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+xThis is the link to the Trump v Biden case - https://law.justia.com/cases/wisconsin/supreme-court/2020/2020ap002038.html. I extract the case summary from the Court website which says something else (emphasis added): Justia Opinion SummaryThe Supreme Court rejected Donald Trump's effort to invalidate more than 220,000 votes from Dane and Milwaukee Counties in the 2020 presidential election, holding that the challenge to indefinitely confined voter ballots was without merit and that laches barred relief on the remaining three categories of challenged ballots.
Petitioners brought this action seeking to invalidated a sufficient number of Wisconsin ballots to change Wisconsin's certified election results, focusing its objections on four different categories of ballots applying only to voters in Dane and Milwaukee County. Among those challenged ballots were ballots cast by voters who claimed indefinitely confined status since March 25, 2020. The Supreme Court concluded that the Petitioners were not entitled to the requested relief, holding (1) the challenge to the indefinitely confined voter ballots was meritless on its face; and (2) the other three categories of challenged ballots failed under the doctrine of laches.I would say that meritless on its face means that the Trump team had no evidence at all. It is obvious you did not read the decision. To summarise: 7 Judges. 4 decided to not allow the appeal on the basis of laches (not latches). 3 dissented and said the appeal should go ahead. All agreed that there were votes cast and counted in contravention of the law. Read the decision. Then, you can understand what it means. Once you do that, you can see what the Trump campaign was arguing. To be clear, there is the real and distinct possibility that thousands of votes were cast by people other than the voters on the poll books, and that is the claim of the Trump campaign. The evidence shows that there is no way of confirming that votes were cast by voters registered in the poll book. Now that in and of itself does not confirm fraud, but it shows that the election was certainly able to be fraudulently affected. Trumps campaign has put forward hundreds of witnesses who say it was, but they did not get to have their evidence heard in court, because the Court says Trump should have lodged the lawsuit before the election.
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+x7 Judges. 4 decided to not allow the appeal on the basis of laches (not latches). 3 dissented and said the appeal should go ahead. All agreed that there were votes cast and counted in contravention of the law. Read the decision. Then, you can understand what it means. I actually don't see that in the ruling at all.
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+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. Moron. Why does the rest of the civilized world have voter ID and the US does not?. Why does the rest of the civilized world put terms and conditions on early voting but the US does not? Why do the Democrats insist on them? Spare me the "voter suppression" bullshit. If there were voter suppression of blacks- and it IS blacks the Democrats tell us are having their votes suppressed- why do blacks and whites vote at about the same rates? Why do Asians and Hispanic vote at half the rate?
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+x+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. Moron. Why does the rest of the civilized world have voter ID and the US does not?. Why does the rest of the civilized world put terms and conditions on early voting but the US does not? Why do the Democrats insist on them? Spare me the "voter suppression" bullshit. If there were voter suppression of blacks- and it IS blacks the Democrats tell us are having their votes suppressed- why do blacks and whites vote at about the same rates? Why do Asians and Hispanic vote at half the rate? That's quite a late to reply to this Enzo. In case you need a further update Trump's own people said the election was above board. Not that it matter to you. And in case you haven't been watching the news of late Biden was inaugurated an the 20th of January 2020. All of Trump's objections fizzled because, you, know, no evidence.
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+x+x+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. Moron. Why does the rest of the civilized world have voter ID and the US does not?. Why does the rest of the civilized world put terms and conditions on early voting but the US does not? Why do the Democrats insist on them? Spare me the "voter suppression" bullshit. If there were voter suppression of blacks- and it IS blacks the Democrats tell us are having their votes suppressed- why do blacks and whites vote at about the same rates? Why do Asians and Hispanic vote at half the rate? That's quite a late to reply to this Enzo. In case you need a further update Trump's own people said the election was above board. Not that it matter to you. And in case you haven't been watching the news of late Biden was inaugurated an the 20th of January 2020. All of Trump's objections fizzled because, you, know, no evidence. The issues still remain: why do the Democrats insist on no voter ID and unrestricted early voting? The rest of the civilized democracies have these things. If they have nothing to hide, why don't the Democrats want to move alongside every other democracy?