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Just waiting for the FFV propaganda machine to come out and say they have had a terrific response from clubs applying to join the new league. I hope they back their statements by naming the clubs. If anyone on this forum is associated with any club, what will your club do?

Edited by Atlas: 24/4/2013 07:02:30 PM

Edited by Atlas: 24/4/2013 07:03:16 PM
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paladisious wrote:
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Definitely no NPL in Victoria next season.

I bet you $500 that there will be.


2 out of the current 24 vpl and divi 1 clubs keen. As for rest if FFV dont change their model then all will be joining the bayside comp. Still want to offer that bet? il take the bet. You dont know about the goings on behind the scene then, the secret meetings between the powerhouse clubs in victoria.:lol: :lol:


Fine by me.

If 2 or less of this year's VPL clubs apply for the NPL you win, if more than two do, I win.

Deal?

Edited by paladisious: 24/4/2013 02:23:10 PM


There was 3 clubs interested 2 weeks ago, but 2 dropped interest when the hard copy of FFV imposed NPL details came out.:roll: :roll:
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cro69 wrote:
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Definitely no NPL in Victoria next season.

I bet you $500 that there will be.


2 out of the current 24 vpl and divi 1 clubs keen. As for rest if FFV dont change their model then all will be joining the bayside comp. Still want to offer that bet? il take the bet. You dont know about the goings on behind the scene then, the secret meetings between the powerhouse clubs in victoria.:lol: :lol:


Fine by me.

If 2 or less of this year's VPL clubs apply for the NPL you win, if more than two do, I win.

Deal?

Edited by paladisious: 24/4/2013 02:23:10 PM


There was 3 clubs interested 2 weeks ago, but 2 dropped interest when the hard copy of FFV imposed NPL details came out.:roll: :roll:

So are you putting your money where your mouth is, or what?
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yep!!!
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cro69 wrote:
yep!!!

Brave soul.
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paladisious wrote:
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yep!!!

Brave soul.


I'm curious, what are the positive points about this plan in your mind?

Wouldn't mind a discussion on the pros and cons.
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krisskrash wrote:
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yep!!!

Brave soul.


I'm curious, what are the positive points about this plan in your mind?

Wouldn't mind a discussion on the pros and cons.


Well for starters, I get $500. That's pretty good.
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I have found 3 clubs wanting to be a part of comp excluding victory and heart 3rds teams. 2 in VPL and 1 in divi 4 west division. Find another 7? or is it 9 for a 14 team comp. 1 club has over 500 supporters depending on opposition, 2nd club has 100 supporters or more depending on opposition, and 3rd club has 30 supporters and thats on a good day. For any of these NPL clubs in the Victorian equivalent to survive and make ends meet, their going to need 1500 supporters at a minimum to avoid bankruptcy at each home game. Il change the 2 VPL clubs to No VPL clubs interested in NPL anymore.Looking very good for Bayside federation.:-"

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Heard the Surf Coast club is applying. Good luck to them and the whole concept.
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Heard the Surf Coast club is applying. Good luck to them and the whole concept.


Surf Coast, Box Hill ,Knox City, Berwick all have a total of 600 supporters :lol: :lol:
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cro69 wrote:
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Heard the Surf Coast club is applying. Good luck to them and the whole concept.


Surf Coast, Box Hill ,Knox City, Berwick all have a total of 600 supporters :lol: :lol:


Oh stop it.

You're starting to sound like A-League wankers who harp on about crowds all the time.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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paulbagzFC wrote:
cro69 wrote:
Atlas wrote:
Heard the Surf Coast club is applying. Good luck to them and the whole concept.


Surf Coast, Box Hill ,Knox City, Berwick all have a total of 600 supporters :lol: :lol:


Oh stop it.

You're starting to sound like A-League wankers who harp on about crowds all the time.

-PB


paulbagzFC - What do you know about current climate in state football in Victoria???:-$
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cro69 wrote:
Let's have a look at some real world figures for the NPL.

Juniors.
1700 fee per child.
Mandatory to have under 12,13,14,15,16,18 boys and under 13, 15 & 18 girls.
That's 9 teams (assuming that you will give your youth team - u20's a full scholarship)

Each team will have 15 players minimum.
15 players x 1700 = 25,500 x 9 teams = 229,500. (135 kids)
This must cover registrations, apparel, coaching staff, physio, referees, technical director and ground maintenance / utilities.

