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Monoethnic Social Club
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst  6 year anniversary in November ... still waiting on that "shovel ready" stadium arent they? hahahahahah
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst
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Monoethnic Social Club
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst Don't worry the Super League is coming in Europe... you can support that its the same thing really.
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Monoethnic Social Club
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst They've already had the compromise for 20 years and done nothing with it. Compromising now isn't a brand new thing that's hip and cool and never been tried before. not trying to be difficult but not sure what you mean by saying there has been a compromise for 20 years? It's been a closed league for 20 years not a compromise? Not a closed league at all, just one were (unlike the rest of the globe) you need to pay a few to be promoted, regardless of how you perform on the pitch or whether you even exist or not....
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HappyGuus
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst I don't think they even need to do that. If the top two divs have 16 teams each, there would have to be 30 teams better than an APL team for them to be relegated... I can't see that happening, at least in the next decade. And if they are that rubbish then they should get what they deserve, really. We should've done the aggressive expansion a decade ago and had the NST well bedded in by now. So frustrating. I agree its frustrating the compromise would be just to make it happen, as you say it would just be something on paper that probably wouldn't affect anything real but might grease the wheels Yeah true, it would give the APL clubs security, although probably unnecessary. But the federation clubs and their supporters would never let up about it, no different from how it is now. This goes towards the "earning respect" factor, it has to be as legitimate as possible.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst I don't think they even need to do that. If the top two divs have 16 teams each, there would have to be 30 teams better than an APL team for them to be relegated... I can't see that happening, at least in the next decade. And if they are that rubbish then they should get what they deserve, really. We should've done the aggressive expansion a decade ago and had the NST well bedded in by now. So frustrating. I agree its frustrating the compromise would be just to make it happen, as you say it would just be something on paper that probably wouldn't affect anything real but might grease the wheels
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HappyGuus
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst I don't think they even need to do that. If the top two divs have 16 teams each, there would have to be 30 teams better than an APL team for them to be relegated... I can't see that happening, at least in the next decade. And if they are that rubbish then they should get what they deserve, really. We should've done the aggressive expansion a decade ago and had the NST well bedded in by now. So frustrating.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst They've already had the compromise for 20 years and done nothing with it. Compromising now isn't a brand new thing that's hip and cool and never been tried before. not trying to be difficult but not sure what you mean by saying there has been a compromise for 20 years? It's been a closed league for 20 years not a compromise? Grazor, ur being difficult now!
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grazorblade
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst They've already had the compromise for 20 years and done nothing with it. Compromising now isn't a brand new thing that's hip and cool and never been tried before. not trying to be difficult but not sure what you mean by saying there has been a compromise for 20 years? It's been a closed league for 20 years not a compromise?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst They've already had the compromise for 20 years and done nothing with it. Compromising now isn't a brand new thing that's hip and cool and never been tried before.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst That would be a start…..anything to get the whole thing moving.
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+x+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer. Compromise i support is just having a rule that a league clubs cant get relegated below the nst
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+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course It’s obvious we are not going to get to a 20 team ALM by trying to sell $25 million licenses (unless there’s a sudden rush of American millionaires wanting in) so there is going to have to be compromise (dirty word,I know). Football Australia needs to set the rules for a total pyramid from top to bottom. It can’t be left hanging in the air any longer.
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+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting. Option 2 FA mandates a full pyramid, and let nature take it's course
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+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... Yeah, I'm thinking the APL might want to create a few more clubs at the same time the NST is building, then link them up down the track. Tier 1 let's say would be 13 + Canberra, Tasmania, Gold Coast... then maybe Sunshine Coast, Townsville, Christchurch for example... and promote the best candidate from the NST for 20. Bottom four get cut to tier 2, and tier 2 drop their bottom four to the conferences. Then we're up and running with full pro/rel. Basically, we need half a dozen clubs in the 2nd tier every season with the infrastructure/licensing to jump to A-League. Otherwise each season will always be an ad-hoc mess. But all this could be 50 years away haha. I'm just trying to find a way that works, regardless of attitudes and infighting.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone. That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it. Absolutely it is, but not incorrect. An oversimplification can only ever be partly correct. For example, APL, I would argue are motivated by survival. Greed, by any measure, is an inappropriate descriptor in the financial morass of the A League. Indeed, however survival requires a degree of greed Its what the system is "propped up" by. OK perhaps "greed" is an oversimplification, would "uber-capitalism" suffice? hahahahahaaha Well, greed is appropriating more than you need. To be fair, the A League clubs are all running at an loss, with the possible exception of the Adelaide.
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+x+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... what is the hybrid model APIA is going for? Selling 49% stake of the club to investors... trying to emulate the Bundi model.... sounds a great idea tbh
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+x+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... what is the hybrid model APIA is going for? Selling 49% stake of the club to investors... trying to emulate the Bundi model....
