It's not a just a Trump thing. It's a right wing thing.
Right wingers are, on average, more racist. It's easy enough to see it on this forum, let alone the wider community

Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 10/1/2016 06:03:14 PM

No, the only one worse than Clinton is Cruz. She is trouble.

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Clinton has even shit on Australia. At one point she said Australia shouldnt rely on the USA so much. Australia makes deals with China. She calls Australia a traitor.

conspiracy theories :roll:

Clinton is by far the better option than any of the GOP loons

Clinton is centre right. Just in the USA they trick the people into thinking she is left.

Clinton looks like Karl Marx in comparison to the Republicans. The GOP is batshit crazy, the closest thing they have to a moderate in the primary is John Kasich and even he is very right-wing.

I'm no fan of Clinton either, but she'd at least be competent and would be far more progressive than any Republican. She's further right than Obama but her administration wouldn't be much different to his - which is fine with me.

Just a follow up on this now its been a month.

Average of polls from November 15th to December 8th Trump +10.7

Average of polls since the 8th of December Trump +18.1

Numbers in black were the average of polls from 10th December, coloured red or green are the latest average as of this post

They are just polls.
Actual voters are a different story.

For sake of consistency

Iowa
February 1st

Republicans
Cruz 30.8 26.2
Trump 26.8 28.7
Rubio 12.0 11.0
Carson 9.0 8.8
Bush 5.2 5.0
Huckabee 2.8 3.0
Paul 2.8 3.2
Christie 2.6 3.2
Fiorina 2.0 2.0
Kasich 1.6 2.8
Santorum 0.8 1.0

Democrats
Clinton 49.8 47.9
Sanders 37.3 41.5
O'Malley 6.3 5.5

New Hampshire
9th February

Republicans
Trump 29.4 32.0
Rubio 13.4 10.0
Cruz 11.2 11.4
Kasich 10.2 13.4
Christie 10.0 8.4
Bush 8.8 8.2
Carson 4.6 2.6
Fiorina 4.2 4.2
Paul 4.0 4.2
Santorum 0.8 0.8
Huckabee 0.4 0.8

Democrats
Sanders 48.2 51.6
Clinton 43.6 39.8
O'Malley 2.4 2.6

Nevada
20th February for Democrats, 23rd for Republicans (Polls are outdated)

Republicans
Trump 33
Cruz 20
Rubio 11
Carson 6
Fiorina 5
Christie 5
Bush 5
Paul 1
Huckabee 0
Kasich 0

Democrats
Clinton 50.0
Sanders 30.5

South Carolina
27th for Democrats, 20th for Republicans

Republicans
Trump 33.0 35.0
Cruz 22.0 20.5
Rubio 12.0 11.5
Carson 9.5 9.0
Bush 8.5 10.0
Paul 3.5 3.0
Christie 3.5 2.5
Fiorina 3.0 2.0
Katich 1.5 2.5
Huckabee 1.5 1.5
Santorum 0.5 0.5

Democrats
Clinton 66.0
Sanders 26.0
O'Malley 2.5


Edited by tbitm: 24/1/2016 08:45:22 PM

Yes, he went up in the polls.

I cannot imagine a country who had Obama as president electing goddamn Trump.

Where the polls are a bit deceiving with regards to Trump are as follows:

1) In a very big field he has a plurality of the support. He definitely has a hardcore strong base of support larger than the other candidates. However, these polls don't indicate the "dislikeability". Eg - when the field thins out, I think he will struggle to capture the support of the voters whose candidates have dropped out.

He is extremely polarising. This works well in the current situation - very early days, and also a large field. In a large field having 30% in the polls is a strong position.

The real testing ground is when the field thins to Trump, Rubio & Cruz. I think Trump will struggle to pick up further votes.

2) Polls at this stage are notoriously unreliable - especially with a large field. A much better indication is the polls asking people "who do you expect to win?" From what I have seen, Trump doesn't rate highly here.

However, having said all the above - I do think it possible for Trump to win the nomination, but unlikely.

I think it will come down to how long the field stays large. This increases the unpredictability of the situation. Perhaps 25-30% will be enough to win.