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. Moron. Why does the rest of the civilized world have voter ID and the US does not?. Why does the rest of the civilized world put terms and conditions on early voting but the US does not? Why do the Democrats insist on them? Spare me the "voter suppression" bullshit. If there were voter suppression of blacks- and it IS blacks the Democrats tell us are having their votes suppressed- why do blacks and whites vote at about the same rates? Why do Asians and Hispanic vote at half the rate? That's quite a late to reply to this Enzo. In case you need a further update Trump's own people said the election was above board. Not that it matter to you. And in case you haven't been watching the news of late Biden was inaugurated an the 20th of January 2020. All of Trump's objections fizzled because, you, know, no evidence. The issues still remain: why do the Democrats insist on no voter ID and unrestricted early voting? The rest of the civilized democracies have these things. If they have nothing to hide, why don't the Democrats want to move alongside every other democracy? Why don't you ask the Republicans that are in charge and have the same rules? Maybe they could dumb it down enough for you to understand. Or see if this helps your dumb arse. https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_statehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws_in_the_United_StatesThe vast majority of voter ID laws in the United States target only voter impersonation, of which there are only 31 documented cases in the United States from the 2000–2014 period.[63] According to PolitiFact, "in-person voter fraud—the kind targeted by the ID law—remains extremely rare".[12] According to the Associated Press, the New York Times, NPR, CNBC, the Guardian and FactCheck.Org the available research and evidence point to the type of fraud that would be prevented by voter ID laws as "very rare" or "extremely rare".[64][65][66][67][68][69][70] PolitiFact finds the suggestion that "voter fraud is rampant" false, giving it its "Pants on Fire" rating.[12] Most cases of alleged voter fraud involving dead voters have been shown to be a result of incorrect matching of voter rolls and death records, such as when someone died after they voted rather than before.[71] Writing in 2009, Harvard political scientist Stephen Ansolabehere noted that despite the common belief "that fraud occurs at least somewhat often in elections … social scientists have been unable to develop unambiguous measures of the incidence of fraud, and legal cases find very little hard evidence on the matter."[72] In a 2012 analysis, News21 of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism surveyed thousands of election officials in 50 states regarding all instances of fraud relating to elections since 2000, and concluded that in-person voter impersonation is virtually non-existent, amounting to one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.[73]
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+x+xThis is the link to the Trump v Biden case - https://law.justia.com/cases/wisconsin/supreme-court/2020/2020ap002038.html. I extract the case summary from the Court website which says something else (emphasis added): Justia Opinion SummaryThe Supreme Court rejected Donald Trump's effort to invalidate more than 220,000 votes from Dane and Milwaukee Counties in the 2020 presidential election, holding that the challenge to indefinitely confined voter ballots was without merit and that laches barred relief on the remaining three categories of challenged ballots.
Petitioners brought this action seeking to invalidated a sufficient number of Wisconsin ballots to change Wisconsin's certified election results, focusing its objections on four different categories of ballots applying only to voters in Dane and Milwaukee County. Among those challenged ballots were ballots cast by voters who claimed indefinitely confined status since March 25, 2020. The Supreme Court concluded that the Petitioners were not entitled to the requested relief, holding (1) the challenge to the indefinitely confined voter ballots was meritless on its face; and (2) the other three categories of challenged ballots failed under the doctrine of laches.I would say that meritless on its face means that the Trump team had no evidence at all. It is obvious you did not read the decision. To summarise: 7 Judges. 4 decided to not allow the appeal on the basis of laches (not latches). 3 dissented and said the appeal should go ahead. All agreed that there were votes cast and counted in contravention of the law. Read the decision. Then, you can understand what it means. Once you do that, you can see what the Trump campaign was arguing. To be clear, there is the real and distinct possibility that thousands of votes were cast by people other than the voters on the poll books, and that is the claim of the Trump campaign. The evidence shows that there is no way of confirming that votes were cast by voters registered in the poll book. Now that in and of itself does not confirm fraud, but it shows that the election was certainly able to be fraudulently affected. Trumps campaign has put forward hundreds of witnesses who say it was, but they did not get to have their evidence heard in court, because the Court says Trump should have lodged the lawsuit before the election. I'll have a read of the decision later on, but it it would be helpful if you can extract the exact paragraphs for everyone to see. It also looks like mcjules is covering your points anyway.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. This was 4 years in the making, not 4 months, culminating in misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. Moron. Why does the rest of the civilized world have voter ID and the US does not?. Why does the rest of the civilized world put terms and conditions on early voting but the US does not? Why do the Democrats insist on them? Spare me the "voter suppression" bullshit. If there were voter suppression of blacks- and it IS blacks the Democrats tell us are having their votes suppressed- why do blacks and whites vote at about the same rates? Why do Asians and Hispanic vote at half the rate? That's quite a late to reply to this Enzo. In case you need a further update Trump's own people said the election was above board. Not that it matter to you. And in case you haven't been watching the news of late Biden was inaugurated an the 20th of January 2020. All of Trump's objections fizzled because, you, know, no evidence. The issues still remain: why do the Democrats insist on no voter ID and unrestricted early voting? The rest of the civilized democracies have these things. If they have nothing to hide, why don't the Democrats want to move alongside every other democracy? Why don't you ask the Republicans that are in charge and have the same rules? Maybe they could dumb it down enough for you to understand. Or see if this helps your dumb arse. https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_statehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws_in_the_United_StatesThe vast majority of voter ID laws in the United States target only voter impersonation, of which there are only 31 documented cases in the United States from the 2000–2014 period.