FFA charge Fury $22,000 for referees. Six game tournament in doubt


FFA charge Fury $22,000 for referees. Six game tournament in doubt

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They have bothered to get three whole A-league squads to go up there.
Now are they paying the A-league squads travel and accomodation ?
That would be about the same as the referees for each squad.
If they are doing that then these A-league teams should sacrifice a portion of their cut.
If they aren;t paying the A-league teams expenses then you wonder what the hell are they doing oganising this tournament.

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Nate wrote:
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pv4 wrote:
Brisbane Ro wrote:
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Nate wrote:
pv4 wrote:
After the Socceroos WC qualifying game v Iraq I spoke to an up-and-coming HAL referee and I was a little bit under the influence but I'm sure he told me he got $600 (that's the figure I vaguely remember) to line a HAL game, but the refs got at least double that and also it depended on the experience of each ref. Just thought I'd add that bit of info when thinking about adding up costs.


Yeah, from memory it was about $1,0000 for the middle, 50% of that for the ARs and 4th.

By comparison, an NPL WA middle pockets $175 for the middle, $87.50 for the line, for a first team match.


I didn't realize it was that much for the refs. It isn't bad as a side job on the Weekend.


Probably not so great all things considered, once the ATO has taken its cut (I'm assuming the figures are pre-tax).


The guy I talked to at the Socceroos game said take-home.


Obviously only local stuff. But when I did some refereeing for a season a few years back all money was cash in hand.


Yeah, refereeing is cash-in-hand anywhere under the State Leagues. Football West actually gets you to sign a declaration for the ATO that this is done as a hobby and is therefore exempt from income tax or something along those lines.

Granville pay by direct debit :cool:
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This is Bollocks typical nanny state over zealous 'Yes Minister' shit from the FFA. Why the fuck do they need such high ranking refs to officiate the game. Surely state league refs would be suitable it is not like they are getting someone's dad to run the line with a tee-shirt. If the clubs are happy to play with Local Ref's wtf and if it doesn't breech any insurance policy for the players, does it have to do with the FFA.

At worst if this was truly needed $22,000 is ridiculous. I thought we had an airline partner so surely they aren't paying full fare for air fares. How Many officials do they need. I assume this figure includes linesmen and fourth officials as well. Why? Surely the local guys could at least run the lines and act as 4th official.

It is shit like that that kills the game. After a night like last night that brings the game together shit kills all the good will at local level. You could imagine how this will run in the papers. Head Office has fucked us again. All for this over regulation that no-one has asked for or evens really wants.

It is like my local council that on hearing we were going to have a sausage sizzle to raise money for the club sent an mail to the president that we needed the health inspector to inspect the cooking facilities. Fair enough I hear you say. But they wanted us to cough up $200 to pay for the inspection.

It seems to me just another Fun thing for the community fucked over by the self appointed fun police.

To all those cocks out there justifying your job with shit like this get a life you miserable fucks and leave us hard working people alone to organise our lives without your constant interference.

Does anyone know of the email address to these cocks in the FFA that made this call. I for one would like to personally send a note to them to tell them how pissed off I am about this.


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Brisbane Ro wrote:
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Why pay 22 grand for shit refs when we can just get local shit refs for 0 cost?


Maybe you kinda answered your own question.

Not going to help improve them by not providing them with such opportunities, better "career path" etc etc..


that is the reason that fury wanted to use local refs. to give them better experience.


For the local refs, not A-League which is where the game probably needs it most right now.

But I don't believe Fury on that one for a second anyway.


Yeah but you're from Brisbane so it doesn't matter what you believe :P

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As a pathway program the local refs should be doing some a-league preseason games so they get a taste of professional teams and we have more refs with that experience
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Why deprive local refs of an opportunity to officiate higher level teams? The Fury lose, locals fans lose, the HAL teams lose, all for nothing. This is some NSL style thinking from FFA.
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paulbagzFC wrote:
Brisbane Ro wrote:
inala brah wrote:
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Why pay 22 grand for shit refs when we can just get local shit refs for 0 cost?


Maybe you kinda answered your own question.

Not going to help improve them by not providing them with such opportunities, better "career path" etc etc..


that is the reason that fury wanted to use local refs. to give them better experience.


For the local refs, not A-League which is where the game probably needs it most right now.

But I don't believe Fury on that one for a second anyway.


