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Honestly its a horrible decision if Wollongong in the least aren't given a team before 2017. That West Dapto facility for South Coast, the local government would be much more inclined to put in funds if the FFA got off their arse and had a serious talk with the Illawarra council or NSW govt and said look, if you fund this project- Wollongong will have an A-league team by 2018. We are f*kn retarted if we don't at least start putting pressure on to get going down there. If the West Dapto facility gets going - bam, you've got instant training and admin facilities plus a ground for the new club to play NYL and or W-league matches at plus make a bit of money with even a social club and club shop there. It's frustrating me to think the FFA are that stupid and concerned with "being conservative and cautious" - a slow build from now isn't what we need, we need to capitalise on the momentum and the upcoming Asian Cup and money coming into the game from tv rights. We need to be offering more than some dicky little 9-team Aussie comp playing 3 times each team, with a half-assed FFA Cup and disinterested attempts in ACL and Asian competitions if we want it to keep going.
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Whenever Canberra is mentioned, there are a lot of naysayers, pointing out the rubbish crowds that the Cosmos got. But Wollongong seem to be immune from this criticism for some reason. Certainly here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_National_Soccer_League their crowds were low - lower than Glory, Adelaide Utd, South Melbourne and probably even Sydney Utd and Newcastle (can't be bothered calculating the average for the season).
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petszk wrote:Whenever Canberra is mentioned, there are a lot of naysayers, pointing out the rubbish crowds that the Cosmos got. But Wollongong seem to be immune from this criticism for some reason. Certainly here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_National_Soccer_League their crowds were low - lower than Glory, Adelaide Utd, South Melbourne and probably even Sydney Utd and Newcastle (can't be bothered calculating the average for the season). They also got 10,900 to a game against Adelaide City at a ground with some coalwash hills and a grandstand holding less than 2k... http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/9798/Playoff.htmlI've seen many Wollongong people write, "we had the potential - we just never reached it for various reasons". I don't think it will at all be indicative of their potential in the Aleague, and I say the same for Canberra. Both will be very good additions to the league in the next few years and instantly be cracking 10k with no trouble at all.
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paulbagzFC wrote:Nix might be out as soon as 2016 anyways.
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Sorry I need to add to that - in 2001-02 when the Wolves won their second title, they did crack 11k in the semi-final - here's a story from someone that was there; Chris Kunz wrote:I enjoyed a great evening of football at WIN Stadium last night. Two very competitive teams playing attractive football, good atmosphere and a near capacity crowd (and Wolves record) of 11,201 - and a late winner to the home side - what more could a football fan ask for? I joined the thousands on foot traversing neighbouring and not so nearby streets - headed to Wollongong's biggest home game of the season. The evening was fine and the sea breeze, such a feature of my previous visit to the then Wollongong Showground in 1981 (with fellow listee Warren Green) - when we watched Wollongong City debut in the NSL against Sydney Olympic - was calmed in anticipation of a greater occasion ahead. I spilt, like a nut in a sea of assorted delicasies through the Hill turnstyle and down a covered area, to emerge in front of a gathering array adorning the Hill's 45 degree slope. Up above, perched in a lookout tower that could have been borrowed from a cut-price Stalag 13, was Mike Cockerill and his crew with C7 cameras - preparing with their backs to the sea wall just metres behind them, and anticipating a backs-to-the-wall performance from South Melbourne - just minutes ahead. I strode amongst many black leather jackets - of seemingly Macedonian or Italian parentage, duffle coats and sloppy joes of Anglo and of Australian heritage - the 'Gong of today. Most were under forty and about 85% male. I took up position at the back of the main Hill at the halfway line, standing to my full 191cm (6ft 3.5") enabling me to see over all in front - consequently blocking any on the Concourse behind. After a few minutes I was joined by a near mirror image in height. We must have be doing our own mental comparisons, for we looked at each other and acknowledged the advantage our stature provides. I asked if he was a regular, and he told me he had watched football in Wollongong and elsewhere since 1963. I mentally apologised for seeming to turn this into an episode from 'Tales from the Urinal' but proffered 1961 as my initiation into our addiction. As the evening's spectacle played out before us, we traversed the years, only to marvel at the occasions we had unknowingly shared: WC v Iran (Sportsground, 1973); attack on Baartz's (v Uruguay, SCG also 1973); the Centenary game v England (SCG, 1980); The 'Gong's debut in the NSL... and so it went on, just like two war veterans reliving their battles. He spoke of his German father, and I of my Germanic surname. I introduced myself. He smiled, then laughed. "Holz", he said, "Gunnar Holz." Gunnar, it turns out is a 47year old (3 years my senior) Superintendant of the Power Station at the Port Kembla Steelworks. His team broke, time and again, with the speed and precision of molten metal, flung from the furnace that is the broiling heart of the Wolves deep midfield, tempered by hours of practise and now years of success. It had the hypnotic attraction of a volcanic