United States of America: Commander in Chief Joe Biden


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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:
A black president followed by a female president. Republicans everywhere will be screaming "why has God forsaken me"......

A Jewish president would be more interesting.
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trident wrote:
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[size=8]He doesn't look weak and insipid, he's a 74 year old Jewish man. I would be suspicious if he looked like Vince McMahon at his age.[/size]

No he didn't. It is a toothless scandal that has been admitted to be a farce simply to discredit Clinton

Jim Webb seems to be a fine politician but he lacks the rhetoric for this election

He also sits on the following committees:
- Ranking Member, Senate Committee on the Budget
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- Member, Subcommittee on Energy
- Member, Subcommittee on National Parks
- Member, Subcommittee on Water and Power
- Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works
- Member, Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
- Member, Subcommittee on Fisheries, Water, and Wildlife
- Member, Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
- Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
- Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Primary Health and Retirement Security
- Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
- Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs


Whilst not accusing anyone on this forum, you'd have to say a fair amount of the detractors Bernie has is rooted in some antisemitism.

The republicans trying to make something out of nothing with Hillary's emails is laughable. Try as they might they wont get anywhere because there is nothing to see. Hillary's record is second to none on foreign policy. I think she has to put up with probably more than her fair share also due to the fact of her being a woman in a male dominated domain.

No real woman would use that pathetic excuse.

The iron lady and Queen Elizabeth are far stronger than any fairy who would talk that crap.
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u4486662 wrote:
trident wrote:
marconi101 wrote:

[size=8]He doesn't look weak and insipid, he's a 74 year old Jewish man. I would be suspicious if he looked like Vince McMahon at his age.[/size]

No he didn't. It is a toothless scandal that has been admitted to be a farce simply to discredit Clinton

Jim Webb seems to be a fine politician but he lacks the rhetoric for this election

He also sits on the following committees:
- Ranking Member, Senate Committee on the Budget
- Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
- Member, Subcommittee on Energy
- Member, Subcommittee on National Parks
- Member, Subcommittee on Water and Power
- Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works
- Member, Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
- Member, Subcommittee on Fisheries, Water, and Wildlife
- Member, Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
- Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
- Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Primary Health and Retirement Security
- Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
- Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs


Whilst not accusing anyone on this forum, you'd have to say a fair amount of the detractors Bernie has is rooted in some antisemitism.

The republicans trying to make something out of nothing with Hillary's emails is laughable. Try as they might they wont get anywhere because there is nothing to see. Hillary's record is second to none on foreign policy. I think she has to put up with probably more than her fair share also due to the fact of her being a woman in a male dominated domain.

No real woman would use that pathetic excuse.

The iron lady and Queen Elizabeth are far stronger than any fairy who would talk that crap.


fairy?
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u4486662 wrote:
Trump will do exactly what the military tells him.

Like all good US presidents.


Not sure if thats quite true. There's a notable difference between Republican and Democrats foreign policy.
The Republicans are far more keen to intervene whilst the Democrats are restrained.
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u4486662 wrote:
Trump will do exactly what the military tells him.

Like all good US presidents.


Wtf he's completely out of sync with the mainstream GOP foreign policy. He doesn't give a shit about Putin in Syria and wants to take a non-interventionist stance.
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Trump now pushing 911 conspiracy theories. Could it get any worse?
He'll say anything for a headline.
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What do you expect from somebody who is clearly the offspring a motherfucking orangutan. :lol:

WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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Trump's campaign in freefall after these comments
http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13386269/donald-trump-odds-improve-12-1-win-us-presidential-race-2016-chalk

sooner or later, we all knew this was going to happen

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[size=8]Donald Trump's odds down to 12-1 to win 2016 election[/size]
8/8/2015

Donald Trump has the international betting market's attention, but despite what some polls suggest, oddsmakers have the boisterous billionaire pegged as a second-tier underdog to be the next president of the United States.

Trump's rise has been brisk and loud, but he still has a long ways to go to catch consensus favorite Hillary Clinton, who is currently even money to be the next president. More money has been bet on Clinton than any other candidate -- 10 times more than Trump at Ladbrokes, according to head of political odds Matthew Shaddick.

William Hill reported taking bets on Clinton to one day become president as far back as the 1990s, when her husband, Bill, was in the White House.

