Good on Them

Unfortunately for those 95% - the highest profile and best equipped club is standing by the FFV & FFA and forging closer links with both bodies.

In the meantime, whilst the other 95% are shouting in public about the need to stand together and make a break-away, many of those clubs are still running around having private meetings with the FFV to see how best they can secure themselves a place in the NPL.

NPL will be running next year, VPL teams would be foolish not to apply.

x5

95% of VPL and State1 clubs about to desert FFV over their version of NPL. Secret meetings already underway about creating a summer comp of powerfull victorian clubs ( FACT ). This will be in direct competition to the A League. So unless the FFV dont change their version of NPL, then there going to lose a lot of revenue next coming season. This comp is already in advance stages and will be ready for kick off as early as late October this year.Refs in place, insurances done , constitution done. Do FFV still think the powerhouse clubs are kidding?

Edited by Arthur: 9/5/2013 08:36:06 AM

Ballarat Red Devils seek licence for National Premier Leagues

BALLARAT Red Devils have set their sights on the big time.

The Haymes Red Devils confirmed yesterday they will chase a licence in the soon-to-be-formed National Premier Leagues Victoria competition, an elite second-tier platform for Australian senior soccer to be established in each state by 2014.

Ballarat president James Winton said the club had been heading towards this opportunity for the past decade.

“Both the current and previous boards have moved the club to a position where we can launch a persuasive bid to be the region’s National Premier Leagues club,” Winton said.

“There is a real excitement around what we can achieve for the sport and we are fully committed to delivering this opportunity for football in the western region.”

Ballarat has called on experienced soccer administrator Andrew Burgess to chair the licence bid.

“I’m excited to be once again involved with the club and I look forward to working with a united board and corporate group to turn this vision into a reality,” Burgess said.

“Without doubt, securing a place in the NPLV will be a major step forward for not just the club but football generally in the region.”

Football Federation Victoria has described the NPLV as the ultimate league for aspiring talented players in the state.

“The powerhouse clubs of Victorian football have all expressed interest in securing a place. In less than 12 months, football fans in the region will see our junior, youth, women’s and men’s squads playing against the best of the best that this state can turn out,” Burgess said.

“Ballarat versus South Melbourne in Ballarat, at a new stadium, with a crowd of 2000 plus for Saturday night football. Now that is worth getting excited about.”

FFV will support clubs during the application process, with an announcement of those successful expected in early September.

Expressions of interest for the NPLV licence close on May 31.



http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/1485728/soccer-ballarat-red-devils-seek-licence-for-national-premier-leagues/?cs=63


Edited by imonfourfourtwo: 8/5/2013 08:13:25 AM

Why cant ours in Victoria be that simple??? Bloody FFV all those people in contol of FFV need to be removed from there.

From another forum this is WA's NPL document;

http://www.footballwest.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/NPL/Application_-_Final.pdf

Compare this to the conditions placed on Clubs in Victoria

FFV also want each club to have a Director of Football figure to oversea the whole set-up.

Quality assessment of the financials involved though.

paulbagzFC - What do you know about current climate in state football in Victoria???:-$

Oh stop it.

You're starting to sound like A-League wankers who harp on about crowds all the time.

-PB

Surf Coast, Box Hill ,Knox City, Berwick all have a total of 600 supporters :lol: :lol:

Heard the Surf Coast club is applying. Good luck to them and the whole concept.

I have found 3 clubs wanting to be a part of comp excluding victory and heart 3rds teams. 2 in VPL and 1 in divi 4 west division. Find another 7? or is it 9 for a 14 team comp. 1 club has over 500 supporters depending on opposition, 2nd club has 100 supporters or more depending on opposition, and 3rd club has 30 supporters and thats on a good day. For any of these NPL clubs in the Victorian equivalent to survive and make ends meet, their going to need 1500 supporters at a minimum to avoid bankruptcy at each home game. Il change the 2 VPL clubs to No VPL clubs interested in NPL anymore.Looking very good for Bayside federation.:-"

Edited by cro69: 28/4/2013 10:07:07 AM

Edited by cro69: 28/4/2013 06:25:00 PM

Well for starters, I get $500. That's pretty good.

I'm curious, what are the positive points about this plan in your mind?

Wouldn't mind a discussion on the pros and cons.

Brave soul.

yep!!!

So are you putting your money where your mouth is, or what?

