You say you like it but not those who are apart of it? Surely you understand that the football culture of Ultras and Hooligans goes back not only Decades but Centuries, Ultras are warriors for their clubs, you need to realize that being a hard cunt, or at least looking like one comes with the territory.

If you are one of us, no explanation is necessary, if you are not no explanation can be given.

this is not the AFL.

If you have a Thug attitude, don't expect the Australian media to warm to Football too quickly.

I've seen some people on this forum over the last few months have a massive tanty about being berated in the media and in the same post complain about bans for ripping a smokey.

Surely this is a troll post?

The thing is, The Herald Sun is pitching content to the would-be audience of the A-League. You don't have to sell the game to the people that are already fans of the sport, you have to sell the game to people who disagree with this culture. And giving so much material for the HS to portray the sport in a negative light doesn't help that at all.

Football is an established sport in Europe and is consistently attended regardless of the environment in which games are played. However in Australia ultra fans are viewed as petty criminals and it hurts the potential for new audience.

If you're so desperate to run around like a criminal under the guise of football then you should move over to Europe.

Could not have said it better myself =d>

EDIT: official post of the year nomination.

Edited by Eastern Glory: 13/11/2013 12:50:28 PM

Thank you for validating my decision to nominate you as biggest kiss arse.

This is all that needs to be said.

It's pointless to explain it for the types of people on this forum.

Sounds like the Love it or Leave it motto of the white Australia policy bandied about on the back of utes, and Holden's everywhere.

Don't tell me how to support and I won't make fun of you for treating a day at the football as a family affair for sitting and politely clapping when something happens that entertains you.

I've supported football in Australia for over 15 years, all actively. Not an easy thing to do in the NSL, trust me, we're all angels in the A-League comparatively to the old days.

I'm not saying the way you actively support is wrong in general. I'm just saying, that destructive, violent and threatening behaviour has no place in growing our game.

There may come a day when Australia is fine with active support being like that, but until then... Active support groups will have to sing, chants and create atmosphere without arriving like thugs (oh the horror).

just lol. you're right, we should all just be more white middle class.

You've got to be kidding me? You think that 'destructive, violent and threatening behaviour' is essential for active support?
I cannot believe there are people who actually think like that. Unbelievable.

Rocknerd, you make it sound like it isn't possible to be an active fan without acting like a criminal.

But I like being white and middle class :(

If I could be a black upper class active supporter I would be, but I don't have that choice.

#aintnothangbutachickenwang

-PB

The reference is to the prawn sandwich crowd, the idea that everyone is happy lalalalala! The fact is I don't see this scary underbelly of evil that EG is going on about. in 9 years we've see a few hundred flares ripped with no deaths or injuries, we've seen a few hundred chairs broken and up until 1 week ago a handful of fisticuffs that didn't even end up on any major news or print media reports.

Threatening behaviour is all apart of the show and the theatrics of Support. honestly when have you ever REALLY felt threatened? I have only ever felt threatened by the police because they're bored and looking to start shit.

But then this discussion goes right back to my original statement: If you are one of us, no explanation is necessary, if you are not no explanation can be given.

But then I guess it goes to that other phrase used by Ultras and hooligans: when we are good no one remembers when we are bad no one ever forgets.

your original question "Why do 'ultras' like to associate themselves with negative behaviour? I simply don't understand. " you can't understand because your views are not open to the possibilities your upbringing, or your philosophy dictate a certain lifestyle and behaviour.

It's not a bad thing, it just is what it is. Hell I can even understand your side, there is plenty of behaviours within Ultras that I think are disgusting and foul. But then that is the changing culture within certain countries and ethnic groups.

TLD;R

Aussie scene is happy smiley people, badness very rare.

I'm sure this mould is to shit down shut up, do as your told.

Exactly.

If you don't stand in the stands you will never understand. Bashing your cock on the keyboard will never change that. You can judge all you want but no one is listening or giving a fuck. How many bitchfests have happened on 442 over the last 9 years of the A-League, or even before that in the NSL. It has changed nothing.

And it will never change. No surrender.

That's a fair response to be honest.

My concern is mostly to do with those who will do disgusting things and then claim it in the name of passion for their club... That's not passion for your club, that's not having the balls to call yourself a criminal.



That said, I'm with CroBagz, white middle class 4 lyf :cool:

I wasn't saying they do. I was asking if the thug Image was necessary?

I realise I mentioned it in my last post, but I can't recall my train of thought.

You don't get it at all, whatever because there are seats on the sideline for people like you or maybe AFL is more suitable for you. You aren't open to the fact that people who are actually involved in active support, locally or abroad, have a very different vision on what it should be like to you so just stop posting in this thread then because you are adding nothing to it.

I'm asking a question. Get over yourself.

No you're being a flog. If you can't understand that football fans want to act intimidating to both opposition fans and players to give maximise their teams chances of winning then you will never really understand the mentality of a football fan. Australia is not excluded from this no matter what fantasy you are living in.

That's the mentality of some football fans, not all. Most fans in Australia are non-active and even less want to 'intimidate other fans'.
Active support is great! It's so unique to our game, but I just think it can add to the game without the thug image. I know that it's only a minority who seek out the thug image, but I just find it frustrating. It's not the way to grow our game just yet.

You can't have the screaming,chanting and swearing without the intimidation. In other words, you're trying to have your cake and eat it to.

Yeah you can! I don't find sitting in stadiums with opposition active support intimidating at all. Is that what you're referring to? My concern I guess is more to do with physical intimidation and alike.

You can't condone physical intimidation and threats and then fire up when someone gets stabbed post game. It's like condoning the free use of guns but being upset when someone gets shot... Common sense dictates that there is a better alternative.

That said, I'm all for chanting until you shit yourself from exhaustion and then getting pissed in a pub after a win. Just don't be stupid and threaten people or be provocative towards opposition fans in a situation that could escalate or ruin the football experience for someone else.

In recent times I haven't aimed to cause shitfights, I just hate shit answers :lol:
But no worries.

So basically you've acknowledged that there's nothing wrong with his desire for answers or his line of questioning. But for some reason when this happens it continually ends in a shit-fight. Sounds more like a problem with your fellow pro-ultra arguers to me then.

Wait, so because he disagrees with one particular aspect of active support he's more suited to supporting AFL than the sport he loves? Sorry champ, but that reasoning is just absolutely fucking retarded. That attitude is exactly what's wrong with active support in Australia.

So bottom line is that this 'minimal' level of activity has resulted in bad publicity for the sport. The sport being portrayed in a negative light to the largest potential audience and expansion market within the near/forseeable future. And you don't see a problem with this? Really?

Ban alcohol, gambling and corruption in sport and I may take you seriously. Let it be. As 11mvfc11 stop attempting to derail this thread into a discussion of what your nan told you was right or wrong and stick to the topic at hand ffs. I really don't care much for your opinions.

Which premier sports entity is bigger?

NBA or the EPL?

EPL for its eurocentric influence

The NBA for how big and agreeable basketball is to Asia - Asia has a large population

I never really think of myself as a thug etc when doing away trips, I don't go out of my way to harm others or anything, just to go out and get shitfaced with mates, have a sing song and a barrel of laughs.

-PB

=d>

But sorry Paul, that isn't how football is meant to be done. Unless you yell abuse at a young family so that they never come back to the football, you aren't a true fan.