[63] According to PolitiFact, "in-person voter fraud—the kind targeted by the ID law—remains extremely rare".[12] According to the Associated Press, the New York Times, NPR, CNBC, the Guardian and FactCheck.Org the available research and evidence point to the type of fraud that would be prevented by voter ID laws as "very rare" or "extremely rare".[64][65][66][67][68][69][70] PolitiFact finds the suggestion that "voter fraud is rampant" false, giving it its "Pants on Fire" rating.[12] Most cases of alleged voter fraud involving dead voters have been shown to be a result of incorrect matching of voter rolls and death records, such as when someone died after they voted rather than before.[71] Writing in 2009, Harvard political scientist Stephen Ansolabehere noted that despite the common belief "that fraud occurs at least somewhat often in elections … social scientists have been unable to develop unambiguous measures of the incidence of fraud, and legal cases find very little hard evidence on the matter."[72] In a 2012 analysis, News21 of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism surveyed thousands of election officials in 50 states regarding all instances of fraud relating to elections since 2000, and concluded that in-person voter impersonation is virtually non-existent, amounting to one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.[73]
I'm asking you because its the Dumbocrats that have invented around 50 examples of what they think is "voter suppression", to stop voter phot ID not Repblicans. I don't accept opinions from leftist media such as AP, NYT, CNN, NPR, CNBC, The Guardian, and Factcheck.org because as I've seen too many examples when the numbers don't fit their preferred narrative, they introduce a "But" to cast doubt on facts they don't like. They also tell outright lies. From your first link: "These laws require voters to present some form of identification at the polls. In some cases, the required identification must include a photo." Yet 3 in 4 Americans support requiring all voters to show a government-issued photo ID to vote If its no issue, why the never-ending protesting from the Dumbocrats for photoID? They have nothing to worry about, right? Surely if not for anything else, it would mean the election would be *seen* to be free from fraud. How is that a bad thing?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAs if there was any doubt: "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information,....."They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it"... .....They got States to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding.... https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/So the election was NOT rigged.. it was "fortified" and democracy was "protected". Why would the mainstream press like Time admit to such a conspiracy? :) Because the are so farked in the head that they can't even see what is wrong with what they are admitting to happened In their retarded minds Democracy was saved when their side conspired to influence the election outcome because.....umm ... it was their side that did it. That's Leftard logic 101. I think you're letting your hatred for the Democrats affect your thinking. This is a good video on the Time article trying to cut through that noise. https://youtu.be/DkX_LAaWYM8 LOL. Their explanation amounts to the "Time article was sensationalist". And then this doozy: "Powerful people many dominated by people on the centre left interests but many on the centre right worked in order to exert their $billions in influence to try and get the election to go the way they wanted" Nothing to see. Move right along. Free and Fair. It is sensationalist. It's not news that a large portion of corporate interests wanted Trump out. But what they did wasn't illegal. They just used their influence to rally a greater turnout for the Dems. The same happens for the GOP as well. Is it? Affer the host literally says say what I've posted Anyway Great but don't whinge when it happens to your team here.. Well, we have compulsory voting, so the system is different. This was a co-ordinated, multi-faceted campaign to subvert a free and fair election by powerful and very wealthy individuals. It was literally a "cabal". You could make the same argument about Christian evangelists, Murdoch media and lobby groups like the NRA. All extremely powerful groups with a huge reach. How can you not see that? How can you? They don't spend $billions and are not capable "working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information" The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative "chipped in" $300 million USDThe collusion to corrupt a democratic election is on a scale never seen before in history. Are you suggesting that groups or companies who support Republicans haven't "chipped in" similar amounts during election campaigns to their preferred candidate? Are you suggesting that individuals or companies spent $300 million (each) to Republicans? Honestly? I don't know for certain in terms of real figures, but I wouldn't rubbish the idea that it could/ has been done.
