Was I doing it right on Saturday Night to the MV fan and his dad then? :lol:

Only real people I ever abuse is refs and players, sometimes the other fans but only in a generalized chanting kind of way.

-PB

That's good.

Welp, that's just too bad champ. This is a forum - where people are free to post their opinions - and just like you're going to continue to post yours I'm going to continue to post mine. If you don't like it, don't read it.

Alcohol and gambling aren't an immediate impact societal issue. What is, is the notion that you're cultivating that to be an active supporter you have to show up in a hoodie and balaclava, rip a flare and trash seats like some kind of juvenile delinquent. The very kind of behaviour which you KNOW Australian mass media deplores and which is bad PR for the game.

I love how you post this with a Liverpool dp.

really? I'd say these to things alone have a greater impact on society than Football hooliganism world wide. Both can be shown to directly impact Australian society financially by an estimated $50,000,000,000.

If you mean in regards to football or sport specifically one can still show a greater impact of both gambling and Alcohol consumption having a greater negative affect than Hooliganism will ever have.
(derailed I know)

Emphasis was on the immediate. Their negative impact has a prolonged outcome. Furthermore I don't remember the last time someone drinking too much was a major headline in the Herald Sun. And at least those things put money back into the game through sponsorship and matchday revenue. The same can't be said for the "ultra" culture. All they do is prop up boat shops.

And for every 50 people who are involved in the "ultra" culture and paying for their ticket you've got 100 casual fans going "what deplorable behaviour" who are put off attending games.

You seem to have an agenda and I really don't see what your problem is besides big media. Does that mean you believed the Sun all these years because it was in print media?

Agenda? Of course. My agenda is to further the popularity of the sport in this country for the good of the health of the game. Subsequently my issue is that you're here trying to defend the very behaviour which creates a negative stigma around the sport. People continually crossing the line from 'active support' into vandalism and violence because of a cultural acceptance that the negative connotation is 'intimidating' and 'good'.

Essentially what you're saying is that the long-term health of the game through attendance and investment is perfectly worth sacrificing through negative publicity because due to the aforementioned cultural acceptance. Because a minority of fans don't know where the line is in active support want to continue to act like they're "hardcore" when really they're just immature vandals, continually harming the public image of the game and the masses of fans who are in no way condoning such actions.

So again, I still do not understand why this negative connotation is encouraged and accepted.

I see people continually mention this however I'm yet to see any evidence to suggest this is the case. The two clubs whose fans are responsible for the most flares over the course of the A-League are probably the most stable in the league.

[citation needed]

There you go again defining what a support should be and it for someone who supports Liverpool so strongly, I wonder, how long it has been since you have stood on an Australian terrace or with an active support. Please provide proof.

Melbourne Victory, WSW and Sydney to fold due to flares, nevermind the continuing and consistant support of these teams over 7 years. Funnily enough its the clubs with the least flares who have the smallest support.

Slow clap for your agenda.

Man I dislike when people wear their hoods like that. Just makes them look like a socially awkward crim.

Anyway, I've had enough of this debate.

Bye :)

They are new.

Kudos to whoever re opened this thread :lol:

Thank the better mods.

Last I read both Sydney and WSW were running at a loss, which isn't 'financial stability'. So that leaves Victory and given that the NT is such a small portion of the fans it would be flawed to assume that correlation equals causation.

Provide proof? Oh yeah sure, I'll just go get my retinal scans from security for the day in question shall I? #-o

I don't see what Liverpool has to do with it, since Premier League clubs require you to register for your ticket, so any person found to be committing racist taunts, violence or vandalism finds themselves subject to bans in excess of six months.

Furthermore, you're still defending these acts as a necessary part of active support, which they are not. They're mutually exclusive events. And continuing to act like a criminal should see you treated like one, because it has nothing to do with football.

Operation costs are irrelevant. I'm talking about stable and sizable supporter bases. The only facts we can measure seem to fly in the face of your claim that this so called bad behaviour is keeping fans away.

Now please follow EG's lead and exit the thread as even the most mentally incompetent can tell this isn't going anywhere.

Given that Sydney's crowds fluctuate more than Clive Palmer's blood sugar level and Wanderers are consistently featured for bad crowd behaviour that again leaves Victory, where again the NT are a mere small portion of the fans. Correlation =/= causation.

I'm just gonna put this in here cos its awesome n all. No doubt will piss of TSF in the process:d


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Made me rage so hard arrrrrrr fuck.

Arrr rageeeeee

Too bad I already put this up on this thread as well as pictures of the tifo.

Please note that in this thread I do not discriminate against teams state league or A-League. I actively promote supporters to get involved in their clubs.

Thanks for your contribution :)

Page 80 at the bottom if you sift through the wannabe scousers crap about his nanny state bs.

You did too. My Apologies.

Well in.

:lol: Yeah, I'm a 'wannabe scouser', my family actually comes from Liverpool. Since you're a 'wannabe' criminal, does yours come from jail?

You from Chelsea?

What's that got to do with anything? Your argument, as far as I can see, is that you have to be from a location to have any affiliation with the team. So you will never again be seen in a Chelsea jersey, or a Huddersfield jersey, or that Man City jumper you have.

:oops: glass houses.

Who are you to tell me about how I was raised, how I should feel about a team, my personal tastes or what a club should mean to me?

Members of afro's family who've played for Liverpool: 1.
Members of 11.mvfc.11's family who've played for Victory: 0.

You're being a dick.

What excuse you going to use for me. I don't claim to follow an EPL team. What's your excuse here. You shouldn't even be on this thread and comment on things YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!

Piss off you wannabe scouse.