Apparel per child as follows. For a better brand (not covo, pelada etc.)
Training kit x 2 = $80, Playing kit x 2 = $160, Tracksuit = $100, Sprayjacket / Jumper = $60, Club Polo = $50.
Apparel alone per child = $450 x 135 kids = $60,750.
Leaves you with $168,750 from your registrations.
Take away half of the Licence fee for your senior men, women and u20's registration leaves you with $25,000 left that your juniors must pick up.
Leaves you with $143,750

Coaching Staff
40 week paid season for the following
B Licence TD - 600 per week = $24,000

Under 18 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $600 (300, 200, 100) = $24,000 for the season x 2 for including girls team ($48,000)

Under 16 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $500 (250, 200, 50) = $20,000 for the season

Under 15 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $400 (200, 150, 50) = $16,000 for the season x 2 for including girls team ($32,000)

Under 14 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $400 (200, 150, 50) = $16,000 for the season

Under 13 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $300 (150, 100, 50) = $12,000 for the season x 2 for including girls team ($24,000)

Under 12 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $300 (150, 100, 50) = $12,000 for the season

Combined Coaching costs for 40 week season (training and games) = $176,000

Add in Physiotherapist / Sports Trainer Costs for all teams including wages / products / strapping costs =
3 Physios (One for Senior mens, womens and 20's team / not included in calculation / one for all boys teams and one for all girls teams = 40 weeks x 400 (wages / product expenses) = $16,000 x 2 Physios = $32,000

Add that cost to the coaching costs and you reach a figure of $192,000
Bring in your remaining money from Player registrations and you are already at a deficit of -$48,250

And we haven't even got to referee fees which on a rough estimate will cost about $100 per home game per team on average. 9 teams, 9 home games = $8100
Electricity for 2 grounds with decent floodlighting = $8,500 per year for running them 5 days a week for 3 hours for training x 40 weeks x .22c per KwH.
An extra $16,000 or so to tack on to your 48k deficit.

Somehow I don't think that 135 kids, playing in an elite, snob nosed competition are not going to be able to overturn a $65,000 deficit through canteen sales and sponsorship of junior teams for the year.
You will lose money.

The coaching fees I've put down are relatively low for the amount of commitment expected / level of 'expertise'

These are the real world figures for running an 'elite' competition.
Tell me how much the federation is prepared to pump into clubs to achieve this outcome? Who is the major sponsor of the league which will put in 100k to each club to keep them going?!And this is only juniors.

The AFL puts in upwards of $250k to the TAC Cup clubs to run 2!!!! elite teams. Not that the AFL is a good example to compare to, but it's a local one nonetheless.


FFV also want each club to have a Director of Football figure to oversea the whole set-up.

Quality assessment of the financials involved though.
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From another forum this is WA's NPL document;

http://www.footballwest.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/NPL/Application_-_Final.pdf

Compare this to the conditions placed on Clubs in Victoria
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Why cant ours in Victoria be that simple??? Bloody FFV all those people in contol of FFV need to be removed from there.
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Ballarat Red Devils seek licence for National Premier Leagues

BALLARAT Red Devils have set their sights on the big time.

The Haymes Red Devils confirmed yesterday they will chase a licence in the soon-to-be-formed National Premier Leagues Victoria competition, an elite second-tier platform for Australian senior soccer to be established in each state by 2014.

Ballarat president James Winton said the club had been heading towards this opportunity for the past decade.

“Both the current and previous boards have moved the club to a position where we can launch a persuasive bid to be the region’s National Premier Leagues club,” Winton said.

“There is a real excitement around what we can achieve for the sport and we are fully committed to delivering this opportunity for football in the western region.”

Ballarat has called on experienced soccer administrator Andrew Burgess to chair the licence bid.

“I’m excited to be once again involved with the club and I look forward to working with a united board and corporate group to turn this vision into a reality,” Burgess said.

“Without doubt, securing a place in the NPLV will be a major step forward for not just the club but football generally in the region.”

Football Federation Victoria has described the NPLV as the ultimate league for aspiring talented players in the state.

