His analogy is not as ridiculous as it seems, and is more relevant than citing the trouble in Melbourne like you did (i.e. the crowd trouble in this article has absolutely zero to do with attacking people with poles as they waited for their own game in Melbourne). In the original post, you will see that the event happened several kilometres from the Sydney football stadium (NOT Parramatta where the Wanderers play); before a match between CCM and SFC (NOT the Wanderers), on a day that the Wanderers weren't even playing and (if you look this up), you will realise the Wanderers were playing away in Adelaide the following day (so weren't even in the same state but were 1375 kms away!).

The Wanderers cannot be held responsible for this in any way, and whilst his example seems ludicrous, it just shows how ridiculous it would be for the FFA to punish them.

But maybe this would be a better analogy. Imagine Manchester United were in Vienna (a comparable 1425 kms away from airport to airport compared to Syd-Adelaide's 1375 kms) to play FK Austria Wien in the Champions on Sunday. Now we find out on Saturday, that a small group of people who may be United supporters are reported beating up some Liverpool supporters a few kms near Anfield before Liverpool's match with Birmingham (distance by car between Parra stadium and SFC is 37km and a travel time of 35 minutes, between Old Trafford and Anfield is 54 kms and a travel time of 42 minutes). The time and location distance is almost the same as this supposed Wanderers incident. Now would you argue that Manchester United are thus responsible for this crime? That they should have done something? That it is their fault for not stopping their fans from committing crimes a large distance from their own stadium, when they are themselves basically on the other side of Europe? Unless you can say yes to this (and I would find that hard to believe), you cannot say blame the Wanderers either FULL STOP.

I highly doubt that given you can't even spell my username correctly. :lol:

Rest assured that yes, I am better than the likes of you, Heinekken, and Crusader.

Classic reaction of a hypocrite. Somehow you are above all the "usual scum" despite taking pot shots yourself.

Of course. You're just better and smarter than the rest of us aren't you?

I'm not sure why we dub any perpetrators 'fans' - less they're dressed in the paraphernalia - but those 'so-called' fans are not us - And they aren't real fans of the club or league either - not with behaviour that brings the whole code/Australian football, let alone their own club, into disrepute!

They're not fans or whatever, they're thugs and perhaps technically criminals, committing criminal behaviour. Many even utilise the game, the excuse/cover waypoint of the code and it's active support to commit such acts. They are just crims hiding in our game and they stain, take down the whole code, with them.

Most of us have a basic understanding and even appreciation for civil society, law etc... let alone the troubles inherit with the game and the struggles it continues to face in this country, within (like this) and without (Coverage, Marginalisation etc...). But such behaviour is troubled youths taking their gang culture into the football culture perhaps. Probably nothing new, circa old days, but it's something the club, FFA and all of us in a way, have to manage or deal with, in this delicate time as Wanderers and the A-League expands it's reach ever further!

Will the Wanderers and their fantastic success be undermined by small minded criminal behaviour of a minority or not?

Edited by GloryPerth: 21/1/2014 09:21:38 PM

already awake

Please don't embarrass yourself. I started that thread as a reaction to the incessant, cheap goading of SFC fans. No one team has a claim to righteousness. Yet, whenever there is a story about WS, the usual scum scurry out of their holes to take pot shots, and whine about the reaction of the media.

Shhhh, please don't wake Swarth up.

Says the guy that started a thread on an incident at the Sydney game. ](*,)

Is the irony not lost on you here or do you think its acceptable to be a hypocrite?

yeah

Is there really any point in suggesting ridiculous hypotheticals that would obviously not result in the docking of points if it had nothing to do with a game of football, and comparing it to a situation where WSW fans chased people down a street and attacked them with poles as they were waiting to attend a game at which they subsequently let off a number of explosives and pyrotechnics?

It's a franchise comp so the FFA can do it.

If points get deducted then WSW may as well just focus on the top 6 to win the grand final, the ACL and the FFA cup when that arrives. The A League has been tarnished.

