Dribbling compilation of great players ( and how to do the techniques)


Dribbling compilation of great players ( and how to do the techniques)...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU-k-Ots3iY


I let the previous dribbling compilation of players elapse, as UEFA took a lot of them off the internet.



In this thread, there are dribbling compilations of Cruyff, Ronaldo, George Best, Thierry Henry, Zidane, Cristiano Ronaldo, Maradona, Messi, Denilson, Baggio, Robben, Iniesta.




However, I've found other sources for the same videos.




Here is Johann Cruyff.

He uses:

Shoulder feints, also known as body swerves - on the left and right using the outside of the foot, feinting one way and going the other.

Cruyff Cuts - the flashy move where he fakes to run one way, then takes it in reverse, inside of the foot behind his other front leg.

Sole of the foot dribbling.

Fabulous changes of pace.

Great speed.

Terrific acceleration.

Incredible balance, being able to ride tackles.

A few standard cuts.

He is excellent at keeping his head up with the ball at his feet, sometimes even when dribbling around players .

Push/pull or stop/start.



Little can go wrong with these moves apart from timing and distancing, with the notable exception of the Cruyff Cut. When I demonstrate it at my age, 58, it feels like my legs are going to bend.


Cruyff uses no inside and outside stopovers, or Brazilian rolls.





All this stuff is now imparted in the FFA Skills Acquisition Program.










Edited by Decentric: 12/5/2015 08:32:26 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaBvBjOJ5SI

Here is Ronaldo, from Brazil, when he was a bit slimmer.

Like Cruyff he has:

Fabulous changes of pace.

Great speed.

Terrific acceleration, but not as great as Cruyff's.

Incredible balance, being able to ride tackles.

He is excellent at keeping his head up with the ball at his feet, sometimes even when dribbling around players .



Specific techniques Ronaldo uses:

*The Brazilian elastic -This is one of the few moves I can't do consistently enough , even slowly. I can execute it about 3 times out of 10, which is not enough to coach players how to do it.

It involves pushing the ball outwards with the top part of the outside of the preferred foot, then swivelling the ball on the end of one's foot/toe and bringing it back inside with the inside of the preferred foot.

It is a Brazilian move, performed superbly by Ronaldo on frequent occasions in the video.

I had an assistant coach who could did this well, but couldn't do the much easier shoulder feint.:roll:


*Shoulder feints, also known as body swerves - on the left and right uasingthe outside of the foot , feinting one way and going the other.

*Sole of the foot dribbling.

* Reverse stepovers

* Brazilian stepovers

* Brazilian rolls - sideways or diagonal rolling over the ball with the sole of the foot.

* La Croqueta - inside to inside of the foot dribbling, alternating both feet, often at an angle of circa 45 degrees.

* Zidane 360 degree turns- when one puts their right sole of the foot on the ball to stop it, swivels the body at 360 degrees imilataneously sole of the foot dribbling the ball backwards with the other foot.

I've coached players who can do this well, but cannot do the much easier shoulder feint.:roll:



More of Ronaldo's technciques are difficult and highly technical where more can go wrong than Cruyff's. However, they are spectacular when they come off.=d>







Edited by Decentric: 1/5/2015 12:53:08 AM
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I will upload a Denilson one soon. It is a bit short though.

I'v seen one Cristiano Ronaldo video, but the footage is not clear.

If anyone else can upload some other videos od great players dribbling it would be good. There is so much available on Youtube now.:)
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Excellent.

Love the Cruyff turn. When I played more (not at a particularly high level, mind), I'd do it whenever the chance presented and it was appropriate.

I found step-overs hard to do. This may have been due to a lack of close control and technique, on my part. But it just didn't happen naturally for me. I could do them, but it would rarely happen and I've probably only done them near full pace on a handful of occasions. I'm rather pigeon-toed so I wonder if that had any impact. I was much happier trying to take as many small touches as possible, maybe doing something along the lines of La Croqueta. If you have really good control and you're moving quickly, you can suddenly sense your opponent is weaker in one area or isn't covering an angle, and you exploit and accelerate.

In this respect, I found the Cruyff turn invaluable. Because what I did have was good acceleration and change of pace. So if you wrong foot your opponent with the Cruyff turn you then have the benefit of being able to turn off your hip. I found it easy to generate a lot of power and therefore acceleration in that way. It was great fun because it made it possible to open up a heck of a lot of space.

Edited by quickflick: 1/5/2015 04:47:18 AM
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When you say you've coached players who can do this well, but not can't do the more simple shoulder feints, what does 'this' refer to? Do you mean the Zidane 360 turns?

That's encouraging because they're very tough to do. I saw Zidane interviewed and he said he never premeditated doing those. It just sort of happened on instinct. Do the players you coach do them in a premeditated fashion? I occasionally did them when I was younger and, like Zidane, I found it just happened in an instant sort of by instinct. As a matter of fact, I did one (only at like half pace) in indoor last Sunday. But it's a great move, especially when you have two opponents try and dispossess you at the same time.

Also can you possibly refer to the specific times in the video when Cruyff does his shoulder feints?
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quickflick wrote:
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When you say you've coached players who can do this well, but not can't do the more simple shoulder feints, what does 'this' refer to? Do you mean the Zidane 360 turns?


The Zidane 360 degree turns and the Brazilian Elastics are moves that some players have been able to do, but not the dead easy shoulder feint.

In the HAL players use the shoulder feint all the time in 1v1 evasion moves . It is simply dribbling with the outside of the foot. Often the body automatically feints if one shapes to do the shoulder feint by simply dribbling with the outside of the foot.

Cruyff did it a lot in his video.
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quickflick wrote:
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Also can you possibly refer to the specific times in the video when Cruyff does his shoulder feints?


In the Cruyff video, he does shoulder feint on the left wing, with his left foot , evading the defender as soon as the black and white footage appears. It is shortly after the video starts and the two teams in colour have been on show.

It is about the third or fourth caption of him playing against a team.

He prefers to shoulder feint on his right side of the body.

Good questions, Quickflick.

This is where Australian players are so weak - 1v1 attacking skills.

If one views the Aussie under 16s, who are products of SAP, they can do most of this stuff in the Ronaldo and Cruyff videos.. They are completely different players from past generations.

I coach this by breaking techniques down into compartments and slowly at first, like I was taught in karate, then increasing the speed in realistic scenarios against passive defenders, who eventually become active.

Players need to practice all the time. Some kids/adults I've coached have lost their skills, as they've not been encouraged, or built on, by subsequent coaches.





Edited by Decentric: 1/5/2015 08:42:03 AM
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quickflick wrote:
Excellent.


I found step-overs hard to do. This may have been due to a lack of close control and technique, on my part. But it just didn't happen naturally for me. I could do them, but it would rarely happen and I've probably only done them near full pace on a handful of occasions. I'm rather pigeon-toed so I wonder if that had any impact. I was much happier trying to take as many small touches as possible, maybe doing something along the lines of La Croqueta. If you have really good control and you're moving quickly, you can suddenly sense your opponent is weaker in one area or isn't covering an angle, and you exploit and accelerate.

In this respect, I found the Cruyff turn invaluable. Because what I did have was good acceleration and change of pace. So if you wrong foot your opponent with the Cruyff turn you then have the benefit of being able to turn off your hip. I found it easy to generate a lot of power and therefore acceleration in that way. It was great fun because it made it possible to open up a heck of a lot of space.

Edited by quickflick: 1/5/2015 04:47:18 AM


The Cruyff turn, I found harder to do than stepovers.

There is a brilliant Brazilian Soccer Schools video for developing complex Brazilian stopovers and rolls.

What I've observed though, is that the only moves a player needs are what Cruyff and Messi do, which are not flashy, apart from the Cruyff Turn.

As a current player do you have any views for the thread on here for players continuing to develop as seniors?





Edited by Decentric: 1/5/2015 01:28:12 PM
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The elastico is the one i have never perfected and it shits me like you wouldnt believe, the rest are pretty straight forward.

There is also a move that CR7 does quite a bit where it sort of incorporates the cruyf turn only to bring the ball the whole way around his standing led. I think ive only ever actually sucessfully used it twice
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The elastico is the one i have never perfected and it shits me like you wouldnt believe, the rest are pretty straight forward.

There is also a move that CR7 does quite a bit where it sort of incorporates the cruyf turn only to bring the ball the whole way around his standing led. I think ive only ever actually sucessfully used it twice


I've spent hours and hours practising it, but still can't do it very well.](*,)

I can do a bastardised version where I roll my foot over the top of the ball out to the side before doing the second part, but it isn't as good.

I 'm just gobsmacked that I had an assistant coach, about 20 years of age, who could't even do the simple shoulder feint, but could do a beautiful Elastico.](*,)
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Decentric wrote:
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Excellent.


I found step-overs hard to do. This may have been due to a lack of close control and technique, on my part. But it just didn't happen naturally for me. I could do them, but it would rarely happen and I've probably only done them near full pace on a handful of occasions. I'm rather pigeon-toed so I wonder if that had any impact. I was much happier trying to take as many small touches as possible, maybe doing something along the lines of La Croqueta. If you have really good control and you're moving quickly, you can suddenly sense your opponent is weaker in one area or isn't covering an angle, and you exploit and accelerate.

In this respect, I found the Cruyff turn invaluable. Because what I did have was good acceleration and change of pace. So if you wrong foot your opponent with the Cruyff turn you then have the benefit of being able to turn off your hip. I found it easy to generate a lot of power and therefore acceleration in that way. It was great fun because it made it possible to open up a heck of a lot of space.

Edited by quickflick: 1/5/2015 04:47:18 AM


The Cruyff turn, I found harder to do than stepovers.

There is a brilliant Brazilian Soccer Schools video for developing complex Brazilian stopovers and rolls.

What I've observed though, is that the only moves a player needs are what Cruyfff and Messi do, which are not flashy, apart from the Cruyff Turn.

As a current player do you have any views for the thread on here for players continuing to develop as seniors?

I've always considered the Cryuff turn to be super basic. Learned all those coever moves in under 10s and have always passed them on to teams I coach. I find they are excellent for allowing players to turn away from a defender and get their head up with the additional time and space.
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I find Brazilian stepovers, reverse stepovers and combinations of rolls, body swerves, and Matthews Cuts, , as well as flashy combinations of these, that Cristiano does so well, pretty easy to coach.

It was one string I up my bow after having to coach SAP kids who'd been under the tutelage of one of the FFA SAP curriculum writers, who is an outstanding junior and youth coach and who is very intelligent and innovative.