Yeah but you're from Brisbane so it doesn't matter what you believe :P


:lol:

Probably not to the good, honest, hard working lil Aussie battlers of NQ, in their fight against da big, evil Eff Eff Aye.
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Nate wrote:
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pv4 wrote:
Brisbane Ro wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Nate wrote:
pv4 wrote:
After the Socceroos WC qualifying game v Iraq I spoke to an up-and-coming HAL referee and I was a little bit under the influence but I'm sure he told me he got $600 (that's the figure I vaguely remember) to line a HAL game, but the refs got at least double that and also it depended on the experience of each ref. Just thought I'd add that bit of info when thinking about adding up costs.


Yeah, from memory it was about $1,0000 for the middle, 50% of that for the ARs and 4th.

By comparison, an NPL WA middle pockets $175 for the middle, $87.50 for the line, for a first team match.


I didn't realize it was that much for the refs. It isn't bad as a side job on the Weekend.


Probably not so great all things considered, once the ATO has taken its cut (I'm assuming the figures are pre-tax).


The guy I talked to at the Socceroos game said take-home.


Obviously only local stuff. But when I did some refereeing for a season a few years back all money was cash in hand.


Yeah, refereeing is cash-in-hand anywhere under the State Leagues. Football West actually gets you to sign a declaration for the ATO that this is done as a hobby and is therefore exempt from income tax or something along those lines.


Futsal also pays well for refs but for some reason at senior level you see a lot more brawls in Futsal than you do football. Anyone who has played football is mad not to do their referees licence to get a little cash under the table. I wish I knew that back when I was a student.
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This is Bollocks typical nanny state over zealous 'Yes Minister' shit from the FFA. Why the fuck do they need such high ranking refs to officiate the game. Surely state league refs would be suitable it is not like they are getting someone's dad to run the line with a tee-shirt. If the clubs are happy to play with Local Ref's wtf and if it doesn't breech any insurance policy for the players, does it have to do with the FFA.

At worst if this was truly needed $22,000 is ridiculous. I thought we had an airline partner so surely they aren't paying full fare for air fares. How Many officials do they need. I assume this figure includes linesmen and fourth officials as well. Why? Surely the local guys could at least run the lines and act as 4th official.

It is shit like that that kills the game. After a night like last night that brings the game together shit kills all the good will at local level. You could imagine how this will run in the papers. Head Office has fucked us again. All for this over regulation that no-one has asked for or evens really wants.

It is like my local council that on hearing we were going to have a sausage sizzle to raise money for the club sent an mail to the president that we needed the health inspector to inspect the cooking facilities. Fair enough I hear you say. But they wanted us to cough up $200 to pay for the inspection.

It seems to me just another Fun thing for the community fucked over by the self appointed fun police.

To all those cocks out there justifying your job with shit like this get a life you miserable fucks and leave us hard working people alone to organise our lives without your constant interference.

[size=5]Does anyone know of the email address to these cocks in the FFA that made this call. I for one would like to personally send a note to them to tell them how pissed off I am about this.[/size]


I wouldn't bother. I'm sure the FFA has a spam filter.

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Brisbane Ro wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
Brisbane Ro wrote:
inala brah wrote:
Brisbane Ro wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
Why pay 22 grand for shit refs when we can just get local shit refs for 0 cost?


Maybe you kinda answered your own question.

Not going to help improve them by not providing them with such opportunities, better "career path" etc etc..


that is the reason that fury wanted to use local refs. to give them better experience.


For the local refs, not A-League which is where the game probably needs it most right now.

But I don't believe Fury on that one for a second anyway.


Yeah but you're from Brisbane so it doesn't matter what you believe :P


:lol:

Probably not to the good, honest, hard working lil Aussie battlers of NQ, in their fight against da big, evil Eff Eff Aye.


Exactly.

So off you go now :)

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Yeah, rego and equipment costs aren't too bad to start off.

Like ... $130 odd rego, $80-ish for your full kit, $30 for whistle and lino flags.

The big problem I found with FW was a lack of support for referees starting out. It took me a year and a half before I had anyone inspect/coach me on a match day!
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I just don't understand the FFA logic.Since when have pre season games for HAL teams required HAL referees?Last year I remember The Roar playing many pre season games against NPL and other local teams.I would be astounded if they involved HAL referees.
Also for FFA Cup games i wasn't aware of any requirement for HAL referees.
If other referees don't get the opportunity to get experience controlling higher level games how will they get a chance to improve.
It looks like another Buckley decision by FFA.
Massive Fail!