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+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. yeah the apl floated something like that. Promotion to the a league for a season is fine. They might struggle to expand much without the nst by the looks of it? They were planning to expand by 2 clubs per season
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+x+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs... what is the hybrid model APIA is going for?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xNeed at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best Should they start naming the "derbies" first and see where it goes? Yes, I'll start with South Melbourne vs Sydney Olympic the Yeeros & tzatziki derby..Rockdale Illinden vs Preston Mac the Chuvapi derby. WTF is "yeeros"??? Going with your food theme are most plastic derbies the "sausage roll and soggy chips derby"? What's a yeeros? Prefer Giros? Are you a real Greek re? Try Gyros.... its much tastier re lol Haha..
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+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? 25 million reasons plus the discussion also provides a smokescreen for gullible idiots as to why it's so shit The prosecutions case rests m'lud
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+xI see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha. The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs. I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable. Existing NST/NPL clubs will not be joining the Aleague in the near future... at least NOT in their current forms mate... Some may try a hybrid model like APIA has being trying to push since day dot, but their constitutions are as non for profit sports clubs...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone. That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it. Absolutely it is, but not incorrect. An oversimplification can only ever be partly correct. For example, APL, I would argue are motivated by survival. Greed, by any measure, is an inappropriate descriptor in the financial morass of the A League. Indeed, however survival requires a degree of greed Its what the system is "propped up" by. OK perhaps "greed" is an oversimplification, would "uber-capitalism" suffice? hahahahahaaha
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+x+x+x+x+xNeed at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best Should they start naming the "derbies" first and see where it goes? Yes, I'll start with South Melbourne vs Sydney Olympic the Yeeros & tzatziki derby..Rockdale Illinden vs Preston Mac the Chuvapi derby. WTF is "yeeros"??? Going with your food theme are most plastic derbies the "sausage roll and soggy chips derby"? What's a yeeros? Prefer Giros? Are you a real Greek re? Try Gyros.... its much tastier re lol
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I see expansion to 18 to 20 APL clubs, and they'll be split over two 16 team divisions with the best of the future NST clubs. The third tier would then be 2 or 4 conferences because 8 or 9 feds going into a second tier would do a bit of damage to clubs. The conferences would be 12 teams in each to reduce travel costs. I really should get around to posting my pyramid on here haha.
The seasons don't need to align, the A-League and NPL/conferences stay about where they are, and the NST season between the two. Transfer windows would adjust to suit all tiers. One point to note is that without season alignment we can't have relegation playoffs.
I'm all for expansion if it brings pathways, facilities, finance, growth etc. to large enough areas. And the total travel costs of an NST and conferences are about the same. With conferences there are more clubs so the cost per club and per match is much lower and affordable.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone. That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it. Absolutely it is, but not incorrect. Which I suppose, semantically speaking, is your point.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan I ask the question, why does the A-League need to expand? Personally I think 10 teams is fine, anything over 12 is pushing it. I'm for pro / rel (even though I think it will never happen) and I think creating franchises year after year is unsustainable. I understand having a NZ team but I'm not particularly for it, why does Canberra need a team? I know they have a women's team in the A-League W but I am completely unaware of them and npl capital football. mostly to get the season length up probably also helps to have more pathways Ah more pathways didn't think of that, makes sense tbh. Am I dense or would playing another team 3-4 times in a season work (Hint MLB)? Is there something logistical I'm over seeing? Mate, playing the same teams 3 or 4 times doesn't create more playing spots for footballers..... Perhaps it increases actual playing time, which is a good thing for developing players, but still keeps hundreds of talented players outside the tent. Yeah an oversight on my part. What do we think the limit on teams is realistically? For the Aleague? No idea... Only limitation is the greed of the APL. I can foresee an attempt at "expansion" into neighbouring countries within the next 5-10 years and there are at least another 5-10 "markets" in Australia/NZ they will try and sell to someone. That is a gross oversimplification, and you know it. Absolutely it is, but not incorrect. An oversimplification can only ever be partly correct. For example, APL, I would argue are motivated by survival. Greed, by any measure, is an inappropriate descriptor in the financial morass of the A League.
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+x+x+x+xNeed at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best Should they start naming the "derbies" first and see where it goes? Yes, I'll start with South Melbourne vs Sydney Olympic the Yeeros & tzatziki derby..Rockdale Illinden vs Preston Mac the Chuvapi derby. WTF is "yeeros"??? Going with your food theme are most plastic derbies the "sausage roll and soggy chips derby"? What's a yeeros? Prefer Giros? Are you a real Greek re?
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+x+x+xNeed at least 30 rounds so, 16 teams would be best Should they start naming the "derbies" first and see where it goes? Yes, I'll start with South Melbourne vs Sydney Olympic the Yeeros & tzatziki derby..Rockdale Illinden vs Preston Mac the Chuvapi derby. WTF is "yeeros"??? Going with your food theme are most plastic derbies the "sausage roll and soggy chips derby"?
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