Franjic MOM IMO


What do you think about the FourFourTwo article Ange era kicks off with win over Ticos?
THE NEW era of the Socceroos under Ange Postecoglou kicked off with a Tim Cahill-inspired victory against Costa Rica at Allianz Stadium in Sydney tonight.

Have your say.

Anyone notice Neil mouth off to a section of the fans around 89th? Then booed whenever he touched the ball after..

Did any one else see Luca$h react to the crowd late in the game. I heard a couple of boos towards the end :lol:

Second half = =p~

Jedi,Franjic,oar,rogic were all brilliant the only disappointing player IMO was bresciano he didn't do well at CAM

ANGE = LEGEND!

-PB

Lol beat me by 1 minutes

Milligan/Kruse MOTM.

great start. could see the change in approach straight away.. very refreshing, very exciting.

Franjic easily MOTM.

Learnt. Holger and Celtic have something in common,.

That performance really shows how brain dead Holger was. Ange has done more with the team in a week then Holger did in 2 yrs

Jlm8695 i probably agree, that milligan/kruse MOTM

Lucas had a brilliant game .... but the Lemmings on 442 can't help but to try and trash a legend of the game

#FF2ForumGrowUp ?



Edited by one_toouch: 19/11/2013 09:28:19 PM

Couldn't give a man of the match everyone stepped up; Vidosic and Leckie could've contributed more and Oar didn't live upto the hype again but hows about Rogic's composure.

Wow. I thought that he showed that he was a few metres off the pace. I am a fan. Maybe he needs to start in the midfield?

I have no problem with Lucas tonight. I though the defence handled itself really well.

Edited by Bryan: 19/11/2013 09:30:30 PM

Man of the Match

Leckie Man of the Match :P

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

Overall, a very promising start to the Ange era. Still a few things to iron out though. Kruse and Rogic were stand-outs.

Quick attacking football, something we haven't seen in a long time, great game and I thought everyone done well tonight, even Neil.

grats to Ange on his first win.

Edited by iridium1010: 19/11/2013 09:30:38 PM

thought milligan was WOG. gave the ball away far too many times. Jedi played him off the park.

Jedi/Wiliams MOTM.

Williams looked great at CB.

Franjic and Davidson probably didnt cement FB positions, but also didnt lose them.

Rogic and Oar looked terrific coming on.

Dario needed to come back more and help Davidson out, hangover from playing at the 10 rather than wing I guess.

When Kruse came off and Cahill was asked to fill in wide-right we lost HEAPS. Cahill should never play out of the centre of the field.

Good showing.

Lets hope we hear a retirement announced in a few minutes hey?

I dont think I have ever seen an aussie as good as rogic


ange eras usually start withpain but beating a team that is in all reality better than us on paper is a nice start

I thought TV jedi might be frozen out due to anges style but showed potential. Hopefully come world cup we can do a much faster and more precise version of tonight

Just like against Canada, if the opposition don't have a shot on goal, the defence is going to look pretty good. When he comes up against a striker he gets found out.

Wilkinson MOM :cool:

Jedinaks best Socceroos game in a year or so.

Rogic needs club game time. We need him to be ready to start at the WC, he's a game winner.

Bad form if you ask me. He is representing our country. No matter what you think of the indiviual it is the team that matters.

Looks like.

In any case, it's only the beginning:cool:

True story, the attack was not fast or quality IMO, it will be different story at he WC, quality and fast opposition will test anyone, but when you're slowing down with age you gonna get done.

You may have a point, if Lucas hadn't actually gone spare at the crowd. He did - even Grandstand reported it live. He asked someone "why the fuck are you booing?", which attracted boos for the rest of the game.

Lucas was great tonight. Not sure about the yelling at the crowd thing, but I feel very safe in defending his spot in the team after that performance.

Franjic was great. Bresciano was best on park in the first half IMO.

Rogic looked great and I am a fan. But is he good enough to start?

And I won't disagree with you but you can only do so much on the field against teams like Canada and Costa Rica. If he deserves his spot he better be earning it with his club in the next few months just like any other player.

Yes absolutely.

I was merely asking if anyone else noticed it. Maybe have a good read next time, hell, for your sake read it twice before you spit garbage out your mouth. For the record, what message does it send when your captain has a verbal spray at his fans?

#Letsremembertothinkbeforewewrite

Good game Neill played very well defensively and his passing out from the back was very good had to step up and did. Leckie played well rogic needs game time and will be a gun kruse played well and cahill another goal. Jedinak stood up to had his best game for the roos

alot better game by the roos.

