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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+xAs if there was any doubt: "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information,....."They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it"... .....They got States to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding.... https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/So the election was NOT rigged.. it was "fortified" and democracy was "protected". Hahahahahahaha. Keep digging champ. Selective quoting and cherry picking at it's best. If that's your 'hot take' out of that massive article about 'protecting democracy' then you really are fried. Can I call you a name here or will you need a box of tissues and complain to other posters? How's that civil war you predicted panning out? I'm gonna quote boxer/philosopher Mike Tyson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIo9XwX4GRQ
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Muz
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+x+x+xAs if there was any doubt: "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information,....."They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it"... .....They got States to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding.... https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/So the election was NOT rigged.. it was "fortified" and democracy was "protected". Hahahahahahaha. Keep digging champ. Selective quoting and cherry picking at it's best. If that's your 'hot take' out of that massive article about 'protecting democracy' then you really are fried. Can I call you a name here or will you need a box of tissues and complain to other posters? How's that civil war you predicted panning out? I think we can safely say that the US presidential election was just as honest and open as elections in North Korea, Venezuela, Russia, Zimbabwe, Belarus where there have been no findings of any corruption by their courts and no evidence presented to prove any corruption or electoral fraud. Davide82 wrote: ' You're trying your best to make sense of the world with the tools you were given and that's awesome.'
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MarkfromCroydon
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+x+xAs if there was any doubt: "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information,....."They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it"... .....They got States to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding.... https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/So the election was NOT rigged.. it was "fortified" and democracy was "protected". Hahahahahahaha. Keep digging champ. Selective quoting and cherry picking at it's best. If that's your 'hot take' out of that massive article about 'protecting democracy' then you really are fried. Can I call you a name here or will you need a box of tissues and complain to other posters? How's that civil war you predicted panning out? I think we can safely say that the US presidential election was just as honest and open as elections in North Korea, Venezuela, Russia, Zimbabwe, Belarus where there have been no findings of any corruption by their courts and no evidence presented to prove any corruption or electoral fraud.
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Burztur
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+xAs if there was any doubt: "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information,....."They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it"... .....They got States to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding.... https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/So the election was NOT rigged.. it was "fortified" and democracy was "protected". Why would the mainstream press like Time admit to such a conspiracy? :)
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Muz
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+xAs if there was any doubt: "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information,....."They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it"... .....They got States to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding.... https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/So the election was NOT rigged.. it was "fortified" and democracy was "protected". Hahahahahahaha. Keep digging champ. Selective quoting and cherry picking at it's best. If that's your 'hot take' out of that massive article about 'protecting democracy' then you really are fried. Can I call you a name here or will you need a box of tissues and complain to other posters? How's that civil war you predicted panning out?
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Enzo Bearzot
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As if there was any doubt: "a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information,....."They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it"... .....They got States to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding.... https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/So the election was NOT rigged.. it was "fortified" and democracy was "protected".
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+xIt was shit policy even back then but this is a deflection from the real criticism that was that the Trump administration was separating children from their parents. complete garbage. The government did realize last year that it lost track of 1,475 migrant children it had placed with sponsors in the United States, according to testimony before a Senate subcommittee last month. But those children had arrived alone at the Southwest border — without their parents. Most of them are from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, and were fleeing drug cartels, gang violence and domestic abuse, according to government data. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/us/trump-immigrant-children-lost.htmlthis stuff is easy enough to fact check for yourself so why don't you do that before parroting falseheads and lies? I use duckduckgo though, who knows what Big Tech that has now infested the Biden administration with ex-employees will show you in its search. there has never in history been more widespread co-ordinated media lies and misinformation against a sitting President nor is there more now in favour of the current one, in history, which makes your earlier disappointment at democracy failing due to the media somewhat hypocritcal. From your article 🙄 If a mother or father is with a child when apprehended for the crime of illegal entry, the minor must be taken from the parent. Hundreds of immigrant children have already been separated from their parents at the border since October, and the new policy will result in a steep increase. “If you don’t want your child separated, then don’t bring them across the border illegally,” Mr. Sessions said. I agree, it's very easy to fact check and you shouldn't parrot falsehoods and lies. Firstly the reality is the "lost" separated kids came alone escaping from Mexican criminals and without ID's The other thing that you've ignored is that under US law when parents are apprehended for breaking the law the kids are moved from their care and placed in the care of others for their own safety and well being beause many of the arrested adults are also drug smugglers and violent criminals. It would be a dereliction care to the kids to have them in the same place as people like that. Thats why they are put in foster care. So yeah don't come in illegally using your kids as a shield and to garner sympathy and they won't be put in the care of others Its hilarious the New York Times set out to fact check Trumps claims against he Democrats and in the process fact-checked and exposed their own lies. Its even funnier that you close your eyes to it and in the same breath whinge about Democracy being destroyed by the media-but only when your side loses but not when it wins, of course. Hypocrite.