But I think if it started looking that way, the Republican establishment will ensure that candidates drop out, and support coalesces behind either Rubio or Cruz.

Trump will not win any votes from blacks or Hispanics in a presidential race. Just winning the votes of angry white people is not enough to win a general election anymore. Romney proved this.

The demographic make up of republican primary voters skews much more older and whiter than the demographics of the Presidential election voters.

The other risk the Republicans face is whether Trump runs as a 3rd party candidate if he fails to get the republican nomination. That is their biggest danger.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 14/1/2016 09:22:20 AM

well electing another clown after enduring 8 years of this current clown isn't that big of a stretch:d

The reality is that the President has much less power than people perceive. This is doubly so when the Congress is held by the other party.

Obamacare is flawed, and does not provide universal healthcare. But it is a vast improvement on what preceded it.

The only area the president has a free hand is in overseas conflict. And Obama has really just continued the policies started under Bush. Granted, he probably wouldn't have invaded Iraq, but when he came in he didn't have much choice other than to maintain the policy he was left with.

The arab spring and its fall out was not predicted by anyone. I think most politicians in his position would not have done much better containing the fall out.

I think Obama did as well as could be reasonably expected when faced with the following:

The collapse of the world economy - the GFC, occurred just before he came in

The Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the failed states they left behind, were handed to him to manage

The arab spring took everyone by surprise. And the fall out continues.

You can criticise him here and there for dithering, but there is no easy solution he could have implemented that would have solved anything.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 14/1/2016 09:30:12 AM

QFT

Trump is unelectable. It still surprises me people here take his clown show seriously.

Republicans are surely unelectable. Who in their right mind would vote for these gun toting lunatics?

I was watching a speech on the news following Obamas speech on gun control where thousands of people were cheering this bloke saying something along the lines of "it's our right to have guns and gun control is a violation of our rights". This idiot clearly doesn't watch the news.

... and people are worried about Trump?

Bypassing Congress to get carbon dioxide categorised as a pollutant to implement policy through the EPA
http://www.epa.gov/cleanpowerplan/clean-power-plan-existing-power-plants

People from your end of the ideological spectrum

:lol:

Some facts you ignorant fuckwit.

- I detest firearms/weapons
- I'm pro-choice on abortion
- I'm pro-gay marriage
- I'm pro renewable energy (providing it's viable)

Please stop trying to tell me what my ideology is because clearly you have no idea :lol:

This is a good example of the weakness of the power of the President when his party does not control congress.

Limited to changes in regulations and the limited range of presidential orders.

Not a shot at Obama - just the inherent issues of separating out the Executive and Legislative arms of govt in a polarised country.

Obama certainly has done the maximum he could within the limits of his authority.

Obama got a shit-ton of stuff done, most of which people don't even know about.

This article is really long but an excellent summary: essential reading.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/obama-biggest-achievements-213487?source=socnet_fb_fyo_20160112_bo_he-built_politico_1&utm_medium=socnet&utm_source=fb&utm_campaign=socnet_fb_fyo_20160112_bo_he-built_politico_1&utm_content=20160112_bo_he-built_politico_1

=d> Excellent article.

Michael Grunwald is a respected source on this topic. Obama should be lauded for his domestic achievements as president in addition to his obvious successes on foreign policy.

Cheers for the link - I'll have a read!

The way the Republicans bang on about Obama you'd think he'd done nothing.

This ordeal with Iran has shown how much progress has been made by his government. Imagine if Bush was in charge, the entire US army would be pointing their weapons at Iran by now :lol:

Imagine if Trump was in charge :shock:

WWIII :-#

Great article by the way - has really made me reconsider his domestic achievements.

I think long-term the legacy of the Iran deal will grow and grow also.

But, they do really need to fix their electoral boundary issues in the Congress. It really is at the root of all their problems with their political gridlock.

It's actually a good example of how much more individual power an American President has than an Australian Prime Minister

killed Bin Laden - tick
killed Qaddafi - tick
averted WWIII - tick
health care reform - tick
background checks - tick
economy turned around - tick

if Obama was white he'd be lauded as one of the greatest presidents in history

:roll: