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Quote:A still from Dallas Buyer's Club, which was illegally downloaded by thousands of Australians. Source: Dallas Buyers Club LLC. The Federal Court has handed down a crushing ruling to iiNet and several other Australian internet service providers, forcing them to hand over details of customers who have allegedly downloaded the Dallas Buyers Club film illegally via BitTorrent. In a landmark day for piracy in Australia Federal Court Justice Nye Perram today ordered several providers, including iiNet, to disclose the identities of users which Dallas Buyers Club LLC says downloaded and then shared the film online. The watershed ruling, handed down this afternoon in Sydney’s Federal Court, is expected to leave the way clear for other firms to take similar action and sue thousands of people for copyright breaches. iiNet is not the only ISP affected by the ruling. Australian ISPs Dodo, Internode, Amnet Broadband, Adam Internet and Wideband Networks will also be required to hand over customer details. “I will order the ISPs to divulge the names and physical addresses of the customers associated in their records with each of the 4,726 IP addresses,” Justice Perram said in court in Sydney today. “I will impose upon the applicants a condition that this information only be used for the purposes of recovering compensation for the infringements and is not otherwise to be disclosed without the leave of this Court. “I will also impose a condition on the applicants that they are to submit to me a draft of any letter they propose to send to account holders associated with the IP addresses which have been identified.” Dallas Buyers Club LLC had argued against the need to gain prior court approval of its letters. Today's ruling means about 4700 Australian internet account holders, who have each been deemed to have 'shared' the film and therefore infringed copyright, will likely soon receive legal letters from Dallas Buyers Club LLC, threatening legal action unless compensation is paid. iiNet had attempted to challenge the request arguing that if successful it would leave to speculative invoicing, in which anyone alleged to have infringed on copyright are sent letters of demand before any copyright has actually been proven. "We are concerned that our customers will be unfairly targeted to settle any claims out of court using [this] practice," iiNet said in blog post last year. Justice Perram said in his judgement that speculative invoicing was not necessarily legal in Australia. "Whether speculative invoicing is a lawful practice in Australia is not necessarily an easy matter to assess," Perram said. "Representing to a consumer that they have a liability which they do not may well be misleading and deceptive conduct within the meaning of s 18 of the Australian Consumer Law and it may be equally misleading to represent to someone that their potential liability is much higher than it could ever realistically be. There may also be something to be said for the idea that speculative invoicing might be a species of unconscionable conduct within one or other of s 21 of the Australian Consumer Law or s 12CB of the Australian Securities and Investments Commission Act 2001 (Cth). "In the former, however, it would be necessary to identify a supply of goods or services which may be difficult. In the latter, it would be necessary to identify a financial service which may also not be without difficulty." iiNet has also been ordered to pay the cost of the applications. The BitTorrent protocol allows users to share files over the internet in a process of communal uploads and downloads of many small parts of a larger file. The system means no one individual is responsible for uploading and downloading illegally pirated content. Acting on behalf of Dallas Buyers Club, Ian Pike SC had previously said it was “the first case of its kind in Australia”, but that the case was “not dealing with an isolated matter”. Pointing to a growing amount of case law in the US pursuing BitTorrent pirates, Mr Pike said the issue would affect “every other motion picture to be released”. DBC used German-based company Maverikeye UG to identify the IP addresses it claims have been illegally downloading the film since mid-2013 - even before its release at the cinema. Intellectual Property expert and associate professor at the ANU College of Law Matthew Rimmer said Dallas Buyers Club LLC had deliberately chosen to pursue iiNet rather than bigger players like Telstra and Optus, though the exact reason behind this was unclear. "There's a lot of speculation around the choice of defendants," he told Technology Spectator. "Dallas Buyers Club has been shown on Foxtel, and there are some connections between Foxtel and Telstra, for example. So Telstra has always been a bit different from other ISPs, but I'm not so sure about Optus. iiNet has been targeted for some time now, including against Village Roadshow, and there's some debate around whether iiNet will be such a hardy defender of its customers in the future, given the debate around its future ownership. "To me iiNet have been a lot more quiet of late, when previously they've been very vocal. There's interesting choices there, if you're just concerned about going after the ISPs with the most money you'd go to Telstra and Optus, but it seems they've focused on some of their rivals. "Telstra in particular has ties to copyright owners in a number of ways. It's hard to tell what's really going on, but it's indeed striking that iiNet has been targeted again." Associate Professor Rimmer also said the case was part of a global litigation strategy at play from copyright holders; the film's distributor Voltage Pictures has also chased copyright infringers in the United States and Europe. He