Who?

What?

-PB

Deserves permanent removal from society, or at the very least a swift kick to the head

But seriously, she should sit in a room full of the people she tricked and be forced to try and explain to them why she did it
Cunt of the highest order

This is idiotic.

If you lock her up you need to lock up every acupuncturist, chiropracter, homeopath, herbalist, anti vaxxer, Bowen therapist and countless other peanuts across Australia for the misinformation they peddle every day of the week.

Despicable as she is she's no worse than any of those other clowns.



Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 23/4/2015 10:38:01 PM

People like her would not accept responsibility for the harm she's caused amongst some of the most desperate people in Oz.

umm bit of a differemce
1. she lied about her condition
2. she failed to donate to charity when they gave her an endorsement
3. least of all she doesnt have any qualification whatsoever.
you would expect some of the natural therapist have undergone training. she had none.

whats worse is, she is now playing the victim card by saying she is being unfairlt treated due to a rough childhood.

umm bit of a differemce
1. she lied about her condition
2. she failed to donate to charity when they gave her an endorsement
3. least of all she doesnt have any qualification whatsoever.
you would expect some of the natural therapist have undergone training. she had none.

whats worse is, she is now playing the victim card by saying she is being unfairlt treated due to a rough childhood.

This is idiotic.

If you lock her up you need to lock up every acupuncturist, chiropracter, homeopath, herbalist, anti vaxxer, Bowen therapist and countless other peanuts across Australia for the misinformation they peddle every day of the week.

Despicable as she is she's no worse than any of those other clowns.



Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 23/4/2015 10:38:01 PM

Anti-vaxxers would be my pick of the bunch though. They really are scum.

This sheila is a flea on an elephants arse compared to those cunce at the AVN.

She confessed she made the whole thing up. Those above professions may actually deliver tangible benefits or a least act as a placebo to achieve healing, which is scientifically proven. Cancer however, no matter how much will power, will fuck you up, and any deviation away from conventional treatments will kill you. Gibson is a rotten kunt.

Seriously comparing what she did with what chiropractors do is fucking ridiculous.

She confessed she made the whole thing up. Those above professions may actually deliver tangible benefits or a least act as a placebo to achieve healing, which is scientifically proven. Cancer however, no matter how much will power, will fuck you up, and any deviation away from conventional treatments will kill you. Gibson is a rotten kunt.

Seriously comparing what she did with what chiropractors do is fucking ridiculous.

. Those above professions

Gibson had no intention of trying to help these people

some alternative medicines do actually work

[size=7]The Whole Pantry author Belle Gibson admits she lied about having terminal cancer[/size]
April 22, 2015
Beau Donelly and Nick Toscano

Disgraced author and social media entrepreneur Belle Gibson has admitted to lying about having terminal cancer.

The Whole Pantry founder has broken her silence about the controversial story that she used to build her business almost two months after questions about her cancer claims and questionable fundraising activities were first raised.

In a magazine interview, Ms Gibson was asked if she has or ever had cancer.

"No … None of it's true," she told the Australian Women's Weekly. "I am still jumping between what I think I know and what is reality. I have lived it and I'm not really there yet."

Ms Gibson launched her global business, which included the top-rating app and cookbook, off her controversial claims that she was a young mother healing herself naturally from terminal brain cancer.

She came under fire after Fairfax Media revealed in March that she had raised money in the name of five charities that had no record of receiving a donation from her. Her story of survival was soon put under the spotlight and she admitted that multiple other cancers she claimed to have suffered from may have been based on a misdiagnosis.

The 23-year-old promised an open letter to explain all, but instead went to ground. Her private and business social media accounts were wiped clean.

In the story in The Weekly, titled "My Life-long struggle with the truth", Ms Gibson gave rambling explanations for her behaviour - including saying she was diagnosed by two health practitioners - but did not go into detail about her motivations for lying.

"I think my life has just got so many complexities around it and within it, that it's just easier to assume [I'm lying]," she says. "If I don't have an answer, then I will sort of theorise it myself and come up with one. I think that's an easy thing to often revert to if you don't know what the answer is."

Ms Gibson, who grew up on the outskirts of Brisbane, has said she is estranged from her mother and never knew her father. In the interview she claims to have had a troubled childhood.

"When I started school, my mum went, 'My daughter is grown up now'. All of a sudden I was walking to school on my own, making school lunches and cleaning the house every day," she said. "It was my responsibility to do grocery shopping, do the washing, arrange medical appointments and pick up my brother. I didn't have any toys."

