. Those above professions

This woman has conned people who were desperate. Alternative medicines offer false hope.

Once again it's not evidence but rather just experience.

Stop treating it as such to toot your own horn.

Which is why it is anecdotal evidence and not "proper" evidence and as such needs to be noted but ultimately rejected.

Sorry, that's how science works.

The process we follow is thus:

- Dial before you dig to see approximately where it is.
- Use the wires to locate it.
- Confirm by vacuum excavation.

The wires have never let us down.

I remember a thing on a current affair where they buried water bottles and got a few blokes to try and find them.

[size=7]I can only comment on what I see.[/size]

That's why the gold standard for evidence is double, blind, randomised trials.

If it truly works then there should be no problem.

It's amusing how people always assume that personal experience is anecdotal evidence. I don't think it's evidence, just personal experience. I understand scepticism.

I've seen water pipes found with two pieces of wire. Finding deep groundwater to please the skeptics may be more difficult.

Well you've seen it so that's good enough for me.

Once again. Direct your water divining mates to the Australian skeptics to claim their prize.

Take a 10% cut if you're so confident.

There's a reason it's unclaimed.

Sorry it must be false because I didn't take a video specifically to show you how our locator can pick up PVC water pipes.

I don't really care what you think, I have watched it happen on numerous occasions.

Anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal. (And subject to confirmation bias.)

Perhaps you should direct these blokes to the Australian skeptics so they can collect a very large pot of prize money that has been unclaimed for decades?

http://www.skeptics.com.au/publications/articles/australian-skeptics-divining-test/

One thing must be made clear — dowsers on the whole are very honest folk. They believe in what they do. Unfortunately their belief is poorly placed. They CANNOT perform as they think they can. Having a string of successful wells to which one can point, proves nothing. A better test would be to ask the dowser whether he can find a DRY spot within 100 metres of a well he has dowsed. With more than 90% of the world’s land mass above reachable supplies of water, this should be quite difficult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing

http://www.undeceivingourselves.org/S-divi.htm This website shows they perform no better than chance.




Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 24/4/2015 09:43:34 AM

some alternative medicines do actually work

I have legitimately seen water divination work. Watching service locators find buried pipes that aren't on DBYD plans is a regular occurrence. I didn't buy into it until I saw it first hand.

They're not "professions" they're charlatans.

No more than a water diviner is a geologist. Run into many of those Russ?

. Those above professions

[size=7]The Whole Pantry author Belle Gibson admits she lied about having terminal cancer[/size]
April 22, 2015
Beau Donelly and Nick Toscano

Disgraced author and social media entrepreneur Belle Gibson has admitted to lying about having terminal cancer.

The Whole Pantry founder has broken her silence about the controversial story that she used to build her business almost two months after questions about her cancer claims and questionable fundraising activities were first raised.

In a magazine interview, Ms Gibson was asked if she has or ever had cancer.

"No … None of it's true," she told the Australian Women's Weekly. "I am still jumping between what I think I know and what is reality. I have lived it and I'm not really there yet."

Ms Gibson launched her global business, which included the top-rating app and cookbook, off her controversial claims that she was a young mother healing herself naturally from terminal brain cancer.

She came under fire after Fairfax Media revealed in March that she had raised money in the name of five charities that had no record of receiving a donation from her. Her story of survival was soon put under the spotlight and she admitted that multiple other cancers she claimed to have suffered from may have been based on a misdiagnosis.

The 23-year-old promised an open letter to explain all, but instead went to ground. Her private and business social media accounts were wiped clean.

In the story in The Weekly, titled "My Life-long struggle with the truth", Ms Gibson gave rambling explanations for her behaviour - including saying she was diagnosed by two health practitioners - but did not go into detail about her motivations for lying.

"I think my life has just got so many complexities around it and within it, that it's just easier to assume [I'm lying]," she says. "If I don't have an answer, then I will sort of theorise it myself and come up with one. I think that's an easy thing to often revert to if you don't know what the answer is."

