I think the question in the thread title has been asked and answered, I don't see the value in continuing this discussion.

Locked.

Just another way to throw out anti-semitic jibes for the less than witty. It's one of those jabs that I have always found impossible to be offended by. People calling me a Jew is like me walking up to a dog and calling it an eagle.

Incorrect falsehoods would be truths. Unfortunate use of a double negative there when trying to be condescending. :-"

While your link to Gillard's much appreciated $8mil bit of PR work is noted, claiming that the hypothetical I posed was in some way a statement of fact/falsehood is a logical fallacy.

I did question your desire to jump on the semantics roundabout and now we reach our inevitable point of full 360 degree revolution. Your initial claim that "FFA didn't spend any FFA money on the World Cup bid." is incorrect. How the FFA sourced the money they spent on the WC bid is completely irrelevant and a matter that I never brought into question to begin with.

If we must persist with a deadlock situation let's at least make it fun. I'll start...
There's a hole in my bucket dear Liza dear Liza

Hakoah is just an example of Lowy's double standards. Hakoah can become FC, but SMFC can't become SXFC.

I'm not defending anybody, I'm merely correcting misinformation...I guess it is just coincidence a lot of your commentary appears to be incorrect falsehoods.





Edited by Joffa: 4/1/2013 08:02:39 PM

The people that call SFC Hakoah say that because they are no longer allowed to say Juden raus, but we all know that is what they really mean.

I am sure the WSW Ustase will soon come to demand more of my personal details, my religion and a description of the top of my penis.

Yes, and it was done with united backing from the Lab/Lib parties. After obtaining a mere single vote, do you think either party would be so quick to open the vault should the FFA go to Canberra hat in hand for another attempt, or for ASC funding for another purpose? The result of Lowy's ego was another inquiry, the resultant Smith report and (eventually) publication of data showing that Lowy's self-purported financial nouse/ era of financial stability for football was utter bullshit.

I'm failing to understand why you seem to be defending Lowy's hand-over-fist waste of money, which as an issue is completely tangential to this topic anyway.

That money was given to the FFA for the World Cup bid specifically not for any other purpose.

Let's not jump on the semantics roundabout. The federal government gave the FFA $45mil (not the $42mil I originally posted) at which point it became FFA money. FFA obtains grants from the federal government as do all other codes and while you could argue that our sport wouldn't have obtained such a sum if not for the bid it could equally be argued that the FFA would have received a reasonable amount. Wasted money is wasted, no?

FFA didn't spend any FFA money on the World Cup bid.




Edited by Joffa: 4/1/2013 06:55:59 PM

No argument about the improvement in quality of football, although one could argue that the evolution of Australian football would have occurred with or without the change in format to the league. Add in that Lowy adopted the 'build the pyramid from the top down' approach resulting in grassroots clubs either having to charge exorbitant fees or struggle to stay afloat and the ridiculous cost of "elite" junior football.

Let's not forget the $42mil of FFA money squandered on a WC bid we were told point blank that we wouldn't win. If Lowy didn't persist with the WC bid due solely to his ego I'd love to hear the actual reason.

Anyhow, we digress, HeyItsRobbie asked why the ESFC/Hakoah comparison and I responded as to how it came about. Had he asked why people persist with it my answer would be the fervent hatred that it generates from some of your lot. What was the image you linked the other day? Something to do with a fish taking the bait? ;)

hate to say it but you're right... dont i feel a little silly over that. :lol:

Just a little club out west called the Wanderers that Lowy was directly responsible for...

Is there something ive overlooked? 8-[

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yeah i too called it hakoah v2.0. no wonder sydney fc numbers are low. its his god damn play thing. Sydney needs a whole new identity to steer them away from hakoah and lowly all together.

Edited by heyitsrobbie: 4/1/2013 05:59:40 PM

The word hakoah is Hebrew for "The Strength".

As one of the main instigators of calling SFC "Hakoah v2.0" perhaps it's best that I explain why.

During the early NSL days Frank Lowy was the president of Hakoah/Sydney City and was widely seen as an autocrat. When the ASF (now FFA) did not share his view he ran for the ASF presidency and lost, then proceeded to throw his toys out of the proverbial pram by first petitioning to withdraw Hakoah's backing of Sydney City, effecitvely folding the club, then resigning from his presidency of the Hakoah club and withdrawing altogether from football.

Fast forward to 2003, a'la the Crawford report, and (then) Prime Minister John Howard appealing to Lowy to rejoin the fold where he was instated as interim chairman of the newly formed ASA (now FFA) board. Lowy failed to implement the recommendations of the Crawford report yet instead of carry out their threats to withdraw funding from football should the Crawford report recommendations not be implemented, the Howard government bank-rolled Lowy to the tune of $15-$16mil.

Fast forward again to the formation of the A League. Soccer NSW (now FNSW) won the bid for the Sydney franchise over a rival bid headed by Nick Politis. Long story short, Lowy ripped the guts out of the Soccer NSW bid to the point where they backed out completely, citing Lowy's autocracy as a major concern. Lowy shipped the team from their proposed base at Parramatta to Eastern Sydney and took complete ownership of the club where to this day he still retains an 8% ownership stake.

I couldn't care less if Lowy was Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist or a worshipper of the flying spaghetti monster, to put it as nicely as possible he is a grub and the poster-child for egotism and corruption. Lowy's vendetta against the NSL saw him bury the competition altogether and usurp the state's governing body for football to create the club he wanted, where he wanted and how he wanted it all in the league he dictated... hence Hakoah v2.0.

Without wanting to stereotype - I find it curious that you link him to Hakoah, and he links himself to Spurs... Two clubs with a decided leaning toward a certain religious group.

I was actually serious when I asked COYS if his NSL club was Hakoah, I thought it was odd that he didn't name the NSL club that he used to support.

all thats needed is to replace the commonwealth star with the star of david on the sydney fc logo and voilà.... Sydney Hakoah mk2

edit: got the name of the star wrong so i corrected it :lol:

Edited by heyitsrobbie: 4/1/2013 05:27:10 PM

FYPFY
It is my understanding that uncle Frank no longer has any financial stake in SFC. These same çomedians lambasted WSW as a 'Sydney United 2.0' because they signed 2 Croatian players to work under 2 coaches with "ic" finishing their surnames](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Edited by vanbasten88: 4/1/2013 05:15:26 PM

yeah true. they did add orange in their kit to make themselves different at least so i'll give them that

The Hakoah thing is a childish taunt - but one can see where it originates... Lowy took his club out of the NSL because he couldn't have things his own way, decades later set up the A-league, used the same colours and general location to set up a new club (in which he was a stake-holder, along with a few other chaps who just happened to share the same religion IIRC)...

That Sydney FC is Hakoah under a different name is just an incorrect perception - but as we SMFC fans keep being told, perceptions are often more important than reality.

I guess it depends who you ask.
I just don't know why a NSW based team playing in blue is such a surprise.

that didnt quite work did it, in sydney fcs case

Edited by heyitsrobbie: 4/1/2013 04:58:08 PM

Obviously a marketing attempt to capture fans from beyond the nominal geographic boundaries.

well my point is that if the colours were meant to represent all of the state, why do people follow other teams in the state as well? sorry just asking dumb questions :oops:

First time I saw the strip I assumed they were copying the NSW Origin team.

i was thinking that as well. just replace the navy with white and there you have it.

navy = SFC
white = Hakoah

Edited by heyitsrobbie: 4/1/2013 06:04:50 PM

The dark blue shirt with a white 'V' represented all of Victoria too, not just Melbourne.
What's your point?