However, I can't do the simple Cut that I know of as I haven't been videod. It could look awful.

I had a 14 year old player in a rep side who did it beautifully in games, but him having no idea how to deconstruct it, I could not get him to show other players unless I videoed him.





Edited by Decentric: 1/5/2015 01:37:04 PM
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Eastern Glory wrote:
Decentric wrote:
quickflick wrote:
Excellent.


I found step-overs hard to do. This may have been due to a lack of close control and technique, on my part. But it just didn't happen naturally for me. I could do them, but it would rarely happen and I've probably only done them near full pace on a handful of occasions. I'm rather pigeon-toed so I wonder if that had any impact. I was much happier trying to take as many small touches as possible, maybe doing something along the lines of La Croqueta. If you have really good control and you're moving quickly, you can suddenly sense your opponent is weaker in one area or isn't covering an angle, and you exploit and accelerate.

In this respect, I found the Cruyff turn invaluable. Because what I did have was good acceleration and change of pace. So if you wrong foot your opponent with the Cruyff turn you then have the benefit of being able to turn off your hip. I found it easy to generate a lot of power and therefore acceleration in that way. It was great fun because it made it possible to open up a heck of a lot of space.

Edited by quickflick: 1/5/2015 04:47:18 AM


The Cruyff turn, I found harder to do than stepovers.

There is a brilliant Brazilian Soccer Schools video for developing complex Brazilian stopovers and rolls.

What I've observed though, is that the only moves a player needs are what Cruyfff and Messi do, which are not flashy, apart from the Cruyff Turn.

As a current player do you have any views for the thread on here for players continuing to develop as seniors?

I've always considered the Cryuff turn to be super basic. Learned all those coever moves in under 10s and have always passed them on to teams I coach. I find they are excellent for allowing players to turn away from a defender and get their head up with the additional time and space.


FFA coaches concede that the SCoerver trained kids are the best technicians.

However, in the past if they were done iin isolation, there was no game sense and relation to match scenarios for them.

The SAP is supposedly Coerver in context, where players also develop game sense.

EG, if you have those Coerver techniques, they are excellent for coaching. Combining it with the rondo exercises I sent you, makes for good coaching.:)
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Eastern Glory wrote:
Decentric wrote:
quickflick wrote:
Excellent.


I found step-overs hard to do. This may have been due to a lack of close control and technique, on my part. But it just didn't happen naturally for me. I could do them, but it would rarely happen and I've probably only done them near full pace on a handful of occasions. I'm rather pigeon-toed so I wonder if that had any impact. I was much happier trying to take as many small touches as possible, maybe doing something along the lines of La Croqueta. If you have really good control and you're moving quickly, you can suddenly sense your opponent is weaker in one area or isn't covering an angle, and you exploit and accelerate.

In this respect, I found the Cruyff turn invaluable. Because what I did have was good acceleration and change of pace. So if you wrong foot your opponent with the Cruyff turn you then have the benefit of being able to turn off your hip. I found it easy to generate a lot of power and therefore acceleration in that way. It was great fun because it made it possible to open up a heck of a lot of space.

Edited by quickflick: 1/5/2015 04:47:18 AM


The Cruyff turn, I found harder to do than stepovers.

There is a brilliant Brazilian Soccer Schools video for developing complex Brazilian stopovers and rolls.

What I've observed though, is that the only moves a player needs are what Cruyfff and Messi do, which are not flashy, apart from the Cruyff Turn.

As a current player do you have any views for the thread on here for players continuing to develop as seniors?

I've always considered the Cryuff turn to be super basic. Learned all those coever moves in under 10s and have always passed them on to teams I coach. I find they are excellent for allowing players to turn away from a defender and get their head up with the additional time and space.


Even our best players in Australia cannot ge their head up and do those Coerver techniques against defenders in match scenarios, apart from Rogic and Burns.







Edited by Decentric: 1/5/2015 01:43:24 PM
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The person I consider to be the best coach I've ever had told me that every player should have 3 different tricks in their arsenal, that they know very instictually and can execute them flawlessly. But not tricks as in to take a player one on one and nutmegs him, but rather to get a change of direction and free yourself from pressure for a brief time - similar to what EG is talking about above. And you need 3 because if you're cornered in somewhere and only use the 1, it will be predictable the next time. But 3 tricks, that each individual can choose on their own, to get a change of direction, should be imprinted in each players mind. How extravegent (sp) these tricks are is up to the individual player.

Over the last 2-3 years I have begun to rely a lot more on stop-start dribbling. It's amazing how effective it is to be running the ball, with a defender chasing you, for you to put a foot on the ball to stop it, but then instantly touch it the same direction you were going again. The defenders movement to stop running to react to the original ball stop, then face you, gives you SO much freedom to continue running as they'll need to turn around to chase you again. I've slowly been developing it into an intergral part of my game - and as I progress I become more comfortable in changing direction as I stop the ball, and it adds an incredible amount of unpredictability to my game to the point where you truly do feel you have the defender in your pocket. For a HAL-specific example of the type of dribbling I'm talking about, watch Andrew Hoole this season.


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Decentric wrote:
quickflick wrote:
Excellent.


I found step-overs hard to do. This may have been due to a lack of close control and technique, on my part. But it just didn't happen naturally for me. I could do them, but it would rarely happen and I've probably only done them near full pace on a handful of occasions. I'm rather pigeon-toed so I wonder if that had any impact. I was much happier trying to take as many small touches as possible, maybe doing something along the lines of La Croqueta. If you have really good control and you're moving quickly, you can suddenly sense your opponent is weaker in one area or isn't covering an angle, and you exploit and accelerate.

In this respect, I found the Cruyff turn invaluable. Because what I did have was good acceleration and change of pace. So if you wrong foot your opponent with the Cruyff turn you then have the benefit of being able to turn off your hip. I found it easy to generate a lot of power and therefore acceleration in that way. It was great fun because it made it possible to open up a heck of a lot of space.

Edited by quickflick: 1/5/2015 04:47:18 AM


The Cruyff turn, I found harder to do than stepovers.

There is a brilliant Brazilian Soccer Schools video for developing complex Brazilian stopovers and rolls.

What I've observed though, is that the only moves a player needs are what Cruyff and Messi do, which are not flashy, apart from the Cruyff Turn.

As a current player do you have any views for the thread on here for players continuing to develop as seniors?





Edited by Decentric: 1/5/2015 01:28:12 PM



I'm not a current player. I just play indoor these days. It's mickey mouse stuff for us. I'm considering going back to outdoor football, but commitment-wise I'm not sure. I'm 23 turning 24, so a good age to get back into it at an amateur level. The main issue is it's hard to juggle the commitment football demands, with full-time study, part-time work (which I'm between at the moment, but will be doing soon), gym commitments/goals and then the fact that I try to spend as much of the summer holidays overseas as possible.

Then if you throw in stuff like doing internships (which I'm not doing now but am being pressured into), extra study for postgrad stuff and the fact that I'm teaching myself Swedish (as I intend to go there for at least one year after my undergrad is done), it's very difficult. It's a shame because one of the happiest times of my life was when I was between the age of 14 and 16, playing around 16 hours of football a week formally, plus whatever I did on my own.

My own experience, from playing football as a teenager (and I certainly didn't play at state level), is that it can be quite difficult to translate these skills, which one might be able to do in small-sided drills, onto the pitch in real match situations. Apart from anything, in real match situations they're of secondary importance compared to first touch, passing and positioning. But you see, what I found was that, in the small-sided drills, I found that I was fairly decent on the ball in the sense that I could feint, I could do Johan Cruyff turns well, I could (sometimes) do the Zidane 360 degree turns (usually unintentionally). When I was in form I was good at taking lots of little touches, sometimes doing things like pv4 talks about, and opening up space in that way. From there, my strength was acceleration and vision (I could weight passes quite nicely, I thought). The trouble was that in match situations, I could not quite produce these skills in quite that way. Sometimes it happened, but not as often as I would have liked. I'm not sure if it was the pressure or what. The other problem was that, doing these 1 vs 1 things at a young age, or against poorly-educated opponents, was one thing. I even managed to do such things in PE class with/against guys who have subsequently become highly successful AFL players. But it felt absurdly difficult to do these 1 vs 1 things against bigger (sometimes older) guys who knew how to defend.

Plus I wasn't the most confident of players. It was weird. Some days, maybe if I felt the coach didn't have much confidence in my ability, I couldn't do these things, even at training. The same might happen if it was a really big game. Plus, my technique let me down in terms of first touch, when I was really nervous. I was never good in the air. And when I was really nervous, my passing just went out the door. So for me, it was a psychological battle as much as anything. I really wish I had sorted that out.

Because other times, when I just didn't give a shit about anything or (somehow) believed that I could do anything, I found that I was doing some really nice stuff on the ball. I felt, at such times, and this especially happened in small-sided games, that it would be so good if one of the scouts saw those games. Because that was when I was getting to the level I was capable of. But this level was not reached enough in 11 vs 11. The other thing was that in possession games, all I thought about was passing, positioning and touch, in order to maintain possession. It was nice and simple. As soon as it's 11 vs 11 and you see the ball that much less and the object is to score goals, then it became mentally tougher and the quality I provided decreased.

But this might just be me. I have known and played with some really talented footballers who can do the most remarkable things in match situations against any kind of opponent. They're not only technically and tactically very gifted, they're also always confident. Confidence is key, I think.

Edited by quickflick: 2/5/2015 12:56:35 AM
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Here are two videos of Thierry Henry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko5jBnTn9hU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxVjd7lcUp0

They're not specifically dribbling. The first is his best 25 goals for Arsenal. Obviously you see a lot of dribbling. My favourite is goal number 5 at 7:09. Staggeringly good dribbling. When his opponents chase after him, he just seems to get faster and faster. He has extra gears.

The second, which has some annoying camera angles, is of his best skills. There are some remarkable feats of dribbling in the second.

Decentric, you've mentioned how Cruyff and Messi don't rely on the (Cristiano) Ronaldo-esque kind of moves. The take lots of small touches and feints, so too did Henry, it seemed to me.

He's one of my favourite ever footballers (and I'm a Liverpool fan). He just seemed to have a really natural control of the ball. Combine that with his speed and it was some of the most aesthetically pleasing football ever played. He just oozed elegance.

