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A16Man wrote:4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry I need to add to that - in 2001-02 when the Wolves won their second title, they did crack 11k in the semi-final - here's a story from someone that was there; I think you'll find it was 2000/2001 ;) Good read and video nonetheless. :) I even remember typing it and thinking oh I need to go and change that :lol: my bad. Seriously, I know you're biased cause you're from? live in? wollongong, but how good would Wollongong away be [-o<
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4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry I need to add to that - in 2001-02 when the Wolves won their second title, they did crack 11k in the semi-final - here's a story from someone that was there; I think you'll find it was 2000/2001 ;) Good read and video nonetheless. :)
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Hang about, managed to find footage of said match - brilliant!
[youtube]Jg6zp_ZtFPI[/youtube]
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4wanderer4 wrote:We are f*kn [size=6]retarted[/size] if we don't at least start putting pressure on to get going down there. So is this a thing on here now?
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petszk wrote:Whenever Canberra is mentioned, there are a lot of naysayers, pointing out the rubbish crowds that the Cosmos got. But Wollongong seem to be immune from this criticism for some reason. Certainly here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_National_Soccer_League their crowds were low - lower than Glory, Adelaide Utd, South Melbourne and probably even Sydney Utd and Newcastle (can't be bothered calculating the average for the season). Ok, a couple of counter points: 1) The club wasn't as successful come 2003-04 which was on the back of a couple of poor seasons. Crowds were naturally not as strong. 2) NSL crowds can't be the be all and end all. If you look at the attendance for most of the games on that link, they're around 1-3000 with the exclusion of South, Perth and Adelaide (who all didn't get much higher crowds consistently). 3) The NSL wasn't anywhere near the A-League in terms of exposure and media attention. 4) As far as A-League crowds go, it'd be expected we'd get a decent amount of travelling support from the two Sydney sides and to a lesser extent from CCM and Newy.
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Sorry I need to add to that - in 2001-02 when the Wolves won their second title, they did crack 11k in the semi-final - here's a story from someone that was there; Chris Kunz wrote:I enjoyed a great evening of football at WIN Stadium last night. Two very competitive teams playing attractive football, good atmosphere and a near capacity crowd (and Wolves record) of 11,201 - and a late winner to the home side - what more could a football fan ask for? I joined the thousands on foot traversing neighbouring and not so nearby streets - headed to Wollongong's biggest home game of the season. The evening was fine and the sea breeze, such a feature of my previous visit to the then Wollongong Showground in 1981 (with fellow listee Warren Green) - when we watched Wollongong City debut in the NSL against Sydney Olympic - was calmed in anticipation of a greater occasion ahead. I spilt, like a nut in a sea of assorted delicasies through the Hill turnstyle and down a covered area, to emerge in front of a gathering array adorning the Hill's 45 degree slope. Up above, perched in a lookout tower that could have been borrowed from a cut-price Stalag 13, was Mike Cockerill and his crew with C7 cameras - preparing with their backs to the sea wall just metres behind them, and anticipating a backs-to-the-wall performance from South Melbourne - just minutes ahead. I strode amongst many black leather jackets - of seemingly Macedonian or Italian parentage, duffle coats and sloppy joes of Anglo and of Australian heritage - the 'Gong of today. Most were under forty and about 85% male. I took up position at the back of the main Hill at the halfway line, standing to my full 191cm (6ft 3.5") enabling me to see over all in front - consequently blocking any on the Concourse behind. After a few minutes I was joined by a near mirror image in height. We must have be doing our own mental comparisons, for we looked at each other and acknowledged the advantage our stature provides. I asked if he was a regular, and he told me he had watched football in Wollongong and elsewhere since 1963. I mentally apologised for seeming to turn this into an episode from 'Tales from the Urinal' but proffered 1961 as my initiation into our addiction. As the evening's spectacle played out before us, we traversed the years, only to marvel at the occasions we had unknowingly shared: WC v Iran (Sportsground, 1973); attack on Baartz's (v Uruguay, SCG also 1973); the Centenary game v England (SCG, 1980); The 'Gong's debut in the NSL... and so it went on, just like two war veterans reliving their battles. He spoke of his German father, and I of my Germanic surname. I introduced myself. He smiled, then laughed. "Holz", he said, "Gunnar Holz." Gunnar, it turns out is a 47year old (3 years my senior) Superintendant of the Power Station at the Port Kembla Steelworks. His team broke, time and again, with the speed and precision of molten metal, flung from the furnace that is the broiling heart of the Wolves deep midfield, tempered by hours of practise and now years of success. It had the hypnotic attraction of a volcanic explosion - its speed, accuracy and devasting effect made it just beautiful to