Odds to win 2016 U.S. presidential election
(Courtesy of William Hill U.K.)
CANDIDATE   ODDS
Hillary Clinton   1-1
Jeb Bush   7-2
Marco Rubio   7-1
Scott Walker   10-1
Bernie Sanders   12-1
Donald Trump   14-1
Joe Biden   14-1
Rand Paul   25-1
John Kasich   25-1
Mike Huckabee   25-1
Chris Christie   50-1
Elizabeth Warren   66-1
Ben Carson   100-1
Republican Jeb Bush, at 7-2, is the second favorite, followed by Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (10-1). U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Trump are next at 12-1. A bettor in 2014 at Ladbrokes backed Sanders at 500-1 and would win more than £75,000 with an upset victory.

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Bullshit odds.

How is Bush second favourite? He's on less than 10% ffs.
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433 wrote:
Bullshit odds.

How is Bush second favourite? He's on less than 10% ffs.


I posted an article earlier in this thread that answers your question.

If you ask voters "who do you THINK will win the nomination" as opposed to "who would YOU vote for" they answer Jeb and Hillary.

And it is well established that in polls early on in the Primary process when there are many candidates, voting intention is not as indicative as asking who you think will win.

It is important to remember that most people are not engaged in the process at present.

I'll eat my hat if it doesn't end up as Hillary v Jeb.
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Trump isn't even a great business man - he inherited his wealth. His father was the one that built the company.

It's amazing that so many people who inherit their wealth are the first to preach that people should be self-reliant. I suppose it looks like it is easy to score a home run when you were born on 3rd base!

Trump is an American Berlusconi - someone who is a vain opportunist with no ethics. Struck it lucky gambling on the property market in New York, but also went bankrupt.

And what makes anyone think being a property speculator in New York provides any relevant skill sets to be President?
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AzzaMarch wrote:
It's amazing that so many people who inherit their wealth are the first to preach that people should be self-reliant. I suppose it looks like it is easy to score a home run when you were born on 3rd base!


Cough Gina cough :lol:

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I hate this "trump went bankrupt" line.

He has hundreds of subsidiaries/companies, and he used the bankruptcy laws as a business tactic like others do.

I'll ask you this, who do you think has the skills to be president? The typical bunch of lawyers, arts degree holders and sycophants that we're presented with each cycle?
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The bottom line is that Trump supports a protectionist trade policy, an isolationist foreign policy, and is strong on immigration. No wonder he's doing so well.
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AzzaMarch wrote:
433 wrote:
Bullshit odds.

How is Bush second favourite? He's on less than 10% ffs.


I posted an article earlier in this thread that answers your question.

If you ask voters "who do you THINK will win the nomination" as opposed to "who would YOU vote for" they answer Jeb and Hillary.

And it is well established that in polls early on in the Primary process when there are many candidates, voting intention is not as indicative as asking who you think will win.

It is important to remember that most people are not engaged in the process at present.

I'll eat my hat if it doesn't end up as Hillary v Jeb.


Indeed and they're both far more qualified than Trumpy the clown.
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433 wrote:
The bottom line is that Trump supports a protectionist trade policy, an isolationist foreign policy, and is strong on immigration. No wonder he's doing so well.


Protectionist Trade Policy?
The US is perhaps the greatest beneficiary of free trade over the last 100 or so years. Why would you want to be isolationist if you were the USA? Isolationist trade policy is insane for the US.

Isolationist foreign policy?
I don't know how you can state that - he has been totally contradictory in his statements on foreign policy, sometimes advancing disengagement, sometimes arguing intervention. In all cases he proposes unrealistic simplistic solutions to incredibly complex problems.

Strong on Immigration?
Easy to spout hardline sounding rubbish. But again, where is the reality? If things were so easy to fix, they would have occurred. You also forget that the US economy cannot afford to get rid of their illegal migrants, as they make up the American wage slave underclass that props up the rich.

The only thing that is good about him is that he is not part of the establishment, and has pointed out real issues about politicians being the plaything of rich donors.

But then again, Karl Marx had some good insights about the limitations of capitalism. That doesn't make communism a better option.
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AzzaMarch wrote:
433 wrote:
The bottom line is that Trump supports a protectionist trade policy, an isolationist foreign policy, and is strong on immigration. No wonder he's doing so well.