explosion - its speed, accuracy and devasting effect made it just beautiful to watch - which the opposition did to its peril. No other NSL team can play this way. South Melbourne, needed all their short passing, great close control, possession play and twisting and turning, to worm their way back after falling behind. The 200 South fans, who had shown admirable control in remaining perfectly silent during a minute tribute to a just deceased Wolves stalwart, exploded into temporary life when Boutsi scored to equalise. Their only other memorable contribution was two flares thrown from their midst, to significant derision from the locals. The sea change anticipated from halftime seemed to eventuate as the Wolves searched in vain for the ball, being sheltered from their grasp by an increasingly confident visitor. But then came David, David Cervinski, to face the Goliath that was the NSL Minor Premier. Cervinski arose - and all did quake before him. He became a giant among his fellow Wolves defenders, stopping the South advance in its tracks and delivering passes with the accuracy of a slingshot (yes, I know what you are thinking, but I did see them with my own eyes). He and Horsley lifted the Wolves to another level and they started to take control once more - the tide had turned. A deserved penalty brought victory, and a week more shall tell us whether Souths can keep the Wolf from the Grand Final's door. Gunnar watched all this in what I am sure is his usual quiet, reserved style - but there were moments when I could see the excitement was getting to him. He would look at me with a big smile, stretch forward to glimpse a corner, or seem to (almost imperceptibly) bop to the rhythm of the nearby Wolves samba drum beat. As fulltime on a costal night sucked the assorted throng from Win Stadium like a vaccum cleaner cleans up after a wild party, I turned to Gunnar and said "It is on evenings like this one, big crowds, atmosphere, great football, that I realise why I love this game so much!" Gunnar looked at me and smiled, then nodded - he didn't have to say anything - but I know we'll meet again, some football day... http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/20002001/reports/report087.html
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petszk wrote:Whenever Canberra is mentioned, there are a lot of naysayers, pointing out the rubbish crowds that the Cosmos got. But Wollongong seem to be immune from this criticism for some reason. Certainly here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_National_Soccer_League their crowds were low - lower than Glory, Adelaide Utd, South Melbourne and probably even Sydney Utd and Newcastle (can't be bothered calculating the average for the season). Ok, a couple of counter points: 1) The club wasn't as successful come 2003-04 which was on the back of a couple of poor seasons. Crowds were naturally not as strong. 2) NSL crowds can't be the be all and end all. If you look at the attendance for most of the games on that link, they're around 1-3000 with the exclusion of South, Perth and Adelaide (who all didn't get much higher crowds consistently). 3) The NSL wasn't anywhere near the A-League in terms of exposure and media attention. 4) As far as A-League crowds go, it'd be expected we'd get a decent amount of travelling support from the two Sydney sides and to a lesser extent from CCM and Newy.
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4wanderer4 wrote:We are f*kn [size=6]retarted[/size] if we don't at least start putting pressure on to get going down there. So is this a thing on here now?
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Hang about, managed to find footage of said match - brilliant!
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4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry I need to add to that - in 2001-02 when the Wolves won their second title, they did crack 11k in the semi-final - here's a story from someone that was there; I think you'll find it was 2000/2001 ;) Good read and video nonetheless. :)
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A16Man wrote:4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry I need to add to that - in 2001-02 when the Wolves won their second title, they did crack 11k in the semi-final - here's a story from someone that was there; I think you'll find it was 2000/2001 ;) Good read and video nonetheless. :) I even remember typing it and thinking oh I need to go and change that :lol: my bad. Seriously, I know you're biased cause you're from? live in? wollongong, but how good would Wollongong away be [-o<
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4wanderer4 wrote:A16Man wrote:4wanderer4 wrote:Sorry I need to add to that - in 2001-02 when the Wolves won their second title, they did crack 11k in the semi-final - here's a story from someone that was there; I think you'll find it was 2000/2001 ;) Good read and video nonetheless. :) I even remember typing it and thinking oh I need to go and change that :lol: my bad. Seriously, I know you're biased cause you're from? live in? wollongong, but how good would Wollongong away be [-o< Yeah I live in Wollongong. I reckon it'd be a great away trip and as I said before, you'd get a decent number of people making it. Ah well I can only hope. [-o<
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From the OP. I added positions on the ladder for them that season.
Canberra
Canberra Cosmos
1995/96 - 2,910 - 9/12 1996/97 - 2,939 - 14/14 1997/98 - 2,719 - 14/14 1998/99 - 2,336 - 15/15 1999/00 - 2,428 - 14/16 2000/01 - 2,184 - 11/15
Wollongong
Wollongong City/Wollongong Wolves
1995/96 - 2,873 - 11/12 1996/97 - 4,701 - As Wollongong Wolves - 10/14 1997/98 - 5,567 - 6/14 1998/99 - 3,560 - 10/15 1999/00 - 4,939 - 2/16 2000/01 - 5,104 - 2/15 2001/02 - 3,403 - 10/13 2002/03 - 3,025 - 13/13 2003/04 - 2,569 - 9/13
So it seems that its fair to say that results kept Canberra down. I don't think it's fair to say that because they had low support in NSL they wouldn't work today.