also expected there to be concerns now around whether letters will be sent to people who obviously hadn't downloaded the film. "Just how accurate is the dragnet?," he said. "We don't really know at this stage. Historically, in the United States the record industry really faltered when it chased online downloaders, there were some egregious misidentification cases where people were wrongly targeted. It may be the same here." The decision today comes one day before internet service providers, through the Communications Alliance, are due to submit a draft copyright infringement code to the Australian Communications and Media Authority for approval. Communications minister Malcolm Turnbull also introduced a bill last month that would allow copyright holders to apply for court orders forcing ISPs to block torrent websites like the Pirate Bay. As Technology Spectator reported last month the bill would allow rights holders to seek a Federal Court order requiring ISPs to block overseas piracy websites by taking "reasonable steps to disable access,” effectively making them inaccessible to Australian users. For the order to be successful the court must determine the site or "online location" must be outside Australia, it must be seen that it "infringes, or facilitates an infringement of, the copyright" and that must be the "primary purpose" of the site. Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull introduced the bill, revealing it would cost telcos an estimated $130,825 a year to implement. “Existing copyright law is not adequate to deter a specific type of infringing activity, which is the facilitation of the online infringement of copyright owners’ content ... by online operators,” Mr Turnbull said in the lower house. “There are a number of foreign-based online locations that disseminate large amounts of infringing content to Australian internet users.” Read the full judgement here. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/iinet-loses-dallas-buyers-club-landmark-piracy-case/story-e6frg90f-1227294508657 -PB
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Can't honestly remember if I ever downloaded this lol. -PB
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This is absolutely huge. Like... Very, very big.
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This is why you always protect your torrents and general online behaviour. Luddite judges who don't understand technology aren't going to protect you from outlandish lawsuits like this.
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Oh dear This is one step closer to an Orwellian draconian regime
Mind you, it was a happy time in the golden era of piracy, it was just not going to last
Now, I is watching the block and masterchef now, big brother!
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Naughty, naughty. You'll get caughty. [youtube]HmZm8vNHBSU[/youtube]
WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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How big can these fines get?
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notorganic wrote:This is why you always protect your torrents and general online behaviour. Luddite judges who don't understand technology aren't going to protect you from outlandish lawsuits like this. I find it staggering people who think something that ought be consumed for free is going to be commercially beneficial for content producers. Have you consumed how utterly asinine that line of thinking is? That the best way to raise revenue is to impose no cost? I can't wait till Ferrari starts giving away their cars for free, their customer base would increase by 1,000,000% overnight.
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rusty wrote:people who think something that ought be consumed for free is going to be commercially beneficial for content producers. [citation needed]
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Signed up for Stan to get a good deal on a chromecast through DSE. Am really impressed with the quality of the content. Combined with a Netflix sub the desire to pirate will be significantly reduced. The reasons why: 1. The price point is reasonable 2. It's way more convenient (and I have had rigs that will auto download content as soon as it's available) 3. The suggested shows feature and the sheer fact there is a library of content there means you discover stuff you may never have before 4. Great range of kids stuff There's still a gap there as not all content is available but the message is, get the distribution and pricing model right and piracy will be eliminated.
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A lot of questions to come out of this that I'd be interested in seeing; - Will an appeal be lodged? - How to prove who downloaded what in regards to things like shared internet connections (multi-tenant) or internet cafes - How is the figure going to be calculated for anything like an invoice or damages - Why only the certain ISPs and not others like Telstra or Optus? - How does the Attorney General's office comment on this ruling? -PB
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switters wrote:How big can these fines get? The million dollar question. And how are the to be judged as reasonable? -PB
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I'm that bloke who pays for stuff (Y)
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Eastern Glory wrote:I'm that bloke who pays for stuff (Y) With the advance of Video On Demand and globally acceptable pricing availability, most media consumers are the blokes (and blokettes) that pay for stuff now.
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paulbagzFC wrote:- Why only the certain ISPs and not others like Telstra or Optus? Because Telstra and Optus do it for free.