Protectionist Trade Policy?
The US is perhaps the greatest beneficiary of free trade over the last 100 or so years. Why would you want to be isolationist if you were the USA? Isolationist trade policy is insane for the US.


So that jobs aren't off-shored and outsourced. Pretty obvious really.

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Isolationist foreign policy?
I don't know how you can state that - he has been totally contradictory in his statements on foreign policy, sometimes advancing disengagement, sometimes arguing intervention.


He's argued against intervention in Iraq, and continues to argue against intervention in Syria.

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In all cases he proposes unrealistic simplistic solutions to incredibly complex problems.


So bombing the shit and occupying these countries, making their populations hate us is a solution? :roll:

Why not let them sort it the fuck out themselves.

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Strong on Immigration?
Easy to spout hardline sounding rubbish. But again, where is the reality? If things were so easy to fix, they would have occurred. You also forget that the US economy cannot afford to get rid of their illegal migrants, as they make up the American wage slave underclass that props up the rich.


There's approx 10 million illegals, and even fewer work. America could easily dispense of these people. And things haven't been "fixed" because no won wants them to be fixed - the democrats want more votes and Republicans want them for slave labour for big business.

Besides, America has rising unemployment, this would give jobs back into the hands of locals and stop the exploitation of mass migration by big business.



Edited by 433: 22/10/2015 03:38:35 PM
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So that jobs aren't off-shored and outsourced. Pretty obvious really.

Except that you miss the point of free trade - free trade doesn't mean there are no losers. What it means is that the losers (manufacturing) are FAR outweighed by the winners (consumers and services).

By bringing in tariffs they will be far worse off. That is basic economics.

He's argued against intervention in Iraq, and continues to argue against intervention in Syria.

Except that he has at other times stated contradictory comments about Iran, Syria etc. He isn't consistent, and he hasn't outlined any actual plan other than saying what has been done so far has been a mistake.

So bombing the shit and occupying these countries, making their populations hate us is a solution?

Who said that? Just because he can criticise something, doesn't mean he has any actual solutions. Whenever he gets pressed in interviews he flubs it off.

There's approx 10 million illegals, and even fewer work. America could easily dispense of these people. And things haven't been "fixed" because no won wants them to be fixed - the democrats want more votes and Republicans want them for slave labour for big business.

Besides, America has rising unemployment, this would give jobs back into the hands of locals and stop the exploitation of mass migration by big business.


The reason it hasn't been "fixed" is because it is impossible to keep people out with a wall. He can say it all he wants, how do you physically do it? And that's ignoring the question of whether it is a desirable policy.

If you were so worried about migrant exploitation, why not set up LEGAL guest worker programs where people from Mexico could come to the US to work then return home without the concern about being able to come back again. The solution is more open borders to the south, not less.

And where have you got the idea that US unemployment is rising? That is blatantly incorrect. It is currently 5.1%, at its lowest level since April 2008 (pre-GFC).

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000


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Obama has done wonders to lower the unemployment rate in this economic climate. He doesnt get the credit he deserves.
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trident wrote:
Obama has done wonders to lower the unemployment rate in this economic climate. He doesnt get the credit he deserves.


I think he does cop a lot of unfair criticism.

But on this point I disagree - the role of President doesn't actually have as much power as it is often credited with, especially when congress is controlled by the other party.

The biggest power the role has is on foreign affairs. Domestically, unless congress is compliant, they can't actually do much.

I will give him credit for health care reform.
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AzzaMarch wrote:
I will give him credit for health care reform.

Agree. And Michael Moore should also take some of the credit with his documentary 'Sicko'.
Sad that, as in Australia, demonising the vulnerable is standard fare for the right wing.
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Truly ebin, I love that people get their talking points form intellectual heavy weights such as Maher and Oliver.

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433 wrote:
tbitm wrote:
[youtube]LATqcoGOsxE[/youtube]


Truly ebin, I love that people get their talking points form intellectual heavy weights such as Maher and Oliver.
:roll: loosen up
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433 wrote:
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Truly ebin, I love that people get their talking points form intellectual heavy weights such as Maher and Oliver.

Well, Republicans will always be cannon fodder for comedians
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ted-cruz-shows-how-he-became-a-collegiate-debate-champ-and-other-cnbc-results/413266/

Good summary of the debate.
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Donald Trump: 21 things the Republican believes

Donald Trump is the frontrunner in the Republican race to be the presidential nominee for next year's election. What are his policies and beliefs?