Curiously, if you look at goals number 5 and number 2 (in the first video), although he's ridiculously fast and has really close control, he seems to pause and slow down for a fraction of a second as he chooses the next bit of space to exploit.
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I'll try to address some of the points/insight you have. I find it interesting to make sense of the notion that no senior Australian player (save Rogic and Burns) can do these more flashy things in match situations against defenders. It's also interesting (and very encouraging) if lots of the Australia U17s have most of these skills at their disposal. Also how important are they? I don't disagree with you that it's not really all that necessary for a player to do.

I was in Rome last year, backpacking. It was a summer night and I, along with a couple of other Aussie guys who were staying at the same hostel, had gone for a drink. A couple of English guys joined our group. One of the Aussie guys, who was probably interested in football but not that well-versed, was asking the English guy who he thought was the best footballer. I can't remember exactly how it went. But basically, the English guy probably explained that there were different types of footballers. I think he said that Cristiano Ronaldo is the most complete attacking footballer in the world (i.e. he has sublime touch, an outstanding shot, good on both feet, he has brilliant close control, all these remarkable 1 vs 1 skills, phenomenal speed and lovely vision). I agreed. I think I added that I thought Lionel Messi was the best natural footballer in the world today.

The Aussie guy then suggested something along the lines of Zlatan Ibrahimovic being the best footballer in the world. The English guy was appalled. Granted, Zlatan is amazing. I said to the Aussie guy. Zlatan is hands down the best in the world at doing overhead kicks from outside the penalty box and scoring. But often is that required in a match? The English guy then said that probably his favourite footballer ever was Paul Scholes. You rarely saw Scholes try to dribble around anybody. But his passing and positioning was so phenomenal that he opened up acres of space. He was just a very, very intelligent footballer.

So it's really a horses for courses kind of thing. I agree that doing Ronaldo-esque tricks is not always necessary. But I think they demonstrate outstanding levels of technique and ball control. If a student goes into a year eleven chemistry exam, but able to compete at the level of a year twelve, that's going to stand him in good stead.

What I found worrying in the past was that loads of Aussie kids were so appalling in 1 vs 1 situations. When I was in Paris in 2008/2009, I saw heaps of youngsters who not only had sublime touch (they'd kick the ball really high in the air and trap it perfectly), lots of them seemed to have these 1 vs 1 skills.

It's hugely encouraging if the U17s have lots of such skills. They don't necessarily need to use them a lot in match situations, but they'll be better footballers for having that ability. It also gives them more options.

I agree with pv4, that if a player has 3 good skills to get them out of trouble, that's pretty much all they need. I would also add that if a player can sprint around cones at a fast speed, while taking lots of precise, little touches, and turn this way and that, then they're going to find it much easier to master these 1 vs 1 skills. That in and of itself is a kind of skill you see in players like Messi and Henry.

We don't need to see every player able to do these remarkable tricks. But we need to see some who can do step-overs and Zidane 360 degree turns near full speed. It just adds a lot more to our repertoire.

Ideally, a team should have maybe two players who can do those extra tricks, then most of the others should be competent at feints and such like. Think about the benefit of having a player with all the tricks of Cristiano Ronaldo playing in the same team as a player as clever as Paul Scholes. Scholes distributes beautifully and Ronaldo can get past anybody and automatically opens up the game as soon as he gets the ball (so cautious are the opposition).

Looking at the next World Cup. If we have Rogic fitting in behind the strikers, that will add a lot to our game plan. He has those amazing 1 vs 1 skills. We may well also have Burns who is good in 1 vs 1. Then there's the likes of Kruse who aren't as good in 1 vs 1, but more than talented enough to cause top class opposition sides headaches. Then (and this is a big if) if somebody like Ikonomidis or Armenakas can come to the fore and also has that 1 vs 1 ability, it's going to mean we have that attacking repertoire. Throw in the distribution skills of guys like Brillante and Milligan.

It's all about having the combination of the right skills. The issue for Australian football, in the past, has been weaknesses in certain areas. Hopefully this is being fixed.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqPEpeokCg


Here is a youtube clip of the Brazilian Elastic, or Elastico.

Ronaldinho is performing it in match scenarios.

It is weird as to who can do it. A number of players I've coached, or players, who can hardly do any of what I find the easier easier evasion 1v1 techniques, can do this. They cannot necessarily execute it in match scenarios, but can individually with no player resistance. This is a move that New Signing and I find virtually impossible.

It is a brilliant evasion move. I have never seen one Australian professional player do it successfully on the pitch. It is a specific Brazilian move. A plethora of Brazilians can do it well in match scenarios, but I've seen few outside that county execute it successfully.

In the second post I've put up in this thread, Ronaldo is so good at it, he even nutmegs people with the second part of the move with the inside part of the foot .=d>










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pv4 wrote:
The person I consider to be the best coach I've ever had told me that every player should have 3 different tricks in their arsenal, that they know very instictually and can execute them flawlessly.



I'd almost simplify this to the shoulder feint, on both sides of the body.

This is also a good technique for receiving and feinting at the same time, if turning blind from the back of the pitch trying to turn and face forwards.

If someone at least has this, and this is probably the case with most HAL players, it extrapolates to a lot of different scenarios and is the basis for a lot other moves.






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Here are two videos of Thierry Henry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko5jBnTn9hU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxVjd7lcUp0

They're not specifically dribbling. The first is his best 25 goals for Arsenal. Obviously you see a lot of dribbling. My favourite is goal number 5 at 7:09. Staggeringly good dribbling. When his opponents chase after him, he just seems to get faster and faster. He has extra gears.

The second, which has some annoying camera angles, is of his best skills. There are some remarkable feats of dribbling in the second.

Decentric, you've mentioned how Cruyff and Messi don't rely on the (Cristiano) Ronaldo-esque kind of moves. The take lots of small touches and feints, so too did Henry, it seemed to me.

He's one of my favourite ever footballers (and I'm a Liverpool fan). He just seemed to have a really natural control of the ball. Combine that with his speed and it was some of the most aesthetically pleasing football ever played. He just oozed elegance.

Curiously, if you look at goals number 5 and number 2 (in the first video), although he's ridiculously fast and has really close control, he seems to pause and slow down for a fraction of a second as he chooses the next bit of space to exploit.


Cruyff and Messi take lots of small touches, true, which is probably termed part of Running With The Ball.

The feints they take are what are termed shoulder feints/body swerves.
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http://www.ehow.com/video_2360374_do-matthews-turn-soccer.html


I call this the shoulder feint, body swerve.

Many footballers viewing this will be able to do this.

The Matthews Turn or Cut is a little different. Some find this variation easier than the Shoulder Feint.

All the players one will see in the videos will do this move well. It is the basis for many other 1v1 evasion moves.
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quickflick wrote:

I'm not a current player. I just play indoor these days. It's mickey mouse stuff for us. I'm considering going back to outdoor football, but commitment-wise I'm not sure. I'm 23 turning 24, so a good age to get back into it at an amateur level.

My own experience, from playing football as a teenager (and I certainly didn't play at state level), is that it can be quite difficult to translate these skills, which one might be able to do in small-sided drills, onto the pitch in real match situations. Apart from anything, in real match situations they're of secondary importance compared to first touch, passing and positioning.


That is what was perceived in the past in Australia.

Now they are deemed to have equal importance.

Even our best players are so weak in 1v1 attacking evasion qualities, we have to have a very well thought out game plan, and very astute tactics to win matches.

FFA consider that many Asian nations are vastly superior technically to us. However, they are deemed to be behind tactically.

So few of our players can change a game, and create a chance on goal from individual brilliance, apart from the Australian Under 16s, who are products of SAP.

Also, because our players have such poor attacking 1v1 skills, our defenders are not as good as some of our opponents, at delaying, jockeying and showing when defending.

Nathan Burns, Cirio, Broich, prodably find it easier competing against Aussie HAL defenders than a lot of international opposition. This was exemplified when Burns played Germany and Macedonia. He wasn't as effective as in the HAL against defenders who probably encountered better dribblers in club football.

Nevertheless, Burns beat two German defenders in succession and forced a fingertip save from the German keeper. This is a very rare event for any Aussie payer, because we've neglected 1v1 attacking evasion skills in the past.

Even some state youth coaches I know, even decent NPL players in their careers, cannot do any 1v1 dribbling moves, so they haven't coached them.

Other than Coerver, where are these kids supposed to learn 1v1 evasion moves and practice them on the training ground against defenders over and over?

This is what SAP is doing. It is like Coerver, with game sense and applying it in game related scenarios.

I have three outstanding drills for developing 1v1 evasion skills, all learnt from decent coaches or European youth academies. They are also really hard on players in terms of conditioning.








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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68vX7Hu_c-0


Lionel Messi.

The usual excellent balance, changes of pace, incredible acceleration, with superb control, like the ball is stuck to his feet.

Most of Messi, features fast ball carrying, or running with the ball, interspersed with judicious shoulder feints, mainly on his preferred left side.

Ronaldo uses so many more techniques than Messi, but the Argentinian is probably even better in 1v1 attacking evasion moves.







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http://www.videojug.com/film/combination-ronaldinho-and-ronaldo-stepover

This is a combination of three key Brazilian moves. On may never be able to use it on the pitch in game, but it makes other moves, and any of the rolls, step overs or reverse step overs easy if done individually, seem a lot simpler.

1. It comprises a Brazilian roll with one foot.

2. A Brazilian step over with the same foot.

3. A Brazilian roll with the other foot.

4. An outside or reverse step over with the same foot.

I can do this slowly, at a moderate speed. It impresses any player of any level or ability, because it is too hard to decipher if done even at moderate speed.

However, I still cannot do the Elastico and I'm not sure about the Standard Cut.](*,)

In some videos of Cristiano Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Denilson and Ronaldo, I've seen them do the Ronaldinho or Ronaldo by themselves. Denilson also does it in a video I'll upload in this thread.

I've seen Archie do these in warm ups, but rarely in games, but breaking them into individual parts he did them a lot in his earlier years.

Dukes could do them, but didn't have the acceleration to get past opponents.



In the video the coach does what one should always do - slow it down to a very slow pace and break it into components.
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http://www.videojug.com/film/the-ronaldo-step-over?channel=sports-and-outdoors

This is the second part of the previous move in the preceding post.

This is a very intimidating move, because one rushes forwards at a defender, whilst the ball is blocked by leg and body.

What it doesn't show you in the video is that an outside of the foot cut/ shoulder feint can be used to complete the move, taking the ball away from the opponent, whilst still keeping the body in between the opponent and the ball.