watch - which the opposition did to its peril. No other NSL team can play this way. South Melbourne, needed all their short passing, great close control, possession play and twisting and turning, to worm their way back after falling behind. The 200 South fans, who had shown admirable control in remaining perfectly silent during a minute tribute to a just deceased Wolves stalwart, exploded into temporary life when Boutsi scored to equalise. Their only other memorable contribution was two flares thrown from their midst, to significant derision from the locals. The sea change anticipated from halftime seemed to eventuate as the Wolves searched in vain for the ball, being sheltered from their grasp by an increasingly confident visitor. But then came David, David Cervinski, to face the Goliath that was the NSL Minor Premier. Cervinski arose - and all did quake before him. He became a giant among his fellow Wolves defenders, stopping the South advance in its tracks and delivering passes with the accuracy of a slingshot (yes, I know what you are thinking, but I did see them with my own eyes). He and Horsley lifted the Wolves to another level and they started to take control once more - the tide had turned. A deserved penalty brought victory, and a week more shall tell us whether Souths can keep the Wolf from the Grand Final's door. Gunnar watched all this in what I am sure is his usual quiet, reserved style - but there were moments when I could see the excitement was getting to him. He would look at me with a big smile, stretch forward to glimpse a corner, or seem to (almost imperceptibly) bop to the rhythm of the nearby Wolves samba drum beat. As fulltime on a costal night sucked the assorted throng from Win Stadium like a vaccum cleaner cleans up after a wild party, I turned to Gunnar and said "It is on evenings like this one, big crowds, atmosphere, great football, that I realise why I love this game so much!" Gunnar looked at me and smiled, then nodded - he didn't have to say anything - but I know we'll meet again, some football day... http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/20002001/reports/report087.html
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paulbagzFC wrote:Nix might be out as soon as 2016 anyways.
-PB Don't tell TSF :-$
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petszk wrote:Whenever Canberra is mentioned, there are a lot of naysayers, pointing out the rubbish crowds that the Cosmos got. But Wollongong seem to be immune from this criticism for some reason. Certainly here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_National_Soccer_League their crowds were low - lower than Glory, Adelaide Utd, South Melbourne and probably even Sydney Utd and Newcastle (can't be bothered calculating the average for the season). They also got 10,900 to a game against Adelaide City at a ground with some coalwash hills and a grandstand holding less than 2k... http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/9798/Playoff.htmlI've seen many Wollongong people write, "we had the potential - we just never reached it for various reasons". I don't think it will at all be indicative of their potential in the Aleague, and I say the same for Canberra. Both will be very good additions to the league in the next few years and instantly be cracking 10k with no trouble at all.
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Whenever Canberra is mentioned, there are a lot of naysayers, pointing out the rubbish crowds that the Cosmos got. But Wollongong seem to be immune from this criticism for some reason. Certainly here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_National_Soccer_League their crowds were low - lower than Glory, Adelaide Utd, South Melbourne and probably even Sydney Utd and Newcastle (can't be bothered calculating the average for the season).
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Honestly its a horrible decision if Wollongong in the least aren't given a team before 2017. That West Dapto facility for South Coast, the local government would be much more inclined to put in funds if the FFA got off their arse and had a serious talk with the Illawarra council or NSW govt and said look, if you fund this project- Wollongong will have an A-league team by 2018. We are f*kn retarted if we don't at least start putting pressure on to get going down there. If the West Dapto facility gets going - bam, you've got instant training and admin facilities plus a ground for the new club to play NYL and or W-league matches at plus make a bit of money with even a social club and club shop there. It's frustrating me to think the FFA are that stupid and concerned with "being conservative and cautious" - a slow build from now isn't what we need, we need to capitalise on the momentum and the upcoming Asian Cup and money coming into the game from tv rights. We need to be offering more than some dicky little 9-team Aussie comp playing 3 times each team, with a half-assed FFA Cup and disinterested attempts in ACL and Asian competitions if we want it to keep going.
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the FFA need to 1. Get the govt to provide funds to build this base in west dapto first: http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1612429/south-coast-football-seeking-a-fair-go-on-funds/2. Sell of the Wanderers so they have some funds 3. Bring in a marquee man (a local) like Luke Wilkshit or Cahill is local enough (Livepool..) Edited by yoshi2284: 13/11/2013 02:46:51 PM
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league will become stale without expansion, we need wollongong wolves in 2016.
