what the hell does hakoah mean??? people link sydney fc and hakoah together but i just dont get it...

I've been wondering that too actually.

Sydney Hakoah is a Jewish football club which used to play in the NSL and used to be owned by Frank Lowy. People that try and link them with Sydney FC are doing so because Frank Lowy is a part owner of Sydney FC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_City_Soccer_Club

thanks for letting me know, the more people say stuff like sydney fc and hakoah the more it kicks my butt just thinking about what it meant.

Here you go for the young 'uns see below :

Hakoah - Sydney City Soccer Milestones







1939-1953 - In January 1939 a small group of Jewish emigres, who had been kicking a ball at Rushcutters Bay each Sunday, met to discuss the formation of a soccer team. That meeting resulted in the birth of Sydney Hakoah Football Club. It was not until 1954 that Hakoah started to make its presence felt and was admitted to the Southern League, the State's division, together with Sydney Austral of Dutch origin and Prague which comprised mainly Czech migrants. The team played in distinctive blue and white striped shirts with Magen David badge which was to become famous as the colours and emblem of Australia's greatest club.

1954/55 - Signing of former English first division professional Bill Walsh, centre half of Sunderland, and Australia's internationals Clem Higgins and Bill Murphy.

Achievements: Second in the League and Grand Final participant.

1956/57 - Admitted to the newly-created first division of the New South Wales Soccer Federation following the breakaway ny a number of clubs from the FIFA associated Soccer Association.

Made the first appointment in Australia of a full-time coah and secretary/manager, the former England international Jack Gibbons who was previously coach of Israel's international soccer team.

Achievements: Won the Kennard Cup.

Signed former Scottish international Jack Adair and ex-Hungarian first division striker Jules Forgacs plus former Crystal Palace forward Frank Hearn.

Achievements: Ampol Cup Finalist

1958/1959 - Signing of former Austria first division players Kurt Speigel, Willi Wesely and Peter Hrncir.

Achievements: Fourth in League and Winner of Federation Cup Final.

1960 - Fourth in League - a poor season despite the addition of brilliant Australian International Ray "Whoopy" Neal.

1961 - Star of the "Golden Years" following the Club's move to Wentworth Park and importation of Israeli internationals Raffi Levy and Gerry Chaldi plus six Austrian first division players, including the illustrious Karl Jaros. Over 96,000 fans watched the team's league games.

Achievements: Finalist in Ampol cup, Winner Federation Cup and Winner of League Grand Final with a 4-1 score line in front of 18,432 spectators.

1962 - Achievements: Second in League, Ampol Cup quarter-finalist and Grand Final Winner beating Budapest-St George 4-2 (including a hat-trick by the prolific Herbert Ninaus) in front of 26,770 spectators.

1963 - Signed Israel's player of the year "Danny Boy" Shmulevich and former English first division player Matt Woods from Blackburn Rovers. Signed former English great Len Quested and 20 goals scored by Ninaus in 21 matches.

Achievements: Won the Federation Cup deafeating South Coust United 2-1 in the final with the first goal scored by Bernie Gold. Local Juniors Peter Fuzes and Robert Fekete selected in New South Wales under 18 squad.

1964 - Newly signed stars included Welsh International Trevor Edwards and Leo Baumgartner, arguably the best Austrian player ever seen in Sydney Soccer.

Achievement: Federation Cup quarter-finalist.

1965 - Played visiting Israeli team Hapoel Tel Aviv, winning 7-1. The Club's coach Tiko Jelisavcic was chosen as Australian coach of the first ever Australian World cup Team. The team included such illustrious names as former England International winger Doug Holden and Alan Marnoch.

Achievement: Ampol Cup Semi-finalist, won Federation cup 3-1 against Pan Hellenic and Australia Cup 2-1 against Apia.

1966 - Winner of the League Grand Final, Ampol Cup finalist, Federation Cup semi finalist and Australia Cup finalist, all matches being played versus Apia. Winner Federation Cup championship shield. Greater emphasis on local players including international Ray Baartz. Peter Fuzes chosen for New South Wales state team.