Pretty average crowd tbh. FFa should've just let Perth have the game.

There was decent game out there and some of us are focusing on the crowds? YAY. I've lived long enough to understand that Perth just wont get games. lol

I dont stare at the crowds but the performances.

I was actually impressed . Davison boy why hasnt he had more games? Also I has bagged rogic in the past but he can play. Costs rica where the first to qualify from central America no mugs at all

But then it would have to be an earlier k.o to accommodate the east coast TV audience, and everyone would be crying about it being too hot :lol:

To be fair though the defence looked fragile at times against canada too but tonight looked pretty damn solid

solid performance all round. I wouldn't get to excited being that costa rica missing a number of players. But a good place to start from. Rogic needs to find another team, SPL is not for him.

You're right. After that match, your first post was to have a dig at Neil.

#MaybeTakeYourOwnAdvice


Edited by one_toouch: 19/11/2013 09:49:35 PM

Really agree on all points, thought those 4 did really well and I thought Bresciano was quite poor. Looked very slow and cumbersome that far up the pitch.

Rogic was class and Jedi showed why he's captaining an EPL club.

I though Leckie was impressive, great work rate. with Leckie Kruse and Oar starting we will be deadly with speed in transition


Dario had a quiet game, better suited to a central role. He and Rogic will be in contention for CAM when Bresciano is banned..

When Cahill moved to the wide right position it was a fail.. would have preferred him to drop deep centre and move Mackay up the pitch.. probably highlights our right wing has less depth then I think, Kruse Ruka .... thats about it..

Rogic needs to move to Holland or Belgium, where Im sure he would get game time. If he moves to a club like Club Brugge or Anderlecht , he will probably have a lot more scouts from bigger teams looking at him. Even if he does well at Celtic, Im not sure if teams will be that convinced about him since the competition is so weak at the moment. Belgium is a hotbed of talent at the moment.

Not a game till March farkkk

A good start for a new national team in the process of reinventing itself! Not the greatest performance but a good start. Some basic mistakes that should be addressed in time. In Ange we trust!

Just showed close footage of Lucas having a go at the crowd sounds like he said "what the fuck do you think I'm doing".

I replayed it a couple of times and couldn't really make out what he said, maybe that was it.

Yep such a shit situation - finally a positive coach with a longterm outlook and now there's bugger all time for him to achieve (well, at least until the WC). I think that shows why so many are talking about the Asian Cup rather than the World Cup.

Looking for some positives, we did win the game so great for the confidence, clearly the enthusiasm has returned BUT.............if we discount the Fox commentary glossing, we were pretty average against a very average Costa Rica, in fact probably one of the worst sides to visit our shores. I guess the bottom line is the first 11 outside Timmy and bresch is unknown. A long long way to go before we can be competitive in Brazil.

Mrmcjewpants said he said "why the fuck are you booing"

I thought he said 'why the fuck are you booing'

"Who the fuck are you booing"*

That seems more likely.

I think Lucas reacting shows that the speculation and talk has got to him.

Vidosic was invisible all game. Worst player on the park.

Jedinak was MOM. I think we as fans often get too caught up in 'who is the best passer' or 'who is the best going forward'. Jedinak won countless balls tonight and really gave us some world class steel in midfield. With a team full of pretty passing players, SOMEONE has to defend, and that someone is Mile Jedinak. Such a beast.

Yeah pretty sure that he said this.

Understandable reaction, but still he shouldn't be lashing out like that. Just try to take it on the chin and let your performance do the talking.

I thought he said 'fucking stupid boy' :lol:

:lol:

You're a complete idiot. Nowhere in his post is he saying anything bad about Neill.

Just to help you understand the difference:
Neill was caught out repeatedly for pace and positioning through out the game. Often he had to resort to shirt pulls and bodychecks in order to maintain his presence with the attackers. Luckily his average to poor performance was hidden by the very good job that Franjic was doing along with his two centre back partners and Davidson at left back.

Now do you understand?

In the first half when Lucas pulled the guy down on the edge of the box. He was beaten for pace over 1m :lol: that's why he had to bring him down. If Costa Rica were playing with a striker leading the line, Lucas would have been in trouble

Edited by roar #1: 19/11/2013 10:15:21 PM

anyone got youtube vision of Lucas giving to the crowd?

Kruse outstanding. Leckie and Bresc very good but Leckie must bury those chances - no excuse for that miss. Milligan, Williams and Franjic were solid. Davidson decent apart from the brainsnap and Ryan needs to switch on in those scenarios. Jedinak absolute gash in the 1st half, needs to get his head up and switch play faster (much improved 2nd). Neill was ok. Not sure what Ange wants to do with Vidosic... he's capable of more.