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notorganic wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:I'm that bloke who pays for stuff (Y) With the advance of Video On Demand and globally acceptable pricing availability, most media consumers are the blokes (and blokettes) that pay for stuff now. Yep. I'm loving these On Demand systems. I never really got into downloading, and have only ever streamed 2 series, so to have stuff like SBS on demand, ABC Iview, Netflix and Quickflix is pretty sweet. Someone mentioned to me that CH7 now have something as well?
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I think all the FTA channels have online catch-up VOD services. Ten has an Xbox app, not sure about the others.
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Eastern Glory wrote:notorganic wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:I'm that bloke who pays for stuff (Y) With the advance of Video On Demand and globally acceptable pricing availability, most media consumers are the blokes (and blokettes) that pay for stuff now. Yep. I'm loving these On Demand systems. I never really got into downloading, and have only ever streamed 2 series, so to have stuff like SBS on demand, ABC Iview, Netflix and Quickflix is pretty sweet. Someone mentioned to me that CH7 now have something as well? You sound like me 5 years ago. I would buy cds etc and mates would say why dont you download. I thought i was doing the honest thing. But then my balls dropped which I suspect will happen to you when you realise how much money you waste.
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notorganic wrote:I think all the FTA channels have online catch-up VOD services. Ten has an Xbox app, not sure about the others. SBS has a PS4 app and its average at best.
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TheSelectFew wrote:notorganic wrote:I think all the FTA channels have online catch-up VOD services. Ten has an Xbox app, not sure about the others. SBS has a PS4 app and its average at best. Yeah, their xbox app isn't too flash either. iview is far superior, imo. Literally the only time I ever watch FTA these days is if I'm watching ABC24 when I'm having breakfast or sit down while my daughter is watching ABC4kids or the occasional Friday night A-League on SBS.
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notorganic wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:notorganic wrote:I think all the FTA channels have online catch-up VOD services. Ten has an Xbox app, not sure about the others. SBS has a PS4 app and its average at best. Yeah, their xbox app isn't too flash either. iview is far superior, imo. Literally the only time I ever watch FTA these days is if I'm watching ABC24 when I'm having breakfast or sit down while my daughter is watching ABC4kids or the occasional Friday night A-League on SBS. COME @ ME SHAUN THE SHEEP. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:notorganic wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:notorganic wrote:I think all the FTA channels have online catch-up VOD services. Ten has an Xbox app, not sure about the others. SBS has a PS4 app and its average at best. Yeah, their xbox app isn't too flash either. iview is far superior, imo. Literally the only time I ever watch FTA these days is if I'm watching ABC24 when I'm having breakfast or sit down while my daughter is watching ABC4kids or the occasional Friday night A-League on SBS. COME @ ME SHAUN THE SHEEP. -PB I feel deep waves of shame every time I sit down and I'm watching something on ABC4 that I remember seeing before.
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paulbagzFC wrote:switters wrote:How big can these fines get? The million dollar question. And how are the to be judged as reasonable? -PB The judge is going to review the letters they send out before they're sent. Quote:"Letters issued by the rights holders will be reviewed by the Judge to ensure they are not threatening - providing a significant safeguard for our customers. As a result, the ruling will put a major dent in the process and business case behind speculative invoicing, since the financial returns could be outweighed by the costs of legal action." Justice Perram supported this view with his comment, " It may well be that for single instances of infringement the damages are likely to be modest and quite possibly limited to the forgone licence fee that would have been paid, had the film been lawfully downloaded". http://www.iinet.net.au/about/mediacentre/releases/2015-04-07-iinet-fights-for-customers-rights-v-dallas-buyers-club.html Basically they're going to prevent them from sending out threatening letters saying "pay us way more than we deserve or else we'll sue". The damages they are entitled to from one customer might even be the $25 they would have gotten from a DVD sale.
