7/2015 05:18:35 PM

My understanding of the 'contributing to the TV deal' argument is that the Geelong viewers are counted as part of the Metro Melbourne viewership, whereas Woolongong aren't counted as part of the Metro Sydney viewership.

Because TV ratings are all about the metro viewership areas, that gives Geelong the edge.

I'm happy to be corrected, but that's how I understand it.

Geelong is considered part if the Melbourne tv market. Wollongong is not part of the Sydney tv market. The FFA want teams in big tv markets.

An outright team in Wollongong contribute nothing to a new tv deal.

But are they so specific when counting participation numbers?
I'm not sure how it is done.
Is Geelong considered Melbourne and southern Sydney as Sydney?

As far as FTA markets are concerned Melbourne and Sydney are both 4.6m population with Brisbane, which covers SE Qld, having 3.3m population.

For STV Sydney has 650k subscribers, Melbourne has 500k subscribers and Sth East Qld has 330k subscribers. Regional location like Wollongong and Canberra have between 50k and 60k subscribers.

Regional FTA stations buy their content off the major networks for about 40% of their revenue so the majors won't pay as much for regional teams.

I have quoted registered players because the numbers are specific to location. They are representative of the level of total participation i.e. about 30% at the moment.

Geelong is the G21 Region. Southern Sydney is the municipalities that make up the region for population and District Associations in the region for registered players. Sutherland with a population of 225k has half the number of registered players in Melbourne with its 4.3m population.

Edited by gyfox: 23/7/2015 05:37:17 PM

Just my opinion but Geelong is an untapped market in the summer. The people are bored and want something to do at night, there has been talk of a T20 side and if they got a license it would take off.

The City of Geelong understand the benefits that the city received following the influx of visitors when MVFC played there.
If the council give a new franchise a stadium deal of 2k to break even it's almost impossible to not be sustainable as that it one of the key components crippling/crippled a-league sides particularly in Qld.

The average stadium cost in the League is around the $1m pa mark. The average cost of running a club at the moment is in excess of $8m so they would still be looking for the best part of that to survive.

Which area is most likely to attract sponsorship? Which is most likely to attract an owner/consortium with deep pockets?

A lot of the arguments I see here are around things that will support a club once it is up and running (good stadium deal, supportive govt etc). But the real issue is who will fund the team in the first place?

WSW was a very unique situation - a second team in the biggest TV market in Australia, plus a requirement for the FFA to fulfil TV contract obligation with Gold Coast going under.

I don't think you will get the FFA funding a new team from scratch again. I really think expansion is off the agenda for a few years at least - unless the next TV deal includes a lot of extra money for an extra game per round. So then it is up to consortia or deep pocketed owners to fund things.

Yes, the FFA will want their $5-10 million or how ever much they pull out of thin air for the license.
I wouldnt see sponsorship to be a problem for any new club if the joining the league coincides with a FTA deal.

If it was linked to an overseas club in a similar style to MC then I say no. I wouldnt mind however if a foreign club owned them but allowed them to be a representation of the area and not other things eg MC or Red Bull.

Perhaps Wesfarmers can put the money up and put Target on the front of the shirts. 8-[

I do think people underestimate the issue of "who will pay for this?"

Stadium issues etc are all relevant but ultimately secondary to finding owners who will pay to set up a team.

Licence fee to the FFA is unlikely to be an issue - FFA tend to charge that only for buying an established team's licence.

Is that the full cost including the squad?

Yes. De Bohun mentioned it at the Jets public forum. His comment was that Jets expenditure of $8m would be less than the League average and in their case would result in a $1m loss this season coming.

An increase in the tv deal should see more money going to clubs however the FFA has been very sheepish on the amount. Even as a percentage.
If the next tv deal doubles the money, in expansion thread there would be 2 more teams. I doubt teams would receive an approx 83% increase in the amount they receive from the FFA.

I know that the ICC have been exhibition games and that there were perhaps some tourist at the matches, however, it does show Victorians willingness to attend sports events/matches. In terms of a potential Geelong expansion I feel that all 3 games would be close to capacity (no matter where the matches were played) and the MC games would also go close in Melbourne and Geelong. That would give you 6 Saturday night matches on FTA.

This was published last year in October


http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/local-sport/geelong-aleague-push-region-stuck-in-the-back-seat-as-ffa-drives-toward-expansion/story-fnjuhs0b-1227106388985

This was in response to Frank's babbling. The best of the article is this

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/frank-lowy-flags-multitier-expanded-aleague-competition-20141029-11dgyv.html

It's hard to believe anything Gallop or Lowy say about expansion.

Seems like it's Melbourne City's fault that Geelong don't seem to have a chance.

I moved this from the other thread


This is from the AFL website


Basically the AFL wont play ball.

I will use Hawks instead of Bombers or even Geelong in this case.

I don't see why potentially Hawthorn Football Club could not own a franchise called Hawthorn Rovers Football Club (as was a name of one of the original clubs that merged). I doubt the AFL have copyright on that. Also, Melbourne Heart, Victory and City are ok with the existence of Melbourne Football Club.

Designs and colours- not sure how far you can stretch that one. That means you cannot have brown and gold stripes in my mind but would you be able to have brown and gold as colours? Can you have brown, gold and white stripes as your colours?

So yes you can end up with a Collingwood warriors type. Hawthorn Rovers who play in eg a yellow kit with a white & brown stripe a la Melbourne City.
Is something like this ok

Do the AFL have a monopoly on the use of animals in any form?

The biggest fear there is without the "Hawks" name attached are you going to be able to drag in enough fans. This would be a similar problem for an Essendon mock but not perhaps for Geelong.

You have the Hawks building new facilities (video on the article) , so a potential team would have state of the art facilities.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/hawthorn-hawks/dingley-move-a-masterstroke-for-hawthorn-as-football-department-spending-cap-looms-20150603-ghfjz6.html

If Hawthorn approach the FFA should the FFA examine the case or just reject it on site? If the club presented a true desire to run a success club/business.
It is in theory Warrior 2.0 but in the A-League not NSL.

Would you support a team that the Bombers owned called eg Essendon Rovers, not playing in black and red sash?

The advantage of the Hawks example is you end up with a team that would represent SE Melbourne and who owns a site the size of 5 AFL fields.... where a potential stadium could be built. :lol: o:) =d>
You probably also have the chance to play 1 or more home games in Tasmania per season, if MV don't have the monopoly on it.


I would support Hawthorn Rovers ;)




Edited by scott21: 26/7/2015 03:19:53 AM

Iridium.... The thread made it through the first round of eliminations

[youtube]Wmc8bQoL-J0[/youtube]

The index thread... Rip

might back the op up.

My argument for including South Melbourne in an expanded A-League.. http://wp.me/p6nVtI-4O

Looks like the Redcliffe Dolphins are getting a little boutique stadium soon (10k seats iirc). Not suitable for A-League games but it might be a good choice for future Brisbane ACL matches and the like, instead of having to travel down to the south coast.

Federal Government to commit $4 million for new stadium in South East Queensland at Dolphin Oval



Nice.

Edited by paladisious: 11/8/2015 03:28:27 PM

Would be huge.

Here we go another bitter south sympathiser...

South Melbourne and Southern Sydney as the two next clubs could be huge.
definitely two huge markets and the number of inner city games they would provide would definitely boost crowd averages

:d :d :d =d>