The FFA's recent NCIP hypocrisy


The FFA's recent NCIP hypocrisy

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Benjamin wrote:
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No one seems to mind that on the same day as the Shamrock Rovers game, the double header included a team called University Azzurri? :-k


University Azzurri were established before the NCIP, so the rules in question don't apply to them.

I don't get it, then why are the NSL teams all affected by this then? Surely all of them were established before the NCIP? Obviously something here I'm missing.
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tsf wrote:
Lol at the try hard pimply ultra in the MaFFiA shirt. Sees 'UefaMafia' on UltrasTifo and next thing you know...


what makes you any different to sledging him on the net?

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f1worldchamp wrote:
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No one seems to mind that on the same day as the Shamrock Rovers game, the double header included a team called University Azzurri? :-k


University Azzurri were established before the NCIP, so the rules in question don't apply to them.

I don't get it, then why are the NSL teams all affected by this then? Surely all of them were established before the NCIP? Obviously something here I'm missing.


refer to last season and the court battle between melbourne knights and ffa atm.

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f1worldchamp wrote:
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No one seems to mind that on the same day as the Shamrock Rovers game, the double header included a team called University Azzurri? :-k


University Azzurri were established before the NCIP, so the rules in question don't apply to them.

I don't get it, then why are the NSL teams all affected by this then? Surely all of them were established before the NCIP? Obviously something here I'm missing.


They were affected by a policy of David Hill which forced them to change their names.
The names of Sydney or Melbourne Croatia, Preston Macedonia and South Melbourne Hellas are clearly ethnic.
Sydney Olympic are equivalent to the Shamrock name.
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19-SU-58 wrote:
tsf wrote:
Lol at the try hard pimply ultra in the MaFFiA shirt. Sees 'UefaMafia' on UltrasTifo and next thing you know...


what makes you any different to sledging him on the net?

keyboard warrior :lol:


You can't say keyboard warrior when someone is giving shit to a couple of pre-pubescent pencil necks :lol: Nobody would be scared to say something to their face.


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f1worldchamp wrote:
I don't get it, then why are the NSL teams all affected by this then? Surely all of them were established before the NCIP? Obviously something here I'm missing.


The issue with the NCIP is that it is a racist policy because it inhibits expression of ethnicity. The policy is so vaguely written that the concern is the FFA will use it selectively and target "unfavourable" ethnicities. The recent incident with the SRDFC shows that this is indeed the case.

Regardless on whether the team based itself on an already established team, the iconography has ethnic connotations. While Greek backed clubs moving into FFV competitions this year have been forced to change their identity, this Irish club was not only given the all clear but promoted by the FFA using irish motifs.
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The policy is so vaguely written that the concern is the FFA will use it selectively and target "unfavourable" clubs that flout the rules and have no respect for the advancement of football. The recent incident with the Melbourne Croatia shows that this is indeed the case.


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2.2 Subject to clause 2.3, a logo or emblem: (a) of a New Club; and
(b) of an Existing Club upon a change of logo or emblem by that Club may only contain or display:
(c) words or letters in English; and/or
http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/dct/ffa-dtc-performgroup-eu-west-1/FFA%20National%20Club%20Identity%20Policy%20(Final%2020150820)_1pvwoq7dqosg01clkvypw3pwlu.pdf


This new Wellington logo is clearly a breach 

Wellington Phoenix embrace spirit of the taniwha in new logo

The Phoenix's new logo unveiled on the Wellington waterfront.ROBERT KITCHIN/STUFFThe Phoenix's new logo unveiled on the Wellington waterfront.Wellington Phoenix have unveiled a new logo as the club enters its second decade in the A-League.The club's new logo, unveiled in Wellington on Thursday morning, includes the Māori inscription 'E Rere Te Keo' and is a representation of the Phoenix-like spirit of the taniwha.In a release before the unveiling, the club said its new symbol celebrates "New Zealand's genuine commitment to biculturalism, but also anchoring itself in a uniquely Wellington story that provides clear guidelines as to the culture and identity of the club moving forward."Phoenix assistant coach Rado Vidosic speaks at the unveiling of the team's new logo.HAGEN HOPKINS/ GETTY IMAGESPhoenix assistant coach Rado Vidosic speaks at the unveiling of the team's new logo.READ MORE
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The new tohu (logo) takes inspiration from Ngake and embraces the local historical narrative by celebrating the past and acknowledging the role of local tangata whenua (people of the land).The Phoenix's new logo emblazoned across the side of a team car.ROBERT KITCHIN/STUFFThe Phoenix's new logo emblazoned across the side of a team car.The central concepts are mana (respect); kaha (strength); whanau and iwi (family and tribe). These central concepts are important as the Phoenix honour the past, acknowledge the present and create their future.The inclusion of Māori culture is a start to celebrating the diverse cultures associated with the Phoenix, the club said.The new logo comes just a day after the club announced the signing of former Newcastle Jets centre-back Daniel Mullen on a one-year deal.The one-cap Socceroo brings a wealth of experience with more than 100 starts across eight seasons in the Hyundai A-League, as well as extensive Asian Champions League experience, firstly as part of Adelaide United's trailblazing campaign in 2008, before winning the competition with the Western Sydney Wanderers in 2014.

