Anyone notice the poor crowds in the three A league matches since the the final of the Asian Cup. Granted one was a Monday night game and the other involved a team going through hell ATM, but one would think the success of winning the Asian Cup would have had a positive effect on attendances.

Anyone notice the poor crowds in the three A league matches since the the final of the Asian Cup. Granted one was a Monday night game and the other involved a team going through hell ATM, but one would think the success of winning the Asian Cup would have had a positive effect on attendances.

What is "Proactive football"?

Australian football is polarized into old soccer new football camps

There isn't often a lot of nuance in these camps. The socceroos aren't producing Harry kewell type players because of the a league. The national curriculum is to blame for not winning games at the 2014 World Cup. Proactive football is unaustralian

Like it or not proactive football, the Ntc, the a league and the upcoming Roos are all part of a cultural monolith that a large part of the football community treat like it's an enemy. Being against one of these usually means being against all of them.

This all makes me wonder if we win the asian cup on home soil in front of tens of thousands playing proactive football with a lot of young players what the effect of that will be.

Will the cause some to come round and comply with the Ntc? Attend a league games? Not get upset with a coach that temporarily goes backwards to play a superior style?

Look no further than Perth- if glory could regularly attract this exact group you'd be looking at sellouts every week.

Far too many British people gave football away once they arrive in this country. Pre-A League it was as if they did not want to associate with other nationalities and opted instead to follow the local games rules or rugby. The A League has to some extent bucked this trend, but there's still thousands of old British football followers who would be a welcome addition to our game.

Everyone likes a winner.

However, in cricket I know a number who've completely given up following their former English counties and England in cricket, but still only follow EPL football.](*,)

Here's another example of how you don't "get" football, decentric.

Why is it so amazing that English expats would follow lower level English football? They do it for cultural, traditional and family reasons. If there is a family tradition of following Millwall and they come from south London, why should they drop the tradition whilst they happen to live in Australia? It is also a reaction against the big money shenanigans that dominate the top end of the Premier League.

Australian clubs don't have the same deep seated tradition. The A League clubs are mostly only ten years old; many earlier clubs were ethnic and thus had limited appeal; the old district clubs only had very limited support.

Nobody is obliged to follow Australian football because they happen to live in Australia; we live in an age of globalisation. It is an age that no longer needs new migrants to help the game grow- it is growing nicely without that.

Edited by localstar: 28/1/2015 07:53:55 PM

There is a lot of stuff mentioned in this thread but one of the key things to note is the old soccer vs new football point.

I was a support of old soccer I guess. growing up in Campbelltown wi didn't have a local team to follow so I used to go to many NSL clubs. my first games was wollongong wolves vs Gipsland falcons team featuring Archie Thompson and the old brandon park. (Archie scored from the penalty and give the local fans the finger. proving he was an arsehole then and and arse hole today, but not the point) I also remember some great games at Edensor park and Marconi stadium. and was there with my father when parramatta power played their first game.

I saw chipperfield and emerton and Joel Griffiths and mile sterjovski before they were stars (and archie) and it was a great league.But it died.

For all the good of the league it died and never got the support it needed. The NSL was dying for many years. When Wollongong played their grandfinal at Parramatta stadium with 10k people (2001 I believe. Back to back championships) this should have showed everyone that this league was not going to work and was going broke.

We need to remember the good of the NSL with the bad and try and learn from it to make he a-league better. people who won't go to a-league games just because it's not the NSL well then u don't support football.

We need to stop this conversation of which one was better and start aiming to make what we have better. because we have the opportunity to learn from our alpha test. The NSL. and make this league the best possible league.

Just ask the Wanderers what happened when they won ACL.:lol:

The knockout on effect is the Arabs will want us out

It is pretty amazing there is a camp against them.](*,)

However, I've seen the anti- FFA NC naysayers play some awful football at NPL level.

Also, the tenets of the FFA NC are based on pretty sound ones. Those that Germany, Holland, Spain, France and Belgium follow.

It is hard to argue against their unmitigated success.


One top FFA coach educator suggested to me that some people just don't like change.

Australian football is polarized into old soccer new football camps

There isn't often a lot of nuance in these camps. The socceroos aren't producing Harry kewell type players because of the a league. The national curriculum is to blame for not winning games at the 2014 World Cup. Proactive football is unaustralian

Like it or not proactive football, the Ntc, the a league and the upcoming Roos are all part of a cultural monolith that a large part of the football community treat like it's an enemy. Being against one of these usually means being against all of them.

This all makes me wonder if we win the asian cup on home soil in front of tens of thousands playing proactive football with a lot of young players what the effect of that will be.

Will the cause some to come round and comply with the Ntc? Attend a league games? Not get upset with a coach that temporarily goes backwards to play a superior style?

Just ask the Wanderers what happened when they won ACL.:lol:

This is a massive issue.](*,)

I started a thread on the issue of Eurosnobism that lasted for ages.

I know almost the majority of people involved in playing, coaching or administration in football are Eurosnobs, even at NPL level.

Then there is another group of English expats, who even follow Championship and Lower League teams in England, whilst they support Australia in cricket. I just cannot get them interested in Australian football at HAL and national level.](*,)

They don' t denigrate Aussie football, but just don't have any interest.

The socceroos aren't producing Harry kewell type players because of the a league.

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Support the A-League? Not that many of them are against the HAL, the bigger core of Australian football supporters who don't follow the HAL are general Eurosnobs who stay up at 3am to watch the likes of Liverpool but won't watch the HAL because it is "crap".

The last legacy is a demonstration of how far the game still remains from the mainstream. The Asian Cup has been largely pigeon-holed by media outlets into a box labelled "curiosity". News Limited gave good coverage but isolated the news into a special Asian Cup section of that website and didn't let Asian Cup stories bleed out into their normal sports reporting, which remained focussed on the tennis and cricket. I saw an ABC news presenter joke about whether or not she was allowed to use the term "soccer". Football has such a long way to go before it is accepted is a mainstream Aussie sport. So much more needs to be done to show people how football has always been part of the Australian story. Eg. how many people would know who Reg Date is?

The other major legacy will be the creation of a playing style that is truly Australian. The performance against Oman was one of the greatest displays of attacking football that I have ever seen an Australian team play, and it is a style that will be understandable to mainstream Australian, who like teams that go full on attack.

But the development system of 'old soccer' is still better. Having youth academies at every club from U6 to seniors and engaging with society on a ground level is really what 'new football' lacks.