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Salon is an American politically progressive/liberal news and opinion website So garbage What's garbage is your dismissal of any facts that don't suit your narrative. Do you see anyone here denying money was spent trying to influence the outcome of an election? Nope. Cut my legs off and call me stumpy. People spend money to try and influence things in their favour. This is news why? You seem to be angry AND TALKING IN ALL CAPS because your bloke lost and the lefty, pinko, commo, transgender SJW's are in gub'ment instead of your bloke. Still no civil war. What's garbage is your dismissal of what is hitting you right between the eyes but you refuse to see because it doesn't fit your narrative. People didn't just "spend money". They spent $billions to control the *flow* of information-what people could and could not know,-they changed laws, they mis-represented real events ie BLM riots, anything that was not favourable to their preferred outcome on a grand scale. The election was not stolen. It was paid for. That is clear. And they got there. Just. That should concern the regressives. In what American election was shedloads of money NOT used behind the scenes to influence the outcome? That's their whole freaking system! Republicans have outspent Democrats with superpacs/dark money in basically every election in modern history. If somehow they managed to do it better this one time fucking suck it up, you invented the shit dirty game. Its not about the money alone. Its the extraordinary depth and breadth of the conspiracy to control the outcome of the election that the money bought. What they did was not lobbying in the usual sense, but a complete corruption of the democratic process. +x+x+x+x+x+xAs if there was any doubt: "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information,....."They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it"... .....They got States to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding.... https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/So the election was NOT rigged.. it was "fortified" and democracy was "protected". Why would the mainstream press like Time admit to such a conspiracy? :) Because the are so farked in the head that they can't even see what is wrong with what they are admitting to happened In their retarded minds Democracy was saved when their side conspired to influence the election outcome because.....umm ... it was their side that did it. That's Leftard logic 101. So they rigged it so good that conservative judges through out the cases? They're in on it too? -PB Huh? The judges have nothing to do with this manipulation of the election outcome by a rich cabal of elites. Democracy is when the people decide who to lead them of their own free will. Free will is impossible when a cabal of rich elites "working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information" to influence the outcome of an election in a way they want. Muz and Manrubz I could understand. But even a knob like you should get that. Man, the weirdest thing to come out of the last 4 or 5 years is that a man like Trump managed to position himself as a "man of the people" when he has always been part of a rich elite. He himself has always been working behind the scenes and using money and influence for tax cuts and benefits. Playing into people's fears, anger and insecurities made poor rural people believe believe he was their champion when he was only ever his own champion. When someone actually says they deserve more they are labelled a commie and dangerous liberal elite The fact that a clown that literally shits on a gold toilet and managed to convince people he was, as you say 'a man of the people' is nothing short of extraordinary. Never has there been a dumber, more corrupt, narcissistic, self interested, tax dodging, lying, bankrupted piece of shit in the history of the US elected president. Unless of course you count bankupting multiple casinos as some sort of bizarro achievement. In which case he's done well. From that notable Trump propaganda site Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trumps-golden-toilet/ Gold pated bathroom fixtures. Po-tay-toes, po-tah-toes. The difference between having gold-plated sink features in one bathroom and saying he shits on a gold toilet is a bit more than the simple pronunciation of potatoes. Like- I'm well aware of the notable overlap with the never-Trump crowd and having a weird fondness for poop humour, but repeating easily debunked nonsense like this or standard Occupy Democrats "memes" only made it easier for opponents to deflect any criticism of the Trump administration (regardless of how valid or factual) as mere TDS hysteria.
There are only two intellectually honest debate tactics: (a) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts, or (b) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic. All other debate tactics are intellectually dishonest - John T. Reed
The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]It's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. Moron. Why does the rest of the civilized world have voter ID and the US does not?. Why does the rest of the civilized world put terms and conditions on early voting but the US does not? Why do the Democrats insist on them? Spare me the "voter suppression" bullshit. If there were voter suppression of blacks- and it IS blacks the Democrats tell us are having their votes suppressed- why do blacks and whites vote at about the same rates? Why do Asians and Hispanic vote at half the rate? That's quite a late to reply to this Enzo. In case you need a further update Trump's own people said the election was above board. Not that it matter to you. And in case you haven't been watching the news of late Biden was inaugurated an the 20th of January 2020. All of Trump's objections fizzled because, you, know, no evidence. The issues still remain: why do the Democrats insist on no voter ID and unrestricted early voting? The rest of the civilized democracies have these things. If they have nothing to hide, why don't the Democrats want to move alongside every other democracy? Why don't you ask the Republicans that are in charge and have the same rules? Maybe they could dumb it down enough for you to understand. Or see if this helps your dumb arse. https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_statehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws_in_the_United_StatesThe vast majority of voter ID laws in the United States target only voter impersonation, of which there are only 31 documented cases in the United States from the 2000–2014 period.[63] According to PolitiFact, "in-person voter fraud—the kind targeted by the ID law—remains extremely rare".[12] According to the Associated Press, the New York Times, NPR, CNBC, the Guardian and FactCheck.Org the available research and evidence point to the type of fraud that would be prevented by voter ID laws as "very rare" or "extremely rare".[64][65][66][67][68][69][70] PolitiFact finds the suggestion that "voter fraud is rampant" false, giving it its "Pants on Fire" rating.[12] Most cases of alleged voter fraud involving dead voters have been shown to be a result of incorrect matching of voter rolls and death records, such as when someone died after they voted rather than before.[71] Writing in 2009, Harvard political scientist Stephen Ansolabehere noted that despite the common belief "that fraud occurs at least somewhat often in elections … social scientists have been unable to develop unambiguous measures of the incidence of fraud, and legal cases find very little hard evidence on the matter."[72] In a 2012 analysis, News21 of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism surveyed thousands of election officials in 50 states regarding all instances of fraud relating to elections since 2000, and concluded that in-person voter impersonation is virtually non-existent, amounting to one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.[73]
LoL. Absolutely pointless talking to you.