Wellington Phoenix embrace spirit of the taniwha in new logo | Stuff.co.nz
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More annoyed about Frank Jewish mates being allowed to keep "Maccabi Hakoah" in the cup but Shamrock Rovers in Darwin aren't allowed to just play under their actual name.

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melbourne_terrace - 10 Aug 2017 7:29 AM
More annoyed about Frank Jewish mates being allowed to keep "Maccabi Hakoah" in the cup but Shamrock Rovers in Darwin aren't allowed to just play under their actual name.

That was wrong imo too. If they had an Gaelic motto on it though, that would be different. 

The rule is clear. English only. That means no Maori. 
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scott21 - 10 Aug 2017 7:34 AM
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That was wrong imo too. If they had an Gaelic motto on it though, that would be different. 

The rule is clear. English only. That means no Maori. 

This is a fair point.


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Why did Wellington bother? What a shit logo. 


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This is all because Frank Lowy betrayed the Football Family by not implementing the Crawford Report Recommendations.
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scott21 - 10 Aug 2017 7:34 AM
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That was wrong imo too. If they had an Gaelic motto on it though, that would be different. 

The rule is clear. English only. That means no Maori. 

(c) words or letters in English; and/or
(d) references to the broader geographic area in which the Club is located; and/or

You dropped off the key point (d), which imo means this logo/emblem is ok.
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Looking forward to Aboriginal team daring to use their own language 

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Clearly and unambiguously breaches section 2.3 of the policy, but hey, FFA are happy with it so it gets the o.k. I can see why people get upset with the double standards.
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Can they just write in the clause "These only apply to effnik teams" so we can be done with it already 
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paulc - 2 Apr 2015 12:48 PM
Little difference between Maffia and bitters.

Steve Lowy should have the guts to implement the Crawford Report not like his father.

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scott21 - 10 Aug 2017 7:34 AM
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That was wrong imo too. If they had an Gaelic motto on it though, that would be different. 

The rule is clear. English only. That means no Maori. 

Under FFA rules my jesuit catholic school (with latin motto) would be barred too
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scott21 - 30 Aug 2017 7:11 PM

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Hollandia confirmed. Rip pauly
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Hollandia confirmed. Rip pauly

with the heritage game and now this one cant help but feel Lions will buy them back soon and they will end up playing in Richlands within a decade. 
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bohemia - 10 Aug 2017 6:30 PM
scott21 - 10 Aug 2017 7:34 AM

Under FFA rules my jesuit catholic school (with latin motto) would be barred too

I always wondered about the Latin mottos that many clubs, schools etc. use. Strictly under the NCIP you couldn't use them (well at least register a new club or change the logo under it to include them nowadays).
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sanchez - 10 Aug 2017 8:45 AM
scott21 - 10 Aug 2017 7:34 AM

(c) words or letters in English; and/or
(d) references to the broader geographic area in which the Club is located; and/or

You dropped off the key point (d), which imo means this logo/emblem is ok.

Yeah I think the "OR" was included to allow for indigenous languages ... I guess this begs the question then if an area has a large immigrant population than could their language be a reference to the area??

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In regards to the OP I note that the NCIP which came into effect in June 2014 and that the Shamrock Rovers Darwin FC were established in 2014 (so not sure whether registered before or after NCIP came into effect).

The club is apparently a "sister" club of the Shamrock Rovers (Dublin) ... so not sure how that sits under the NCIP??

I note also the team has now changed their name to simply Darwin Rovers FC.

I wonder how a team with Red Star 'Geographic Area' FC would go?? A red star can have communist meaning, but could also have no ideology attached too, or could be a 'sister club' to either the French or Serb clubs. As far as I can tell from the NCIP the symbol / name has to have a clear meaning to be prohibited, so you'd have to argue a red star would be fine (unless Caltex, New Zealand, etc. are classified as displaying red stars for communist reasons).
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