Ms Gibson has faced a barrage of criticism since her friends spoke out and accused her of lying about her "inspirational" story. Her Australian and overseas publishers have pulled her new cookbook from shelves and her award-winning app is no longer available for sale.

Ms Gibson's Australian publisher, Penguin, has admitted it never fact-checked her story or asked for evidence of her illness before publishing her cookbook late last year. The app was going to be a feature on Apple's new smart watch but these plans were dumped as the tech giant moved to distance itself from its once star developer.

The Weekly has also reported accountants were winding up The Whole Pantry business and that no profit is expected to be made.

Speaking about the turbulent weeks after her fundraising activities were exposed, Ms Gibson said the backlash had been "horrible". But she said people needed to "draw a line in the sand where they still treat someone with some level of respect or humility".

In the story, to be published on Thursday, Ms Gibson said she did not want forgiveness and was speaking out because it was "the responsible thing to do".

"Above anything, I would like people to say, 'Okay, she's human. She's obviously had a big life. She's respectfully come to the table and said what she's needed to say, and now it's time for her to grow and heal."

A former friend of Ms Gibson's who first raised doubts about her story of cancer survival said she was relieved she had finally confessed to deceiving her followers.

"If she wanted to do the responsible thing she would never have done this in the first place," she said.

"I'm relieved that I don't have to carry her burden any more and try to make things right. It's not my responsibility. It was hers and it has taken her years to do the right thing.

"It's inhumane to deceive sick and vulnerable people and charities."

The Weekly said it did not pay Ms Gibson or anyone else for the interview.

Basically a charlatan and a fraud with a pretty face that claimed to have had cured her multiple terminal cancers that she never had by abandoning her doctors and not going to chemotherapy, and going on a diet that she sold a book and an app for, a portion of profits of which she also promised to donate to charities but never did.

People have died because of her.



Edited by paladisious: 24/4/2015 03:24:59 AM

This is idiotic.

If you lock her up you need to lock up every acupuncturist, chiropracter, homeopath, herbalist, anti vaxxer, Bowen therapist and countless other peanuts across Australia for the misinformation they peddle every day of the week.

Despicable as she is she's no worse than any of those other clowns.



Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 23/4/2015 10:38:01 PM

They're not "professions" they're charlatans.

No more than a water diviner is a geologist. Run into many of those Russ?

I have legitimately seen water divination work. Watching service locators find buried pipes that aren't on DBYD plans is a regular occurrence. I didn't buy into it until I saw it first hand.

Anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal. (And subject to confirmation bias.)

Perhaps you should direct these blokes to the Australian skeptics so they can collect a very large pot of prize money that has been unclaimed for decades?

http://www.skeptics.com.au/publications/articles/australian-skeptics-divining-test/

One thing must be made clear — dowsers on the whole are very honest folk. They believe in what they do. Unfortunately their belief is poorly placed. They CANNOT perform as they think they can. Having a string of successful wells to which one can point, proves nothing. A better test would be to ask the dowser whether he can find a DRY spot within 100 metres of a well he has dowsed. With more than 90% of the world’s land mass above reachable supplies of water, this should be quite difficult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing

http://www.undeceivingourselves.org/S-divi.htm This website shows they perform no better than chance.




Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 24/4/2015 09:43:34 AM

Find a peer reviewed paper here and get back to me. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/

Regards

Sorry it must be false because I didn't take a video specifically to show you how our locator can pick up PVC water pipes.

I don't really care what you think, I have watched it happen on numerous occasions.

Well you've seen it so that's good enough for me.

Once again. Direct your water divining mates to the Australian skeptics to claim their prize.

Take a 10% cut if you're so confident.

There's a reason it's unclaimed.

It's amusing how people always assume that personal experience is anecdotal evidence. I don't think it's evidence, just personal experience. I understand scepticism.

I've seen water pipes found with two pieces of wire. Finding deep groundwater to please the skeptics may be more difficult.

That's why the gold standard for evidence is double, blind, randomised trials.

If it truly works then there should be no problem.

The process we follow is thus:

- Dial before you dig to see approximately where it is.
- Use the wires to locate it.
- Confirm by vacuum excavation.

The wires have never let us down.

I remember a thing on a current affair where they buried water bottles and got a few blokes to try and find them.

[size=7]I can only comment on what I see.[/size]

Which is why it is anecdotal evidence and not "proper" evidence and as such needs to be noted but ultimately rejected.

Sorry, that's how science works.

Once again it's not evidence but rather just experience.

Stop treating it as such to toot your own horn.

