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99 Problems wrote:rusty wrote:Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers. Fast and Furious 7 has already grossed over $400 million. Would dispel your dud theory that the poor movie companies need protecting. The point stands that making content cheap and accessible (eg Netflix) won't defeat internet piracy, when something can be obtained immediately and for free.
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99 Problems wrote:notorganic wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol. I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand. Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement. Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM At Southbank in Brisbane you get your ticket, large drink an popcorn combo for $15. Unreal value compared to other places. Yeah my local cinemas went to $8.50 for adult tickets and $6.50 for kids. Awesome move by them. They charge through the roof for food and drinks, but they openly say they won't stop you bringing your own in. So pack the lollies from Woolies, grab a $1 frozen coke from HJs/Maccas, and you're looking at a movie with treats for less than $15. It also helps that I have two friends working at the place, so get free tickets anyway :lol::lol::lol:
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rusty wrote:Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers. Yeah, nah. I would rather wait for the blu ray release than watch a low bit rate cam source.
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rusty wrote:Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers. Fast and Furious 7 has already grossed over $400 million. Would dispel your dud theory that the poor movie companies need protecting.
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99 Problems
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notorganic wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol. I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand. Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement. Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM At Southbank in Brisbane you get your ticket, large drink an popcorn combo for $15. Unreal value compared to other places.
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Definitely related to meta data laws One of the main reasons they were introduced. Terrorism was just to get you to agree to them. ...And if you think this is a Liberal or Labor thing then think again... You're both guilty of this breach of civil liberty muppets
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notorganic
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macktheknife wrote:Quote:This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol. I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand. Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement. Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM
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Quote:This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol.
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rusty
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Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers.
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pv4 wrote:notorganic wrote:pv4 wrote:Great movie though. Kinda fitting that it's about a citizen smuggling a product into a country where it was available but too expensive. :lol: Lol.
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notorganic wrote:pv4 wrote:Great movie though. Kinda fitting that it's about a citizen smuggling a product into a country where it was available but too expensive. :lol:
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pv4 wrote:Great movie though. Kinda fitting that it's about a citizen smuggling a product into a country where it was available but too expensive.
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Great movie though.
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I downloaded DBC just after moving into my current place and later found out our internet connection hadn't been set up at that stage, we'd been leaching off the previous tenants who hadn't cancelled their account yet. It'll be interesting to see whether or not they get a letter sent here.
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RedshirtWilly wrote:rusty wrote:notorganic wrote:This is why you always protect your torrents and general online behaviour. Luddite judges who don't understand technology aren't going to protect you from outlandish lawsuits like this. I find it staggering people who think something that ought be consumed for free is going to be commercially beneficial for content producers. Have you consumed how utterly asinine that line of thinking is? That the best way to raise revenue is to impose no cost? I can't wait till Ferrari starts giving away their cars for free, their customer base would increase by 1,000,000% overnight. Except making comparisons between high class cars and downloading a $20 movie is just as asinine. Think of it similar to music. A band today practically gives their music away for you to use for your own entertainment. You love it so much that you become a follower of them. They come to your home town and you pay to see them live They release merchandise and you pay to wear it They release "bootleg" or "sample" copies of their CD's and you pay to download it They release it on vinyl and you pay to hear it as it was naturally recorded They cross-promote other bands and side projects that you may enjoy Netflix has done a fantastic job in charging us not a lot for access to unlimited television. But it's not the movie or the TV show we are buying, it's the Netflix brand. Make the consumer love your company by giving away the content they needed to hook them in and they will be your bitch forever. As for this story, there is so much Napster to this. Hopefully it just sees more ways of sharing files like music and movies without having to spend half your wage to consume it I'm not sure what your point is. The music band today can do all of those things and still charge for individual songs or CD's. Not everyone who uses the music for their own entertainment buys band merchandise or goes to concerts, their consumption represents a loss for the content producers. I can understand if you're a nobody band who's trying to get a foot in the door, electing to give away their music for free, because it will enable them to build exposure which may generate revenue streams, but if you're an established band then you have a legal and commercial right to charge for products you create. If you can't afford such products then perhaps you're better off not buying them rather than stealing. Of course Netflix has been available in the US for a very long time but illegal downloads are still off the charts, so the notion that cheap (a relative term), accessible content is going to end piracy is false.
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notorganic wrote:damonzzzz wrote:WaMackie wrote:So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy. Lol. While the Metadata laws suck they have nothing to do with this case. It's all related. Thats what Walter White said: "there are so many layers involving this, Skyler." Im not sure who the Nick Nailer (thank you for smoking) is of this whole scenario is, is it the pro-downloader or anti-downloader playing devil's advocate?
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damonzzzz wrote:WaMackie wrote:So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy. Lol. While the Metadata laws suck they have nothing to do with this case. It's all related.
