What are your thoughts????

Should Indonesia show some leniency and compassion and allow these 2 the opportunity to serve their penalty in Australian jail???

States shouldn't be killing anyone.

Murdering murderers makes the murderers murdering the murders murderers.

This.

It's such an archaic and inhumane punishment, anyone who does't understand why there's such an opposition to these executions is a fucking moron.

Edited by fredsta: 5/3/2015 05:48:25 PM

How about the country who enforces and endorses the practice??

I'm 50/50.

-PB

I'd heard.

Whats the punishment for that in Indonesia these days ?

No government should have the right to take someone's life.

I am of the belief that there are some crimes that deserve the death penalty.

In no particular order:

1. Rapist (In particular, offences committed to children. Anyone who touches a defenseless kid does not deserve to walk this earth)
2. Murder (I am an eye for an eye kind of guy when it comes to murder)
3. Terrorist's

There should also be mandatory life sentences for the following:

1. Manslaughter
2. Drug Dealing/Trafficking
3. Kidnapping

Sentencing in Australia is way too soft for my liking.

100/0 I believe.

-PB

That might sound semi-plausible (to some) until you execute someone who turns out later to be innocent.

There are few acts more despicable on this planet than "state sanctioned" killing. Shameful.

It's not a proper argument for the death penalty if it doesn't have an incorrectly used apostrophe.

The most hilarious thing is how they had hundreds of soldiers with armoured vehicles around the prisoners, and fighter jets buzzing the journalists covering the story. Not even pretending that this isn't a petulant, reactionary act of nationalism designed to strengthen a new President's domestic political base. Fucking childish.

No ones raised it yet so, what are people's thoughts on the fact the AFP tipped the Indonesian authorities off when they could have arrested them when they got back here?

I disagree with execution, McJules hit the nail on the head.

However, they knew the punishment and now every bleeding heart is bitching and moaning for leniency saying 'they're rehabilitated.' They probably are, but the punishment isn't for rehabilitation, it's punishment for a crime committed.

Should they die, no. Do they deserve to die? Probably not. Am I sympathetic. No. They knew what they were doing and took made a high stakes gamble which didn't pay off.

9 less tax dependents?

I believe that their actions may be actionable, knowing that Indonesia carries the death penalty.

I hope that whoever was responsible gets raked over the coals big time.

There are many instances around the world where the punishment does not fit the crime.

Some examples would be:

Women being stoned for adultery
Iran publicly hanging homosexuals
drug smugglers being shot

We also have a very primitive view of how bad a crime drug smuggling is. Drug smuggling is a victimless crime. Drug addicts are responsible for their own drug use and addiction. It is a complete fallacy to suggest that smugglers are "responsible for the deaths of drug addicts"

Its akin to suggesting that an insider trader is responsible for the suicide of one of their "victims." Drug smuggling is about as bad a crime as insider trading.

Now, before everyone loses their mind, its so bleedingly obvious that drug problems in society are not created by drug dealers and drug smugglers but instead are created by social problems such as child abuse, neglect, personality disorders, poverty, disadvantage etc. Maybe Indonesia needs to be educated as to what the real cause of drug problems are.

Also, Joko Widodo is such a complete imbecile. Surely he should recognise that it would be a good idea to keep Australia on side rather than this sideshow that this execution is becoming and a show of pathetic nationalism.

There should be a royal commission.

Agree with all of this.

I have always thought that rotting away in a cell for the rest of your life would be a far greater penalty than death. When you think about it, the death penalty is more of a punishment for the friends and family of the criminal than it is for the criminal themselves.

I'm pretty certain anything our government could have done would have been futile but some of the chest beating from elected officials here probably hasn't helped and has helped Widodo domestically.

What do you expect? The majority of Indonesians are dumb island peasants.

Their laws are still their laws and were known to the Bali 9 before they were caught.

If people don't like Indonesian law, it's best not to break it.

In Australia we also have laws but the other way around. Where wilfully stupid crimes like burglary are met with fines/suspended sentences.

In Iran homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. Adultery is also a crime punishable by death in Somalia and other countries. In North korea, your family will be captured and sent to evil labour camps if you leave the country. Some countries laws are so unacceptable that I don't respect them.

Also, as far as I'm aware, Indonesia are planning on executing a man who is currently psychotic secondary to schizophrenia. He is unable to grasp what is about to happen to him. If this is true, this has to be one of the most ghastly, unforgivable acts imaginable.

They probably think some of ours are too (not that I disagree with your examples).

However, does our contempt for their laws mean these two should be excused from being punished by the laws of the land?

I mean if I was a gay man i'd stay away from Uganda et al. If I was a drug smuggler i'd stay away from Singapore/Thailand/Malaysia/Indonesia. It's really not rocket science. Yet our idiot politicians are holding candlelight vigils for these guys.

Does being a gay in Uganda provide you with financial opportunity?

Can you be roped into being a gay by coercion and manipulation?

Stop making stupid comparisons that make you look fucking retarded.

I disagree with the notion that the prison system is there to solely punish those who commit crimes, (yes they must pay their debt to society) but prisons should be seen as a tool that deters others from committing crimes, to rehabilitate offenders and in cases where rehabilitation is not possible the removal of individuals who are a danger to our society.

Yes these men were incredibly stupid and even if they weren't 'rehabilitated' they shouldn't be executed, as others have said no State should have the right to take someone's life. It saddens me that we are even having this discussion in 2015.