You're missing the point. If you can believe something like that, and you're fairly educated, and think it's valid, is it no wonder that morons get sucked in by peanuts like this Belle Gibson shelia or anti-vaxxers or homeopaths?

There's a lot of outrage at this woman, (maybe because she's a prettty white girl) who as I have said is despicable, but every day of the week "alternative medicines" are doing major harm around the place.

Perhaps this website may enlighten you. http://whatstheharm.net/

This woman has conned people who were desperate. Alternative medicines offer false hope.

This quote pyramid is getting out of control.

Are you sure you weren't conned?

They're not "professions" they're charlatans.

No more than a water diviner is a geologist. Run into many of those Russ?

I think it's funny how you compare a con artist who lied about having cancer with jobs like chiropracto, herbalist and the local Chinese acupuncture lady. I mean how long can one draw a bow?

Because they're con artists too.

When a chiropractor or naturapath recommends alternative treatments instead of chemotherapy they are no better than this sheila. People can and do die because they see these "professionals" instead of seeking proper medical attention.

She misrepresented herself as someone who had cancer who knew something about food.

They misrepresent themselves as health care professionals.

They are far worse than her by a long shot.

Again, go here and read up on some of these wankers. www.whatstheharm.net

How come you're not feigning mock outrage at these other clowns?

Because they're con artists too.

When a chiropractor or naturapath recommends alternative treatments instead of chemotherapy they are no better than this sheila. People can and do die because they see these "professionals" instead of seeking proper medical attention.

She misrepresented herself as someone who had cancer who knew something about food.

They misrepresent themselves as health care professionals.

They are far worse than her by a long shot.

Again, go here and read up on some of these wankers. www.whatstheharm.net

How come you're not feigning mock outrage at these other clowns?

chinese medicine has been used since the dawn of time and is older than western medicine yet you compare it to belle gibson.


mate you are off the rails.

and how are you qualified to suggest alternative medicine is a scam.

i know a lot of people who say acupuncture works for them. or are you gonna call bullshit on them as well

Edited by Socawho: 24/4/2015 02:33:39 PM

they are different to say someone like pete evans whos paleo diet has been slanmed by doctors.


Edited by Socawho: 24/4/2015 02:35:00 PM

I don't think chiropractors, herbalists and the local Chinese acupuncture lady are particularly vociferous in turning people against conventional evidence based medicines. I haven't hear of that happening and I don't see why they can't co-exist. It may be difficult to establish the efficacy of such treatments because pharmaceutical companies are unwilling to pour millions of research dollars into them but that doesn't ipso facto make them bunkum. Personally never I've sought those alternative treatments but if some people derive a placebo or indeed actual benefit by trying out those treatments I'm not going to rail against something I've never tried. If those practitioners are actively telling their clients not to seek out evidence based medicine then are doing the wrong thing, but what was particularly pernicious about Belle case was she deliberately and willfully lied about having cancer, lied about curing it, and misappropriated money that was meant to charity to fund her lavish lifestyle. Those who rail against conventional medicine might just be ignorant and stupid but in the case of Belle Gibson her motives were far more pernicious, selfish and greedy and that's why her name and not the local Chinese acupuncture lady was spread across the headlines.

Did you even visit the website?

http://whatstheharm.net/acupuncture.html
http://whatstheharm.net/herbalremedies.html
http://whatstheharm.net/chiropractic.html

http://sciencebasedmedicine.org

And BTW any alternative therapist who practices without peer reviewed, double blind studies and a mountain of evidence to suggest that their therapies have some credence, and that's practically all of them, is a fucking liar.

Every day of the week people are put in harms way because of these people.

Here's chiropractors just for starters.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/chiropractors-pushing-antivaccination-line-face-crackdown-audits-20130808-2rkof.html
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/chiropractic-pediatrics-firmly-in-the-anti-vaccination-camp/
https://theconversation.com/having-a-crack-what-do-chiropractors-know-about-vaccinations-2943
http://edzardernst.com/2014/07/why-so-many-chiropractors-advise-against-immunisation/

and how are you qualified to suggest alternative medicine is a scam.

i know a lot of people who say acupuncture works for them. or are you gonna call bullshit on them as well

they are different to say someone like pete evans whos paleo diet has been slanmed by doctors.

Just a bunch of anecdotes.

Right.

You win then.

Cheers.

Go to this article here

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-21/schwager-war-against-natural-medicine/3840682

Clearly it isn't as clear cut as you want it to be. Note that one in 300 hospital admissions leads to death, I wonder what the kill rate is for herbalists and the local Chinese acupuncture lady? Probably nowhere near as high.

