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When you create a hostile society, the society is bound to create a less harmonious living environment.

You tell people Muslims are terrorists, people will attack them. You attack a people, they will fight back.






P.S. I do not condone fighting back, but i can not excuse the hate caused by the government and media.
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Colin wrote:
This is going to get ugly....


http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/uniformed-australian-defence-force-member-allegedly-attacked-by-men-of-middle-eastern-appearance-in-western-sydney/story-fnj3rq0y-1227070573383

A MEMBER of the Australian defence forces has been assaulted and threatened by two men of Middle Eastern appearance in Bella Vista in north-western Sydney.
The attack follows the knife attack on two police officers in Victoria that ended with an 18-year-old Islamic extremist being shot dead in Victoria.
Numan Haider was shot dead after stabbing two police officers outside a Melbourne police
NSW Police confirmed today that they were investigating the alleged attack on a member of the Australian Defence Force in full navy uniform at 6am.

It is understood punches were thrown and threats of beheading were made.

A police spokesman confirmed the 41-year-old man allegedly suffered minor bruising in the attack and reported it later by telephone to Kings Cross police.

“The two men were described as being of Middle Eastern appearance,” the spokesman said.
Defence force families have already been put on high alert after an incident in Western Sydney in which two men of Middle Eastern appearance approached the house of a serving soldier and asked if defence force personnel lived there.
They left after the wife of the soldier told them “no”.

NSW Police have also been told to be “vigilant” following the Melbourne attack by radicalised teenager Numan Haider.
Originally published as ADF member attacked in Sydney

Edited by colin: 25/9/2014 06:33:50 PM


ffs.
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This is going to get ugly....


http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/uniformed-australian-defence-force-member-allegedly-attacked-by-men-of-middle-eastern-appearance-in-western-sydney/story-fnj3rq0y-1227070573383

A MEMBER of the Australian defence forces has been assaulted and threatened by two men of Middle Eastern appearance in Bella Vista in north-western Sydney.
The attack follows the knife attack on two police officers in Victoria that ended with an 18-year-old Islamic extremist being shot dead in Victoria.
Numan Haider was shot dead after stabbing two police officers outside a Melbourne police
NSW Police confirmed today that they were investigating the alleged attack on a member of the Australian Defence Force in full navy uniform at 6am.

It is understood punches were thrown and threats of beheading were made.

A police spokesman confirmed the 41-year-old man allegedly suffered minor bruising in the attack and reported it later by telephone to Kings Cross police.

“The two men were described as being of Middle Eastern appearance,” the spokesman said.
Defence force families have already been put on high alert after an incident in Western Sydney in which two men of Middle Eastern appearance approached the house of a serving soldier and asked if defence force personnel lived there.
They left after the wife of the soldier told them “no”.

NSW Police have also been told to be “vigilant” following the Melbourne attack by radicalised teenager Numan Haider.
Originally published as ADF member attacked in Sydney

Edited by colin: 25/9/2014 06:33:50 PM
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Afghan traders are the reason why there are camels in Australia.
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433 wrote:
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http://www.alp.org.au/openletter_islamiccommunity
Unfortunately, letters like this will get ignored.


The Islamic story in Australia has a rich history and grows stronger each year. Australia’s Muslim community continues to do our nation a great service by fostering enduring cultural and religious harmony, and making a substantial contribution to our national prosperity.

What a load of pandering tripe.


In what way?

I think you'll find that the vast majority of the Islamic community in Australia conforms to the above statement. A small number of dickheads. The anti-Muslim stance is no less misguided that thinking that all Christians in America are negro-hanging-cross-burning KKK members, or that the majority of Catholics in Ireland are keen to blow up a soldier.


Way to completely miss the point of my post. ](*,)

It wasn't about calling them all terrorists, it was about the notion that Islamic influence in Australia is overwhelmingly positive. Multiculturalism in communities erodes community trust.


How so?

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Benjamin wrote:
433 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
http://www.alp.org.au/openletter_islamiccommunity
Unfortunately, letters like this will get ignored.


The Islamic story in Australia has a rich history and grows stronger each year. Australia’s Muslim community continues to do our nation a great service by fostering enduring cultural and religious harmony, and making a substantial contribution to our national prosperity.

What a load of pandering tripe.


In what way?