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Wtf lol? "But Anny Slater, of Slaters Intellectual Property Lawyers, said the plaintiff would have picked iiNet ahead of Telstra as the "best chance" of success, possibly after studying the 2012 landmark case brought against the Perth-based telco by the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft. iiNet won that case, but among the documents exposed during the process were case notes that pointed to higher legal hurdles at Telstra and its omission from that legal action." Like what? -PB Edited by paulbagzFC: 8/4/2015 06:37:47 AM
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rusty wrote:notorganic wrote:This is why you always protect your torrents and general online behaviour. Luddite judges who don't understand technology aren't going to protect you from outlandish lawsuits like this. I find it staggering people who think something that ought be consumed for free is going to be commercially beneficial for content producers. Have you consumed how utterly asinine that line of thinking is? That the best way to raise revenue is to impose no cost? I can't wait till Ferrari starts giving away their cars for free, their customer base would increase by 1,000,000% overnight. Except making comparisons between high class cars and downloading a $20 movie is just as asinine. Think of it similar to music. A band today practically gives their music away for you to use for your own entertainment. You love it so much that you become a follower of them. They come to your home town and you pay to see them live They release merchandise and you pay to wear it They release "bootleg" or "sample" copies of their CD's and you pay to download it They release it on vinyl and you pay to hear it as it was naturally recorded They cross-promote other bands and side projects that you may enjoy Netflix has done a fantastic job in charging us not a lot for access to unlimited television. But it's not the movie or the TV show we are buying, it's the Netflix brand. Make the consumer love your company by giving away the content they needed to hook them in and they will be your bitch forever. As for this story, there is so much Napster to this. Hopefully it just sees more ways of sharing files like music and movies without having to spend half your wage to consume it
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Some more interesting thoughts on the outcome; - Will this affect Telstra/Optus in making it easier to go after their customers now? - Will other media become the target of such campaigns? (music, e-books, software) -PB
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Not to be a conspiracy theorist - but this is a case of the big telcos wanting to take out the likes of iinet, dodo, tpg in order to monopolise the competition
Well, telstra should have been more thoughtful back in the day when they privatised to permit competition in the telecommunications industry
What next? Attack people who use skype instead of calling / use international telephone lines?
Having said that, with regards to this exercise, it could merely be an exercise in revenue gaining as the movie flopped in the box office, and they want to recoup earnings lost to those who actually did consume it in another form
Anyway Im all for the next step of entertainment consumption, where a show, movie or song is consumed as a serum by injecting it into your brain as a stimulus instead! * I think we already have things like that :-k
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So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy.
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paulbagzFC wrote:notorganic wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:notorganic wrote:I think all the FTA channels have online catch-up VOD services. Ten has an Xbox app, not sure about the others. SBS has a PS4 app and its average at best. Yeah, their xbox app isn't too flash either. iview is far superior, imo. Literally the only time I ever watch FTA these days is if I'm watching ABC24 when I'm having breakfast or sit down while my daughter is watching ABC4kids or the occasional Friday night A-League on SBS. COME @ ME SHAUN THE SHEEP. -PB Top film.
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WaMackie wrote:So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy. Lol. While the Metadata laws suck they have nothing to do with this case.
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damonzzzz wrote:WaMackie wrote:So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy. Lol. While the Metadata laws suck they have nothing to do with this case. It's all related.
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notorganic wrote:damonzzzz wrote:WaMackie wrote:So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy. Lol. While the Metadata laws suck they have nothing to do with this case. It's all related. Thats what Walter White said: "there are so many layers involving this, Skyler." Im not sure who the Nick Nailer (thank you for smoking) is of this whole scenario is, is it the pro-downloader or anti-downloader playing devil's advocate?
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RedshirtWilly wrote:rusty wrote:notorganic wrote:This is why you always protect your torrents and general online behaviour. Luddite judges who don't understand technology aren't going to protect you from outlandish lawsuits like this. I find it staggering people who think something that ought be consumed for free is going to be commercially beneficial for content producers. Have you consumed how utterly asinine that line of thinking is? That the best way to raise revenue is to impose no cost? I can't wait till Ferrari starts giving away their cars for free, their customer base would increase by 1,000,000% overnight. Except making comparisons between high class cars and downloading a $20 movie is just as asinine. Think of it similar to music. A band today practically gives their music away for you to use for your own entertainment. You love it so much that you become a follower of them. They come to your home town and you pay to see them live They release merchandise and you pay to wear it They release "bootleg" or "sample" copies of their CD's and you pay to download it They release it on vinyl and you pay to hear it as it was naturally recorded They cross-promote other bands and side projects that you may enjoy Netflix has done a fantastic job in charging us not a lot for access to unlimited television. But it's not the movie or the TV show we are buying, it's the Netflix brand. Make the consumer love your company by giving away the content they needed to hook them in and they will be your bitch forever. As for this story, there is so much Napster to this. Hopefully it just sees more ways of sharing files like music and movies without having to spend half your wage to consume it I'm not sure what your point is. The music band today can do all of those things and still charge for individual songs or CD's. Not everyone who uses the music for their own entertainment buys band merchandise or goes to concerts, their consumption represents a loss for the content producers. I can understand if you're a nobody band who's trying to get a foot in the door, electing to give away their music for free, because it will enable them to build exposure which may generate revenue streams, but if you're an established band then you have a legal and commercial right to charge for products you create. If you can't afford such products then perhaps you're better off not buying them rather than stealing. Of course Netflix has been available in the US for a very long time but illegal downloads are still off the charts, so the notion that cheap (a relative term), accessible content is going to end piracy is false.