Ms Gibson, who grew up on the outskirts of Brisbane, has said she is estranged from her mother and never knew her father. In the interview she claims to have had a troubled childhood.

"When I started school, my mum went, 'My daughter is grown up now'. All of a sudden I was walking to school on my own, making school lunches and cleaning the house every day," she said. "It was my responsibility to do grocery shopping, do the washing, arrange medical appointments and pick up my brother. I didn't have any toys."

Ms Gibson has faced a barrage of criticism since her friends spoke out and accused her of lying about her "inspirational" story. Her Australian and overseas publishers have pulled her new cookbook from shelves and her award-winning app is no longer available for sale.

Ms Gibson's Australian publisher, Penguin, has admitted it never fact-checked her story or asked for evidence of her illness before publishing her cookbook late last year. The app was going to be a feature on Apple's new smart watch but these plans were dumped as the tech giant moved to distance itself from its once star developer.

The Weekly has also reported accountants were winding up The Whole Pantry business and that no profit is expected to be made.

Speaking about the turbulent weeks after her fundraising activities were exposed, Ms Gibson said the backlash had been "horrible". But she said people needed to "draw a line in the sand where they still treat someone with some level of respect or humility".

In the story, to be published on Thursday, Ms Gibson said she did not want forgiveness and was speaking out because it was "the responsible thing to do".

"Above anything, I would like people to say, 'Okay, she's human. She's obviously had a big life. She's respectfully come to the table and said what she's needed to say, and now it's time for her to grow and heal."

A former friend of Ms Gibson's who first raised doubts about her story of cancer survival said she was relieved she had finally confessed to deceiving her followers.

"If she wanted to do the responsible thing she would never have done this in the first place," she said.

"I'm relieved that I don't have to carry her burden any more and try to make things right. It's not my responsibility. It was hers and it has taken her years to do the right thing.

"It's inhumane to deceive sick and vulnerable people and charities."

The Weekly said it did not pay Ms Gibson or anyone else for the interview.

Who?

What?

-PB

This is idiotic.

If you lock her up you need to lock up every acupuncturist, chiropracter, homeopath, herbalist, anti vaxxer, Bowen therapist and countless other peanuts across Australia for the misinformation they peddle every day of the week.

Despicable as she is she's no worse than any of those other clowns.



Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 23/4/2015 10:38:01 PM

This is idiotic.

If you lock her up you need to lock up every acupuncturist, chiropracter, homeopath, herbalist, anti vaxxer, Bowen therapist and countless other peanuts across Australia for the misinformation they peddle every day of the week.

Despicable as she is she's no worse than any of those other clowns.



Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 23/4/2015 10:38:01 PM

umm bit of a differemce
1. she lied about her condition
2. she failed to donate to charity when they gave her an endorsement
3. least of all she doesnt have any qualification whatsoever.
you would expect some of the natural therapist have undergone training. she had none.

whats worse is, she is now playing the victim card by saying she is being unfairlt treated due to a rough childhood.

This is idiotic.

If you lock her up you need to lock up every acupuncturist, chiropracter, homeopath, herbalist, anti vaxxer, Bowen therapist and countless other peanuts across Australia for the misinformation they peddle every day of the week.

Despicable as she is she's no worse than any of those other clowns.



Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 23/4/2015 10:38:01 PM

This is idiotic.

If you lock her up you need to lock up every acupuncturist, chiropracter, homeopath, herbalist, anti vaxxer, Bowen therapist and countless other peanuts across Australia for the misinformation they peddle every day of the week.

Despicable as she is she's no worse than any of those other clowns.



Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 23/4/2015 10:38:01 PM

Deserves permanent removal from society, or at the very least a swift kick to the head

But seriously, she should sit in a room full of the people she tricked and be forced to try and explain to them why she did it
Cunt of the highest order