1. Arab-Americans cheered the attacks on 9/11.Trump repeatedly claimed that on 11 September, 2001, there were thousands of Arab-Americans celebrating in New Jersey after two planes flew into the Twin Towers. He says such public demonstrations "tell you something" about Muslims living in the US, however there are no media reports to back up the claim.

2. There should be surveillance on US mosques. Trump believes Muslims should be tracked by law enforcement as a counterterrorism initiative. He has walked back some comments about keeping a database on all American Muslims, but says he doesn't care if watching mosques is seen as "politically incorrect".

3. The US should use waterboardingand other methods of "strong interrogation" in its fight against the Islamic State. The candidate said that these methods are "peanuts" compared to the tactics used by the militants, such as beheadings.

4. Trump would "bomb the hell" out of IS. He claims that no other candidate would be tougher on the Islamic State and he would weaken the militants by cutting off their access to oil.

5. Create a simpler tax code.Trump wants anyone who earns less than $25,000 (£16,524) to pay no income tax. They would submit nothing more than a single page tax form that reads "I win". He would lower the business tax to 15%. He would also allow multinational companies keeping money overseas to repatriate their cash at a 10% tax rate.

6. Hedge fund managers are "getting away with murder" under the current US tax code. Trump found common ground with Democrats like Senator Elizabeth Warren when he said that hedge fund managers and the ultra-wealthy do not pay enough taxes. However, after the campaign released specifics of his plan, analysts argued that hedge fund managers would actually get a tax cut along with the middle class.

7. He wants to build a "great, great wall" between the US and Mexico. In some of his earliest campaign comments, Trump suggested that Mexicans coming to the US are largely criminals. "They are bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and they're rapists," he said. A wall on the border, he claims, will not only keep out undocumented immigrants but Syrian migrants as well. He also believes that Mexico should have to pay for the wall, which a BBC analysis estimates could cost between $2.2bn and $13bn.

8. A mass deportation of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants living in the US should go into effect. Despite criticism that this idea is both xenophobic and prohibitively expensive - the BBC estimates $114bn - Trump says his deportation plan is as achievable as it will be humane. In addition, his immigration reforms would end "birthright citizenship", the policy that grants the children of illegal immigrants citizenship so long as they are born on American soil. He does not support creating a new path to citizenship for undocumented workers.

9. He and Vladmir Putin would "get along very well". In an interview with CNN, Trump said that Putin and Obama dislike one another too much to negotiate, but that "I would probably get along with him very well. And I don't think you'd be having the kind of problems that you're having right now".

10. In order to end mass shootings, the US should invest in mental health treatment. However, Trump does not believe that more gun control is the answer. In a position paper on gun rights, Trump revealed he has a concealed carry permit and that when it comes to gun and magazine bans, "the government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own". He would also oppose an expansion of background checks.

11. China should be taken to task on a number of issues in order to make trade with the US more equitable. If elected he says he will make China stop undervaluing its currency, and force it to step up its environmental and labour standards. He is also critical of the county's lax attitude towards American intellectual property and hacking.

12. The Black Lives Matter movement is "trouble". Trump mocks Democratic candidates like Martin O'Malley for apologising to members of the protest movement against police brutality and casts himself as a pro-law enforcement candidate. "I think they're looking for trouble," he once said of the activist group. He also tweeted a controversial graphic purporting to show that African Americans kill whites and blacks at a far higher rates than whites or police officers. However, the graphic cites a fictitious "Crime Statistics Bureau" for its numbers, and has been widely debunked using real FBI data.

13. Current unemployment statistics are wrong. Trump has said repeatedly that unemployment in the US is at 20% - once commenting it may be as high as 42% - despite the fact that the Bureau of Labor Statistics pegs the number at 5.1%. Trump says he doesn't believe that figure is real.

14. His net worth is $10bn. Based on Trump's 92-page personal financial disclosure form, Bloomberg calculated that the real estate mogul is worth about $2.9bn and Forbes put Trump's worth at $4bn. In response, Trump insisted in a press release that he is worth "in excess of TEN BILLION DOLLARS". He is self-funding his campaign and describes his start in the business world as a "small loan of a million dollars" from his father.