Also interesting to see that a third of doctors openly refer their patients for alternative treatment. Does this your mind make them as bad as Belle Gibson?

Science is great and all that but it isn't complete, nor infallible, nor impervious to commercial influence.

Go to this article here

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-21/schwager-war-against-natural-medicine/3840682

Clearly it isn't as clear cut as you want it to be. Note that one in 300 hospital admissions leads to death, I wonder what the kill rate is for herbalists and the local Chinese acupuncture lady? Probably nowhere near as high.

Also interesting to see that a third of doctors openly refer their patients for alternative treatment. Does this your mind make them as bad as Belle Gibson?

and a third would refer patients to practitioners that [size=7]they knew achieved results[/size]

Science is great and all that but it isn't complete, nor infallible, nor impervious to commercial influence.

but mumbruz conpletely missed the point when comparing it to Belle Gibson who concocted her ideas out of thin air purely for decietful reasons as opposed to practioners who invested many centuries worth of knowledge and devotion to understand what remedies can assist with ailments .

Edited by Socawho: 24/4/2015 09:22:48 PM

+1 . if chinese or alternative medicines were really that harmful i dont think it would have stood the test of time since it would be outed as been purely ineffective. sure sometimes it works ansmd sometimes it doesnt but you can say the same about chemo which doesnt guarantee a cure.
but the point is its not about choosing ine or the other. there can be hybrid solution depending on what the doctor recommends, but mumbruz conpletely missed the point when comparing it to Belle Gibson who concocted her ideas out of thin air purely for decietful reasons as opposed to practioners who invested many centuries worth of knowledge and devotion to understand what remedies can assist with ailments .


Edited by Socawho: 24/4/2015 09:22:48 PM

I agree alternative methods although not based on pharmaceutical company funded scientific evidence have been the first line of treatment, developed and refined for thousands of years, so perhaps there is some efficacy to them, although perhaps as not as much as conventional medicines.

Then publish the results Russ and be done with it.

It couldn't be simpler. PUBLISH THE RESULTS.

They can't because they don't work.

Fucking Chinese medicine is responsible for almost single handedly wiping out several dozen marvellous African mammals due to their backward arse thinking and beliefs.

I suppose it's ok to shoot up tigers, elephants, rhinos and bears and grinding up their bits because they've been doing it for hundreds of years and some old crone in a village, untouched by electricity or running water or sewerage, somehow knows more than a university educated doctor.

Pull your head out your arse.

now you have really gone off tangent😂😂😂😂

the killing of animals for medicinal use is a topic for another day.



Edited by Socawho: 24/4/2015 10:51:01 PM

100% per cent of people that die in their sleep at home don't make a recovery.

Of course people die in hospital. It's where you go when you're bloody well dying.





Nice selective quoting. "would refer to practitioners that they knew they achieved results"

That's a lot different from one third of doctors refer there patients to practitioners. (But you knew that.)



Correct, correct and correct. But it is subject to peer review, randomised double blind trials and is evidence based.

As for Ms Schwager, the author, no wonder she's writing a dissenting article, she's a friggin chiropractor.

I notice that that little fact wasn't disclosed by Ms Schwager. Nor is it disclosed on the link that says "view her full profile here".

If there's nothing to hide why is she hiding?

Here's my question to any practitioner of "alternative" therapies. If they work, and they could work, then subject them to proper scientific rigour, publish your results, get them peer reviewed and make your case.

They won't because they can't.

Clearly it isn't as clear cut as you want it to be

Now as for doctors referring their patients to practitioners that they knew would achieve results that's kind of a no brainer isn't it? You wouldn't refer someone with a bad back to a chiropractor who had a history of turning his patients into quadriplegics. The point is that GPs aren't universally against alternatives medicines, and in a third of cases refer their patients to such practitioners, naturally who would achieve results, as any sensible GP would do.

In terms of subjecting the field of alternative medicines to scientific rigour you have to remember there is hardly any research money going into the field

pharma companies aren't driven by doing research into providing better health outcomes in the community rather by r&d which can then be use to transform knowledge into treatment which are then sold to hospitals, chemists and public for profit.

I'm not overly excited about double blind, randomised trials being the only basis for medical treatment

as surely our current knowledge of whats possible is infantile and we are really just at the tip of the iceberg, as well as lacking funds to explore everything we want to know.

It's all about having an open mind and not being entirely dictated by research and studies which although may the best guide for which to find things out don't answer all our questions.