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Ted Cruz doing a Scomo and going on vacation in Cancun while Texas is in a state of disaster. This one was the best take I reckon: https://twitter.com/julieroginsky/status/1362783438315610117
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New York Democrat Mayor admits lying about aged-care death numbers: Since the report came out over two weeks ago, the state has added thousands more deaths to its official tally, more accurately reflecting the true death toll of nursing home residents.Mr Cuomo, a Democrat, has repeatedly defended his handling of nursing homes, often arguing that other states were doing far worse, but his administration has been engulfed by the scandal in recent days.Last week, in a private conversation leaked to the New York Post, a top aide to Mr Cuomo confessed to covering up the real numbers and withholding the information out of concern the data "was going to be used against us". https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56091682
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An Albany-based watchdog group says that New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's nursing home directive was likely responsible for more than 1,000 additional resident deaths during the coronavirus pandemic, despite numerous denials by the administration that their order was heavily to blame. Cuomo's office has been silent on the contents of the report released by the nonprofit Empire Center for Public Policy on Thursday and reviewed by Fox News, which relies on the information provided to them by the New York State Department of Health (DOH). The governor is facing intense backlash over the scandal, including a federal probe into his administration's handling of the crisis. The focus on Cuomo comes as liberal CNN and the governor's brother, host Chris Cuomo, have given the Democrat's controversies little to no airtime. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-silent-watchdog-report-policy-over-1000-nursing-home-deaths
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Anti-Trump group the Lincoln Project has hemorrhaged support in recent weeks after more than 20 men accused its co-founder John Weaver of sexual harassment in January. While some on the left have praised its leaders for a principled stand against their former party, liberals and conservatives alike have criticized the group over its tactics and motives. Some, like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., have labeled it a scam PAC due to its funneling of liberal donor money to vendors controlled by the group's founders and an overall lack of return on investment.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]It's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. Moron. Why does the rest of the civilized world have voter ID and the US does not?. Why does the rest of the civilized world put terms and conditions on early voting but the US does not? Why do the Democrats insist on them? Spare me the "voter suppression" bullshit. If there were voter suppression of blacks- and it IS blacks the Democrats tell us are having their votes suppressed- why do blacks and whites vote at about the same rates? Why do Asians and Hispanic vote at half the rate? That's quite a late to reply to this Enzo. In case you need a further update Trump's own people said the election was above board. Not that it matter to you. And in case you haven't been watching the news of late Biden was inaugurated an the 20th of January 2020. All of Trump's objections fizzled because, you, know, no evidence. The issues still remain: why do the Democrats insist on no voter ID and unrestricted early voting? The rest of the civilized democracies have these things. If they have nothing to hide, why don't the Democrats want to move alongside every other democracy? Why don't you ask the Republicans that are in charge and have the same rules? Maybe they could dumb it down enough for you to understand. Or see if this helps your dumb arse. https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_statehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws_in_the_United_StatesThe vast majority of voter ID laws in the United States target only voter impersonation, of which there are only 31 documented cases in the United States from the 2000–2014 period.[63] According to PolitiFact, "in-person voter fraud—the kind targeted by the ID law—remains extremely rare".[12] According to the Associated Press, the New York Times, NPR, CNBC, the Guardian and FactCheck.Org the available research and evidence point to the type of fraud that would be prevented by voter ID laws as "very rare" or "extremely rare".[64][65][66][67][68][69][70] PolitiFact finds the suggestion that "voter fraud is rampant" false, giving it its "Pants on Fire" rating.[12] Most cases of alleged voter fraud involving dead voters have been shown to be a result of incorrect matching of voter rolls and death records, such as when someone died after they voted rather than before.[71] Writing in 2009, Harvard political scientist Stephen Ansolabehere noted that despite the common belief "that fraud occurs at least somewhat often in elections … social scientists have been unable to develop unambiguous measures of the incidence of fraud, and legal cases find very little hard evidence on the matter."[72] In a 2012 analysis, News21 of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism surveyed thousands of election officials in 50 states regarding all instances of fraud relating to elections since 2000, and concluded that in-person voter impersonation is virtually non-existent, amounting to one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.[73]