“The powerhouse clubs of Victorian football have all expressed interest in securing a place. In less than 12 months, football fans in the region will see our junior, youth, women’s and men’s squads playing against the best of the best that this state can turn out,” Burgess said.

“Ballarat versus South Melbourne in Ballarat, at a new stadium, with a crowd of 2000 plus for Saturday night football. Now that is worth getting excited about.”

FFV will support clubs during the application process, with an announcement of those successful expected in early September.

Expressions of interest for the NPLV licence close on May 31.



http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/1485728/soccer-ballarat-red-devils-seek-licence-for-national-premier-leagues/?cs=63


Edited by imonfourfourtwo: 8/5/2013 08:13:25 AM
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[size=7]Surf Coast seeks place on national stage[/size]Ryan Reynolds | April 26th, 2013

BIG AMBITIONS: Surf Coast president Joe Taylor watches Ry Herman, Domonic Toffolon and Luke Wigmore train. Photo: Peter Ristevski


SURF Coast will launch an audacious bid to be part of the new National Premier League competition next year.

The FFA-sanctioned competition, which will have leagues in most states, will become the second tier of soccer in Australia.

Surf Coast president Joe Taylor said the club was keen to have a team in the Victorian-based league and would lodge an application with Football Federation Victoria in July.

Taylor said it could cost more than $300,000 to enter a team in the National Premier League.

"A minimum would be around $300,000. The big challenge for the Torquay economy is developing off-season tourism," he said.

"This is perfect for that, because the competition will run from March to October. We are getting a lot of support from major tourism players, so that is a big financial advantage."

FFV will make its decision on which teams will form the competition in August or September.

It is hoped the National Premier League will be the platform for a promotion and relegation system with the A-League in the next decade.

The league is expected to feature two conferences with 10 teams each in Victoria.

Taylor said it was vital the region gained a foothold in top level soccer.

"Somewhere in five or 10 years it will be a pathway to the A-League," he said.

"You have to look ahead, well into the future, and the Surf Coast will have 40,000 people and Armstrong Creek has 55,000 people so there will be a population not far off 100,000 people.

"That is a population that can sustain an A-League team."

Taylor admitted the club still had a lot of work to do before their dream became a reality.

"It's a huge ask, putting the budget together, but we are going to see if we can put a bid together financially and organisationally," he said.

He said a name for the team had not been decided, although keeping the Surf Coast brand was possible.

"It may be Surf Coast, but there is a possibility that it may not," he said.

"We are probably the only club (in the region) that can do it. We have four pitches and fantastic facilities."

Taylor said he hoped the State League 4 side would continue as Surf Coast looked to build into the region's prominent club.

"To get a team in the league you need a men's team, a women's team as well as under-12 boys and girls teams. Then also under-13s, under-14s, under-15s, under-16s, under-18s and under-20s," he said.

He said the club was in a good position because of its strength in boys and girls teams.

"We have a very, very strong women's team as well," he said.



Edited by Arthur: 9/5/2013 08:36:06 AM
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95% of VPL and State1 clubs about to desert FFV over their version of NPL. Secret meetings already underway about creating a summer comp of powerfull victorian clubs ( FACT ). This will be in direct competition to the A League. So unless the FFV dont change their version of NPL, then there going to lose a lot of revenue next coming season. This comp is already in advance stages and will be ready for kick off as early as late October this year.Refs in place, insurances done , constitution done. Do FFV still think the powerhouse clubs are kidding?
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95% of VPL and State1 clubs about to desert FFV over their version of NPL. Secret meetings already underway about creating a summer comp of powerfull victorian clubs ( FACT ). This will be in direct competition to the A League. So unless the FFV dont change their version of NPL, then there going to lose a lot of revenue next coming season. This comp is already in advance stages and will be ready for kick off as early as late October this year.Refs in place, insurances done , constitution done. Do FFV still think the powerhouse clubs are kidding?




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95% of VPL and State1 clubs about to desert FFV over their version of NPL. Secret meetings already underway about creating a summer comp of powerfull victorian clubs ( FACT ). This will be in direct competition to the A League. So unless the FFV dont change their version of NPL, then there going to lose a lot of revenue next coming season. This comp is already in advance stages and will be ready for kick off as early as late October this year.Refs in place, insurances done , constitution done. Do FFV still think the powerhouse clubs are kidding?


NPL will be running next year, VPL teams would be foolish not to apply.
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cro69 wrote:
95% of VPL and State1 clubs about to desert FFV over their version of NPL. Secret meetings already underway about creating a summer comp of powerfull victorian clubs ( FACT ). This will be in direct competition to the A League. So unless the FFV dont change their version of NPL, then there going to lose a lot of revenue next coming season. This comp is already in advance stages and will be ready for kick off as early as late October this year.Refs in place, insurances done , constitution done. Do FFV still think the powerhouse clubs are kidding?


Unfortunately for those 95% - the highest profile and best equipped club is standing by the FFV & FFA and forging closer links with both bodies.

In the meantime, whilst the other 95% are shouting in public about the need to stand together and make a break-away, many of those clubs are still running around having private meetings with the FFV to see how best they can secure themselves a place in the NPL.
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Ballarat Red Devils seek licence for National Premier Leagues

BALLARAT Red Devils have set their sights on the big time.

The Haymes Red Devils confirmed yesterday they will chase a licence in the soon-to-be-formed National Premier Leagues Victoria competition, an elite second-tier platform for Australian senior soccer to be established in each state by 2014.

Ballarat president James Winton said the club had been heading towards this opportunity for the past decade.

“Both the current and previous boards have moved the club to a position where we can launch a persuasive bid to be the region’s National Premier Leagues club,” Winton said.

“There is a real excitement around what we can achieve for the sport and we are fully committed to delivering this opportunity for football in the western region.”

Ballarat has called on experienced soccer administrator Andrew Burgess to chair the licence bid.

“I’m excited to be once again involved with the club and I look forward to working with a united board and corporate group to turn this vision into a reality,” Burgess said.

“Without doubt, securing a place in the NPLV will be a major step forward for not just the club but football generally in the region.”

Football Federation Victoria has described the NPLV as the ultimate league for aspiring talented players in the state.

“The powerhouse clubs of Victorian football have all expressed interest in securing a place. In less than 12 months, football fans in the region will see our junior, youth, women’s and men’s squads playing against the best of the best that this state can turn out,” Burgess said.

“Ballarat versus South Melbourne in Ballarat, at a new stadium, with a crowd of 2000 plus for Saturday night football. Now that is worth getting excited about.”

FFV will support clubs during the application process, with an announcement of those successful expected in early September.
Expressions of interest for the NPLV licence close on May 31.



http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/1485728/soccer-ballarat-red-devils-seek-licence-for-national-premier-leagues/?cs=63
Edited by imonfourfourtwo: 8/5/2013 08:13:25 AM


Good on Them
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Melbourne Knights FC posted on May 26, 2013 21:08 Article Rating

The Melbourne Knights Football Club Extraordinary General Meeting was held on Sunday 26th of May, where members were asked to decide on the future direction of the club. When asked the question regarding whether the Melbourne Knights should submit an ‘Expression of Interest’ for the National Premier League Victoria, due at the end of this month, members voted overwhelmingly against the question posed.

86% of Melbourne Knights Football Club financial members voted against submitting an ‘Expression of Interest’ for Football Federation Victoria new ‘elite’ framework, citing a number of serious concerns for the future of the game in this state. In deciding to withdraw from the National Premier League process, most members believe that the proposed Premier League does not have the club’s or, in fact, football’s best interests at heart.

With a youthful Senior Men’s team which comfortably adheres to the ‘Player Points’ outlined in the NPLV documentation, a commitment to Women’s participation, junior development and coaching excellence, as well as access to a privately owned purposed built Class A facility, the Melbourne Knights already meet many of the criteria for the proposed Premier League, scheduled to begin in 2014.

Despite the club’s apparent suitability for the NPLV, members expressed a number of concerns regarding the FFV’s untested vision and framework.
Members were concerned that the club would be forced to charge excessive fees in order to meet exorbitant operational costs, thus making the game or pathway accessible to only those who could afford it. Members questioned the enormous financial strain imposed upon clubs with little to no support from any of the country’s football governing bodies.

Members had issue with the proposed level of control of National Premier League clubs, citing concerns for the lack of self determination available to clubs under the new guidelines. Particularly with regards to ownership of the club’s intellectual property.