I think you'll find that the vast majority of the Islamic community in Australia conforms to the above statement. A small number of dickheads. The anti-Muslim stance is no less misguided that thinking that all Christians in America are negro-hanging-cross-burning KKK members, or that the majority of Catholics in Ireland are keen to blow up a soldier.


Way to completely miss the point of my post. ](*,)

It wasn't about calling them all terrorists, it was about the notion that Islamic influence in Australia is overwhelmingly positive. Multiculturalism in communities erodes community trust.
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433 wrote:
mcjules wrote:
http://www.alp.org.au/openletter_islamiccommunity
Unfortunately, letters like this will get ignored.


The Islamic story in Australia has a rich history and grows stronger each year. Australia’s Muslim community continues to do our nation a great service by fostering enduring cultural and religious harmony, and making a substantial contribution to our national prosperity.

What a load of pandering tripe.


In what way?

I think you'll find that the vast majority of the Islamic community in Australia conforms to the above statement. A small number of dickheads. The anti-Muslim stance is no less misguided that thinking that all Christians in America are negro-hanging-cross-burning KKK members, or that the majority of Catholics in Ireland are keen to blow up a soldier.
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u4486662 wrote:
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Was a feature on Radio National news this morning about 'some' Muslim leaders disputing that the kid had attacked the cops... However, the actual quote was more along the (very balanced and sensible) line of "If the sequence of events is as reported, then we should condemn his actions outright - but we don't want to condemn the boy or the police until we know the full story".

What is the other possible story?

That the cops stabbed themselves? Multiple times? In an attempt to frame some Muslim kid, and then plant a bag on him that contains an even bigger knife and an ISIL flag?

Its always possible I guess.


If one wants to take it to extremes... They could be asking whether the stabbings took place at all, whether it was staged, whether the boy was threatened, whether he brought the knife or it was put into his hand after the attack, etc. All ridiculous suggestions in reality, because whatever our feelings about the powers that be, I doubt anyone would seriously think that the police would think it a good idea to shoot a kid in the carpark of one of their own stations.

What I liked about the statement the guy was making was that he made it quite clear that attacks like this are to be condemned, unless the official story is proved false. Knowing how secure police stations are, I find it very hard to believe that there won't be security camera footage of the car park/entrance, in which case it should be fairly easy to get an indication of what happened.
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Whilst drunk last night, I was discussing the ISIS issue, and in the end we came up with getting the Braboys to declare a 'bongwa' on ISIS, and then send them in ready to fight.

A bongwa. That is the single greatest thing I've heard heard in my life. Bongwa. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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mcjules wrote:
http://www.alp.org.au/openletter_islamiccommunity
Unfortunately, letters like this will get ignored.


The Islamic story in Australia has a rich history and grows stronger each year. Australia’s Muslim community continues to do our nation a great service by fostering enduring cultural and religious harmony, and making a substantial contribution to our national prosperity.

What a load of pandering tripe.
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Aljay wrote:
I think we all acknowledge we are talking about 1% of that community. A few days ago a couple of cops were probably thinking "teenage jihadist :)"

Then why write "Muslim Logic"?

I've yet to find this teenage Qld preacher article on news.com.au but the rest seem like pretty normal responses from a group of people that are getting defensive/protective because they feel like they are being marginalized.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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Whilst drunk last night, I was discussing the ISIS issue, and in the end we came up with getting the Braboys to declare a 'bongwa' on ISIS, and then send them in ready to fight.
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mcjules wrote:
Aljay wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Aljay wrote:
Muslim logic

In contact with terrorist organisation and comes to AFPs' attention: "What the?? What for??"

Sends email/SMS's planning to kill random members of the public and gets raided by the police: "They're harassing us"
I've heard accused criminals of all persuasions use such phrases.

Aljay wrote:
Australian government doesn't allow them to subjugate australian muslims to sharia: "They're curtailing our freedoms"
Keen to read about this one. Got a link to an article or something?

Aljay wrote:
Gets shot while stabbing a police officer BY the police officer he his stabbing: "The police murdered him"
Also keen to see who is saying this but would be surprised if all muslims were.

Edited by mcjules: 25/9/2014 12:49:21 PM


Not in a position to post links at the moment, I might be later, but

1) and 2) - virtually every interview done after the initial counter-terrorism raids in north-west Sydney and the protest at the Lakemba War Memorial

3) article on news.com.au about a teenage QLD preacher

4) Pretty easy to find responses to the shooting in Melbourne on newsites directly quoting this. Acknowledge it might be friends of his in shock.