The Australian under 16 players use this move in match scenarios.=d>





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Over the last 2-3 years I have begun to rely a lot more on stop-start dribbling. It's amazing how effective it is to be running the ball, with a defender chasing you, for you to put a foot on the ball to stop it, but then instantly touch it the same direction you were going again. The defenders movement to stop running to react to the original ball stop, then face you, gives you SO much freedom to continue running as they'll need to turn around to chase you again. I've slowly been developing it into an intergral part of my game - and as I progress I become more comfortable in changing direction as I stop the ball, and it adds an incredible amount of unpredictability to my game to the point where you truly do feel you have the defender in your pocket. For a HAL-specific example of the type of dribbling I'm talking about, watch Andrew Hoole this season.




Heather Garriock the Matildas player does this well.

I'm not sure of the name of the move, but the Tassie head SAP coach also imparts this move to his players. Pertinently, when I coached some of them the following year, none of them could do it, or said they had ever learnt it. ](*,)

Yet I'd seen them work on it it under the SAP coach the previous year! Adolescent hormones.:roll:

When I saw Hoole play against players his own age recently for the Aussie under 23s, he was very impressive. He may have done this move, but I cannot remember it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW8iFZy7x_w

Denilson.

He has all the general attributes that Cruyff and Messi have, like balance, speed changes, acceleration, head up whilst ball carrying, etc.

Individually he executes:

*The Ronaldo ( Brazilian Socceor Schools terminology).

This is the first move he does when he appears in the 4th clip, in a white short. close to the beginning of the video. He uses it to intimidate in a sequence of moves.


* The Ronaldo Chop - named after Cristiano Ronaldo. It is a move where one does the reverse or outside step over, then uses the inside of the other (rear) foot behind the step over foot, to play it diagonally at 45 degrees.


Denilson also uses a lot off other techniques used in Ronaldo's clip already posted. Plenty of shoulder feints/body swerves, Brazilian rolls, sole of the foot, and regular Brazilian step overs.












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quickflick wrote:
Here are two videos of Thierry Henry



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxVjd7lcUp0



The second, which has some annoying camera angles, is of his best skills. There are some remarkable feats of dribbling in the second.

Decentric, you've mentioned how Cruyff and Messi don't rely on the (Cristiano) Ronaldo-esque kind of moves. The take lots of small touches and feints, so too did Henry, it seemed to me.

He's one of my favourite ever footballers (and I'm a Liverpool fan). He just seemed to have a really natural control of the ball. Combine that with his speed and it was some of the most aesthetically pleasing football ever played. He just oozed elegance.
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Just had a look at the second video.

I've seen him play in a lot of games, but he didn't often try this sort of stuff. He must have been judicious in application, but should have tried his 1v1s more often.

Thierry is simply extraordinary.=d>

Like Messi, Cruyff, Denilson, Ronaldo, he has balance, keeps his head up, incredible acceleration, speed possibly not seen in any of the others and speed changes whilst ball carrying - fast,slow, fast, slow.

However, he is incredible in his ability to ride tackles and may be physically stronger on the ball than anyone else in the thread so far.


Specifically Henry uses:

Most techniques are very simple and easy, but like Messi he executes them brilliantly.

* Extreme pace in Running With The Ball.

* Body swerves

* Matthews Cuts

* Zidane 360s

* La Croquetas

* Standard Cuts




Next I'll chase up Zidane, who didn't have the pace of the others.








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Decentric wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqPEpeokCg


Here is a youtube clip of the Brazilian Elastic, or Elastico.

Ronaldinho is performing it in match scenarios.

It is weird as to who can do it. A number of players I've coached, or players, who can hardly do any of what I find the easier easier evasion 1v1 techniques, can do this. They cannot necessarily execute it in match scenarios, but can individually with no player resistance. This is a move that New Signing and I find virtually impossible.

It is a brilliant evasion move. I have never seen one Australian professional player do it successfully on the pitch. It is a specific Brazilian move. A plethora of Brazilians can do it well in match scenarios, but I've seen few outside that county execute it successfully.

In the second post I've put up in this thread, Ronaldo is so good at it, he even nutmegs people with the second part of the move with the inside part of the foot .=d>


Edited by Decentric: 2/5/2015 09:40:06 AM



Saw the first Elastico performed in the HAL today.

Harry Novillo did an Elalastico close to the bi line against Sigmund or Manny Muscat, just before the goals in the second half.

He beat them all ends up, getting a good metre or two on the defender and put in an effective cross.=d>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqPEpeokCg





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http://www.videojug.com/film/combination-ronaldinho-and-ronaldo-stepover

If one wants to see all three aforementioned techniques executed on the pitch in match scenarios, and the same combinations of the above, then I've seen just about every evasion 1v1 technique humanly possible in Cristiano Ronaldo's videos.=d>

Simply put, he uses all techniques that all the other contributors in this thread, Cruyff, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry, Messi and Denilson have done, all put together! It is like every technique that Brazilan Soccer Schools and Coerver impart to their players all put together. Sometime Cristiano does about 4 -10 tricks in succession.

What often happens though is he intimidates with all the brilliant footwork, then beats a player with a simple change of pace or shoulder feint. That is part form his Elastics, which he so good at, he can nutmeg his opponent as well.=d>

Thank goodness for this player. When young cocky males tell me they don't need to learn any evasion techniques, I citethem his videos.

They are too dumb to realise that Messi or Robben achieve much the same with a few techniques. :lol:

Any player trying to learn a lot of these techniques is going to become much more familiar with the ball.





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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zToNoA3ND2E

Cristiano Ronaldo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEsO_ysCt8s

More Cristiano Ronaldo.
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pv4 wrote:
The person I consider to be the best coach I've ever had told me that every player should have 3 different tricks in their arsenal, that they know very instictually and can execute them flawlessly. But not tricks as in to take a player one on one and nutmegs him, but rather to get a change of direction and free yourself from pressure for a brief time - similar to what EG is talking about above. And you need 3 because if you're cornered in somewhere and only use the 1, it will be predictable the next time. But 3 tricks, that each individual can choose on their own, to get a change of direction, should be imprinted in each players mind. How extravegent (sp) these tricks are is up to the individual player.




For that ability to change direction and get out of trouble, one trick, on both right and left side of the body, can also be very effective.

Very few Aussie players, even Socceroos , can do this on both sides of the body in match scenarios.

Carney is a good shoulder feinter on his left, but not right.

Neill and McKay both use the Standard Cut well on the right side, but not the opposite wing.

Kewell has a fabulous shoulder feint on the left side, but not as good on the right.

Dukes was very two footed, but didn't have the acceleration to get past players. Nevertheless, often his little shoulder feint, or Brazilian step over, reverse step over, gave him half a second of time, and a fraction of space to manage a shot at goal.

Kruse' right shoulder feint is his preferred option.

Oar loves the left shoulder feint.

Archie is very two footed and has an array of 1v1 moves. He can body swerve on right and left, Standard Cut on right and left, plus execute Bazilian and reverse stepovers on both sides.

However over time, he has lost a lot of his acceleration. Now he uses a move called La Croqueta more often, which is a move of a 45 degrees inside of the foot touch, followed by the opposite foot inside of the foot touch. Inexplicably, he has the confidence to try moves, even if they fail. Archie appears to have great self-belief.

Burns beat a German defender with a shoulder feint, then another with La Croqueta and forced a fingertip save. It would have been an incredible goal if he had converted.

Burns and Rogic are also quite two footed when it comes to evasion moves. ATM they are our best evasion exponents. If we had both of them on the pitch at the same time, along with Luongo, we would have better 1v1 Attacking skills talent than we usually put out. Burns and Rogic can also cause problems in tight spaces too.

Apart from Dukes and maybe Harry, none of the above, aside from Rogic and Burns, even have a kitbag of left and right shoulder feints/body swerves and left and right standard cuts good enough to execute in match conditions successfully.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-otzeksAlo

This is La Croqueta that a number of players already viewed use. The guy's instruction is okay, but his skill level in execution is way below a professional footballer's.

My original video of Iniesta doing it superbly in a game, is slowly loading, but I should have another to add soon.

Burns and Archie do this well.=d>





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBrFLGNvV7U


This is good, Iniesta does heaps of them in this video, not just one, like my original.

If we are going to get highly technical, Iniesta's weakness is that he always starts with his right foot, followed by his left.
He needs to perfect, the left followed by the right foot La Croqueta too. A top defender will exploit this after a while, jockeying him to receive and play on his weaker left side.

Maybe even Archie and Burns do it starting with both feet, even though nowhere near as good players as Iniesta is. This a brilliant move to use in tight spaces.

It has served a few players I've coached very well in futsal as well as outdoor. It is an effective move for players who are not blessed with great speed. The Brazilian Elastic is also an effective move for slower players too.





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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVKgen5ZRBI&feature=related

This is the Standard Cut.

Many current and former players reading this will have used this, even if they don't realise they do it.

In every world class player's video we've observed in this thread I think all of them would have used the Standard Cuts in a sequence of techniques.

I had only one player in a feeder rep team to an underage state team who could do it beautifully.

I struggle to coach this technique.](*,)

With just about every other move, the footwork required, automatically pulls on e's body shape into the correct body position when executing the technique. This Cut is an exception. Even with all the complex moves, I can assume correct body shape to impart them to players observing them, who then take them seriously.

With this Standard Cut, I've never had a big enough mirror, or a video, to show me I have the current body shape when imparting this technique. I could look like a complete goose.#-o

Then when showing players, they can think the move is stupid, if the coach looks stupid doing it.#-o

According to the coach in the video, the Cut is the most common evasion move. However, I think from observing football, the shoulder feint/body swerve is.

In his specific instruction I feel, and I could be wrong because his players are showing the positive results of his coaching, his instruction is not right.

With the two girls in the video, the taller girl uses her arms well, and is better at the Cut than the shorter girl. To me both look better than the coach.

If one can do this technique, the Cut, little can go wrong, in executing it. It is more a question of timing and distancing relative to the proximity of one's opponent .

Some reading this all be gobsmacked I can confidently coach nearly all techniques seen by the best players in the world in the videos, confidently, apart from the Elastic, like New Signing, and this Standard Cut.

The secret, and this is a massive difference between the KNVB coach education I've done (I think KNVB are unequivocally correct) and FFA modern coaching, is that the KNVB advocate slowing everything down into component parts in technique acquisition.