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 That is all
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WaMackie wrote:So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy. Lol. While the Metadata laws suck they have nothing to do with this case.
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paulbagzFC wrote:notorganic wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:notorganic wrote:I think all the FTA channels have online catch-up VOD services. Ten has an Xbox app, not sure about the others. SBS has a PS4 app and its average at best. Yeah, their xbox app isn't too flash either. iview is far superior, imo. Literally the only time I ever watch FTA these days is if I'm watching ABC24 when I'm having breakfast or sit down while my daughter is watching ABC4kids or the occasional Friday night A-League on SBS. COME @ ME SHAUN THE SHEEP. -PB Top film.
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So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy.
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Not to be a conspiracy theorist - but this is a case of the big telcos wanting to take out the likes of iinet, dodo, tpg in order to monopolise the competition
Well, telstra should have been more thoughtful back in the day when they privatised to permit competition in the telecommunications industry
What next? Attack people who use skype instead of calling / use international telephone lines?
Having said that, with regards to this exercise, it could merely be an exercise in revenue gaining as the movie flopped in the box office, and they want to recoup earnings lost to those who actually did consume it in another form
Anyway Im all for the next step of entertainment consumption, where a show, movie or song is consumed as a serum by injecting it into your brain as a stimulus instead! * I think we already have things like that :-k
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Some more interesting thoughts on the outcome; - Will this affect Telstra/Optus in making it easier to go after their customers now? - Will other media become the target of such campaigns? (music, e-books, software) -PB
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rusty wrote:notorganic wrote:This is why you always protect your torrents and general online behaviour. Luddite judges who don't understand technology aren't going to protect you from outlandish lawsuits like this. I find it staggering people who think something that ought be consumed for free is going to be commercially beneficial for content producers. Have you consumed how utterly asinine that line of thinking is? That the best way to raise revenue is to impose no cost? I can't wait till Ferrari starts giving away their cars for free, their customer base would increase by 1,000,000% overnight. Except making comparisons between high class cars and downloading a $20 movie is just as asinine. Think of it similar to music. A band today practically gives their music away for you to use for your own entertainment. You love it so much that you become a follower of them. They come to your home town and you pay to see them live They release merchandise and you pay to wear it They release "bootleg" or "sample" copies of their CD's and you pay to download it They release it on vinyl and you pay to hear it as it was naturally recorded They cross-promote other bands and side projects that you may enjoy Netflix has done a fantastic job in charging us not a lot for access to unlimited television. But it's not the movie or the TV show we are buying, it's the Netflix brand. Make the consumer love your company by giving away the content they needed to hook them in and they will be your bitch forever. As for this story, there is so much Napster to this. Hopefully it just sees more ways of sharing files like music and movies without having to spend half your wage to consume it
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Wtf lol? "But Anny Slater, of Slaters Intellectual Property Lawyers, said the plaintiff would have picked iiNet ahead of Telstra as the "best chance" of success, possibly after studying the 2012 landmark case brought against the Perth-based telco by the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft. iiNet won that case, but among the documents exposed during the process were case notes that pointed to higher legal hurdles at Telstra and its omission from that legal action." Like what? -PB Edited by paulbagzFC: 8/4/2015 06:37:47 AM
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paulbagzFC wrote:switters wrote:How big can these fines get? The million dollar question. And how are the to be judged as reasonable? -PB The judge is going to review the letters they send out before they're sent. Quote:"Letters issued by the rights holders will be reviewed by the Judge to ensure they are not threatening - providing a significant safeguard for our customers. As a result, the ruling will put a major dent in the process and business case behind speculative invoicing, since the financial returns could be outweighed by the costs of legal action." Justice Perram supported this view with his comment, " It may well be that for single instances of infringement the damages are likely to be modest and quite possibly limited to the forgone licence fee that would have been paid, had the film been lawfully downloaded". http://www.iinet.net.au/about/mediacentre/releases/2015-04-07-iinet-fights-for-customers-rights-v-dallas-buyers-club.html Basically they're going to prevent them from sending out threatening letters saying "pay us way more than we deserve or else we'll sue". The damages they are entitled to from one customer might even be the $25 they would have gotten from a DVD sale.
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paulbagzFC wrote:notorganic wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:notorganic wrote:I think all the FTA channels have online catch-up VOD services. Ten has an Xbox app, not sure about the others. SBS has a PS4 app and its average at best. Yeah, their xbox app isn't too flash either. iview is far superior, imo. Literally the only time I ever watch FTA these days is if I'm watching ABC24 when I'm having breakfast or sit down while my daughter is watching ABC4kids or the occasional Friday night A-League on SBS. COME @ ME SHAUN THE SHEEP. -PB I feel deep waves of shame every time I sit down and I'm watching something on ABC4 that I remember seeing before.
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