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Wollongong + Canberra/Geelong/Hobart after the Asian Cup.
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David Gallop wrote: "We don't see expansion on the agenda in the short to medium term," he said.
This probably cancels out any expansion at the end of this tv deal. More likely at the end of the next one which i assume would be 2021. This is probably for the best imo, Canberra will have a new stadium in the CBD by then, Ipswich is given time to rapidly grow its population, more time to get a stadium deal done in SW sydney etc.... Edited by tbitm: 13/11/2013 01:46:52 PM
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It would be a lot easier for people from the sydney region to get to wollongong rather than canberra and guarantee some sell outs..
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maninorange wrote:Following the next TV deal being finalised; Wollongong and Ipswich should be first choices for expansion as they both lie in population catchments of over 1M people and their presence will add another 9 derbies to the season.
After this, Auckland and Canberra should be considered in the following TV rights renewal (or perhaps the one after). Wollongong won't add any derbies and its population is well under half a million. Its not part of Sydney and never has been.
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Following the next TV deal being finalised; Wollongong and Ipswich should be first choices for expansion as they both lie in population catchments of over 1M people and their presence will add another 9 derbies to the season.
After this, Auckland and Canberra should be considered in the following TV rights renewal (or perhaps the one after).
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For the sake of this thread, i reckon we should look at the ACT, Wollongong/Campbelltown and NQ (in a proper manner) as areas to grow the game.
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paladisious wrote:4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry to keep banging the Wolves drum but here's a fact for you -
In more than 33 years of history since 1980, the Wolves have never been relegated even though basically every season they have played in it has been a possibility. How many clubs in the country or indeed anywhere can pull a stat like that out? For the sake of respecting history I must correct you in that they were relegated from NSW Premier League in 2009. Those were some lean years for Wolves. They're near the top of my list for expansion regardless. Who knows, if they were straight into the A-League as expected like Newy and CCM they would have been up there all along. Mike Cockerill LIED TO ME? :twisted: Cockerill wrote:True enough there was a NSWPL championship in 2008, but as a business, and a football club, the Wolves have largely been a shadow of their former selves. And now they find themselves facing a moment of truth - this weekend's final match of the home-and-away season against Central Coast Mariners will determine whether the Wolves drop to the second-tier of state league football for the first time in their proud 33-year history. For the club which gave us Scott Chipperfield, Matt Horsley, two swashbuckling NSL title-winning teams, and the greatest grand final in history, relegation would amount to a staggering fall from grace. http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/cockerill-opinion-display/wolves-must-dare-to-dream/72633
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Nix might be out as soon as 2016 anyways. -PB
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paladisious wrote:4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry to keep banging the Wolves drum but here's a fact for you -
In more than 33 years of history since 1980, the Wolves have never been relegated even though basically every season they have played in it has been a possibility. How many clubs in the country or indeed anywhere can pull a stat like that out? For the sake of respecting history I must correct you in that they were relegated from NSW Premier League in 2009.Those were some lean years for Wolves. They're near the top of my list for expansion regardless. Who knows, if they were straight into the A-League as expected like Newy and CCM they would have been up there all along. [-x The Wolves came last, but weren't relegated that season. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NSW_Premier_League_season
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Jowel wrote:David Gallop wrote:
"Certainly the experience in Australian sport generally is that you need to be looking at areas with millions of people not hundreds of thousands if you're going to really have a viable crack at it.
Based on this logic, the FFA can really only be looking at Auckland for a new team, as it has millions of people. Either that or go a second team in Brisbane, Perth or Adelaide. Why don't the FFA commission a detailed investigation of A-league expansion and set out a blue print for the future. Didn't the AFL do such an exercise back long ago which set out the path for expansion of the competition? I believe Crawford did this study. Looking at David Gallop's history with the NRL, he was mostly a man who wanted to consolidate what the NRL had and was very hesitant on expanding the competition. And this will be his downfall if he continues in that fashion with the A-League. We can't keep looking at the millions. We need to see potential to grow. If Palmer didnt fuck up the GCU we'd have a strong front in Queensland and more local derbies but WSW should have been put before them. I reckon we need to revisit the option and solidify football againt the NRL territories.
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David Gallop wrote:
"Certainly the experience in Australian sport generally is that you need to be looking at areas with millions of people not hundreds of thousands if you're going to really have a viable crack at it.