1968 - The year of Hakoah's greatest achievements, under new coach Doug Holden, winner of:

League premiership
League grand final beating Pan Hellenic in front of 22,000 fans
Australia Cup (virtually the National Championship) beating Melbourne Hakoah over two legs 3-0 and 3-1.
Ampol Cup beating Melbourne Croatia 3-2.

1969 - Third in league and Ampol Cup finalist.

1970 - League premier and Ampol Cup Finalist

1971 - Manager Tibor Kalman who changed the style of play by importing 5 Brazilians including the brilliant Agenor Muniz and Hilton Silva and signing the great Aussie Striker John Watkiss. Former President Karl Rodny appointed Manager New South Wales Soccer team.

Achievement: Won League premiership and New South Wales state cups. Nominated best Club team in Australia, beat the Queensland State team 6-0 in Brisbane.

1972 - A disappointing season. The team started with former Celtic and Leeds International Bobbie Collins as coach and finished with a new coach in Wolverhamptons goalie David MacLaren who later became manager of the Social Club.

Fourth in League.

1973 - League premier and grand finalist Ampol Cup Winner.

1974 - League premier and grand finalist Ampol Cup Winner.

1975 - The year was marked by the untimely death at the age of 46 of Manager Tibor Kalman who had lead the team to 4 premiership wins in 5 seasons.

Fifth in League.

1976 - Players who were to form the nucleus of the club's final years included such stalwarts as Murray Barnes, Todd Clarke, Agenor Muniz, Steve O'Connor, Alex Robertson, Terry Smith, Hilton Silva and Joe Watson.

Gerry Chaldi became the team's coach.

Third in League, Winner of Ampol Cup.

1977 - Name changed to Eastern Suburbs Hakoah. Winner of first National League known as the Philips Soccer League (PSL).

Major addition to playing staff in former Aberdeen star Eddie Thomson later to become the Club's coach and coach of Australia's national team.

1978 - Name changed to Sydney City, home ground moved to ES Marks Field. Winner of PSL championship. The Club's coach Gerry Chaldi named "Coach of the Year".

1979 - Ampol Cup winner, Philips top four champion.

Eddie Thomson becomes coach and together with manager Andrew Lederer leads Club through its final years as Australia's most successful and best club team.

1980 - Winner of National Soccer League (NSL), Grand Final runner-up.

The team includes future International Jimmy Patikas, striker Ken Boden and Australia's most successful goal scorer John Kosmina.

1981 - PSL champion for the third time in a row and top four champion for the third time in four years.

1982 - Signing of Australian International striker David Mitchell.

Winner of NSL for 3rd year in a row - by a record 9 points.

1983- Runner-up in League to St George-Budapest.

1984 - League split into two parts with the Sydney City winning premiership of the "Australian Conference".

Grand Finalist losing to Sydney Olympic by 2-1 after extra time.

1985 - League again renamed as Northern & Southern Divisions. Winner of Northern Division. Signing of Frank Farina, later to make his name in Australia's national team and with European first division clubs in Belgium and Italy.

1986 - Fifth in the League and winner of Nanda Cup in the Club's last full season.

1987 - Sydney City plays its last match and withdraws from NSL on 30 March.

Also played in sky/light blue, and based in eastern Sydney.

I think the word is hebrew and means strength or something.

Edited by aussie4ever4: 4/1/2013 04:27:13 PM

i had a look at their kit as well, sky blue shirt and socks. only the shorts colour was replaced, replacing white with navy blue. more reason why people link SFC and hakoah

i have further questions, is it a good thing or a bad thing? if its a bad thing, would the SFC fans vote on a colour change?

sorry for my nonsense im spewing out on this page o:)

Edited by heyitsrobbie: 4/1/2013 04:30:20 PM

No, sky blue is colour of NSW.

yeah, NSW, not sydney

These people seem to forget that the Hakoah FC still exists, just not at a national level.
And Sky Blue has always been NSW sporting colours, so Sydney FC in light blue shirts and dark blue shorts is exactly the same as the NSW State of Origin team, the NSW Blues cricket team and about a hundred other sports where NSW teams play in blue.

Sydney being the capital of NSW, that is why Adelaide wear red and victory wear blue.

