We could try to expand to Wangaratta, but they'd start playing the in the Eredivisie instead after two games.

Would be perfect for the Vi$ion radio station.

totally agree. If you take the longest term view you could of the national league structure, its not impossible to picture 5-6 teams from sydney between 2 comps totalling 30-32 teams. 
WSW, Sydney, Liverpool, Campbelltown, Sutherland would be the go to's I would imagine, and then places like canterbury-bankstown, penrith and warringah could still be viable options

The mandatory Qld stadiums deal put a death sentence on the Fury and GCU.
Unfortunately nothing has changed since then and as such they aren't sustainable options in the top tier.

Thats fair. I understand that that deal is a joke and a killer. Hope they change that.

On that list alone Pala it's interesting to weight up.
South West Syd (Campbelltown), South Sydney (Sutherland/Cronulla based) and Wollongong are all screaming out for more use of their respective stadiums which is where our summer sport comes into play.
Without a second tenant, these stadiums will never have the ability to receive a significant upgrade in the short, medium and possibly long term future.
There is no doubt a potential HAL franchise can play hardball and offer the incentive of an extra 13 games per year which immediately sees return on investment for any future government funded upgrade.

Technically Canberra can fall under this bracket as well however GIO Stadium has 2 tenants with RL & RU which makes it slightly different.

Geelong also are looking for a second tenant @ Simmonds Stadium however i fear that a BBL franchise will hit the city first and provide the region with it's summer appetite for sport.

Qld Stadiums don't force franchises to hire their grounds

exactly. and if stadiums are lacking tenants surely from a negotiating position the league has the upper hand. poor management decisions is to blame (and shite club owners)

Isn't there a stadium/stand thingy being built for the commonwealth games? That Gold Coast City will use?

The transport levy tax is mandatory for all stadiums over 10,000 it has been reported.
That alone cost Brisbane Roar $500,000 last season.
It is also the reason why Clive shut 3/4 of the stadium down trying to avoid paying it and created the whole shambles with poor crowds, off-side fans and a pissed off FFA.

Why didn't the Qld government come to the rescue for these sides when they were going to lose their summer tenants? 

even if there is, i don't think the stadium is the problem. When titans CEO was questioned about wether he is nervous about the introduction of the gold coast suns afl team, he said not at all, the main competition for any team on the gold coast is the lifestyle. that kind of beach lifestyle (hard to really word) is what stifle's manly and titans in the nrl, and suns in afl. even the mariners to a minor extent. First their needs to be significant interest in football on the GC before they can even think about giving it another shot, otherwise they will be giving away free tickets every round to even get 5-10k people through the gates

Why is Queensland so backwards in that regard

South West Sydney at Campbelltown would be ok for a stop gap - but it also needs serious money. Geelong, Canberra, Wollongong and Shark Park as you said could play tomorrow.

Because Queensland.

Wouldn't say stop gap, i do agree it is missing a consortium (which is sort of the most important thing) to be the most attractive. But in terms location, stadium, population, playing numbers, TV Potential, minimal impact on current clubs, derbys and future growth it is ahead of most other bids, at least the Southern Sydney bid as they are already serviced by a team so any impact will be minimal. 

Having been to both campbelltown and Win stadium several times in the last 3-4 years, i have no idea why you think its a gap stop while wollongong could start tomorrow?

Townsville and Gold Coast have the infastructure too, but there's probably zero chance of that happening in the next phase of expansion.

QLD has had issues with stadiums and costs, and I doubt FFA will expand in NSW twice in one phase, the FFA has had issues with the Nix, though Auckland certainly has that 'fish where the fish are' appeal. Soooo I'm going to say South Sydney & Canberra will be the next teams, but Canberra doesn't really fit with what the FFA have been saying about big population centres.

Or they'll do a big FU to Australian football fans and put a team in South East Asia.

I'd certainly like to hear what this Brisbane consortium is offering though. How's that redcliffe dolphins stadium coming along?

Edit: On second thought the FFA have constantly spoken about big population centres which puts Wollongong, Canberra and Geelong out. So far we've heard of talks from a 2nd Adelaide, and a 2nd Brisbane, and we know FFA has had talks to Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia. So yeah I give up, I'll wait until bids are being submitted to the FFA.

FYI for comparative purposes, here are the current stadium deals for West Tigers & Cronulla Sharks at their respective stadiums reported in 2014

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/rabbitohs-show-why-you-should-try-this-at-home-20140425-zqzf1.html

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html

CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM
Capacity: 20,000
Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).
RevenueTicket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.
Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)
Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)
Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television
Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)


Remondis Stadium
Capacity: 22,000
ExpenditureOperational costs: $70,000 (Ticketing, security, police, big screen)
Maintenance/utilities: $48,000 (The Sharks own their ground, so they are responsible for the maintenance of the stadium)Total: $118,000
RevenueMerchandise: $17,000 per game
Corporates: $145,000 per game
Ticket sales: $93,000 per game
Signage: $40,000 per game
Catering: $10,000 per game
Total: $305,000 per game
The Sharks are the only club in Sydney to own their own ground. Their game day expenditure is far greater than any other team given they have to pay for the maintenance and upkeep of the ground. The Sharks don't have a major sponsor but still managed average crowds in excess of 13,000 the past two seasons. They have started 2014 with a home crowd average of 11,903 for their first four games.