I've had some big debates with some FFA coaches about this. The difference is that many staff FFA coaches, cannot do these techniques, or learn them, because they try and learn them utilising the FFA doctrine to make everything realistic in realistic game time.

Any PE teacher or martial artist, or sports coach, in any other sport, or music teachers, knows the secret behind mastery of technique, is to acquire complex techniques slowly, then increase speed gradually.

I'm not sure, but I'd surmise Brazilian Socceroo Schools and Coerver coaches do the same. The KNVB certainly do.

I'd also guess that many players who've done Coerver for an extended period, like Eastern Glory, would be able to learn most of these techniques quite quickly at slow speeds.








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I'll try to address some of the points/insight you have. I find it interesting to make sense of the notion that no senior Australian player (save Rogic and Burns) can do these more flashy things in match situations against defenders. It's also interesting (and very encouraging) if lots of the Australia U17s have most of these skills at their disposal. Also how important are they? I don't disagree with you that it's not really all that necessary for a player to do.

I was in Rome last year, backpacking. It was a summer night and I, along with a couple of other Aussie guys who were staying at the same hostel, had gone for a drink. A couple of English guys joined our group. One of the Aussie guys, who was probably interested in football but not that well-versed, was asking the English guy who he thought was the best footballer. I can't remember exactly how it went. But basically, the English guy probably explained that there were different types of footballers. I think he said that Cristiano Ronaldo is the most complete attacking footballer in the world (i.e. he has sublime touch, an outstanding shot, good on both feet, he has brilliant close control, all these remarkable 1 vs 1 skills, phenomenal speed and lovely vision). I agreed. I think I added that I thought Lionel Messi was the best natural footballer in the world today.

The Aussie guy then suggested something along the lines of Zlatan Ibrahimovic being the best footballer in the world. The English guy was appalled. Granted, Zlatan is amazing. I said to the Aussie guy. Zlatan is hands down the best in the world at doing overhead kicks from outside the penalty box and scoring. But often is that required in a match? The English guy then said that probably his favourite footballer ever was Paul Scholes. You rarely saw Scholes try to dribble around anybody. But his passing and positioning was so phenomenal that he opened up acres of space. He was just a very, very intelligent footballer.

So it's really a horses for courses kind of thing. I agree that doing Ronaldo-esque tricks is not always necessary. But I think they demonstrate outstanding levels of technique and ball control. If a student goes into a year eleven chemistry exam, but able to compete at the level of a year twelve, that's going to stand him in good stead.

What I found worrying in the past was that loads of Aussie kids were so appalling in 1 vs 1 situations. When I was in Paris in 2008/2009, I saw heaps of youngsters who not only had sublime touch (they'd kick the ball really high in the air and trap it perfectly), lots of them seemed to have these 1 vs 1 skills.


Good insights.

I think if a player can do the Standard Cut, in an instructional video a few posts back from this one, and the Body Swerve/shoulder feint ( wrongly called the Mathews Cut) in another aforementioned instructional video, and execute some sole of the foot dribbling, all with both feet and both sides of the body, it is all one needs at any level .

if these 3 techniques can be executed in match scenarios against opposition players in realistic game time, it is enough. Apart from Archie, Burns and Rogic, I cannot think of any other Aussie HAL player who has these three techniques and can has performed them successfully, beating defenders on both sides of the body in matches.

Harry Kewell could do all of them, except I've never seen him effectively body swerve on his right side, having a brilliant body swerve on his left side, possibly the best I've seen by any Aussie player.

When we play international games, heaps of players in the ACL, from China, Japan, and Korea, seem to have heaps of players who can do this. The same with a few Middle-eastern players too.

So much of our game relies on superior tactics, accurate passing and movement, effective attacking interplay and crosses to create goals.

Burns nearly pulled off a cracker against Germany, but this is the exception,not the norm. He beat two defenders in a row, inside the penalty box, with a body swerve to beat one and La Croqueta to beat the second, then forced the German keeper to make a fingertip save.=d>













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Decentric wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68vX7Hu_c-0


Lionel Messi.

The usual excellent balance, changes of pace, incredible acceleration, with superb control, like the ball is stuck to his feet.

Most of Messi, features fast ball carrying, or running with the ball, interspersed with judicious shoulder feints, mainly on his preferred left side.

Ronaldo uses so many more techniques than Messi, but the Argentinian is probably even better in 1v1 attacking evasion moves.

what stands out for me about lionel messi is his albilty to change direction so quickly with the ball at his feet. Combined with his natural ball skills when you look at messi's physique he has shorter leg length in proportion to his body height than most players, in particular he has very short tibia. This is an advantage for him in that he can change direction much more quickly than a longer legged backpedalling defender. So many times messi changes direction twice whilst a longer legged defender is still getting through one direction change. The effect is messi often has 3 or 4 totally confused and disoriented defenders around him. Watching messi as a junior he did exactly the same thing as he does now with virtually the same evasion moves. So I believe messi has been coached tactically which has made him even better, this is what I've heard top coaches say, they want players who know all the instinctive moves and techniques already, once the players show they have the ball skills the coach will teach them the rest tactically.
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The Cruyff turn, I found harder to do than stepovers.

There is a brilliant Brazilian Soccer Schools video for developing complex Brazilian stopovers and rolls.

What I've observed though, is that the only moves a player needs are what Cruyfff and Messi do, which are not flashy, apart from the Cruyff Turn.

As a current player do you have any views for the thread on here for players continuing to develop as seniors?



I've always considered the Cryuff turn to be super basic. Learned all those coever moves in under 10s and have always passed them on to teams I coach. I find they are excellent for allowing players to turn away from a defender and get their head up with the additional time and space.



With the Shoulder faint/body swerve, which the instructional video in this thread calls the Matthews Cut, and the other instructional videos on here demonstrating;

the Ronaldo /Ronaldinho combination move,

the Ronaldo,

La Croqueta,

the Cut and Double Cut,

which ones did you learn when you did Coerver in your development as a footballer?



What opportunity did your club/team coaches give players in terms of exercises, to develop these 1v1 attacking moves, against defenders as you progressed and aged as a player?

My theory is that a lot of Coerver has been:

*Coached in isolation, not against passive and active defenders.

*Not encouraged by team coaches in specific practice at training.

* If specific 1v1 exercises have been organised in team practices, the coach has provided no input into players developing specific evasion moves, because they don't know how to coach them. This even extends to NTC level. ](*,)





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what stands out for me about lionel messi is his albilty to change direction so quickly with the ball at his feet. Combined with his natural ball skills when you look at messi's physique he has shorter leg length in proportion to his body height than most players, in particular he has very short tibia. This is an advantage for him in that he can change direction much more quickly than a longer legged backpedalling defender. So many times messi changes direction twice whilst a longer legged defender is still getting through one direction change. The effect is messi often has 3 or 4 totally confused and disoriented defenders around him. Watching messi as a junior he did exactly the same thing as he does now with virtually the same evasion moves.


Great observations.=d>





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Previously, PV4, mentioned a stop/start move he finds effective.

Stopping the ball with the sole of the foot whilst preciously ball carrying, then rolling the sole the foot backwards quickly, and pushing the ball forwards with the part of the foot just above the shoelaces again to resume the action.

Juric did this last night, with great effect, against Guangjhou.

He created metres of space between him and the confused defender. =d>


Juric seems to have a few nice 1v1 evasion moves in the kitbag, not quite remembering which ones he specifically uses, apart from this one in games.I think he has a few body swerves, Brazilian stepovers and reverse stepovers.

Clut has a nice shoulder feint on the right side, displayed in the ACL last night.

Borello displayed shoulder feints on both sides. Last night he beat defenders on both right and left in different actions, with a left shoulder feint, then later in the game a right shoulder feint.=d>

Broich constantly shoulder feints to hi sright cutting in from the left wing, using the top of his foot just above the shoelaces to ball carry, then interspersed with his right outside of the foot touching the ball, shoulder feinting.

However, like Cirio and BFK, they are too reliant on one side - the right. I'd expect more HAL defenders to be able to dispossess them, given their predictability.







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A shame 3 of Robbens 4 moves are dives.

The Cruyff video is beautiful, and he did it in an age when footballs were glorified bricks. So many of his moves were timed for when the defender was either at full stretch or had his feet together which often resulted in the defender ending up on the ground. I loved Culina because he rarely left his feet when defending, especially when 1v1 with highly skilled players. Do you have any links to 1v1 defensive drills to help with lateral and backwards movement? (My sons weak point)
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Decentric wrote:
Previously, PV4, mentioned a stop/start move he finds effective.

Stopping the ball with the sole of the foot whilst preciously ball carrying, then rolling the sole the foot backwards quickly, and pushing the ball forwards with the part of the foot just above the shoelaces again to resume the action.

Juric did this last night, with great effect, against Guangjhou.

He created metres of space between him and the confused defender. =d>


I didn't get to watch Juric do it but it is such a useful move, that with practice is easy enough to execute. If you bring both feet into it, changing direction is quite easy to do too. It gives you such a wide amount of decisions available to do, and with the stop/start motion you're forcing the defender to make reactive decisions that throws them horrendously off course.

I'll think of ways to teach this technique to others. I find this quite an organic move, that is best done by just attempting it, but I wonder how you could make it a structured teaching drill for others..
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Decentric, I'm curious as to your thoughts on George Best's style.

Obviously looking at highlight video's you can see he's blessed with extraordinary balance and pace, but what I've recently found when going back to watch full match replays featuring Best is that his dribbling style is absolutely identical to Messi's. This isn't that apparent in highlight videos, but watching match footage Best regularly goes on mazy runs that are eerily similar to the way Leo moves with the ball, I thought the similarities were remarkable personally.

EDIT

I just found this video showcasing his dribbling
[youtube]ptEHgxirHsk[/youtube]

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Fredsta wrote:
Decentric, I'm curious as to your thoughts on George Best's style.

Obviously looking at highlight video's you can see he's blessed with extraordinary balance and pace, but what I've recently found when going back to watch full match replays featuring Best is that his dribbling style is absolutely identical to Messi's. This isn't that apparent in highlight videos, but watching match footage Best regularly goes on mazy runs that are eerily similar to the way Leo moves with the ball, I thought the similarities were remarkable personally.

EDIT

I just found this video showcasing his dribbling
[youtube]ptEHgxirHsk[/youtube]

Edited by fredsta: 7/5/2015 02:36:20 PM


My NBN is a bit slow. i have only seen about half the video. One difference from Messi, as pointed out by SFC, is that Messi's shorter legs, make him appear to be moving very quickly, with lots of very short steps enabling sharp directional changes.