:lol: Remember their first ever pre-season game and thinking 'Fuck me, they really are Hakoah' You would've been forgiven for thinking, going by the kit they were wearing, that it was Hakoah :lol:

The dark blue shirt with a white 'V' represented all of Victoria too, not just Melbourne.
What's your point?

i was thinking that as well. just replace the navy with white and there you have it.

navy = SFC
white = Hakoah

Edited by heyitsrobbie: 4/1/2013 06:04:50 PM

First time I saw the strip I assumed they were copying the NSW Origin team.

well my point is that if the colours were meant to represent all of the state, why do people follow other teams in the state as well? sorry just asking dumb questions :oops:

Obviously a marketing attempt to capture fans from beyond the nominal geographic boundaries.

that didnt quite work did it, in sydney fcs case

Edited by heyitsrobbie: 4/1/2013 04:58:08 PM

I guess it depends who you ask.
I just don't know why a NSW based team playing in blue is such a surprise.

The Hakoah thing is a childish taunt - but one can see where it originates... Lowy took his club out of the NSL because he couldn't have things his own way, decades later set up the A-league, used the same colours and general location to set up a new club (in which he was a stake-holder, along with a few other chaps who just happened to share the same religion IIRC)...

That Sydney FC is Hakoah under a different name is just an incorrect perception - but as we SMFC fans keep being told, perceptions are often more important than reality.

yeah true. they did add orange in their kit to make themselves different at least so i'll give them that

FYPFY
It is my understanding that uncle Frank no longer has any financial stake in SFC. These same çomedians lambasted WSW as a 'Sydney United 2.0' because they signed 2 Croatian players to work under 2 coaches with "ic" finishing their surnames](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Edited by vanbasten88: 4/1/2013 05:15:26 PM

all thats needed is to replace the commonwealth star with the star of david on the sydney fc logo and voilà.... Sydney Hakoah mk2

edit: got the name of the star wrong so i corrected it :lol:

Edited by heyitsrobbie: 4/1/2013 05:27:10 PM

I was actually serious when I asked COYS if his NSL club was Hakoah, I thought it was odd that he didn't name the NSL club that he used to support.

Without wanting to stereotype - I find it curious that you link him to Hakoah, and he links himself to Spurs... Two clubs with a decided leaning toward a certain religious group.

The word hakoah is Hebrew for "The Strength".

As one of the main instigators of calling SFC "Hakoah v2.0" perhaps it's best that I explain why.

During the early NSL days Frank Lowy was the president of Hakoah/Sydney City and was widely seen as an autocrat. When the ASF (now FFA) did not share his view he ran for the ASF presidency and lost, then proceeded to throw his toys out of the proverbial pram by first petitioning to withdraw Hakoah's backing of Sydney City, effecitvely folding the club, then resigning from his presidency of the Hakoah club and withdrawing altogether from football.

Fast forward to 2003, a'la the Crawford report, and (then) Prime Minister John Howard appealing to Lowy to rejoin the fold where he was instated as interim chairman of the newly formed ASA (now FFA) board. Lowy failed to implement the recommendations of the Crawford report yet instead of carry out their threats to withdraw funding from football should the Crawford report recommendations not be implemented, the Howard government bank-rolled Lowy to the tune of $15-$16mil.

Fast forward again to the formation of the A League. Soccer NSW (now FNSW) won the bid for the Sydney franchise over a rival bid headed by Nick Politis. Long story short, Lowy ripped the guts out of the Soccer NSW bid to the point where they backed out completely, citing Lowy's autocracy as a major concern. Lowy shipped the team from their proposed base at Parramatta to Eastern Sydney and took complete ownership of the club where to this day he still retains an 8% ownership stake.

I couldn't care less if Lowy was Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist or a worshipper of the flying spaghetti monster, to put it as nicely as possible he is a grub and the poster-child for egotism and corruption. Lowy's vendetta against the NSL saw him bury the competition altogether and usurp the state's governing body for football to create the club he wanted, where he wanted and how he wanted it all in the league he dictated... hence Hakoah v2.0.

yeah i too called it hakoah v2.0. no wonder sydney fc numbers are low. its his god damn play thing. Sydney needs a whole new identity to steer them away from hakoah and lowly all together.

Edited by heyitsrobbie: 4/1/2013 05:59:40 PM

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Is there something ive overlooked? 8-[