But wait......it's thousands of years old!!!!

http://www.news.com.au/national/aidan-fenton-7-vomited-and-died-after-slapping-therapy/story-fncynjr2-1227329512272

POLICE have launched an investigation into a Chinese healer after the death of a young diabetic boy who attended a “slapping therapy” workshop.

Aidan Fenton, 7, was getting treatment from the ­alternative Chinese medicine workshop at the Tasly Healthpac Centre in Hurstville when he died, the Daily Telegraph reported.

Police have spoken to a Chinese therapist Hongchi Xiao who ­advocates the use of slapping therapy — until ­patients are bruised — to cure ­illnesses and rid the body of poisons. The week- long therapy cost $1800.

Detectives are investigating whether Aidan was taken off his insulin before his death.

Mr Xiao, who hosted seminars at the workshop, left the country after being questioned by police.

It is believed Mr Xiao claimed participants in the seminar were asked to fast for three days and to undertake the slapping and stretching exercises that can prompt vomiting and dizzy spells, known as a “healing crisis”.

Aidan was among those vomiting during the seminar, the Daily Telegraph reported.

The newspaper said Aidan looked well during the ­seminar and had eaten rice but became ill on Monday evening after Mr Xiao had gone to dinner.

He was found unconscious about 9pm on Monday in his bed at the Hurstville Ritz Hotel, where the family had been staying with his parents, Geoff and Lily Fenton. Hotel staff rushed to help them after hearing screams coming from the room.

Aidan died on the way to hospital.

A line of inquiry for police is whether the “healer” ­advised the parents to take Aidan off ­insulin and encouraged alternative therapies to treat him, including massages and the slapping.

Detectives questioned Mr Xiao before he left the country and spent yesterday taking statements from witnesses.

A police spokeswoman told news.com.au this morning police were conducting inquiries on behalf of the Coroner and would not say if they were speaking to other seminar participants.

A post-mortem on the boy would need to be carried out to determine exactly what killed him.

Neighbours said the parents were too traumatised by Aidan’s death to speak about it. “All we can hear is them crying all the time ... They were such good parents, it is really hard to understand why it happened and how it happened.”

Another neighbour said Aidan was a “beautiful, really good boy”.

Mr Xiao had been in Sydney following a tour of New Zealand to promote his “Paida-Lajin” therapy, which involves slapping the body until it bruises to “unblock meridians and drive out poisons”.

He has written several books on Chinese medicine and travelled the globe spruiking his slapping therapy.

“The greater the pain and bruises while slapping means there is more poison inside the body,” he told a seminar in South Africa last year. “You can be your own doctor. We were all born with a self-­healing power but we simply ignore it and spend millions of dollars paying for medications. Nature heals, doctors are only assistants.”

However, he has been surrounded by controversy before.

In 2011, Taiwanese authorities deported Xiao and fined him $US1600 for violating medical regulations, while Chinese media reports say a liver cancer patient paid him $A40000 for treatment, only to die three months later.

Aidan’s death will be referred to the Coroner, who will determine whether there is any evidence of medical malpractice.





Edited by MUNRUBENMUZ: 1/5/2015 10:49:19 AM

Alternative medicine is used in a holistic sense, its not used to go and cure stuff its used to improve a person's quality of life
You can't go and knock alternative practices because they have no empirical evidence to cure diseases as that's not what they are for (and 9 times out of 10 aren't claimed to do so), same as how you can't just go and say that it single-handedly cured what ails you

Hey cobber do you know what they call alternative medicine that works?

Medicine.


Whaaaaat?!

this so much. My mother in law used traditional medicine in conjuction with dialysis . Her doctors suggested she keep on doing it as it does help . And her practioner said always listen to your doctor and take what ever course of medicines he prescribes.

Everyone gets a free smash or she goes to prison.

so explain this to me...and you didnt answer my question.
the product dencorub is a western treatment used for muscle aches and pain.
the product called Woodlock is an alternative chinese oil ointment used to treat the same symptoms as the above. Woodlock was invented way before dencorub
Both products contain essentially Exactly the same ingredients. So just because Dencorub is reskinned as a Western medicine it somehow makes it morr valid than Woodluck because it is westernized.
I just showed your argument to be full of holes.

you think people have to choose one or the other, where doctors can often prescribe both. you are a complete dope.

so i suppose every single doctor out there or practitioner of western medicine is 100 percent legit.

No but I'll take my chances with the 99 out of the 100 doctors than are legit over the 0 out of 100 iridoligists, reflexolgists or a homeopaths that are.