Best uses;

a right body swerve,

left and right foot cuts,

has tight, close ball control when moving slowly, takes big touches when ball carrying fast in open space, has great balance, keeps his head up, uses changes of pace, similar to Messi, Thierry Henri and Cruyff (apart from not using the Cruyff cut/turn).

Yes his techniques are similar to Messi's, but his stride is longer.




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I loved Culina because he rarely left his feet when defending, especially when 1v1 with highly skilled players. Do you have any links to 1v1 defensive drills to help with lateral and backwards movement? (My sons weak point)


Yes.

I'm going to think of how I explain it on the internet as I don't have a video of the exercise.
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Do you have any links to 1v1 defensive drills to help with lateral and backwards movement? (My sons weak point)


Exercise 1

Try this.

.............9......................
9o

There is a line between two players about 3 - 4 metres apart.

9o denotes player with the ball.

9 denotes defender.

The player with the ball moves sideways on one side of the line using all sorts of ball carrying , evasion and feints for about 2 minutes.

The player without the ball note other side of the line, shadows, crouching, with the body side on in a decent jockeying stance. I will try to get a video for this to assist your son for jockeying body shape.

Every two minutes, or three minutes they change roles. This was in the Chelsea Academy exercises put up by Dirk Van Adidas on here , but it has been taken down from the internet.

It is not this exercise, but the next one, that is excellent for jockeying. This exercise assists the explanation.



Exercise 2

After players have done this for a while then get two players about 1- 2 metres apart.

Discard the line.

Then one dribbles and ball carries at the defender using many of the techniques on video in this thread - stepovers, shoulder feints, Brazilian rolls, etc.

The defender doesn't tackle, but practices moving backwards and sideways - jockeying, delaying , showing.

Do this all the way across the pitch, then players change roles once they reach the other side of the pitch . It is brilliant.

However, like you mention Culina was so good on his feet, which many don't recognise, the defender is passive in Exercise 2, never tackling , but always staying on his/her feet.

Also, the defender will need to change sides jockeying, sometimes left foot forwards, other times right foot forwards. It is brilliant for the ball carrier developing 1v1 attacking sequences, and the defender developing defensive techniques. It is also really hard physically, so players get really fit, plus they touch the ball a lot.

If you are young enough you can do this with your son yourself.




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hZJ1CADebQ


At about 1 minute 26 seconds, this guy has decent defensive body shape for jockeying, but there is not enough on the finer points of it.

There is far too much talk from the coach and not enough demonstration.






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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1S5sVxOTSA


The coach uses far too much instruction, rather than modelling it himself as an action, like all others in videos I've seen so far.

Basically, the instruction is not too bad for demonstrating effective body shape in a jockeying stance, except his players are not very good at it.




As a general rule he has far too many players watching the play for too long , and inactive. Once this Exercise 2 starts, from two posts ago, there is no break in play, unless a coach uses some interventions .





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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Plese2FhlU

Some more Cruyff magic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah8xBnjtYWw

Some of the footage is a bit blurred.

Maradona uses similar techniques to Cruyff - shoulder fonts, Matthews cut ( same foot inside and outside of the foot at circa 45 degrees with each foot), Zidane 360 degree turns ( although Zidane wasn't playing much when he played), as well as the usual changes of pace, acceleration, balance, keeping the head up, with one major difference to many of the others - strength .

Maradona doesn't seem to outpace his opponents like many of the other dribblers. Hence, he relies a lot more on strength. He constantly fends off players , pushing them. His balance when riding body on body contact is astonishing.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBAqGhqZq_M

In this second video, Diego probably has more space, displaying speed on more occasions than the first video. Again though his balance and ability to withstand physical attention is extraordinary.

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Decentric wrote:
Fredsta wrote:
Decentric, I'm curious as to your thoughts on George Best's style.

Obviously looking at highlight video's you can see he's blessed with extraordinary balance and pace, but what I've recently found when going back to watch full match replays featuring Best is that his dribbling style is absolutely identical to Messi's. This isn't that apparent in highlight videos, but watching match footage Best regularly goes on mazy runs that are eerily similar to the way Leo moves with the ball, I thought the similarities were remarkable personally.

EDIT

I just found this video showcasing his dribbling
[youtube]ptEHgxirHsk[/youtube]

Edited by fredsta: 7/5/2015 02:36:20 PM


My NBN is a bit slow. i have only seen about half the video. One difference from Messi, as pointed out by SFC, is that Messi's shorter legs, make him appear to be moving very quickly, with lots of very short steps enabling sharp directional changes.

Best uses;

a right body swerve,

left and right foot cuts,

has tight, close ball control when moving slowly, takes big touches when ball carrying fast in open space, has great balance, keeps his head up, uses changes of pace, similar to Messi, Thierry Henri and Cruyff (apart from not using the Cruyff cut/turn).

Yes his techniques are similar to Messi's, but his stride is longer.




Edited by Decentric: 7/5/2015 06:45:20 PM


Just saw the whole video.

I'm delighted you put it up.

I missed a lot of English football in that era as I moved to Australia from England in 1966. All my English relatives raved about Best. I've hardly seen any footage of him.

Best is a phenomenal player in the video. He often just uses a quick, easy inside of the foot cut, that is just too quick for the defenders who mistime the tackle at the last moment.

He also uses the sole of the foot to great effect, where he can move the ball deftly forwards, backwards and to both sides.

Not quite in the Maradona class to withstand pushing and physical pressure, Best has excellent balance under defensive pressure.

Glad to see that era of shocking pitches has disappeared!



Thanks for putting the George Best video up, Fredsta.:)








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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwCZH1eYr9A

At last, I have a good demonstration for the Matthews Cut, based on the great English player's signature move.

The foot touches the ball with the inside of the foot, then the outside of the same foot. The original touch inside of the foot touch should wrong foot one's opponent.

Some players seem to prefer this , and find it easier than the body swerve/shoulder feint. Thierry Henry and Fernando Torrees like it, as does George Best.

Many players in Asian opposition do this better than us.

As an exercise one can repeat this move over and over- inside of the foot, outside of the foot, inside, outside, inside, outside, forever moving forwards, touching the ball at about 45 degrees with each touch.

Then do it with the non-preferred foot.

This is a key technical move for 1v1 evasion.


This coach in the video demonstrates, instead of talk too much, like many of the defensive skill coaches in videos.

I'd also assume that many players viewing this can do this pretty well.




Edited by Decentric: 8/5/2015 10:33:27 AM
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Previously, PV4, mentioned a stop/start move he finds effective.

Stopping the ball with the sole of the foot whilst preciously ball carrying, then rolling the sole the foot backwards quickly, and pushing the ball forwards with the part of the foot just above the shoelaces again to resume the action.

Juric did this last night, with great effect, against Guangjhou.

He created metres of space between him and the confused defender. =d>


I didn't get to watch Juric do it but it is such a useful move, that with practice is easy enough to execute. If you bring both feet into it, changing direction is quite easy to do too. It gives you such a wide amount of decisions available to do, and with the stop/start motion you're forcing the defender to make reactive decisions that throws them horrendously off course.

I'll think of ways to teach this technique to others. I find this quite an organic move, that is best done by just attempting it, but I wonder how you could make it a structured teaching drill for others..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjlzcqr8Hyo


In this video, is this what you mean?

This is often instructed, but after the ball is pulled back by the sole of the foot in the aforementioned video, instead of the inside of the foot as used in the video, the ball is propelled forwards with the shoelace part of the foot.

This coach, Johnson, has good explanation of techniques.=d>
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Does most of this really need to be 'coached' these days? Has Australian football dropped off that much?

Go down to your local park this weekend and report back... id be surprised if most of the moves discussed arent completed a few times
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Decentric wrote:
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Previously, PV4, mentioned a stop/start move he finds effective.

Stopping the ball with the sole of the foot whilst preciously ball carrying, then rolling the sole the foot backwards quickly, and pushing the ball forwards with the part of the foot just above the shoelaces again to resume the action.

Juric did this last night, with great effect, against Guangjhou.

He created metres of space between him and the confused defender. =d>


I didn't get to watch Juric do it but it is such a useful move, that with practice is easy enough to execute. If you bring both feet into it, changing direction is quite easy to do too. It gives you such a wide amount of decisions available to do, and with the stop/start motion you're forcing the defender to make reactive decisions that throws them horrendously off course.

I'll think of ways to teach this technique to others. I find this quite an organic move, that is best done by just attempting it, but I wonder how you could make it a structured teaching drill for others..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjlzcqr8Hyo


In this video, is this what you mean?

This is often instructed, but after the ball is pulled back by the sole of the foot in the aforementioned video, instead of the inside of the foot as used in the video, the ball is propelled forwards with the shoelace part of the foot.

This coach, Johnson, has good explanation of techniques.=d>


Yep, this kind of move. In so many contexts it is brilliant. And mastering the technique forces you to get so much better ball control in every aspect of the game.

It's also really handy to do if you're running the ball and have a defender running alongside you, and is when I use it most. Because the motion of pull/push gives you miles of room as the defender reacts to it.

I find I use my laces or outside of my boot for the push more than the inside of my boot. But that's because I dribble with the outside of my foot, as I've been taught for ages now. It gives you so much more control of the ball.
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Do you have any links to 1v1 defensive drills to help with lateral and backwards movement? (My sons weak point)


Exercise 1

Try this.

.............9......................
9o

There is a line between two players about 3 - 4 metres apart.

9o denotes player with the ball.

9 denotes defender.

The player with the ball moves sideways on one side of the line using all sorts of ball carrying , evasion and feints for about 2 minutes.

The player without the ball note other side of the line, shadows, crouching, with the body side on in a decent jockeying stance. I will try to get a video for this to assist your son for jockeying body shape.

Every two minutes, or three minutes they change roles. This was in the Chelsea Academy exercises put up by Dirk Van Adidas on here , but it has been taken down from the internet.

It is not this exercise, but the next one, that is excellent for jockeying. This exercise assists the explanation.



Exercise 2

After players have done this for a while then get two players about 1- 2 metres apart.

Discard the line.

Then one dribbles and ball carries at the defender using many of the techniques on video in this thread - stepovers, shoulder feints, Brazilian rolls, etc.

The defender doesn't tackle, but practices moving backwards and sideways - jockeying, delaying , showing.