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I think pre-season games are still handled by people who are on a national panel, even if they normally are ARs at HAL/NYC level; I think the problem Townsville would have is that they wouldn't have anyone on a national panel, whereas every capital city would have at least three or four.
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paulc wrote:
We constantly criticize the FFA for not having professional refs and here is an opportunity to give the A-League officials more match exposure under different conditions and we still whinge.

Yes everybody without exception wants 2 refs to have 2 extra games of experience over a six day period ABOVE enacting the entire event itself FFS ](*,)
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Absent_doz_2259 wrote:
paulc wrote:
We constantly criticize the FFA for not having professional refs and here is an opportunity to give the A-League officials more match exposure under different conditions and we still whinge.

Yes everybody without exception wants 2 refs to have 2 extra games of experience over a six day period ABOVE enacting the entire event itself FFS ](*,)


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biscuitman1871 wrote:
Absent_doz_2259 wrote:
paulc wrote:
We constantly criticize the FFA for not having professional refs and here is an opportunity to give the A-League officials more match exposure under different conditions and we still whinge.

Yes everybody without exception wants 2 refs to have 2 extra games of experience over a six day period ABOVE enacting the entire event itself FFS ](*,)


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put into practice (an idea or suggestion).
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Absent_doz_2259 wrote:
paulc wrote:
We constantly criticize the FFA for not having professional refs and here is an opportunity to give the A-League officials more match exposure under different conditions and we still whinge.

Yes everybody without exception wants 2 refs to have 2 extra games of experience over a six day period ABOVE enacting the entire event itself FFS ]


Fury knew (or at the very least should've) known the rules.

But let's assume FFA bend the rules for them this time. Then every club is going to expect the same going forward.

And everyone will still whinge about 'how shit' A-Leagues refs are.


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Brisbane Ro wrote:
Absent_doz_2259 wrote:
paulc wrote:
We constantly criticize the FFA for not having professional refs and here is an opportunity to give the A-League officials more match exposure under different conditions and we still whinge.

Yes everybody without exception wants 2 refs to have 2 extra games of experience over a six day period ABOVE enacting the entire event itself FFS ]


Fury knew (or at the very least should've) known the rules.

But let's assume FFA bend the rules for them this time. Then every club is going to expect the same going forward.

And everyone will still whinge about 'how shit' A-Leagues refs are.



Spot on. If anyone should be blamed for this it is the Fury for not following set protocol.
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Nate wrote:
pv4 wrote:
After the Socceroos WC qualifying game v Iraq I spoke to an up-and-coming HAL referee and I was a little bit under the influence but I'm sure he told me he got $600 (that's the figure I vaguely remember) to line a HAL game, but the refs got at least double that and also it depended on the experience of each ref. Just thought I'd add that bit of info when thinking about adding up costs.


Yeah, from memory it was about $1,0000 for the middle, 50% of that for the ARs and 4th.

By comparison, an NPL WA middle pockets $175 for the middle, $87.50 for the line, for a first team match.


Wait, are you trying to say $10,000 or $1,000? I assume $1,000, but you've said $10k with the comma in the wrong spot. So I assume you accidentally stuck an extra 0 by mistake.
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Brisbane Ro wrote:
Absent_doz_2259 wrote:
paulc wrote:
We constantly criticize the FFA for not having professional refs and here is an opportunity to give the A-League officials more match exposure under different conditions and we still whinge.

Yes everybody without exception wants 2 refs to have 2 extra games of experience over a six day period ABOVE enacting the entire event itself FFS ]


Fury knew (or at the very least should've) known the rules.

But let's assume FFA bend the rules for them this time. Then every club is going to expect the same going forward.

And everyone will still whinge about 'how shit' A-Leagues refs are.


Yeah you're right. The entire thing should be canceled.

If you can't get two referees to fly up there from Sydney, no football should be played.. anywhere.

I hope Fury, Sydney and Newcastle learn their lesson and never organise another football match again as there are absolutely no solutions to this situation. And everybody else for that matter - nobody should ever put in their own time and efforts to organise such a ridiculous notion of a 'football tournament' in Australia and I think it goes without saying that the fewer football matches taking place in this country the better we will all be.

And yes rules are rules there should be zero deviation from every penalty, I for one can't wait for mandatory sentencing on every single crime. Because you know, when one person commits a crime and pleads a defence of say, necessity or compassion - We will ALL immediately start murdering and stealing and expect reduced punishment "going forward".
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Lakey64 wrote:
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pv4 wrote:
After the Socceroos WC qualifying game v Iraq I spoke to an up-and-coming HAL referee and I was a little bit under the influence but I'm sure he told me he got $600 (that's the figure I vaguely remember) to line a HAL game, but the refs got at least double that and also it depended on the experience of each ref. Just thought I'd add that bit of info when thinking about adding up costs.