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I downloaded DBC just after moving into my current place and later found out our internet connection hadn't been set up at that stage, we'd been leaching off the previous tenants who hadn't cancelled their account yet. It'll be interesting to see whether or not they get a letter sent here.
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Great movie though.
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pv4 wrote:Great movie though. Kinda fitting that it's about a citizen smuggling a product into a country where it was available but too expensive.
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notorganic wrote:pv4 wrote:Great movie though. Kinda fitting that it's about a citizen smuggling a product into a country where it was available but too expensive. :lol:
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pv4 wrote:notorganic wrote:pv4 wrote:Great movie though. Kinda fitting that it's about a citizen smuggling a product into a country where it was available but too expensive. :lol: Lol.
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Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers.
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Quote:This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol.
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macktheknife wrote:Quote:This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol. I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand. Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement. Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM
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Definitely related to meta data laws One of the main reasons they were introduced. Terrorism was just to get you to agree to them. ...And if you think this is a Liberal or Labor thing then think again... You're both guilty of this breach of civil liberty muppets
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notorganic wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol. I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand. Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement. Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM At Southbank in Brisbane you get your ticket, large drink an popcorn combo for $15. Unreal value compared to other places.
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rusty wrote:Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers. Fast and Furious 7 has already grossed over $400 million. Would dispel your dud theory that the poor movie companies need protecting.
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rusty wrote:Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers. Yeah, nah. I would rather wait for the blu ray release than watch a low bit rate cam source.
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99 Problems wrote:notorganic wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol. I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand. Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement. Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM At Southbank in Brisbane you get your ticket, large drink an popcorn combo for $15. Unreal value compared to other places. Yeah my local cinemas went to $8.50 for adult tickets and $6.50 for kids. Awesome move by them. They charge through the roof for food and drinks, but they openly say they won't stop you bringing your own in. So pack the lollies from Woolies, grab a $1 frozen coke from HJs/Maccas, and you're looking at a movie with treats for less than $15. It also helps that I have two friends working at the place, so get free tickets anyway :lol::lol::lol:
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99 Problems wrote:rusty wrote:Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers. Fast and Furious 7 has already grossed over $400 million. Would dispel your dud theory that the poor movie companies need protecting. The point stands that making content cheap and accessible (eg Netflix) won't defeat internet piracy, when something can be obtained immediately and for free.
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Griffindinho wrote:rusty wrote:Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers. Yeah, nah. I would rather wait for the blu ray release than watch a low bit rate cam source. So would I, but there are so far 2.59 million folks who disagree with us. Keep in mind this figure will only explode, when better quality version are made available for download.
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macktheknife wrote:Quote:This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol. Exactly. People aren't going to merrily wait six months for their favourite movie to come to Netflix.
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notorganic wrote:
I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.
Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.
Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM
Sure it might somewhat reduce illegal downloads, but despite content being made cheap and accessible (i.e. Netflix) illegal download will continue to occur in large volumes. Your argument that cheap accessible content will bring an end to the piracy industry is plain wrong.
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rusty wrote:notorganic wrote:
I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.
Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.
Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM
Sure it might somewhat reduce illegal downloads, but despite content being made cheap and accessible (i.e. Netflix) illegal download will continue to occur in large volumes. Your argument that cheap accessible content will bring an end to the piracy industry is plain wrong. Saying the same thing over and over like it's a fact does not make it a fact. The huge uptake of Netflix alone (iinet were crediting Netflix for 15% of their total bandwidth a week after Netflix Australia launched) is proof in itself that people will pay for content when it is a) affordable and b) easily accessible. It is a proven strategy that you continue to wilfully ignore. https://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130723/12235723906/two-new-reports-confirm-best-way-to-reduce-piracy-dramatically-is-to-offer-good-legal-alternatives.shtml
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ricecrackers wrote:Definitely related to meta data laws
One of the main reasons they were introduced. Terrorism was just to get you to agree to them.