Based on this logic, the FFA can really only be looking at Auckland for a new team, as it has millions of people. Either that or go a second team in Brisbane, Perth or Adelaide. Why don't the FFA commission a detailed investigation of A-league expansion and set out a blue print for the future. Didn't the AFL do such an exercise back long ago which set out the path for expansion of the competition? I believe Crawford did this study. Looking at David Gallop's history with the NRL, he was mostly a man who wanted to consolidate what the NRL had and was very hesitant on expanding the competition.
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Another big-name European club will head to Australia for an exhibition match against the A-League All Stars next year, FFA chief executive David Gallop has confirmed. A year to the day since Gallop began his tenure at the governing body, he recalls the debut of the All Star concept last July as one of the highlights of his first 12 months on the job. A capacity ANZ Stadium crowd of more than 83,000 turned up to watch the A-League's finest take on Manchester United in July. Four days later, an even bigger crowd poured into the MCG to witness fellow English Premier League giants Liverpool play Melbourne Victory. Advertisement On the back of such success, Gallop confirmed the All-Star event would return next year with an opponent of a similar calibre. Gallop would not confirm which club the FFA was already negotiating with but Alessandro Del Piero's former Italian club Juventus is reported to be the frontrunner. "One of the highlights of this last year was the visits of those two big clubs and the creation of the All Stars - that's something that we see as an important new initiative," he told AAP on Tuesday. "We're currently looking at locking down a good opponent that will excite fans for next year. "We're looking at a big European club and it would happen after the World Cup." Gallop said he was delighted with the growth he had witnessed in the A-League during the past 12 months and said the FFA Cup, due to kick off next year, would give the league another boost. He cited record crowds and TV ratings as a clear indication the competition was on track, but ruled out any plans for expansion any time soon. "We don't see expansion on the agenda in the short to medium term," he said. "Huge investments have been made by individuals into A-League clubs and we need to protect those investments and make sure that the competition is in the best shape possible before we consider expanding it. "The good news is that off the back of a number of commercial deals, the financial picture of the A-League is much, much healthier than it ever has been but we need to continue to protect the investment that our current owners have made." Twice, a second team in Queensland has failed with North Queensland Fury and Gold Coast folding. And while Canberra has been thrown up as an option, Gallop all but ruled out the nation's capital, based on it's relatively small population.
"We haven't identified what our target zones would be," he said.
"Certainly the experience in Australian sport generally is that you need to be looking at areas with millions of people not hundreds of thousands if you're going to really have a viable crack at it."It is something we need to do at some point but not necessarily right now." AAP Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/big-euro-club-to-play-aleague-all-stars-in-2014-20131112-2xcy4.html#ixzz2kSwQNJV7 Looks like Gallop is not looking at regional areas for next expansion. Edited by robbos: 13/11/2013 07:39:28 AM
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4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry to keep banging the Wolves drum but here's a fact for you -
In more than 33 years of history since 1980, the Wolves have never been relegated even though basically every season they have played in it has been a possibility. How many clubs in the country or indeed anywhere can pull a stat like that out? For the sake of respecting history I must correct you in that they were relegated from NSW Premier League in 2009. Those were some lean years for Wolves. They're near the top of my list for expansion regardless. Who knows, if they were straight into the A-League as expected like Newy and CCM they would have been up there all along.
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TheSelectFew wrote:Exile wrote:4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry to keep banging the Wolves drum but here's a fact for you -
In more than 33 years of history since 1980, the Wolves have never been relegated even though basically every season they have played in it has been a possibility. How many clubs in the country or indeed anywhere can pull a stat like that out? Heaps.:-k Yeah, a few can pull that card. Fair, carry on then. Considering how hard it seems to be for them though, just seems like more of an achievement to me.
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Exile wrote:4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry to keep banging the Wolves drum but here's a fact for you -
In more than 33 years of history since 1980, the Wolves have never been relegated even though basically every season they have played in it has been a possibility. How many clubs in the country or indeed anywhere can pull a stat like that out? Heaps.:-k Yeah, a few can pull that card.
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4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry to keep banging the Wolves drum but here's a fact for you -
In more than 33 years of history since 1980, the Wolves have never been relegated even though basically every season they have played in it has been a possibility. How many clubs in the country or indeed anywhere can pull a stat like that out? Heaps.:-k
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Sorry to keep banging the Wolves drum but here's a fact for you -
In more than 33 years of history since 1980, the Wolves have never been relegated even though basically every season they have played in it has been a possibility. How many clubs in the country or indeed anywhere can pull a stat like that out?
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