Aussie pride
You have confused me.Are all those figures expenses or some revenue?
You have left out one important figure.The cost of hiring the venue.If you own the venue outright ,you dont have that cost.
Normally hiring costs far exceed maintenance costs.
You have ticket sales revenue for Campbelltown at $170k for a sellout and For Cronulla 93k per game......Please explain the difference.The stadium capacities are virtually the same.
Maintenance costs for Cronulla.Are these per year?If so per game they would be minimal.
Cronulla by owning their stadium get a lot more revenue along with increased costs.But I would assume ,corporate boxes,merchandise,catering,signage are all pure profit per game.I just cant siphon this data from what you have presented.

Overall very i teresting data.But a bit more if you can?

Hi buddy have a look at these two links below. Unfortunately the new forum format is creating real havoc with copying and pasting articles.
The SMH link provides the detail and format you should need 

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/rabbitohs-show-why-you-should-try-this-at-home-20140425-zqzf1.html

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html

The way I read the articles, Cronulla is calculated at their season average crowd for that season 13,000. The Campbelltown figure assumes that West Tigers are playing in front of a sell out crowd. Even accounting for that the Campbelltown figure seems a bit high compared to Cronulla's, unless the West Tigers are charging about 20% more than the Sharks for tickets.

Smfc should rank with your first group of examples. They play out of imo the best boutique stadium in the country. How do they not have stadium/infrastructure that ranks them in your 'turnkey tmrw' category?

And as far as investment, they have shown to be competant in establishing significant corporate partenrrships. Their current shirt sponsor is as credible as hal clubs (if not more than some). i domt understand why youve singled them out as requiring investment any more than the clubs that youve listed which dont need it. is there a methodology that your using that im missing? FFA will be pumping millions of dollars into any club that is selected for exapnsion anyway. And Its not like they arent the pinnacle example of how to run a NPL club well.

As far as Auckland, what makes them unique, as opposed to the Gold Coast, in being a failed expansion option that should be revisited? Again, is there something im missing? People should be just as enthused about reigniting GCU as they are the kingzzzzzzzz. And why stop at Auckland? Shouldnt we then be also assessing clubs from singapore, malaysia, hong kong etc who could turnkey tmrw based on what stadium they play out of? What makes NZ so special? i dont get it..,

If the only answer is a nz derby, well that would be a fixture that would garner negligible TV interest in the country to whom the league belongs ....its lunacy to invest our tv money there truth be told.

Wellington are arguably a failure... dismall memberships and crowd numbers, no onfield success.... and as ive stated before, the list of abberant administrative anomalies caused by non confed clubs and the nix's quite public agenda for nz player pathways, and the betterment of the all whites..........makes the idea that an auckland team, that has been a proven failure in the past compounded with the quagmmire that is the nix, somehow not sound like the silver bullet for aus football to me.

Proven Failure + currnet failure ≠ success.

i dont think lakeside would be a suitable a-league stadium. surely if they were to ever be part of the aleague the investors would need to fix up the distance because having a 1/4 of the stadium as restricted view is no good.

There is nothing wrong with the view. I would take Lakeside any day over Etihad or Adelaide Oval where you are genuinely miles away. That said, there would be nothing stopping them for putting temporary stands behind the goals like you see at over grounds overseas.

Scotstoun Stadium in Glasgow got these put over the track when they hosted the Rugby 7's and they worked great.

Wow, I'm not "singling anyone out", I just posted a vague list and invited people to come up with their own ideas.

Having been to post renno Lakeside a number of times I do believe it'd require some work to cater for the interest South Melbourne would receive if they got a shot in the A-League. If you think that's a slight from my view on South Melbourne you're welcome to your view but I think the opposite is actually true.

I think your post came out a little bit more defensive than you might have intended.

I think you'll find that my post was specifically addressing physical infrastructure, and not any of the other issues that you are expanding upon.

I'd be delighted to see that, but now that they share the lease with the VIS it might be a bone of contention.

Suffice it to say that they'd be mad to host a potential derby with Victory or even City at a venue where they can only sell so many tickets.

If only it stayed in rectangular mode; I remember that fondly.

If recent media reports are correct, we have potential bidders...

 AU City... long standing club and could share existing facilities for matches and the team has a history and local support.

South Melbourne... Long History existing ground is HHHHHmmmmm needs work but their appears to be investors willing to invest.

Tassie .... is putting in a bid ... looks like using an oval ground, small population and would the AFL just invade with matches ...

Geelong ... not sure about this bid a regional centre very AFL town ...

Canberra ... Strong Rugby Union / League town with The Great Waste of Space playing some games very crowded sports market ... having access to a quality playing surface could be an issue.... there are bidders ...

South Western Sydney ... Son of the the Drive Bys huge potential, stadium ready to go only issue is the Macauthur area is not a Football heartland like Liverpool / Fairfield up the road ... however has a lot going for it.

Southern Sydney ... Could it kill SFC is the issue as many SFC fans come from this area .... two small stadiums to choose from ... will either work or drag fans from SFC... but there is a bidder ...

A Sydney United along with a couple of other former NSL clubs add to SU stadium at Liverpool similar issue to South Melbourne in many ways... but they have backers ...

Brisbane former Strikers and Lyons teams making noises and a bid expected to arrive soon... stadium is the big issue...

Me I would go for AU City + Sydney United along with some former NSL clubs in Liverpool ... will hurt WSW but WSW should be able to deal with it..

Nice to see  so many bidders ... sorta puts pressure on the Nux board to pick up their game otherwise the "M" word could hurt them in 3 or so years.