Do this all the way across the pitch, then players change roles once they reach the other side of the pitch . It is brilliant.

However, like you mention Culina was so good on his feet, which many don't recognise, the defender is passive in Exercise 2, never tackling , but always staying on his/her feet.

Also, the defender will need to change sides jockeying, sometimes left foot forwards, other times right foot forwards. It is brilliant for the ball carrier developing 1v1 attacking sequences, and the defender developing defensive techniques. It is also really hard physically, so players get really fit, plus they touch the ball a lot.

If you are young enough you can do this with your son yourself.

Edited by Decentric: 7/5/2015 07:12:10 PM


Thanks so much for all of that, really helpful stuff and thankfully I am still young enough to keep up with him. So much work to do.
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Does most of this really need to be 'coached' these days? Has Australian football dropped off that much?

Go down to your local park this weekend and report back... id be surprised if most of the moves discussed arent completed a few times


Given FIFA Technical Departments have always identified Australoan players of the past, particularly in your beloved halcyon era of when we qualified for no World Cups in 32 years, as being defiicient in 1v1 Attacking evasion skills, yes we need to improve immeasurably.

If you get a chance to look at a video of the Australan under 16s, playing Japan, recently, you will note that those players have better 1v1 attacking skills than any previous era.

It is no good just learning random stuff in the park. I've coached many refugees and migrants. They are nearly always far too one footed and one sided. There is a sequence of 1v1 skills that are easier to acquire and easier to execute under match pressure.

Coaches need to impart the importance of developing technique on both sides of the body. Far too many HAL players are too one sided. I will add five techniques to this post, by video, that most Australian players, including Socceroos, don't execute on both sides of the body in realistic match scenarios.



http://www.ehow.com/video_2360374_do-matthews-turn-soccer.html

This is not the Matthews Cut, but the shoulder feint or body swerve.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwCZH1eYr9A

The Matthews Cut or inside/outside of the foot dribbling with the same foot.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVKgen5ZRBI&feature=related

This is the Standard Cut.



*If we add sole of the foot dribbling , with both feet, where a player can roll his/her foot over the ball, moving backwards and forwards, and sideways left and right, then these four techniques combined together are pretty simple and easy to acquire.

I haven't added any of the more complex Brazilian stepovers, reverse stepovers, elastics, either.



If one combines,

the shoulder feint,

the Matthews Cut,

the Standard Cut,

in the aforementioned videos,

and the sole of the foot dribbling,

it is a comprehensive skill set.


Yet I cannot think of one other Australian player, who has all these tools, apart from Rogic, Kewell and Archie, who has been able to apply all of them successfully in match scenarios.


So yes, they need to be coached and then practised in 1v1 scenarios within specific team training. The FFA Skills Acquisition Program is doing this for 25% of the time at training for 5 years between the ages of 9-13.=d>







Edited by Decentric: 10/5/2015 11:54:37 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFBMUe3wqSc

Here is Arne Robben.

Alf Galustian claims him as a Coerver graduate.

Interesting because Robben, apart from the usual superb balance, changes of pace, dribbling and ball carrying with the head up , fast ball carrying, close control in tight spaces, alternating between big touches in open space ball carrying and small ones in tight spaces, uses simple techniques unlike many of the Coerver ones.

Robben uses:

* Shoulder feints.

* He uses Matthew Cuts, probably dribbling a lot with his dominant foot.

* Standard cuts.

* La Croqueta.







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Zidane


Zizou has less pace than many of the other players featured so far.

He has all the other attributes of the other players, although not the speed.

Zidane uses strength a lot more, being harder to shake off the ball. He looks like he has immense core strength, although puny in the shoulders and arms when he takes his shirt off.

Zidane uses:

* Brazilian step overs

* Reverse step overs

* Body swerves

* Matthews Cuts

* La Croquetas

* The Zidane 360 degrees turn

* Sole of the foot dribbling

* Ronaldo Chop

* Push pull or stop/start that PV4 uses when playing in the NSW NPL.

* Zidane also uses what is known in BSS as the Jairzinho Turn




In this following video, some of Zidane's first touches are insanely difficult.=d>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7mrCQRJGhA





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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPy8ol_2DKQ

This is another of those great 1v1 exercises on the pitch, which develops both Attacking and Defensive 1v1 skills. It would be interesting to hear how many players viewing this video have done this on the training ground?

Unlike the video, don't have players inactive like Alf Galustian does. He has two players watching, which isn't good. They are wasting valuable training time.

However, when he has two lots of players starting from all four sides of the pitch, with two contests, it is a realistic match scenario. Therefore it is useful.





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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eGGgQW2V-k

Roberto Baggio


This mainly features his superb Running With The Ball in open spaces.

Like most other aforementioned players he has superb balance, acceleration, changes of pace, keeping his head up, taking big touches when ball carrying in open spaces, then takes little touches ball carrying in more confined space, still getting his head up. Baggio changes direction well when running with the ball too.

Essentially, he uses the first five techniques in the 1v1 thread for attacking evasion skills, that FFA SAP deems important:

*Shoulder feint

*Matthews Cut

*Standard Cut

*Sole of the foot dribbling


*He also uses Brazilian and reverse step overs.



Baggio is rather right footed, often using a shoulder feint to go round the outside of a player on their left side and a Standard Cut to go round a player's right side.



Gee some of those tackles on him were savage.

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Decentric wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwCZH1eYr9A

At last, I have a good demonstration for the Matthews Cut, based on the great English player's signature move.

The foot touches the ball with the inside of the foot, then the outside of the same foot. The original touch inside of the foot touch should wrong foot one's opponent.

Some players seem to prefer this , and find it easier than the body swerve/shoulder feint. Thierry Henry and Fernando Torrees like it, as does George Best.

Many players in Asian opposition do this better than us.

As an exercise one can repeat this move over and over- inside of the foot, outside of the foot, inside, outside, inside, outside, forever moving forwards, touching the ball at about 45 degrees with each touch.

Then do it with the non-preferred foot.

This is a key technical move for 1v1 evasion.


This coach in the video demonstrates, instead of talk too much, like many of the defensive skill coaches in videos.

I'd also assume that many players viewing this can do this pretty well.




Edited by Decentric: 8/5/2015 10:33:27 AM


I've done this technique a few times when 1v1 with a defender within shooting distance of goal. The quick shift inside then out usually gives me at least half a yard to open up some space and get a shot away
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More Cruyff magic, not all of it dribbling and ball carrying.

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Garrincha.
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Rivelino.

Demonstrating the Elastico, Brazilian Elastic or Flip flap in games against defenders.

Brilliant move.=d>

Like New Signing, I'm frustrated I cannot do it, no matter how much I've practised.](*,)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALouroUFFkI


One opinion of the 10 best dribblers of all time.

In the first at least we can see Stan Matthews use his body swerves/shoulder feints and his signature Matthews' Cuts.

Check those pitches out covered with snow.




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More Cruyff magic and his football life story.

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Had a highly disappointing season coaching this year. Probably won't do it again to be honest. Haven't enjoyed it and haven't felt like the kids have learned much (because they haven't wanted to IMO).

As much as I was looking forward to coaching an older team, on reflection younger teams are much, much better to coach.
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Had a highly disappointing season coaching this year. Probably won't do it again to be honest. Haven't enjoyed it and haven't felt like the kids have learned much (because they haven't wanted to IMO).

As much as I was looking forward to coaching an older team, on reflection younger teams are much, much better to coach.


The younger children are, 5, 6, 7 years old, the more enthusiastic they are.

However, what they require is pretty simple.

Teenagers are more interesting to coach in terms of content (tactics and technique), but they are nowhere near as rewarding or enthusiastic.

I usually keep all age groups very, very busy. That is non-stop, apart from a few 1 minute drink breaks. Basically, I flog them. It works with all age groups, including adults.

What age did you coach, EG?




Edited by Decentric: 2/8/2015 05:58:52 PM
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I coached U16s this season, and sadly it was such a mixed team in terms of ability and willingness. Half the team were playing up an age group and none of the team was graded, so it was a tough year. I wanted to try more complex stuff, but I had players who by the end of the season still struggling with roll overs and Cryuff turns (stuff I had mastered and was using in games at 10). These boys had just clearly never been coached well before and it made my job shit. I had to stick to basic stuff all year sadly.

My experience with U9s and U10s was completely different. I loved that and the boys and girls I had then were far more talented and mouldable than my U16s.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
I coached U16s this season, and sadly it was such a mixed team in terms of ability and willingness. Half the team were playing up an age group and none of the team was graded, so it was a tough year. I wanted to try more complex stuff, but I had players who by the end of the season still struggling with roll overs and Cryuff turns (stuff I had mastered and was using in games at 10). These boys had just clearly never been coached well before and it made my job shit. I had to stick to basic stuff all year sadly.

My experience with U9s and U10s was completely different. I loved that and the boys and girls I had then were far more talented and mouldable than my U16s.


Mate, that is a classic example of what the national curriculum is all about. Skill acquisition from 9-13 years of age which is the "golden age" of motor learning. There is a strongly held view from the FFA that if the kids miss out on acquiring the skills at this age, it is pretty much too late. That is why it is such a great age group to coach but there is a massive responsibility to get it right too.

IMO - while this is true if they want to be top players, most kids won't be. Lots just loving playing football and being part of a team and a club. Just because they aren't going to play professional football, doesn't mean they can't have a great "career" playing amateur or social football with their mates in community clubs. It is often the "triers" who end up taking on the essential roles at clubs on the committee, coaching etc and are the heart and soul of a community club and their team.

I'm on to my second cycle of taking a team through from 9-13 and the group of kids I have at the moment are fantastic. We're the second 10s team, playing in the second top "league" (although there are no points. league table etc) and the kids are really working hard and having fun. We have only lost one game this season, draw two and the passing, movement, and skill level as improved markedly since the start of the season. As a result I never dread going to training.

I guess my point is, you can only do so much with some players at 16 and above. They are going to make mistakes but if they keep their work rate and effort levels up, you can be happy that you are doing a good job.

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Yeah, I've thought about that all season.

In our trial game this season, half my old team (now 14) played against my current team and just showed them up totally. Was one of my proudest coaching moments to see kids I coached in 9s and 10s giving hell to kids 2 years older than them.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
I coached U16s this season, and sadly it was such a mixed team in terms of ability and willingness. Half the team were playing up an age group and none of the team was graded, so it was a tough year. I wanted to try more complex stuff, but I had players who by the end of the season still struggling with roll overs and Cryuff turns (stuff I had mastered and was using in games at 10). These boys had just clearly never been coached well before and it made my job shit. I had to stick to basic stuff all year sadly.