LoL. Absolutely pointless talking to you. Why? Because I read more broadly than you? All of your sources are rated as Left Leaning. Get out of your woke bubble and read more broadly, and you might have something credible and non-hypocritical to say.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]It's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. Moron. Why does the rest of the civilized world have voter ID and the US does not?. Why does the rest of the civilized world put terms and conditions on early voting but the US does not? Why do the Democrats insist on them? Spare me the "voter suppression" bullshit. If there were voter suppression of blacks- and it IS blacks the Democrats tell us are having their votes suppressed- why do blacks and whites vote at about the same rates? Why do Asians and Hispanic vote at half the rate? That's quite a late to reply to this Enzo. In case you need a further update Trump's own people said the election was above board. Not that it matter to you. And in case you haven't been watching the news of late Biden was inaugurated an the 20th of January 2020. All of Trump's objections fizzled because, you, know, no evidence. The issues still remain: why do the Democrats insist on no voter ID and unrestricted early voting? The rest of the civilized democracies have these things. If they have nothing to hide, why don't the Democrats want to move alongside every other democracy? Why don't you ask the Republicans that are in charge and have the same rules? Maybe they could dumb it down enough for you to understand. Or see if this helps your dumb arse. https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_statehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws_in_the_United_StatesThe vast majority of voter ID laws in the United States target only voter impersonation, of which there are only 31 documented cases in the United States from the 2000–2014 period.[63] According to PolitiFact, "in-person voter fraud—the kind targeted by the ID law—remains extremely rare".[12] According to the Associated Press, the New York Times, NPR, CNBC, the Guardian and FactCheck.Org the available research and evidence point to the type of fraud that would be prevented by voter ID laws as "very rare" or "extremely rare".[64][65][66][67][68][69][70] PolitiFact finds the suggestion that "voter fraud is rampant" false, giving it its "Pants on Fire" rating.[12] Most cases of alleged voter fraud involving dead voters have been shown to be a result of incorrect matching of voter rolls and death records, such as when someone died after they voted rather than before.[71] Writing in 2009, Harvard political scientist Stephen Ansolabehere noted that despite the common belief "that fraud occurs at least somewhat often in elections … social scientists have been unable to develop unambiguous measures of the incidence of fraud, and legal cases find very little hard evidence on the matter."[72] In a 2012 analysis, News21 of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism surveyed thousands of election officials in 50 states regarding all instances of fraud relating to elections since 2000, and concluded that in-person voter impersonation is virtually non-existent, amounting to one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.[73]
LoL. Absolutely pointless talking to you. Why? Because I read more broadly than you? All of your sources are rated as Left Leaning. Get out of your woke bubble and read more broadly, and you might have something credible and non-hypocritical to say. Lol not a shred of irony there
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]It's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. Moron. Why does the rest of the civilized world have voter ID and the US does not?. Why does the rest of the civilized world put terms and conditions on early voting but the US does not? Why do the Democrats insist on them? Spare me the "voter suppression" bullshit. If there were voter suppression of blacks- and it IS blacks the Democrats tell us are having their votes suppressed- why do blacks and whites vote at about the same rates? Why do Asians and Hispanic vote at half the rate? That's quite a late to reply to this Enzo. In case you need a further update Trump's own people said the election was above board. Not that it matter to you. And in case you haven't been watching the news of late Biden was inaugurated an the 20th of January 2020. All of Trump's objections fizzled because, you, know, no evidence. The issues still remain: why do the Democrats insist on no voter ID and unrestricted early voting? The rest of the civilized democracies have these things. If they have nothing to hide, why don't the Democrats want to move alongside every other democracy? Why don't you ask the Republicans that are in charge and have the same rules? Maybe they could dumb it down enough for you to understand. Or see if this helps your dumb arse. https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_statehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws_in_the_United_StatesThe vast majority of voter ID laws in the United States target only voter impersonation, of which there are only 31 documented cases in the United States from the 2000–2014 period.[63] According to PolitiFact, "in-person voter fraud—the kind targeted by the ID law—remains extremely rare".[12] According to the Associated Press, the New York Times, NPR, CNBC, the Guardian and FactCheck.Org the available research and evidence point to the type of fraud that would be prevented by voter ID laws as "very rare" or "extremely rare".[64][65][66][67][68][69][70] PolitiFact finds the suggestion that "voter fraud is rampant" false, giving it its "Pants on Fire" rating.[12] Most cases of alleged voter fraud involving dead voters have been shown to be a result of incorrect matching of voter rolls and death records, such as when someone died after they voted rather than before.[71] Writing in 2009, Harvard political scientist Stephen Ansolabehere noted that despite the common belief "that fraud occurs at least somewhat often in elections … social scientists have been unable to develop unambiguous measures of the incidence of fraud, and legal cases find very little hard evidence on the matter."[72] In a 2012 analysis, News21 of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism surveyed thousands of election officials in 50 states regarding all instances of fraud relating to elections since 2000, and concluded that in-person voter impersonation is virtually non-existent, amounting to one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.[73]
LoL. Absolutely pointless talking to you. Why? Because I read more broadly than you? All of your sources are rated as Left Leaning. Get out of your woke bubble and read more broadly, and you might have something credible and non-hypocritical to say. Lol not a shred of irony there One example will do...
