Belle Gibson?

I thought it was Mel Gibson

EDIT I've never shot up so much over a cancer sufferer, thanks! :-$

Edited by condemned666: 5/5/2015 05:48:22 PM

Ok I have to step in now.

Munrub is right.
If your GP is referring for alternative medicines then find another GP.
The only exception is acupuncture which has shown some evidence in randomised controlled trials to help with anxiety. Although the statistical significance was limited. Some GPs are now trained in acupuncture. The other forms of alternative medicines do not stack up to evidence based trials.
There was a big trial not too long ago on herbal medicines to treat menopause. None were better than placebo, most were harmless, but some caused liver disease.

Homeopathy is the greatest scam in history. It's hard to believe people can fall for what is just water. Like it's literally just water.
Most alternative therapies get away with their placebo affect and the fact that they are mostly harmless. But they do jack shit when compared to placebo.

This what you wrote on page 1.

Nowhere did I disagree with this.



One page 1 I said this.

If you lock her up you need to lock up every acupuncturist, chiropracter, homeopath, herbalist, anti vaxxer, Bowen therapist and countless other peanuts across Australia for the misinformation they peddle every day of the week.

All of these clowns do exactly what you said Belle Gibson does. They prey on people's desperation and insufficient scientific understandings.

Not only that, despite having no evidence or peer reviewed studies, they do it under a veneer of respectability such as being available in pharmacies like homeopathic remedies or being claimable from your health insurance like Bowen therapy or naturopathy.

They are far more dangerous than this silly girl.

I didn't realise you were a doctor so thanks for the insight into what goes on in a doctor's office.

i aware of what you say and dont disagree scientific studies based on medical research is overwhelmingly more reliable than alternative meds. i dont dispute that. what i do disputr is mumbruz conpletely declaring all alternative meds as quack. which is a contradiction considering GPs do find alternative meds as a good complement to some western medicine to treat symptoms.

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Whatever. You can't answer a simple question so that shows you've got no clue.

Last chance. Is it OK to kill rhinos for traditional Chinese medicine?

It's not a hard question. Just answer it.

If it works, and you'll note I said it could work, then do the studies and publish the results.

BTW hows that google search going for the peer reviewed traditional medicine efficacy going.

Make sure you put in the search terms minus anything that doesn't do better than the control group under placebo treatment.

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Yes I have heard of the placebo effect. Yes it's real.

Th OP wrote initially that this Belle Gibson sheila was a disgusting piece of work for recommending treatments that didn't work.

All I did, and this seems to be where everyone is missing the point, is say that if she's bad then all these other clowns are too.

Apparently according to Soca she's despicable because she misrepresented herself as a medical practitioner. Chinese herbalists and witchdoctors are OK though because something something mumble mumble. Oh, that's right my Aunty went once and she had a result.

Who's to say this Belle Gibson sheila didn't produce a placebo effect? And if she did does that mean Soca and everyone else that put the boot in will withdraw their scorn for her.

Probably not. They'll just use their illogical reasoning to say 1 + 1 = 3.

you do know what viagra was made for right? And it wasnt for erectile problwma either. Traditional medicine does help . Juat because you said it doesnt , doesnt mean anything. Like I said doctors recommend some paitents use it in conjunction but youbknow better than medically trained doctors right. Your arguing for the sake of arguing and trying to be holier than though whoops I forgot you also despise those who are religious as well

fuck that is one stupid analogy.

Good on you.

Perhaps I should stop posting facts and just agree with the groupthink that goes on around here just to be popular.

I notice you didn't answer my question about Chinese viagra and the fact that apparently because it's "traditional" it's OK to kill rhinos.

You and Soca are cut from the same cloth. Cast aspersions around the place, miss the point, abuse the poster rather than engage the salient points.

No I'm not.

I am saying that one person's anecdote is not evidence of anything.

If I stub my toe tonight someone, somewhere will have their cancer go into remission. Did I cause that to happen?

Damn your hated everywhere you post son.

so are you suggesting that I lied? My mother in law lied that her doctors lied ?

One person's anecdote is not a study.

Please link me a peer reviewed traditional medicine study. That'd be great.

Regulation could help to weed out unacceptable practices, said Professor Jersmann, who has co-authored an article on the issue in today's MJA Insight.

