Yeah there was definitely that car crash-esque cant look away vibe with Trump. 

Me watching the press briefing this morning: wow so good to be back to normal

me 5 minutes later: well this is kinda boring :D

A good day for reasonable human beings and people who care about democracy. 

Will be difficult to see who is going to stop the Democrats from eating babies and defeating Satan but fingers crossed they only have to wait 4 more years.

Adios Trump.

Next stop jail.

Guess Trump's healthcare plan will never see the light of day lol

-PB

Conscience vote in the senate for the impeachment.  That's interesting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-17/donald-trump-impeachment-vote-of-conscience-mitch-mcconnell/13064612

Anyway, I found this a few days ago but never got around to posting it. The discrepancy between the US Census and the Electoral Roll in Michigan was already challenged in Court by the GOP back in June 2020 - well before the election. It seems to be a fruitless exercise. I haven't dug up the Court case itself, but given that Trump has not made any noise about it shows that it went nowhere - source here: https://apnews.com/article/2ad645ad036afc0134ac4a0bb6614377

To quote from the article:
"Benson spokesman Jake Rollow said the lawsuit “seeks to gain media attention using debunked claims and bad statistics to delegitimize our elections. It compares old census data and registration numbers that make no attempt to distinguish between active and inactive registration, and asserts the false notion that voter registration rates should be low.”

Actual incidents of in-person voter fraud nationwide remain extremely rare, and President Donald Trump’s now-disbanded voting integrity commission failed to uncover any evidence of extensive election misconduct."

What this tells me is that the Michigan Secretary of State have a perfectly legitimate explanation for why there is a difference between two sets of published figures. 

More importantly, Trump had set up a voter integrity commission before the election to crack down on this - and found nothing. The fact that he is crying foul after the election, when he has found not any widespread voter fraud beforehand shows that he is just trying to delegitimize the result. 

The Trump election appeal case result is 1 win to 64 losses. The only win he had was the Court letting Trump observers move a few feet closer to the counting. The Penn Electoral Commission told people to socially distance a bit too much in the Courts view. 

And all those lawyers and journalists didn't?

-PB

Why do you think 100% of fraudulent votes are going to Biden?  Surely if there's widespread fraud then both sides would be at it.

Not only that why would the democrats rig an election not to have control of the senate only relying on the run off election to gain control by the most minute of margins.

Don't forget not once did your orange clown poll over 50% in any poll over the past 4 years.

Just ridiculous.

Are you kidding?
The posts I've made set out the sources. US Census, Wayne County, State of Michigan etc. etc.
They are all publicly available. Check it out for yourself.

You know, more than 39% of the United States population including 17% of Democrats believe there was fraudulent and/or corrupt activity in the election. I'm not a 'lone wolf' or outlier in noticing the weird and unexplained irregularities that occurred.

I'm not alleging a conspiracy. As I said, at first, I just thought it was the worst run election in modern history, but the constant barrage of denial in the mainstream media of any irregularities when there is clear evidence of major irregularities piqued my interest. Why can't any media companies publish accurate factual reports that highlight some of the irregularities like the one in Wayne County i've mentioned earlier? As has been pointed out, they go into detail about the number of votes cast being less than the number of registered voters, but they don't point out the facts that I have about the poll book being rotten. Do you know what a rotten poll book allows?
Think about it. Those potentially couple of hundred thousand illegitimately registered voters that don't exist/reside there all could have voted. Who voted for them? Which candidate received their votes? It is a secret ballot and so we will never know, but my moneys on a 100% of them going to Biden.

Then, Ted Cruz suggested a repeat of a measure that had been undertaken before in 1877, a 10 day joint House/Senate/Supreme Court commission comprised of 5 Republicans, 5 Democrats and 5 Supreme Court Justices to investigate claims of fraud, and this was refused. I mean, if there was nothing to hide, what better way to get 70 million odd people on side. The refusal of congress to do this was what really tipped me over the edge into definitely believing there was a massive fraud.

You know the most annoying thing about all this?

I don't even like Donald Trump as a human being.
I do think the Republicans policies are better than the Democrats (which have both racist and fascist leanings), I just can't stand the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

I mean Christ on a stick mark, even rusty and Enzo don't actually believe this crap. What does that tell you?

Spent "a couple of hours checking facts" which you can't provide sources of and you are convinced that a bipartisan conspiracy evolving thousands of state officials, county officials, election watchdog officials, state judges, county judges, Supreme Court judges, politicians on every level and the attorney general of the United States have all decided to look the other way in every instance of this apparent fraud, often risking their own careers to stop the "left" from doing what the "right" ended up actually trying to do?

It's sad that you feel so disenfranchised by democracy. Can partially understand it, I was pretty down after the last federal election result here and have had similar feelings about the very large media players here in Australia and their influence on people's voting. I haven't ever thought that any election here, in the US, the UK or other western european nations was fraudulent though. It's a big jump to that and scary to think what the end result of that could be.


You seem very convinced of it though.

You'd have to ask Trump's legal team what their strategy is.