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+x+xIt was shit policy even back then but this is a deflection from the real criticism that was that the Trump administration was separating children from their parents. complete garbage. The government did realize last year that it lost track of 1,475 migrant children it had placed with sponsors in the United States, according to testimony before a Senate subcommittee last month. But those children had arrived alone at the Southwest border — without their parents. Most of them are from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, and were fleeing drug cartels, gang violence and domestic abuse, according to government data. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/us/trump-immigrant-children-lost.htmlthis stuff is easy enough to fact check for yourself so why don't you do that before parroting falseheads and lies? I use duckduckgo though, who knows what Big Tech that has now infested the Biden administration with ex-employees will show you in its search. there has never in history been more widespread co-ordinated media lies and misinformation against a sitting President nor is there more now in favour of the current one, in history, which makes your earlier disappointment at democracy failing due to the media somewhat hypocritcal. From your article 🙄 If a mother or father is with a child when apprehended for the crime of illegal entry, the minor must be taken from the parent. Hundreds of immigrant children have already been separated from their parents at the border since October, and the new policy will result in a steep increase. “If you don’t want your child separated, then don’t bring them across the border illegally,” Mr. Sessions said. I agree, it's very easy to fact check and you shouldn't parrot falsehoods and lies.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+xIt was shit policy even back then but this is a deflection from the real criticism that was that the Trump administration was separating children from their parents. complete garbage. The government did realize last year that it lost track of 1,475 migrant children it had placed with sponsors in the United States, according to testimony before a Senate subcommittee last month. But those children had arrived alone at the Southwest border — without their parents. Most of them are from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, and were fleeing drug cartels, gang violence and domestic abuse, according to government data. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/us/trump-immigrant-children-lost.htmlthis stuff is easy enough to fact check for yourself so why don't you do that before parroting falseheads and lies? I use duckduckgo though, who knows what Big Tech that has now infested the Biden administration with ex-employees will show you in its search. there has never in history been more widespread co-ordinated media lies and misinformation against a sitting President nor is there more now in favour of the current one, in history, which makes your earlier disappointment at democracy failing due to the media somewhat hypocritcal.
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mcjules
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It was shit policy even back then but this is a deflection from the real criticism that was that the Trump administration was separating children from their parents.
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MarkfromCroydon
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Looks like Joe's putting kids back in cages again like he did back in 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wIj_lU1JF0
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Captain Haddock
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+x+xSo- An election that was controversial (to say the least) saw a bumbling fool elevated to the highest role of office in the free world. And history shows that George W. Bush went on to implement The Patriot Act and send the USA to another big, costly military campaign in the Middle East in the wake of 9/11and do all the kinds of things you'd expect an establishment crony to do- and not necessarily in the best interests of the American people. You'd think people would've learned their lesson the first time, but evidently not. Can't wait to see what Joe W. Biden and his team have in store for the USA under the guise of it being for "the greater good"... Uh, What? Is this one of those "Donald Trump - The first president in history to not send the USA to war" things? No it isn't. More one of those "hang on, this feels strangely familiar" things...
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Carlito
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+x+x+x+x+xhow do you lot see the Republican party going? Back to your normal conservative, or will Trump hold sway and we'll see a take over from his side of politics? Big split coming, traditional actual conservatives will want to break away from Trumpism but have to figure out when the time is right after the base simmers down. But hey, thanks to Gerrymandering, voter suppression etc etc Republicans will still get elected. -PB Yeah makes you grateful that we have the AEC here. How a bastion of 'democracy' that is so keen to export their form of it everywhere doesn't have a similar institution is beyond comprehension? Don't worry. Donald Trump is now hard at work pushing for electoral reform in the USA. If he gets what he wants, the USA will have elections similar to ours. Can you source me an article on Trump's electoral reform? Also, why didn't he do it while in office? You know he'll say Google it.
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Burztur
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+x+x+x+xhow do you lot see the Republican party going? Back to your normal conservative, or will Trump hold sway and we'll see a take over from his side of politics? Big split coming, traditional actual conservatives will want to break away from Trumpism but have to figure out when the time is right after the base simmers down. But hey, thanks to Gerrymandering, voter suppression etc etc Republicans will still get elected. -PB Yeah makes you grateful that we have the AEC here. How a bastion of 'democracy' that is so keen to export their form of it everywhere doesn't have a similar institution is beyond comprehension? Don't worry. Donald Trump is now hard at work pushing for electoral reform in the USA. If he gets what he wants, the USA will have elections similar to ours. Can you source me an article on Trump's electoral reform? Also, why didn't he do it while in office?
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Carlito
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+x+x+x+xhow do you lot see the Republican party going? Back to your normal conservative, or will Trump hold sway and we'll see a take over from his side of politics? Big split coming, traditional actual conservatives will want to break away from Trumpism but have to figure out when the time is right after the base simmers down. But hey, thanks to Gerrymandering, voter suppression etc etc Republicans will still get elected. -PB Yeah makes you grateful that we have the AEC here. How a bastion of 'democracy' that is so keen to export their form of it everywhere doesn't have a similar institution is beyond comprehension? Don't worry. Donald Trump is now hard at work pushing for electoral reform in the USA. If he gets what he wants, the USA will have elections similar to ours. 🤣🤣 jeez . Trump loses and all his syncopats have lost their collective minds
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MarkfromCroydon
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+x+x+xhow do you lot see the Republican party going? Back to your normal conservative, or will Trump hold sway and we'll see a take over from his side of politics? Big split coming, traditional actual conservatives will want to break away from Trumpism but have to figure out when the time is right after the base simmers down. But hey, thanks to Gerrymandering, voter suppression etc etc Republicans will still get elected. -PB Yeah makes you grateful that we have the AEC here. How a bastion of 'democracy' that is so keen to export their form of it everywhere doesn't have a similar institution is beyond comprehension? Don't worry. Donald Trump is now hard at work pushing for electoral reform in the USA. If he gets what he wants, the USA will have elections similar to ours.