But this had to be balanced against the risk of giving tacit government support to a field that was not supported by scientific evidence gained through rigorously controlled clinical trials.

''[size=8]If research is conducted that shows it works, we'd welcome that. We're not emotionally opposed to it[/size],'' said Professor Jersmann, who wrote the article with a neurophysiologist, Marcello Costa.

Chinese medicine practitioners often argue their therapies have the virtue of a long history of accepted use. [size=8]But, Professor Jersmann said, ''the length of time is immaterial. Where is the evidence people haven't died? We want certainty whether it works or not.'[/size]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/alarm-bells-sound-on-registration-of-chinese-medicine-20120401-1w6mo.html

What the fuck are you on about? They do release studies on tradiontal medicines ffs. Even doctors recommend you use alternative therapies . You ignore my post about my mother in law. Which her doctor and her practioner suggest that she does both and her practioner saying listen to your doctor. you sir are close minded to alot of things.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/alarm-bells-sound-on-registration-of-chinese-medicine-20120401-1w6mo.html
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/bits-of-black-bear-found-in-chinese-medicine-20120412-1wwx6.html
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/chinese-medicine-proves-disastrous-for-manta-rays-20121019-27wrg.html
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/chinese-medicine-practitioner-suspended-over-pig-intestine-mixup-20150105-12hiw8.html

Perfect.

I see you refuse to return the courtesy of answering my question so I'll leave you with this from before.

Here's my question to any practitioner of "alternative" therapies. If they work, and they could work, then subject them to proper scientific rigour, publish your results, get them peer reviewed and make your case.

Thousands of years history, millions of adherents, anecdotal evidence coming out the wazoo so really it shouldn't be a problem.

Do the trials, publish the results them and be done with it.

They won't because they can't.

i dont think you appreciate the notion that if alternative medicines didnt work with the majority with most people then people wouldnt continue to use it. and just because someone is university qualified doesnt mean that they are the most reliable as well...doctors do make mistakes or a capable of negligence...but that doesnt apply in your world.

you are so off the beaten track that you would still find yourself off course on an autobahn.

im done talking with you.

Edited by Socawho: 1/5/2015 09:58:18 PM

I'm making a list of people that can't read and miss the point and you're top of the list.

The point was that 0 out of 100 iridoligists, reflexologists and homeopaths aren't legit. Not that a few qualified doctors aren't out of the 1000's that are..

Where's my African animals answer BTW?

If an Asian thinks that ground up Rhino horn is better than viagra are you OK with that?

I mean it's a "traditional" medicine that's been around for 100's if not thousands of years.

Is that OK with you or do you think that sort of bullshit should be called out.

and theres the problem right there...you think 99 out of 100 doctors are legit....oh has anyone told you there are imcompetent doctors as well?
you think we live in a black and white world. thats only the start of your delusion


Edited by Socawho: 1/5/2015 09:47:39 PM

I'm sure some of you blokes can't (or for some reason refuse to) read.

Here's what I said earlier on the page before.

It's not "me" calling bullshit on these therapies champ. It's SCIENCE !

Hey, aboriginal bush medicine has been around for 40 000 years. Are you going to go off to your local shaman when you get a tumour? Because aboriginal medicine is older it must be better than Chinese medicine based on your logic.

Just because something is 1000's of years old doesn't make it right.

There's a reason life expectancy has quadrupled in a few centuries and it's not due to fucking acupuncture and essential oils.

Once again you blokes prove you can't read and miss the point.

If you are gullible enough to believe a 23 (or 25 depending on what story you believe) year old book spruiking, app wielding sheila has to say rather than your doctor then you're a candidate for the Darwin awards.

The reason "alternative" practitioners are more dangerous than this girl is because they actually look like they have a real education, are given credibility by google mummy doctors, pharmicists who peddle their snake oil and TV shows like Oprah and ACA.

If you care so much, jump up and down about them because they present a far more insidious danger to the uneducated masses.

are you that upitiy to not try alternative medicines. yes there are some shonky ones out there but there is also shonky doctors out there too. If the chinese and asians can use traditional medicines for thousands of years than thats good enough for me .

No but I'll take my chances with the 99 out of the 100 doctors than are legit over the 0 out of 100 iridoligists, reflexolgists or a homeopaths that are.