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Minneapolis looks to hire MORE police officers after defunding the police: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minneapolis-spend-64m-recruit-police-officers-75875382"Minneapolis is planning to spend $6.4 million to hire dozens of police officers, at a time when some City Council members and activist groups have been advocating to replace the police department following George Floyd’s death. The City Council voted unanimously Friday to approve the additional funding that police requested. The department says it only has 638 officers available to work — roughly 200 fewer than usual. An unprecedented number of officers quit or went on extended medical leave after Floyd’s death and the unrest that followed, which included the burning of a police precinct...
...more than 550 people shot, 80 murders mostly blacks in 2020..mostly peaceful protests, but ignore the burning private property and cars..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-resident-city-council-has-e2-80-98blood-on-their-hands-e2-80-99-for-defunding-police/vi-BB1dJqpL
Solution?
"“We have a policing system that doesn’t work for us and we need alternatives,” said Rachel Bean, who signed the petition Saturday. “I’m a social worker and I feel like we have lots of tools that we could try to create more community safety."
Yes send in the front line social workers..what could go wrong?
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Look at this MSM shill Enzo sharing all of these lamestream media cuck articles. -PB
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+xLook at this MSM shill Enzo sharing all of these lamestream media cuck articles. -PB Exactly. BBC, ABC, MSN. There's no depths he won't sink to.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]It's also ridiculous for people to defend Trump's speech that day (the exact wording of which can be argued either way) but ignore the premeditated MONTHS of false claims about the election. That's the cause of this. Not just one speech by a bunch of desperate clowns hiding behind glass pretending to be men of the people. I doubt even Enzo or Rusty would say they believe that tens of thousands of votes in various states were stolen or faked. That's why rusty wasn't here for 2 months. All normal headed people know it was a lie and saw it coming, mainly because Trump and his people told us they were going to do it for crying out loud aha Republicans humoured him, allowing him his "harmless day in court" (60odd times) and this, and what's to come, is the direct result of these blatant lies. To turn around and say, well some of the mob were just there for a laugh (true) and that other protests in history have had violent elements (true) and ignore the LIES that happened over the last few months that led huge chunks of the country to believe an election was stolen is idiotic. Being willing to defend that lying and attempts to bring into question the democratic process just because that "side" or "man" is on your side when your feelings are hurt and you're scared that all boys will be girls soon, men can marry men, women can have abortions and that beating a woman is seen as bad even though she belittled you for years is just pathetic. misinformation, disinformation and withholding of information in the lead up to the election. Why does the world most technologically-advanced nation insist on routine mail in voting and no ID even when there is no pandemic- when 80% of Europe doesn't? Idiot. Every single audit showed vote counts on the electronic machines matched the paper copies that were printed off when you voted and handed them over. Barr said there was nothing wrong with the election. Multiple Republican governors said there was nothing wrong with the election. Every independent organisation said there was nothing wrong with the election. Postal votes were signature matched. Where signatures didn't match a Republican, a Democrat and an independent would scrutinise the envelopes and accept it or not. There were actually more steps than this but it varies across states. Trump spouted over 20 000 lies during his 4 year term and you talk about misinformation. Meanwhile nearly 400 000 people are dead and still the orange fucking clown refuses to believe it's serious. There is something seriously wrong with you. You need to get off whatever you're on. Moron. Why does the rest of the civilized world have voter ID and the US does not?. Why does the rest of the civilized world put terms and conditions on early voting but the US does not? Why do the Democrats insist on them? Spare me the "voter suppression" bullshit. If there were voter suppression of blacks- and it IS blacks the Democrats tell us are having their votes suppressed- why do blacks and whites vote at about the same rates? Why do Asians and Hispanic vote at half the rate? That's quite a late to reply to this Enzo. In case you need a further update Trump's own people said the election was above board. Not that it matter to you. And in case you haven't been watching the news of late Biden was inaugurated an the 20th of January 2020. All of Trump's objections fizzled because, you, know, no evidence. The issues still remain: why do the Democrats insist on no voter ID and unrestricted early voting? The rest of the civilized democracies have these things. If they have nothing to hide, why don't the Democrats want to move alongside every other democracy? Why don't you ask the Republicans that are in charge and have the same rules? Maybe they could dumb it down enough for you to understand. Or see if this helps your dumb arse. https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_statehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws_in_the_United_StatesThe vast majority of voter ID laws in the United States target only voter impersonation, of which there are only 31 documented cases in the United States from the 2000–2014 period.