Wollongong showed they didn't need results to have good crowds in 98 which was their best year. But in later years, having good results certainly didn't hurt.
Definitely when you add in the exposure the A-League has over the NSL they could be a viable team. But ironically Adelaide United, Newcastle Jets and Perth Glory have all gone down in attendances since the A-League started.
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tbitm wrote:But ironically Adelaide United, Newcastle Jets and Perth Glory have all gone down in attendances since the A-League started. I don't know where you're getting your stats on Newcastle but from mine, in the 03-04 season they were at 7k and are now at 12k? 2 reasons I can think of for Adelaide and Perth lower attendances are that tickets are far more expensive these days, add in the shite food and expensive beer and its not a great day out... Probably also because you couldn't see the matches on tv in those days, if you cared about the team you had to be there - which meant all of the NSL matches used to kick off at good local viewing times as well rather than for example this 2:30pm farce in Perth which could ruin their momentum of good support as well as the actual football match.
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Haven't WSW proved to us that if you play at a decent football ground, ask the people what colors, badge and culture they want then give it to them, have a well organised active support and get a decent squad of players with a local touch plus the coach they most want, and a marquee man that is still fit and can deliver whilst being a local hero (Shinji, find the new equivalent) you will be successful? Wollongong can have all of that, plus the trump card that they have a legacy of 2 championships and 24 years of previous national level football. Instant success!
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aufc_ole wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Nix might be out as soon as 2016 anyways.
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4wanderer4 wrote:Haven't WSW proved to us that if you play at a decent football ground, ask the people what colors, badge and culture they want then give it to them, have a well organised active support and get a decent squad of players with a local touch plus the coach they most want, and a marquee man that is still fit and can deliver whilst being a local hero (Shinji, find the new equivalent) you will be successful? Wollongong can have all of that, plus the trump card that they have a legacy of 2 championships and 24 years of previous national level football. Instant success! This is why I would love it if the Wolves joined the comp rather than a brand new team (if we get a team). The Wolves have a great history and identity and are part of the sporting landscape here (albeit to a much lesser extent these days). Whilst I wouldn't complain if it's a completely separate entity, I think it'd be much better to have this history associated with a club.
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Anyone that is interested in finding out more about why the Wolves went from National Champions to needing community ownership in order to survive - I've dug up some info about why their ground never materialized. I'm sure there are better sources of detail out there - but it seems to me a little bit silly and sad that the Wolves managed to go from a multi-million dollar asset to great debts and nothing in just a few years the poor guys. Who knows, if it had been them that owned this site, things could be very different. Hopefully they can recover though and get up into the A-league sooner rather than later. Illawarra Mercury wrote:In just 14 months, Lysaghts Oval has been transformed from a "totally derelict" site to a ground that will be the envy of the Illawarra Coal Cup.
The work has been done by Collegians Rugby League Club, which bought the site in November 2011 for $2.2 million.
The Figtree site had a chequered history. Mooted a decade ago as the home ground of the then Wollongong Wolves soccer team, after it was evicted from Brandon Park to make way for the Innovation Campus, the ground was never completed despite a $3 million government grant.
The NSW government considered legal action against the key players and also Wollongong City Council, which was trustee of the grant, but opted not to pursue the matter in July last year. Rest of the article - http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1420603/gallery-lysaghts-oval-transformed-into-football-showpiece/This is what the Wolves could have owned as their own -
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Yep it's a shame that Collies bought that ground off the Wolves. Would've been a great little stadium for the club to own and play out of. Unfortunately, as has been the case with Football down here for so long, there were broken promises and mishandled finances. :(
Things do seem to be on the rise in recent times though. There's been some real positive noises coming out of Football South Coast recently.
If anyone's interested in further reading, Mike Cockerill has written some great articles about the plights of the Wolves towards the end of his time at the SMH and one or two since writing for the FFA's website.
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patjennings wrote:aufc_ole wrote:patjennings wrote:First question is what will add value to the HAL.