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Muz
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+x+xhow do you lot see the Republican party going? Back to your normal conservative, or will Trump hold sway and we'll see a take over from his side of politics? Big split coming, traditional actual conservatives will want to break away from Trumpism but have to figure out when the time is right after the base simmers down. But hey, thanks to Gerrymandering, voter suppression etc etc Republicans will still get elected. -PB Yeah makes you grateful that we have the AEC here. How a bastion of 'democracy' that is so keen to export their form of it everywhere doesn't have a similar institution is beyond comprehension?
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+xhow do you lot see the Republican party going? Back to your normal conservative, or will Trump hold sway and we'll see a take over from his side of politics? Big split coming, traditional actual conservatives will want to break away from Trumpism but have to figure out when the time is right after the base simmers down. But hey, thanks to Gerrymandering, voter suppression etc etc Republicans will still get elected. -PB
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Muz
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How's your wall going? And Obamacare? Repeal and replace remember? Promises made, promises kept. Lol.
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Muz
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Imagine trying to set a minimum wage you could possibly live off?! Biden is literally worse than Hitler. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/20/us-is-closer-than-ever-to-a-15-minimum-wage-with-biden-presidency-.html
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+xSo- An election that was controversial (to say the least) saw a bumbling fool elevated to the highest role of office in the free world. And history shows that George W. Bush went on to implement The Patriot Act and send the USA to another big, costly military campaign in the Middle East in the wake of 9/11and do all the kinds of things you'd expect an establishment crony to do- and not necessarily in the best interests of the American people. You'd think people would've learned their lesson the first time, but evidently not. Can't wait to see what Joe W. Biden and his team have in store for the USA under the guise of it being for "the greater good"... Uh, What? Is this one of those "Donald Trump - The first president in history to not send the USA to war" things?
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MarkfromCroydon
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Sadly, this is probably the most accurate summary of the first couple of weeks of Biden Presidency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaxMQlT93Fs
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Captain Haddock
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+x+xMe watching the press briefing this morning: wow so good to be back to normal me 5 minutes later: well this is kinda boring :D Yep. In the last week, whenever there's been something on the news (TV or radio) about " Today the US president said/did...", I've found myself preparing to mentally roll my eyes, only to then remember that sanity has been restored and they're no longer being led by a bumbling idiot. Ha. I see what you did here.
There are only two intellectually honest debate tactics: (a) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts, or (b) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic. All other debate tactics are intellectually dishonest - John T. Reed
The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...
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Captain Haddock
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So- An election that was controversial (to say the least) saw a bumbling fool elevated to the highest role of office in the free world. And history shows that George W. Bush went on to implement The Patriot Act and send the USA to another big, costly military campaign in the Middle East in the wake of 9/11and do all the kinds of things you'd expect an establishment crony to do- and not necessarily in the best interests of the American people. You'd think people would've learned their lesson the first time, but evidently not. Can't wait to see what Joe W. Biden and his team have in store for the USA under the guise of it being for "the greater good"...
There are only two intellectually honest debate tactics: (a) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts, or (b) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic. All other debate tactics are intellectually dishonest - John T. Reed
The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...
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Carlito
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+xhow do you lot see the Republican party going? Back to your normal conservative, or will Trump hold sway and we'll see a take over from his side of politics? The repubs are so far gone. The tea party movement and trumps base saw to that. The people in the party are so scared of his base that they aren't willing to convict him .
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how do you lot see the Republican party going? Back to your normal conservative, or will Trump hold sway and we'll see a take over from his side of politics?
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+xMe watching the press briefing this morning: wow so good to be back to normal me 5 minutes later: well this is kinda boring :D Yep. In the last week, whenever there's been something on the news (TV or radio) about " Today the US president said/did...", I've found myself preparing to mentally roll my eyes, only to then remember that sanity has been restored and they're no longer being led by a bumbling idiot.
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Sorry Enzo - but that second one was just a person suffering from mental illness. there was no political motive - left or right.
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Carlito
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+x+x+xMe watching the press briefing this morning: wow so good to be back to normal me 5 minutes later: well this is kinda boring :D Yeah there was definitely that car crash-esque cant look away vibe with Trump. T'was the greatest reality show on earth. Twas the Truman show turned up 1000000
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+x+xMe watching the press briefing this morning: wow so good to be back to normal me 5 minutes later: well this is kinda boring :D Yeah there was definitely that car crash-esque cant look away vibe with Trump. T'was the greatest reality show on earth.
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