[63] According to PolitiFact, "in-person voter fraud—the kind targeted by the ID law—remains extremely rare".[12] According to the Associated Press, the New York Times, NPR, CNBC, the Guardian and FactCheck.Org the available research and evidence point to the type of fraud that would be prevented by voter ID laws as "very rare" or "extremely rare".[64][65][66][67][68][69][70] PolitiFact finds the suggestion that "voter fraud is rampant" false, giving it its "Pants on Fire" rating.[12] Most cases of alleged voter fraud involving dead voters have been shown to be a result of incorrect matching of voter rolls and death records, such as when someone died after they voted rather than before.[71] Writing in 2009, Harvard political scientist Stephen Ansolabehere noted that despite the common belief "that fraud occurs at least somewhat often in elections … social scientists have been unable to develop unambiguous measures of the incidence of fraud, and legal cases find very little hard evidence on the matter."[72] In a 2012 analysis, News21 of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism surveyed thousands of election officials in 50 states regarding all instances of fraud relating to elections since 2000, and concluded that in-person voter impersonation is virtually non-existent, amounting to one out of about every 15 million prospective voters.[73]
LoL. Absolutely pointless talking to you. Why? Because I read more broadly than you? All of your sources are rated as Left Leaning. Get out of your woke bubble and read more broadly, and you might have something credible and non-hypocritical to say. Breitbart and Infowars are not good examples of reading more widely. See also OOAN.
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+xMinneapolis looks to hire MORE police officers after defunding the police: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minneapolis-spend-64m-recruit-police-officers-75875382"Minneapolis is planning to spend $6.4 million to hire dozens of police officers, at a time when some City Council members and activist groups have been advocating to replace the police department following George Floyd’s death. The City Council voted unanimously Friday to approve the additional funding that police requested. The department says it only has 638 officers available to work — roughly 200 fewer than usual. An unprecedented number of officers quit or went on extended medical leave after Floyd’s death and the unrest that followed, which included the burning of a police precinct...
...more than 550 people shot, 80 murders mostly blacks in 2020..mostly peaceful protests, but ignore the burning private property and cars..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-resident-city-council-has-e2-80-98blood-on-their-hands-e2-80-99-for-defunding-police/vi-BB1dJqpL
Solution?
"“We have a policing system that doesn’t work for us and we need alternatives,” said Rachel Bean, who signed the petition Saturday. “I’m a social worker and I feel like we have lots of tools that we could try to create more community safety."
Yes send in the front line social workers..what could go wrong?
So there was no defunding just resignations and extended leave and now they're remedying that by hiring more police. Uh huh. So what exactly is the issue? Defund police bad. Hire more police bad. Enzo FTW.
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Remember the good old days when rusty was the biggest loon on here?
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The state’s prevailing social Darwinism was expressed most succinctly by the mayor of Colorado City, who accused his constituents – trapped in near sub-zero temperatures and complaining about lack of heat, electricity and drinkable water – of being the “lazy” products of a “socialist government”, adding “I’m sick and tired of people looking for a damn handout!” and predicting “only the strong will survive and the weak will perish”."
Hahah fucking America.
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+xThe state’s prevailing social Darwinism was expressed most succinctly by the mayor of Colorado City, who accused his constituents – trapped in near sub-zero temperatures and complaining about lack of heat, electricity and drinkable water – of being the “lazy” products of a “socialist government”, adding “I’m sick and tired of people looking for a damn handout!” and predicting “only the strong will survive and the weak will perish”."
Hahah fucking America.
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USA, USA!!
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+x+xThe state’s prevailing social Darwinism was expressed most succinctly by the mayor of Colorado City, who accused his constituents – trapped in near sub-zero temperatures and complaining about lack of heat, electricity and drinkable water – of being the “lazy” products of a “socialist government”, adding “I’m sick and tired of people looking for a damn handout!” and predicting “only the strong will survive and the weak will perish”."
Hahah fucking America.
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USA, USA!! Jesus when did they lose all empathy? This is what happens when people got brain washed Into thinking that helping others is socialism
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+xRemember the good old days when rusty was the biggest loon on here? I remember when rusty was a reasonable poster and there were other nutty posters. If one disappears there's always another that gets sucked into that voidl
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+x+xRemember the good old days when rusty was the biggest loon on here? I remember when rusty was a reasonable poster and there were other nutty posters. If one disappears there's always another that gets sucked into that voidl Rusty was a great poster before he went all weird. Same with stefcep I mean enzo
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