1) More content 2) Wider audience 3) Truly national footprint
With that in mind my teams would be
1. Sydney FC 2. Western Sydney Wanderers 3. Central Coast Mariners 4. Newcastle Jets 5. Melbourne Victory 6. Melbourne Heart 7. Adelaide United 8. Perth Glory 9. Brisbane Roar 10 Wellington Phoenix
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11. Canberra 12. South Coast 13. Tasmania 14. Auckland 15. Townsville 16 Darwin/Surabaya (young, parochial fast growing city) tied with a football mad AFC city
This would mean
240 games plus finals rather than the current 135 plus finals Teams in every state and territory and access to a dynamic football market in Indonesia plus Asian sponsors. Tasmania ahead of Townsville? :-k From all accounts the Tasmanian proposals have been the most attractive submitted to date, with both Government and business support. I want a truly national footprint - with Football at least the number 2 football code in each market. This is not just a symbolic reason (i.e. a code that all Australia follows) but also an important marketing reason. Why advertise during AFL shows in Qld or NSW. No one watches. Similarly why advertise during NRL shows in Vic, SA, WA or Tas. I think the next two will be Canberra and South Coast. They will add value because of their proximity to a number of other clubs and the potential of easy travel. Canberra also starts towards my aim of a truly national footprint. I see Tasmania as continuing towards that aim and having the only football code with a state team won't hurt its potential. However I would bring in Auckland with them because of the larger population base. It also means there can be a game in NZ each week which will help in TV scheduling. Another NZ qualification for the World Cup also wouldn't hurt to promote more interest in NZ. [-o< I'd be inclined to include all 4 at the next TV deal. A 26 round true home and away season followed by finals, allowing for FIFA dates and FFA cup could see the season run from October through to late May. The final 2 may be a few more years after that. I'd rather see NQF return first. Team and stadium is there, engaging the community, FFA will learn lessons from the first attempt What stadium will the Tasmania team play at? Are there any sufficient rectangular stadiums? I think other areas should have priority
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Ugh, how do I resize that bad boy? :lol:
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:4wanderer4 wrote:petszk wrote:Whenever Canberra is mentioned, there are a lot of naysayers, pointing out the rubbish crowds that the Cosmos got. But Wollongong seem to be immune from this criticism for some reason. Certainly here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003%E2%80%9304_National_Soccer_League their crowds were low - lower than Glory, Adelaide Utd, South Melbourne and probably even Sydney Utd and Newcastle (can't be bothered calculating the average for the season). They also got 10,900 to a game against Adelaide City at a ground with some coalwash hills and a grandstand holding less than 2k... http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/NSL/9798/Playoff.htmlI've seen many Wollongong people write, "we had the potential - we just never reached it for various reasons". I don't think it will at all be indicative of their potential in the Aleague, and I say the same for Canberra. Both will be very good additions to the league in the next few years and instantly be cracking 10k with no trouble at all. I love how people can say shit like this about Canberra and Wollongong, but ridicule supporters of the best supported club in the NSL for saying the same... Best supported club? Northern Spirit, Adelaide United or Perth Glory there champ? :lol: Na I assume you're talking about South? Bring them on I say, Heart merging with South probably would have been a brilliant way to go. I remember Victory fans saying something very funny at the time, along the lines of; "there ARE two teams in Melbourne, one of them isn't in the top league any more and the other one isn't Heart" haha
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11.mvfc.11 wrote: I love how people can say shit like this about Canberra and Wollongong, but ridicule supporters of the best supported club in the NSL for saying the same...
Perth Glory are already in the league. Is St Goerge Stadium close to the train?      http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2011/11/15/lost-glory-st-george-soccer-stadium-sydney/eerie Edited by iridium1010: 17/11/2013 03:22:45 AMEdited by iridium1010: 17/11/2013 04:05:40 AM
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Na, its in the urban wasteland part of Sydney :( Johnnyyyyy :,(
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Wow, some parts of Chernobyl are still in better condition than that ground.
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I've never been there before but Google maps tells me that Central to the SFS is about 200m less than St George Stadium to either Rockdale or Banksia stations.
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Thats sad about St george stadium. Here we are talking about a lack of stadia and current stadiums are getting treated like that. A small team could easily fit into that.
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Iridium1010 wrote:Is St Goerge Stadium close to the train? Yeah it's 2km, not all that far. According to wiki, the Saints are going to start using it again. Edited by paladisious: 17/11/2013 05:52:42 PM
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paladisious wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:Is St Goerge Stadium close to the train? Yeah it's 2km, not all that far. According to wiki, the Saints are going to start using it again. Good location for a southern Sydney team? According to wiki Sydney FC thought about building it up How'd you get that arrow thing on google maps? Edited by iridium1010: 21/11/2013 06:39:09 PM
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Might I add, on something unrelated to St George stadium, WIN Stadium looked excellent yesterday for Sydney's NYL & W-League sides.
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A16Man wrote:Might I add, on something unrelated to St George stadium, WIN Stadium looked excellent yesterday for Sydney's NYL & W-League sides. Disappointed I couldn't sit in the upper tier. It was funny watching everyone running back under cover only to realise that there wasn't really anywhere to get out of the rain. I don't think I've seen a pitch so slippery.
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