Cheers mate, will have a look around. On the surface of it, I wouldn't take a teenage preacher as an authority for all muslims though.


I think we all acknowledge we are talking about 1% of that community. A few days ago a couple of cops were probably thinking "teenage jihadist :)"
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http://www.alp.org.au/openletter_islamiccommunity
Unfortunately, letters like this will get ignored.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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u4486662 wrote:
Benjamin wrote:
Was a feature on Radio National news this morning about 'some' Muslim leaders disputing that the kid had attacked the cops... However, the actual quote was more along the (very balanced and sensible) line of "If the sequence of events is as reported, then we should condemn his actions outright - but we don't want to condemn the boy or the police until we know the full story".

What is the other possible story?

That the cops stabbed themselves? Multiple times? In an attempt to frame some Muslim kid, and then plant a bag on him that contains an even bigger knife and an ISIL flag?

Its always possible I guess.

Yeah the only thing that might be in question is if the cops provoked him, still means he stabbed him and was always going to get himself killed for it. The quote is entirely reasonable though, if you're making official statements you don't want to jump to any conclusions.

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Benjamin wrote:
Was a feature on Radio National news this morning about 'some' Muslim leaders disputing that the kid had attacked the cops... However, the actual quote was more along the (very balanced and sensible) line of "If the sequence of events is as reported, then we should condemn his actions outright - but we don't want to condemn the boy or the police until we know the full story".

What is the other possible story?

That the cops stabbed themselves? Multiple times? In an attempt to frame some Muslim kid, and then plant a bag on him that contains an even bigger knife and an ISIL flag?

Its always possible I guess.
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Was a feature on Radio National news this morning about 'some' Muslim leaders disputing that the kid had attacked the cops... However, the actual quote was more along the (very balanced and sensible) line of "If the sequence of events is as reported, then we should condemn his actions outright - but we don't want to condemn the boy or the police until we know the full story".
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Aljay wrote:
mcjules wrote:
Aljay wrote:
Muslim logic

In contact with terrorist organisation and comes to AFPs' attention: "What the?? What for??"

Sends email/SMS's planning to kill random members of the public and gets raided by the police: "They're harassing us"
I've heard accused criminals of all persuasions use such phrases.

Aljay wrote:
Australian government doesn't allow them to subjugate australian muslims to sharia: "They're curtailing our freedoms"
Keen to read about this one. Got a link to an article or something?

Aljay wrote:
Gets shot while stabbing a police officer BY the police officer he his stabbing: "The police murdered him"
Also keen to see who is saying this but would be surprised if all muslims were.

Edited by mcjules: 25/9/2014 12:49:21 PM


Not in a position to post links at the moment, I might be later, but

1) and 2) - virtually every interview done after the initial counter-terrorism raids in north-west Sydney and the protest at the Lakemba War Memorial

3) article on news.com.au about a teenage QLD preacher

4) Pretty easy to find responses to the shooting in Melbourne on newsites directly quoting this. Acknowledge it might be friends of his in shock.

Cheers mate, will have a look around. On the surface of it, I wouldn't take a teenage preacher as an authority for all muslims though.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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Teenage preacher :lol:

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Condemned666 wrote:
Needs those guys from the cr'nulla riots to sort those muslims out


fuck yeah bro!! let's burn some effigys
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mcjules wrote:
Aljay wrote:
Muslim logic

In contact with terrorist organisation and comes to AFPs' attention: "What the?? What for??"

Sends email/SMS's planning to kill random members of the public and gets raided by the police: "They're harassing us"
I've heard accused criminals of all persuasions use such phrases.

Aljay wrote:
Australian government doesn't allow them to subjugate australian muslims to sharia: "They're curtailing our freedoms"
Keen to read about this one. Got a link to an article or something?

Aljay wrote:
Gets shot while stabbing a police officer BY the police officer he his stabbing: "The police murdered him"
Also keen to see who is saying this but would be surprised if all muslims were.

Edited by mcjules: 25/9/2014 12:49:21 PM


Not in a position to post links at the moment, I might be later, but

1) and 2) - virtually every interview done after the initial counter-terrorism raids in north-west Sydney and the protest at the Lakemba War Memorial

3) article on news.com.au about a teenage QLD preacher

4) Pretty easy to find responses to the shooting in Melbourne on newsites directly quoting this. Acknowledge it might be friends of his in shock.