When members were made aware of the fact that the NPLV is touted to provide a new ‘Australian National B League’, some expressed sceptiscm with regards to claims that a successful applicant club would have access to a pathway to be promoted to the highest level, many believing that the NPLV model cripples clubs to ensure that they would not be a viable candidate for A-League competition.
Finally, members were made aware of the lack of consultation which has occurred in the lead up to the development of the criteria.

The Melbourne Knights believe that the governing body’s failure to engage with many of its key stakeholders has resulted in clubs potentially submitting expressions of interest or, indeed, applications, in order to avoid being ‘left behind’, rather than in anticipation of a new and exciting direction for football in this state – many club administrators believing that they will be offered an ‘eleventh hour’ opportunity to negotiate changes to the fundamentally flawed framework.

In their 60 year history, the Melbourne Knights Football Club have unearthed and produced an enormous number of players who have gone on to compete at various levels of the sport and represent the state and country in countless representative teams. Regardless of where the Melbourne Knights are pushed to fit or fall within the framework of football in this country, the club will continue to nurture young talent and revere excellence for many years to come.

The Melbourne Knights will continue with its tried and proven methodology with regards to club excellence in all regards, servicing players of all ages and abilities, as well as our most important key stakeholders, our members and supporters.

The Melbourne Knights calls upon the Football Federation Victoria to immediately release the criteria for the so-called ‘community leagues’ so that the club, and other clubs like it, may prepare to the fullest for the 2014 season.


Edited by cro69: 26/5/2013 10:07:17 PM
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Good luck to the Melbourne Knights I admire their members stance on this issue.

Will be interesting to see how members of other clubs will react when and if it goes to EGM's for approval.

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cro69 wrote:
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Heard the Surf Coast club is applying. Good luck to them and the whole concept.


Surf Coast, Box Hill ,Knox City, Berwick all have a total of 600 supporters :lol: :lol:


Oh stop it.

You're starting to sound like A-League wankers who harp on about crowds all the time.

-PB


paulbagzFC - What do you know about current climate in state football in Victoria???:-$


I know about the current state of State based competitions and crowds are the be all and end all.

That and 600 odd supporters for such teams is good at this point in time.

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NPLV definitely sounds infinitely more difficult to be a part then NPLQ.

Thought this competition was meant to be regulated Nation wide via the FFA?

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:
NPLV definitely sounds infinitely more difficult to be a part then NPLQ.

Thought this competition was meant to be regulated Nation wide via the FFA?

-PB


PB the basic framework was established by the FFA and the state federations have scope to make additional requirements or entry conditions.

The FFV has a beauracratic view and ideology completley out of sink with its constituancy.

It is set on creating a competition based on "delivery of services" those services being a regionalised competition so new markets can sample second tier football, delivery of standardised coaching so juniors don't need to change clubs, delivery of rebranded clubs to make the second tier more presentable to community and media, more stringent club governance procedures.

You know the sort of things beauracracies put on paper that sound really fantastic but in reality are undeliverable, uncosted and rely on some one else to do all the work.
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whats souths stand on the whole NPLV?
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whats souths stand on the whole NPLV?


Bent down on their knees I believe....
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Media Release: Monday 27th May 2013

One Region..UNITED..One Greater Geelong Galaxy!

The Greater Geelong Galaxy to bid for NPL Licence.





The Greater Geelong Galaxy, on behalf of the Geelong Region Clubs, is proud to announce a UNITED bid for a Licence to play in FFA’s National Premier League commencing in 2014.

We are excited about the prospects and challenges that lie ahead to take football in the Geelong Region into another atmosphere. The NPL will be a competition that will be representative of the best male and female senior, junior and sub junior players across all regional and metropolitan corners of this state. The potential to play in a national competition down the track is also on the horizon.

The Greater Geelong Galaxy, through all its hard work with talented juniors through the last Victorian Champions League and current FFV Regional Challenge Cup, look forward to working with all key stakeholders to put together a bid that is worthy of our great region and city. So stay tuned, get on board and join us in our quest to take football in the Geelong Region into another world……



http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?c=1-8679-132747-0-0&sID=282214


I'm not particularly a big fan of the name but the colours look pretty nice as black and gold.

It's going to interesting in 4 days what teams will be picked
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