There was 3 clubs interested 2 weeks ago, but 2 dropped interest when the hard copy of FFV imposed NPL details came out.:roll: :roll:

Just waiting for the FFV propaganda machine to come out and say they have had a terrific response from clubs applying to join the new league. I hope they back their statements by naming the clubs. If anyone on this forum is associated with any club, what will your club do?

Edited by Atlas: 24/4/2013 07:02:30 PM

Edited by Atlas: 24/4/2013 07:03:16 PM

Keen.

-PB

Fine by me.

If 2 or less of this year's VPL clubs apply for the NPL you win, if more than two do, I win.

Deal?

Edited by paladisious: 24/4/2013 02:23:10 PM

Great way to run any organisation!

so whats actually different to FFV's model compared to say NPL Queensland? I'm not a fan of the points system, it is basically forcing clubs to become junior feeders to A-League rather than being clubs in their own right. Surely if they wanted youth focus they could have just had squad restrictions like a certain amount of players trained by the club required in the squad registration?

Edited by melbourne_terrace: 23/4/2013 11:31:57 PM

Let's have a look at some real world figures for the NPL.

Juniors.
1700 fee per child.
Mandatory to have under 12,13,14,15,16,18 boys and under 13, 15 & 18 girls.
That's 9 teams (assuming that you will give your youth team - u20's a full scholarship)

Each team will have 15 players minimum.
15 players x 1700 = 25,500 x 9 teams = 229,500. (135 kids)
This must cover registrations, apparel, coaching staff, physio, referees, technical director and ground maintenance / utilities.

Apparel per child as follows. For a better brand (not covo, pelada etc.)
Training kit x 2 = $80, Playing kit x 2 = $160, Tracksuit = $100, Sprayjacket / Jumper = $60, Club Polo = $50.
Apparel alone per child = $450 x 135 kids = $60,750.
Leaves you with $168,750 from your registrations.
Take away half of the Licence fee for your senior men, women and u20's registration leaves you with $25,000 left that your juniors must pick up.
Leaves you with $143,750

Coaching Staff
40 week paid season for the following
B Licence TD - 600 per week = $24,000

Under 18 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $600 (300, 200, 100) = $24,000 for the season x 2 for including girls team ($48,000)

Under 16 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $500 (250, 200, 50) = $20,000 for the season

Under 15 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $400 (200, 150, 50) = $16,000 for the season x 2 for including girls team ($32,000)

Under 14 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $400 (200, 150, 50) = $16,000 for the season

Under 13 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $300 (150, 100, 50) = $12,000 for the season x 2 for including girls team ($24,000)

Under 12 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $300 (150, 100, 50) = $12,000 for the season

Combined Coaching costs for 40 week season (training and games) = $176,000

Add in Physiotherapist / Sports Trainer Costs for all teams including wages / products / strapping costs =
3 Physios (One for Senior mens, womens and 20's team / not included in calculation / one for all boys teams and one for all girls teams = 40 weeks x 400 (wages / product expenses) = $16,000 x 2 Physios = $32,000

Add that cost to the coaching costs and you reach a figure of $192,000
Bring in your remaining money from Player registrations and you are already at a deficit of -$48,250

And we haven't even got to referee fees which on a rough estimate will cost about $100 per home game per team on average. 9 teams, 9 home games = $8100
Electricity for 2 grounds with decent floodlighting = $8,500 per year for running them 5 days a week for 3 hours for training x 40 weeks x .22c per KwH.
An extra $16,000 or so to tack on to your 48k deficit.

Somehow I don't think that 135 kids, playing in an elite, snob nosed competition are not going to be able to overturn a $65,000 deficit through canteen sales and sponsorship of junior teams for the year.
You will lose money.

The coaching fees I've put down are relatively low for the amount of commitment expected / level of 'expertise'

These are the real world figures for running an 'elite' competition.
Tell me how much the federation is prepared to pump into clubs to achieve this outcome? Who is the major sponsor of the league which will put in 100k to each club to keep them going?!And this is only juniors.

The AFL puts in upwards of $250k to the TAC Cup clubs to run 2!!!! elite teams. Not that the AFL is a good example to compare to, but it's a local one nonetheless.

Edited by cro69: 23/4/2013 09:42:33 PM

You'd like that JoFFA wouldn't you.

2 out of the current 24 vpl and divi 1 clubs keen. As for rest if FFV dont change their model then all will be joining the bayside comp. Still want to offer that bet? il take the bet. You dont know about the goings on behind the scene then, the secret meetings between the powerhouse clubs in victoria.:lol: :lol:

No it won't, don't you get it yet, conform or your out.