...And if you think this is a Liberal or Labor thing then think again...
You're both guilty of this breach of civil liberty muppets Brilliant post.
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notorganic wrote:rusty wrote:notorganic wrote:
I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.
Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.
Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM
Sure it might somewhat reduce illegal downloads, but despite content being made cheap and accessible (i.e. Netflix) illegal download will continue to occur in large volumes. Your argument that cheap accessible content will bring an end to the piracy industry is plain wrong. Saying the same thing over and over like it's a fact does not make it a fact. The huge uptake of Netflix alone (iinet were crediting Netflix for 15% of their total bandwidth a week after Netflix Australia launched) is proof in itself that people will pay for content when it is a) affordable and b) easily accessible. It is a proven strategy that you continue to wilfully ignore. https://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130723/12235723906/two-new-reports-confirm-best-way-to-reduce-piracy-dramatically-is-to-offer-good-legal-alternatives.shtml A lot of people purchased Netflix without really understanding how shit it is. I lived in the UK a few years ago, and we had Netflix. The content is huge, and you'll never run out of things to watch, but that doesn't necessarily make it any good. OITNB and HoC are really the only "top shelf" programming they gave. I know a few people, who I admit are dim (mostly due to being 'older') who thought it would give them access to any TV show, because thats how its portrayed in the media. I agree that we are simply going to see an upturn in the use of VPNs now. IPVanish even just put an 'Australia Sale' on, cheeky bastards.
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Anyone recommend a VOD website with the best new release movie library?
Searching netflix and they have fuck all.
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roary's mane wrote:notorganic wrote:rusty wrote:notorganic wrote:
I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.
Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.
Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM
Sure it might somewhat reduce illegal downloads, but despite content being made cheap and accessible (i.e. Netflix) illegal download will continue to occur in large volumes. Your argument that cheap accessible content will bring an end to the piracy industry is plain wrong. Saying the same thing over and over like it's a fact does not make it a fact. The huge uptake of Netflix alone (iinet were crediting Netflix for 15% of their total bandwidth a week after Netflix Australia launched) is proof in itself that people will pay for content when it is a) affordable and b) easily accessible. It is a proven strategy that you continue to wilfully ignore. https://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130723/12235723906/two-new-reports-confirm-best-way-to-reduce-piracy-dramatically-is-to-offer-good-legal-alternatives.shtml A lot of people purchased Netflix without really understanding how shit it is. I lived in the UK a few years ago, and we had Netflix. The content is huge, and you'll never run out of things to watch, but that doesn't necessarily make it any good. OITNB and HoC are really the only "top shelf" programming they gave. I know a few people, who I admit are dim (mostly due to being 'older') who thought it would give them access to any TV show, because thats how its portrayed in the media. I agree that we are simply going to see an upturn in the use of VPNs now. IPVanish even just put an 'Australia Sale' on, cheeky bastards. Calling it shit is a huge overstatement.
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u4486662 wrote:Anyone recommend a VOD website with the best new release movie library?
Searching netflix and they have fuck all. Google Play is technically VOD
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u4486662 wrote:Anyone recommend a VOD website with the best new release movie library?
Searching netflix and they have fuck all. http://www.finder.com.au/movies-internet-tvThere's also this one: https://www.justwatch.com/auEdited by mcjules: 9/4/2015 10:22:26 AM
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Thanks. netflix is cheap but its rubbish. I'm only really into movies rather than TV shows.
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u4486662 wrote:Thanks. netflix is cheap but its rubbish. I'm only really into movies rather than TV shows. Give Stan a go. Free month trial and it's actually cheaper than Netflix for HD. Haven't tried Presto but it's not HD so not interested. The thing I like about Netflix is that when I use it with a VPN I can access more content. The library here is still a bit limited.
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Netflix Australia seems to have better movies than US. Canada is best for content.
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notorganic wrote:rusty wrote:notorganic wrote:
I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.
Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.
Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM
Sure it might somewhat reduce illegal downloads, but despite content being made cheap and accessible (i.e. Netflix) illegal download will continue to occur in large volumes. Your argument that cheap accessible content will bring an end to the piracy industry is plain wrong. Saying the same thing over and over like it's a fact does not make it a fact. The huge uptake of Netflix alone (iinet were crediting Netflix for 15% of their total bandwidth a week after Netflix Australia launched) is proof in itself that people will pay for content when it is a) affordable and b) easily accessible. It is a proven strategy that you continue to wilfully ignore. https://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130723/12235723906/two-new-reports-confirm-best-way-to-reduce-piracy-dramatically-is-to-offer-good-legal-alternatives.shtml I don't suppose that would have anything to do with the anti piracy laws introduced in 2009 would it?:-k http://www.ibtimes.com/sweden-internet-traffic-drops-around-40-wake-anti-piracy-law-244997
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notorganic wrote:Netflix Australia seems to have better movies than US. Canada is best for content. Yeah I've used this a couple of times to find something I really wanted to watch https://netflixaroundtheworld.com/
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The bottom line is
Basically in a capitalist society with regards to things like entertainment, in order to access superior products, it should be more exclusive to the people who want better, as opposed to the generic free stuff that is accessible to the general public.
Ie when pay tv came along, Quality programming migrated there, as part if the evolution of television. The Internet has served to be a grand disservice to things that contain 'intellectual property'. Its great the general Internet public can access a film like Synecdoche, New York or Lars Von Trier's Melancholia, but the same action is done to access high art films such as those (a click of a mouse) or looking up cat videos on YouTube
There has to be a line drawn somewhere!
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Probably a separate thread for this... but any VPNs you guys recommend? A few of my mates use IPVanish?
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Private Internet access. Does the job for me, most reviews for it are really good. Could be some free or cheaper ones out there just as good though.
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99 Problems wrote:Private Internet access. Does the job for me, most reviews for it are really good. Could be some free or cheaper ones out there just as good though. I'm using PIA too, but really unhappy with its speed. Checking around for other options.
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roary's mane wrote:Probably a separate thread for this... but any VPNs you guys recommend? A few of my mates use IPVanish? Ideally you want something that is fast, isn't HQ'd in a "Five Eyes" nation and doesn't keep logs. https://torrentfreak.com/anonymous-vpn-service-provider-review-2015-150228/
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But they still have server in Australia? -PB
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notorganic wrote:99 Problems wrote:Private Internet access. Does the job for me, most reviews for it are really good. Could be some free or cheaper ones out there just as good though. I'm using PIA too, but really unhappy with its speed. Checking around for other options. I was struggling with speed with PIA but it has improved a lot for me in the last few months.
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99 Problems wrote:notorganic wrote:99 Problems wrote:Private Internet access. Does the job for me, most reviews for it are really good. Could be some free or cheaper ones out there just as good though. I'm using PIA too, but really unhappy with its speed. Checking around for other options. I was struggling with speed with PIA but it has improved a lot for me in the last few months. I use Express. Speeds are good but depending on how serious you are on the "privacy" side of things they might not be a good fit. The meet my criteria well enough and the odd time I need to grab a "linux distro" via BT there are plenty of servers in favourable locations.
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The thing is: the tipping point was when people had to pay for quality tv, when in the day you didnt have to.
Only movies, and plays. Because a movie looks like crap on a crt 4:3 screen :-K
Anyway, while the internet has done a great service in opening up access to knowledge and art (philosophy) and all things esoteric, which could and should have made the world better, it is the level playing field, through the clicking of a mouse, where wanting to watch high end art, is the same as watching cat videos or "leave britney alone" rants on youtube.
Monetising the internet could be the way to go to filter out the quality? Personally i dont mind paying for Synecdoche New York, vs someone's cat video. Its pretty much the equivalent as buying the newspaper vs picking up the mx newspaper at the train station
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 ^ That is all
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This is amusing. People will simply stop watching shows instead.
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Just remember In a capitalist system, the only evolution for things like entertainment to make is to make it exclusive and inaccessible to the masses
If you want something if quality/ note, youre going to have to pay for it!
Thats the only evolution in the entertainment industry!
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Condemned666 wrote: ^ That is all Shit on the Simpsons all you like, but the show has outlasted them all!
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Or don't torrent ..www.warez-bb.org
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StiflersMom wrote:Or don't torrent ..www.warez-bb.org I didn't say anything about torrenting.
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