Yeah, from memory it was about $1,0000 for the middle, 50% of that for the ARs and 4th.

By comparison, an NPL WA middle pockets $175 for the middle, $87.50 for the line, for a first team match.


Wait, are you trying to say $10,000 or $1,000? I assume $1,000, but you've said $10k with the comma in the wrong spot. So I assume you accidentally stuck an extra 0 by mistake.


Erk, yes, I meant $1,000.

There are plenty of people earning $10,000 for a match, but it certainly isn't the referee.
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I don't see why referees are even a requirement of a game with no points / nothing to play for let alone needing professional ones.

If two teams want a hit out why are they mandated to pony up for a referee?



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Brisbane Ro wrote:
Absent_doz_2259 wrote:
paulc wrote:
We constantly criticize the FFA for not having professional refs and here is an opportunity to give the A-League officials more match exposure under different conditions and we still whinge.

Yes everybody without exception wants 2 refs to have 2 extra games of experience over a six day period ABOVE enacting the entire event itself FFS ]


Fury knew (or at the very least should've) known the rules.

But let's assume FFA bend the rules for them this time. Then every club is going to expect the same going forward.

And everyone will still whinge about 'how shit' A-Leagues refs are.



Alternatively, they let the tourney go ahead, refs get experience where any mistakes aren't a big deal in preseason, and with that experience become better referees and the standard, in fact, improves.
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Nate wrote:
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Nate wrote:
pv4 wrote:
After the Socceroos WC qualifying game v Iraq I spoke to an up-and-coming HAL referee and I was a little bit under the influence but I'm sure he told me he got $600 (that's the figure I vaguely remember) to line a HAL game, but the refs got at least double that and also it depended on the experience of each ref. Just thought I'd add that bit of info when thinking about adding up costs.


Yeah, from memory it was about $1,0000 for the middle, 50% of that for the ARs and 4th.

By comparison, an NPL WA middle pockets $175 for the middle, $87.50 for the line, for a first team match.


Wait, are you trying to say $10,000 or $1,000? I assume $1,000, but you've said $10k with the comma in the wrong spot. So I assume you accidentally stuck an extra 0 by mistake.


Erk, yes, I meant $1,000.

There are plenty of people earning $10,000 for a match, but it certainly isn't the referee.


Unless he's got a paper bag from Hong Kong :lol:
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People are also assuming that FFA made Fury (and other clubs) aware of such mandate as it seems to be pretty clear that this is the first anyone has ever heard of it.

Might even be worth getting on the blower to a couple of the other NPL teams that played the likes of Glory etc in the past few weeks to see if such a mandate was in place for their referees.

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Absent_doz_2259 wrote:
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We constantly criticize the FFA for not having professional refs and here is an opportunity to give the A-League officials more match exposure under different conditions and we still whinge.

Yes everybody without exception wants 2 refs to have 2 extra games of experience over a six day period ABOVE enacting the entire event itself FFS ]


Fury knew (or at the very least should've) known the rules.

But let's assume FFA bend the rules for them this time. Then every club is going to expect the same going forward.

And everyone will still whinge about 'how shit' A-Leagues refs are.


Yeah you're right. The entire thing should be canceled.

If you can't get two referees to fly up there from Sydney, no football should be played.. anywhere.

I hope Fury, Sydney and Newcastle learn their lesson and never organise another football match again as there are absolutely no solutions to this situation. And everybody else for that matter - nobody should ever put in their own time and efforts to organise such a ridiculous notion of a 'football tournament' in Australia and I think it goes without saying that the fewer football matches taking place in this country the better we will all be.

And yes rules are rules there should be zero deviation from every penalty, I for one can't wait for mandatory sentencing on every single crime. Because you know, when one person commits a crime and pleads a defence of say, necessity or compassion - We will ALL immediately start murdering and stealing and expect reduced punishment "going forward".


Wow, could you have exaggerated things more?


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Typical oxford st bullshit, it's crap like this why so many hate the FFA. Why the fuck do we even need FFA refs for a friendly? NPL Refs are more than adequate.

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It's not a case of the costs of the refs being too high - simply a question of whether A-league referees are required for a pre-season friendly tournament. So long as the match officials are qualified to referee a game I don't see why a non A-League fixture needs to be run by an A-League official.
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Figure the shit out quick, so it doesn't fuck up our pre-season.



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