My experience with U9s and U10s was completely different. I loved that and the boys and girls I had then were far more talented and mouldable than my U16s.


This age, 15-16, can be a really tough gig.

By this time the players have realised they are not going to go a long way in the game. With other issues outside football becoming significant, few want to work on becoming better players.

The younger ones still have enthusiasm at 9-10.




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6FMev3I6NY

George Best.

The old video has disappeared.

Best uses;

a right body swerve,

left and right foot cuts,

has tight, close ball control when moving slowly, takes big touches when ball carrying fast in open space, has great balance, keeps his head up, uses changes of pace, similar to Messi, Thierry Henri and Cruyff (apart from not using the Cruyff cut/turn).

Yes his techniques are similar to Messi's, but his stride is longer.





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These days there are a lot of youtube videos on this sort of thing.


Hopefully, more posters can load more great players we have not thought of onto this thread.
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Decentric wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
I coached U16s this season, and sadly it was such a mixed team in terms of ability and willingness. Half the team were playing up an age group and none of the team was graded, so it was a tough year. I wanted to try more complex stuff, but I had players who by the end of the season still struggling with roll overs and Cryuff turns (stuff I had mastered and was using in games at 10). These boys had just clearly never been coached well before and it made my job shit. I had to stick to basic stuff all year sadly.

My experience with U9s and U10s was completely different. I loved that and the boys and girls I had then were far more talented and mouldable than my U16s.


This age, 15-16, can be a really tough gig.

By this time the players have realised they are not going to go a long way in the game. With other issues outside football becoming significant, few want to work on becoming better players.

The younger ones still have enthusiasm at 9-10.

Edited by Decentric: 4/8/2015 02:24:11 PM


Have you considered coaching a female side? I did it a few years ago and it was extremely rewarding. Most were good players and those that were of a lower standard appreciated being treated seriously and given the opportunity to develop as footballers.
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Just love seeing the attacking players of the past ! Individual brilliance.
A skill imo that is getting stifled by the current/new coaching methods and tactics of todays game.
I was heartened watching young Gersbach last night - he showed his ability last season and I look forward seeing this kid develop but I hope the "system" doesn't change his game too much - reminded me of another great attacking LB we had for years in Lazaridis.
We don't have enough of these type of players today.
I understand the method to the madness of todays curriculum but as I said I feel its stifling individual brilliance - or allowing a kid/player to play their own game at times turning a game on its head more so than not.

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M.L. wrote:
Just love seeing the attacking players of the past ! Individual brilliance.
A skill imo that is getting stifled by the current/new coaching methods and tactics of todays game.
I was heartened watching young Gersbach last night - he showed his ability last season and I look forward seeing this kid develop but I hope the "system" doesn't change his game too much - reminded me of another great attacking LB we had for years in Lazaridis.
We don't have enough of these type of players today.
I understand the method to the madness of todays curriculum but as I said I feel its stifling individual brilliance - or allowing a kid/player to play their own game at times turning a game on its head more so than not.


As I understand it, players' individual brilliance should not be being stifled with the heavy onus on 1v1 attacking skills in the FFA National Curriculum.

One FFA staff coach, also a NC writer for the Skills Acquisition Program I know, was thrilled to see a few under 17s demonstrating this quality in the World Cup.

With the case even of some NTC coaches, I don't think they know how to coach it. They prefer to leave it to others coaching kids before them.

There could be some who how to coach this. Just not in the case of some I've seen.

I was blown out with Gersbach last night.=d>
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Decentric wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
I coached U16s this season, and sadly it was such a mixed team in terms of ability and willingness. Half the team were playing up an age group and none of the team was graded, so it was a tough year. I wanted to try more complex stuff, but I had players who by the end of the season still struggling with roll overs and Cryuff turns (stuff I had mastered and was using in games at 10). These boys had just clearly never been coached well before and it made my job shit. I had to stick to basic stuff all year sadly.

My experience with U9s and U10s was completely different. I loved that and the boys and girls I had then were far more talented and mouldable than my U16s.


This age, 15-16, can be a really tough gig.

By this time the players have realised they are not going to go a long way in the game. With other issues outside football becoming significant, few want to work on becoming better players.

The younger ones still have enthusiasm at 9-10.

Edited by Decentric: 4/8/2015 02:24:11 PM


Have you considered coaching a female side? I did it a few years ago and it was extremely rewarding. Most were good players and those that were of a lower standard appreciated being treated seriously and given the opportunity to develop as footballers.


I've spent more time coaching females aged 10 up to adults into their thirties than males.

You are bang on the money with your last sentence.:)

Ultimately, I'd like to see females coached by females. There are just too many males around coaching women's football who are distracted by females for the wrong reasons.
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Decentric wrote:
M.L. wrote:
Just love seeing the attacking players of the past ! Individual brilliance.
A skill imo that is getting stifled by the current/new coaching methods and tactics of todays game.
I was heartened watching young Gersbach last night - he showed his ability last season and I look forward seeing this kid develop but I hope the "system" doesn't change his game too much - reminded me of another great attacking LB we had for years in Lazaridis.
We don't have enough of these type of players today.
I understand the method to the madness of todays curriculum but as I said I feel its stifling individual brilliance - or allowing a kid/player to play their own game at times turning a game on its head more so than not.


As I understand it, players' individual brilliance should not be being stifled with the heavy onus on 1v1 attacking skills in the FFA National Curriculum.

One FFA staff coach, also a NC writer for the Skills Acquisition Program I know, was thrilled to see a few under 17s demonstrating this quality in the World Cup.

With the case even of some NTC coaches, I don't think they know how to coach it. They prefer to leave it to others coaching kids before them.

There could be some who how to coach this. Just not in the case of some I've seen.

I was blown out with Gersbach last night.=d>


Thanks Decentric, apart from MV's clinical finishing (barring a deflection) the kid was the highlight from the sideline.
He took on some pretty established HAL players with pace,turns and skill and his cross's deserved finishing more than the 1 he created.


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M.L. wrote:
Decentric wrote:
M.L. wrote:
Just love seeing the attacking players of the past ! Individual brilliance.
A skill imo that is getting stifled by the current/new coaching methods and tactics of todays game.
I was heartened watching young Gersbach last night - he showed his ability last season and I look forward seeing this kid develop but I hope the "system" doesn't change his game too much - reminded me of another great attacking LB we had for years in Lazaridis.
We don't have enough of these type of players today.
I understand the method to the madness of todays curriculum but as I said I feel its stifling individual brilliance - or allowing a kid/player to play their own game at times turning a game on its head more so than not.


As I understand it, players' individual brilliance should not be being stifled with the heavy onus on 1v1 attacking skills in the FFA National Curriculum.

One FFA staff coach, also a NC writer for the Skills Acquisition Program I know, was thrilled to see a few under 17s demonstrating this quality in the World Cup.

With the case even of some NTC coaches, I don't think they know how to coach it. They prefer to leave it to others coaching kids before them.

There could be some who how to coach this. Just not in the case of some I've seen.

I was blown out with Gersbach last night.=d>


Thanks Decentric, apart from MV's clinical finishing (barring a deflection) the kid was the highlight from the sideline.
He took on some pretty established HAL players with pace,turns and skill and his cross's deserved finishing more than the 1 he created.


The current Joeys displayed quite solid 1v1 skills they would have spent no more than 1 or at least for some 2 years in the new coaching methods(SAP,) the scary part wait till for the next gens who would have spent more years through the SSGs and the SAP programs, we can only produce better attackers from here.

My only concern is how we can add with the increasingly better 1v1 skills and in general better technical level with a improvement in game intelligence level and improvement in decision making, that's the next level in our football development.

I also would increase SSGs up to u13 and focus more on 8v8 once they reach the full pitch at 14 and bigger presence although improving on futsal and to top that more training year round.

When we reach a level where the emphasis with every coach, player and parent where the game is about the technique, creativity and game smarts then Aus Football has come of age in youth development.
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Fundamental 1v1's is not the same as the one's you see in highlights .

As in basketball you learn the basic , it really is up to the player based on the players ability and position, to further there trick bag. Brazil obviously copy the greats of their country.

What are fundamental 1v1 in soccer/football ?

Basketball it is:
- Jab step
- fake shot
- fake pass
- if your a forward @ high/low post, shoulder fake is also taught (wow)

- Triple threat position , although this is more the act of being able to do all of the above and place the defender on the back foot instead of in your face trying to grab the ball off of you. Shaking the defender off if you can picture that.

Won't be long before we start seeing screens & pick & roll in soccer (hope to god not )

Did I just make basketball sound boring ? Well it may seem funny but that is the only thing taught in Bball at many top levels :lol:

The difference between good and very good can be defined by the players who can develop better 1v1. Basic stuff , I see a lot of 1v1 in soccer that seems like basic fundamental 1v1. ie. fake one direction then go the other. step over? fake pass. what others could you squeeze into fundamental learning. surely not all tricks


I put this to you Decentric. Perhaps it is not our players poor 1v1 ability but their ability to protect and shield the ball while performing these things that is the real issue.

Edited by highkick05: 1/3/2016 03:06:13 PM


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Decentric wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqPEpeokCg


Here is a youtube clip of the Brazilian Elastic, or Elastico.

Ronaldinho is performing it in match scenarios.

It is weird as to who can do it. A number of players I've coached, or players, who can hardly do any of what I find the easier easier evasion 1v1 techniques, can do this. They cannot necessarily execute it in match scenarios, but can individually with no player resistance. This is a move that New Signing and I find virtually impossible.

It is a brilliant evasion move. I have never seen one Australian professional player do it successfully on the pitch. It is a specific Brazilian move. A plethora of Brazilians can do it well in match scenarios, but I've seen few outside that county execute it successfully.

In the second post I've put up in this thread, Ronaldo is so good at it, he even nutmegs people with the second part of the move with the inside part of the foot .=d>


Edited by Decentric: 2/5/2015 09:40:06 AM


Harry Novillo did the Brazilian Elastic superbly at about the 87 minute mark against Nix tonight.=d>
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALouroUFFkI

Top 10 dribblers of all time.
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Not a bad compilation here - Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Zidane, et al.
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One player who was  a great a dribbler and whose video I cannot transfer to here, is Celtic's Jimmy Johnstone.

I think Localstar might have extolled his ability some time ago.
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