If only every fan was more like you, mate.

I'll put this very simply so everyone can understand it.

Suppose 4 or 5 friends joined a football club. Midweek they went to the casino wearing their club outfits. They got into an argument about football with a supporter of another club. So they ganged up on this person, punched and kicked him and he later died from this mugging.

To use some convoluted logic to suggest the football club should at a minimum lose premiership points because it is somehow responsible for the criminal conduct of these thugs is contemptible. The attempt to deduct premiership points from the club would be laughed out of court, if challenged by the football club in a Court of Law.

Parasites and scabs, nothing more. Severe case of cultural cringe with them; always obsessing what others think about our sport.

I've said this so many times.

whoever is responsible, fuk you so much.

hope you are identified, banned for ever, shamed in the biased media, and stoned to death.

i hate you so much right now. arrrg.

Or it may be because the person is my friend and was with me the entire day the alleged incident took place. It also may be because the facts are laid out in media articles at the time. Seriously, fuck off mate. It's clear to everyone you're a clueless idiot.

You have got to be pretty thick to believe any of that. Probably the cover story by your wannabee hool friends trying to avoid revealing they called the police in order to impress you. Unless the police are psychic how are they supposed to tell who was going to be kidnapped . If I was a WSW fan I would be pointing out there is no proof and that it was all for consenting sex between adults not for a kidnapping.

The amount of mistruths and misplaced assumptions in here is phenomenal, even by your standards.

You do realise that kidnapping incident was no mere 'allegation'. The police discovered the intending assailants sitting in the station car park with the paraphernalia. The MV fan in question had no idea about it until it was in the news and the police got in contact.

So, please, stick to discussing things you know - which, most likely, is nothing.

AMOK delinquents bash SFC fan, therefore ultras conspiracy, therefore tacit police involvement, therefore proof of Demetriou's plot to destroy football.

Conclusion? Elvis lives, 9/11 was staged, MI6 killed Diana, the moon landing was a hoax, and the Jews control all of the world's financial institutions.

Nobody cares that you read ultras tifo.

Pretty sure it was Melbourne fans throwing computer parts at SFC fans.

SFC fans threw a bottle through the window of a tram full of Melbourne scarfers.

I couldn't remember who threw a keyboard at which keyboard warrior.
Makes more sense that the MV fans threw a keyboard at SFC fans ;) :lol:

Regardless, my point still stands.
To say that WSW fans = most violent is bs because over the first 9 years of the HAL we've seen similar bs occur with other fans.
The difference is perhaps that social media is now much more prevalent compared to before? So any little thing gets reported now compared to previous seasons?

Well that explains what the Duke of Kent was that Horda members was saying it was great fun on ultras tifo.. The same Horda people seem to have been involved in that attack that were involved in the attack on the WSW pub, and were involved in starting the brawl leading to the stabbing.
Maybe they have police protection because remember that ridiculous kidnapping allegation that was launched by I assume one of their members after Horda stole Yarraside banner. The bizzare thing is this code of honour business and the instant they were in some sort of imagined trouble they called the police like they had them on speed dial.
I would not be suprised if someone from Horda was related to a police officer.

Erebus, I think you and the other lads in the RBB are top blokes (for the most part) so please don't think I'm taking a shot at you.

Firstly, I said 'if it is true'. That is assuming evidence comes to light proving the guilt of whichever twats were involved.

However I have to disagree with you. If something goes on in the hours surrounding a game and it is linked to fans of the club, they can do something about it. Refusal to renew membership would be a good start. Even if they don't have the right to enforce a ban they are well within their rights to cancel a membership and refund the $$ pro-rata. Again this is assuming that these fuckwits can be identified.

Go and take a look at how some clubs in Europe control and transport their fans at away games. Some quite interesting and successful tactics. Of course this wouldn't be required if we didn't have these tosspots in the first place




Seriously, eat a dick. I'm well within my right to deflect blame when I sit calmly in the stands every week.