I suppose I can say this election was as free and fair as elections in North Korea, Zimbabwe, Belarus, Venezuela, Russia, etc.

You know, those places where their own domestic courts haven't found any fraud and where the winners always assert that the elections were free and fair, regardless of what the losers or international commentators say.

I'm not across it. I just spent a couple of hours checking facts.

Trump's legal team, just like the republican moderates mark mentioned, intentionally withheld evidence in all these court cases to avoid a civil war. 

Yeah, that'd be it. 

Taking the registered numbers as being higher than population on face value. Have a question for you as you seem to be really across this. Do you think it's possible that people may be registered to vote in that county but have since moved to other places, died etc and didn't have their registration updated?
The names of people that voted in the election is something that is known. If this was an issue, it wouldn't have been too hard for Trump's legal team to find the 10s of thousands of names and cross check them against who actually is ineligible to find discrepancies. They don't seem to be able to prove that. Why would that be the case?

No most people don't care. I agree.

So why is it that the people who don't care about those things (like you?) talk about it with such rage and passion and bring them up constantly as an example what "the left" stands for and why society is doomed and feel like it's being shoved in your face?

I am an example of someone who doesn't particularly care about any of those issues and because of that I basically never think or talk about it.

A guy I know marries another guy, I go to the wedding like any other wedding (for example).
I literally do not care.

I don't believe you for a second when you say you don't care coz everything you post shows that you do

PPS. Don't forget, it is not compulsory to register to vote in the USA and the numbers above would presume that every single eligible person registered, which would still give you a shortfall of at least 80k.

In reality, the average percentage of eligible people who actually bother to register to vote is historically less than 80% in the USA, so we can expect that even in a 'breakout year' if 90% of people who were eligible registered to vote, the total amount of registered voters would be in the order of approximately 1,146,606 persons. ie about 259,749 people less than the number of registered voters in Wayne County.

Fuck me, why do I bother with this shit!

For the record I only added those examples in because guys like you and Rusty on here go on about that crap all the time. 

You are the ones that seem to get so ruffled because other people live their life in a way you wouldn't personally.

HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!

PS. Wayne County has been losing residents at about 5k to 15k on average every year for the last 10 years, with about 2,300 celebrated as the lowest loss. In 1990 it had 2,107,915 residents, in 2009 it had 1,924,438 residents. Census says Wayne County had 1,749, 343 resident persons as at 2019. Data USA, shows that Wayne County has a citizenship rate of 95/7% (https://datausa.io/profile/geo/detroit-mi/?compare=wayne-county-mi#demographics).
If we take the total resident population of Wayne County 1,749,943 and see how many citizens there are (95.7%) the total number of citizens is 1,674,121 people

Of these, 23.9% were under 18 (approximately 400,100). The total number of citizens 18 and over is about 1,274,007 people.The number of registered voters is 1,406,355. This is a different of about 132k.

In 2018, there were about 73,500 people aged between 15-17, if we assume an even split of each year, then approximately 50,000 could have turned 18 and been eligible to vote.
There are still more than 80k registered voters than eligible voting population. I also note that many 18 year olds leave Detroit and Wayne County to joint military or go off to college.

To put it bluntly, there are at least 80 thousand more registered voters in Wayne County than there are people entitled to register to vote.

PS. Please don't give me grief about sources and conspiracy sources again. I won't be going back over shit I looked into months ago for an election in a foreign country.
To be frank, I just hate to see obvious bullshit and corruption rammed down my throat, and I've seen plenty of that by people who hate Trump. This is especially so for Bullshit "fact checkers" who do not actually check facts.

Oops, my bad. I just realised I wrote votes cast when I should have wrote voters registered.
ie there are more people registered to vote in Wayne County than there are people eligible to be registered to vote.
Back in early November I checked the US Census website, Wayne County website, Michigan State Government website and Save the Detroit Child website to see how many people 18 years or older lived in Wayne County. There are less than the 1.4 million odd people registered to vote.
The poll book includes anywhere from a hundred thousand to a couple hundred thousand names of people who do not live in Wayne County and are not eligible to vote in Wayne County.
I didn’t get that information from Trump or the mainstream media, and that is a fact that has not been’debunked’.

Always a tweet



-PB

I found that link too. But Mark said source material and not from the media. So here we are waiting...

Pretty much this. 

I've lirerally argued on this forum a million times that left wing identity politics and political correctness was a large part of what got Trump elected in the first place. 

You need to get this simplistic notion out of your head that any criticism of Trump comes from that particular group-think. Listen to someone like Sam Harris if you want to get an idea about how I personally  about the man. 

Yeah it must be disappointing to have your whole world view turned upside down.  So much better for you blokes when women knew their places, pooftahs could be bashed with impunity, cross dressers only ran the FBI instead of roaming around willy Nilly and black people were 2nd class citizens.

I get it.  Chin up son.  There's a civil war coming.

if you weren't, you would actually know Trump was an outcome not a cause and you'd be hating the cause not the outcome.