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Needs those guys from the cr'nulla riots to sort those muslims out
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Aljay wrote:
Muslim logic

In contact with terrorist organisation and comes to AFPs' attention: "What the?? What for??"

Sends email/SMS's planning to kill random members of the public and gets raided by the police: "They're harassing us"
I've heard accused criminals of all persuasions use such phrases.

Aljay wrote:
Australian government doesn't allow them to subjugate australian muslims to sharia: "They're curtailing our freedoms"
Keen to read about this one. Got a link to an article or something?

Aljay wrote:
Gets shot while stabbing a police officer BY the police officer he his stabbing: "The police murdered him"
Also keen to see who is saying this but would be surprised if all muslims were.

Edited by mcjules: 25/9/2014 12:49:21 PM

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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It's been hilarious seeing the responses in the media over the last weeks. Muslim logic seems to go like this

In direct contact with a terrorist organisation and comes to AFPs' attention: "What the?? What for??"

Sends email/SMS's planning to kill random members of the public and gets raided by the police: "They're harassing us cos we're muslim"

Australian government doesn't allow them to subjugate australian muslims to sharia: "They're curtailing our freedoms"

Gets shot while stabbing a police officer BY the police officer he his stabbing: "The police murdered him"

Edited by Aljay: 25/9/2014 12:50:06 PM
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We already have 5 eyes, too.

Taking liberties, always asking for more.
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ASIO recently gained international notoriety and a trip to The Hague thanks to their role in spying on East Timor during energy negotiations. Why should we allow them further powers and to "get on with their job" again?


All countries spy on each other. Naive in the extreme to think otherwise.

Where did I say that I thought that this doesn't happen?


Are you serious? Why make you previous comment then?


Because he was questioning why we needed to "give them more" when they are already operating out of bounds already so to speak.

It would just be legalizing that which is currently illegal.

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And some people are ok with this. Personally, sure it will make ASIO much more efficient but so were intelligence organisations like the Stasi. Yes I realise we are still a fair way away from that, but where do you draw the line on these things? Being able to just monitor anyone in the population without proper checks and balances (like getting a warrant) is too far for me.


Exactly.

Don't need/want the Aussie version of Prism.

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Les Gock wrote:
You guys have no idea what you're talking about. This is what's really happening in the Middle East:



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-24/case-you-are-still-confused-what-going-middle-east

Clear now?


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sydneyfc1987 wrote:
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ASIO recently gained international notoriety and a trip to The Hague thanks to their role in spying on East Timor during energy negotiations. Why should we allow them further powers and to "get on with their job" again?


All countries spy on each other. Naive in the extreme to think otherwise.

Where did I say that I thought that this doesn't happen?


Are you serious? Why make you previous comment then?


Because he was questioning why we needed to "give them more" when they are already operating out of bounds already so to speak.

It would just be legalizing that which is currently illegal.

-PB
And some people are ok with this. Personally, sure it will make ASIO much more efficient but so were intelligence organisations like the Stasi. Yes I realise we are still a fair way away from that, but where do you draw the line on these things? Being able to just monitor anyone in the population without proper checks and balances (like getting a warrant) is too far for me.

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sydneyfc1987 wrote:
notorganic wrote:
sydneyfc1987 wrote:
notorganic wrote:
ASIO recently gained international notoriety and a trip to The Hague thanks to their role in spying on East Timor during energy negotiations. Why should we allow them further powers and to "get on with their job" again?


All countries spy on each other. Naive in the extreme to think otherwise.

Where did I say that I thought that this doesn't happen?


Are you serious? Why make you previous comment then?


Because he was questioning why we needed to "give them more" when they are already operating out of bounds already so to speak.

It would just be legalizing that which is currently illegal.

-PB

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sydneyfc1987 wrote:
notorganic wrote:
sydneyfc1987 wrote:
notorganic wrote:
ASIO recently gained international notoriety and a trip to The Hague thanks to their role in spying on East Timor during energy negotiations. Why should we allow them further powers and to "get on with their job" again?


All countries spy on each other. Naive in the extreme to think otherwise.

Where did I say that I thought that this doesn't happen?


Are you serious? Why make you previous comment then?

It was a response to the "let them just do their job" trope.

When it has been proven that a large part of their job has zero to do with national security and have been found engaging in internationally illegal practice, why should this trope be allowed to stand?
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