All the subs apart from Kennedy were good but should've created more. Hopefully Rogic gets more time with Celtic... what a player. Perhaps he needs the opportunity to play more with Kruse/Leckie.

Not much to say about the defence in general. Costa Rica didn't/couldn't get out of first gear and Joe Campbell had no support. Need to be realistic about their impotence tonight.

As for the team performance, what a difference having players in position and with complementary strengths makes to the dynamic of the team. The front three worked super well together and with Bresc in midfield. The Milligan/Jedinak partnership finally allowed Jedi to play like the beast he is for Palace and Milligan once again showed why he will be a worthy recipient of the captains armband. Of our substitutions the best one was Rogic on for Bresc. The poise combined with his strength and pace was just a joy to watch. How I wish he had a better time with injuries at Celtic so as to already be in their first team.

Not going to say anything, we are still in the Honeymoon period. Heck we won the first game with Holger, and back then everyone was celebrating.

Look how that ended up

That game really told us next to nothing about the central defence.

One of the toughest decisions will be around Jedinak IMO. He is good on the defensive side of things but straight away needs an easy pass to get things moving again or he just hangs onto it and gets caught out. Because of that I think with McKay in the centre it could work OK because McKay's work rate and off the ball movement will help present a straight forward decision for Jedinak.

Lucas needs a kick up the arse for going off at the crowd, but that's about it IMO.

That's not how a captain of a national team should react. Very piss poor. Your time is up grandpa.

Although we played well, it must be said we played against an average side. I think they were Juventus' youth team.

Kruse is a gun ... MV misses you, but I miss Langerak more.

Jedinak was outstanding, miles better than Milligan. Milligan just prances around like a ballet dancer and plays the occasional back pass, whereas Jedinak puts his whole body all over the pitch and is a total wrecking ball.

Anyone who thinks Milligan had a better game than Jedinak is a Very naughty person


Edit:SM: Seriously not a word we use here and you have deliberately by passed the software to write it. You have been warned.

Edited by StiflersMom: 20/11/2013 08:04:41 AM

After a very tentative start we looked a lot better.But we shouldn't kid ourselves.It wasn't the Costa Rica Ateam..The performance was poor and half the asian teams would have beaten them.Harper noted that defence sat deep a lot and left space in front.Obviously afraid to get too far up the pitch.The defence wasn't tested so we didn't learn too much at all.
However a win to start is a good foundation for confidence.

solid game. Costa Rica seemed a little slow, may have been jet lag or just us playing well. I think Neill is a little bit like John Terry. pretty slow and can get beaten but still a solid defender with excellent passing. If you look at Terry he was best with Ricardo Carvalho next to him. Carvalho had extra pace and was really consistent while Terry was a great leader and distributor. If we can find someone who can compliment Neill he can still hold his own. His recent club form and club movement has been shit though and if he keeps it up I still think he could be looked at being dropped.

NOTE: In this post I do look at John Terry in a positive light, I would like to say he was very good during Mourinho's first spell but he is now shit and is one of the biggest c**ts in the sport on and off the pitch.

Edited by moofa: 19/11/2013 10:31:42 PM

Credit to the boys CRC are a world cup finalist even though they're not the strongest side in the world we got the win and probably deserved it too.

Think We are still going to get mopped up in the WC but the squad is 2 wins in a row now if we can build some momentum and confidence we might be able to fight on a decent show in brazil.

Btw Cahill showing that class is permeant deserve to return to the world stage more then anyone else in that squad i dont care if he plays in the MLS he is still quality at least off the bench.



Edited by Davstar: 19/11/2013 10:31:53 PM

Not sure why everyone is so excited. We beat a Costa Rica team missing 5 regulars only one nil. To me proves nothing. This team needs to be tested against higher quality opposition

I give your troll a 1/10. Effort needs to improve.

Edited by StiflersMom: 20/11/2013 08:05:41 AM

Great second half, hopefully a sign of things to come. Really liked Robbie Kruse tonight!

McKay is hopeless mate he's a fucking jockey, he should be riding thoroughbreads not playing football. It's shocking when we have class players like Rogic and Kruse on the park people think a little squirrel like McKay belongs there.

What did Milligan do wrong? :-k I thought he was superb too. Culina would have been very proud of Mark today I think.

Why are you responding to rusty's terrible troll attempt? At least feed the people making an effort.