15. Veteran healthcare in the US needs a major overhaul. Trump wants to clear out the executive level in the Department of Veterans Affairs, saying that wait times for doctor visits have only increased after previous interventions failed. Thousands of veterans have died while waiting for care, he says. He will invest in the treatment of "invisible wounds" like post-traumatic stress disorder and depression. He would also increase the number of doctors who specialise in women's health to help care for the increasing number of female veterans.

16. Obamacare is a "disaster". Trump says he favours repealing the president's Affordable Care Act, which aims at extending the number of Americans with health insurance, but he believes that "everybody's got to be covered". A spokesman for Trump told Forbes that he will propose "a health plan that will return authority to the states and operate under free market principles".

17. Climate change is just "weather". While Trump believes that maintaining "clean air" and "clean water" is important, he dismissed climate change science as a "hoax" and believes environmental restrictions on businesses makes them less competitive in the global marketplace. "I do not believe that we should imperil the companies within our country," he told CNN on the issue. "It costs so much and nobody knows exactly if it's going to work."

18. The world would be better off if Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddhafi were still in power. Trump told CNN that he believes the situation in both Libya and Iraq is "far worse" than it ever was under the two deceased dictators. While he concedes Hussein was a "horrible guy", he says he did a better job combating terrorists.

19. He would send back Syrian migrants seeking asylum in the US. He says that the Paris attacks prove that even a handful of terrorists posing as migrants could do catastrophic damage, and so he will oppose resettling any Syrians in the US, and deport those who have already been placed here.

20. Kim Davis should get another job. The Kentucky clerk became a conservative cause when she was jailed for refusing to issue marriage licences to gay couples because of her Christian faith. But Trump said: "I'm a very, very strong believer in Christianity and religion, but I will say that this was not the right job for her."

21. He is a "really nice guy". In Trump's most recent book, Crippled America, he writes that "I'm a really nice guy, believe me, I pride myself on being a nice guy but I'm also passionate and determined to make our country great again". The news site Gawker points out that he calls himself a "nice guy" throughout the book, and Trump repeated that self-assessment in his opening monologue on Saturday Night Live.

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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
Trump will win, I have a horrible feeling about this.


He certainly has a chance but his divisive nature may work against him. Cruz and Rubio look to be putting themselves in good position as well. Carson is polling okay but I don't think he has much of a chance.

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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
Trump will win, I have a horrible feeling about this.


It is possible, but hugely unlikely I think. He still has a year to implode.

Right now he has momentum because he's seen as strong on terrorism in the wake of the Paris attacks, but just prior to them he was going backwards in the polls and was very crudely lashing out at other candidates (even worse than before) - he clearly wasn't coping with having a bad run of weeks. And as other Republicans drop out of the race I expect their supporters would coalesce around Trump's mainstream challenger (probably Rubio).

Even if he wins the nomination he'll be truly exposed for what he is (arrogant, incompetent, deluded etc.) once voters start paying more attention during the campaign for President itself. People will tend towards the devil they know (probably Clinton).
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
Trump will win, I have a horrible feeling about this.


Don't stress - he won't even win the republican nomination.

If he somehow won the republican primaries, he would be smashed in a general election. Why?

In the primaries very few people vote, and the ones that do are the most passionate ones - for the republicans this means the religious fundamentalists, gun nuts, anti-Mexicans etc etc.

When it gets to the Presidential election, people take notice and 50-60% of eligible voters turn out. They won't vote for him, he is too extreme.

That is why Mitt Romney was regarded by many republicans as "too moderate", whereas in the Presidential election he was regarded as a crackpot right winger.

This has been the problem for republican presidential candidates for many elections - to win the Republican primaries you have to move to the right, whereas in a general election you have to move to the centre. As the republican base has become more and more fringe and extreme as average voters become cynical and disengaged, this has made it harder and harder for candidates.

That is why Bernie Sanders is a blessing in disguise for Hilary - she is being attacked from the left, but Sanders is more to the left than the democrat support base. Hilary can stick more to the centre and won't lose support.

I must admit I was adamant it would be Hillary vs Jeb. I still think this is likely, but Jeb has been so poor that it might end up being Rubio. But it won't be Trump.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 25/11/2015 09:08:35 AM
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