It's funny how everyone in this forum has a different opinion for MOTM.. Imagine the difficulty coaches have in selecting sides.. I have all my trust in ANGE. He is the best coach AUSTRALIA could ask for.. He is the difference between winning and losing and playing well to rubbish!! AUSTRALIA TO WIN THE WORLD CUP :)

So says the moron who thinks Cassio should be LB

Edited by StiflersMom: 20/11/2013 08:07:46 AM

Milligan had several sloppy turnovers, wadnt very strong in the tackle, barely ventured forward, and didnt cover Davidson when he got forward. Very sub-par performance.

I think fire & ice with Bresciano and Jedi as the two deeper midfielders and Rogic/Oar taking his spot in the XI would be perfect.

McGowan in for Luca$h and we're talking!

:lol: 2 years ago rusty. We have better options available now.

Edited by StiflersMom: 20/11/2013 08:08:44 AM

It's pretty clear here who has no class.

Average costa rica ? They shat all over Canada's USA and Mexico ? Perhaps we made them look ordinary?

I know Ange like a false 9 but we played 4231 today and sometimes I didn't feel our 1 up front was there. He played Leckie and Cahill up there for most of the game and a lot of the time they came back to collect the ball. Then when a winger was released there was no-one in the centre a couple of times

We have better options than Milligan, he is back up to Jedi.

Dario was terrible btw.

Edited by StiflersMom: 20/11/2013 08:10:19 AM

Missing 5 of their first 11, saying that it was personnel choices from Ange that helped to make them look ordinary.

Edited by general ashnak: 19/11/2013 10:46:27 PM

Milligan and Jedi compliment each other nicely, agree that Dario was not as effective as he is at club level. Not terrible but not at the same level as Leckie and Kruse.

No stats in the match report ?

It is a friendly and you cannot take to much out of it other then we played well.

CRC are obviously one of the weaker WC finalist teams and playing them under strength and at home obviously gave us the advantage.
We know we have problems but i think we played well and that gives us 2 wins in a row and will help us build some confidence.

Giving out guys a chance to gel and adapt to a new coach/system is the most important part of the match today.

I still think we lack a striker i'd give Maccer the call at least he can hold the ball up...

Edited by Davstar: 19/11/2013 10:52:28 PM

They (everyone) actually looked like a team, and a motivated one at that.

Well done Ange.

Rogic is the most exciting player I've seen in green and gold since Kewell. 20 mins and he was man of the match.

I was disappointed by Vidosic. He does the little things alright but that's about it. I cannot remember the last time he impressed me for the national team :\. I think Troisi is worth a shot over Vidosic out on the left (assuming Troisi continues playing well this season)

CRC did well in their qualification campaign, you cannot deny that. We put together a much more assured performance which allowed our few hiccups to be smoothed over quite effectively.

Rogic on a different level.

Very much agree, Kruse right and Troisi left with Leckie as the forward with Rogic in behind would be a very tasty combination!

Maybe because they're all "shat".

AFC>CONCACAF

Interesting that nobody said that Costa Rica were significantly WORSE than Brazil or France and let Australia play and make mistakes. The reality is that we can compete against teams outside the top 15 or 20 in the world - top 10 teams are definitely too good for us and will show us up.

I wouldn't agree with that USA and Mexico would probably smash us.

Last time we played USA they did....

Canada is shit AFC is far weaker then CONCACAF

They were also missing 5 or 6 first team players weren't they?

Possibly but I don't think we need two pure defensive mids, especially as neither has any attacking or creative flair. I would like to see a midfield of Kruse Rogic Jedinak and Oar with Leckie and Cahill up front. I reckon that would so some damage.

Have you seen Mexico's recent performances? And please don't use the New Zealand thrashing as an example.

Even if Costa Rica was under strength you certainly can play what was in front of them tonight, it wasn't about them it was about us which Ange pointed out in the pre-talk yesterday.

And i though there was some good signs going forward till next years world cup, keeping possession and playing forward especially in the first half is quite positive.

I though Jedinak played he's best game for us tonight, also both Leckie and Kruse looked very sharp tonight although i was a little bit disappointed with Vidosic on the left, Franjic and Davidson both looked solid defensively and going forward when they could.

For me i just don't understand but why is Rogic playing in Scotland? I mean this guy has some serious tekkers and when he came on he showed why we are all excited by his special ability. ](*,)

Rogic's style doesn't suit Scotland at all, he is much more suited to the continent and given he's age as well (20) we can't expect to be a regular for any european club for that matter, but in the long term a continental club would've looked after him more and nurture this rough but special diamond given the style of football they play which is ball to feet, possession based football.