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+x+x+x+xA discussion regards the language police. But we are losing to Laos ffs. Yeah there's that too. Just make sure when it all goes tits up everyone gets a pat on the back and told 'it's all OK, results don't matter'. Yeah I hate that crap. Did well for the first five minutes now we just turn it over. Results matter but sometimes some of the people on here need to realise in youth football the score isn't the only result. That said at u-19 level the scoreline does matter a lot. They should be doing better, this side is really struggling to put balls in the back of the net.
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+x+x+xCalling kids retards is not ideal but not telling them straight out in frank and brutal terms what is going wrong is bullshit too. (And to be fair he said 'they were playing like retards' not they are 'retards'.) Do these kids want to be professional footballers and get better or do they want to wallow in mediocrity and their 'safe spaces'? All this namby pamby rubbish is friggin ridiculous. No wonder we're getting shit results if this is the attitude of those in the know (coaches) and their parents. If a kid fucks up he needs to be told he's fucked up. If a kid reads a soccer forum and someone is criticising his performance and he gets upset well that's stiff shit. Are you blokes for real? No critical commentary can be made in case little Johnny or little Johnny's dad reads the internet. Far out. Where's Benda Parma and Quickflick FFS? I didn't see the match. On the matter of calling people retards... I realise it's not deliberately meant to offend people who are intellectually handicapped. But it would probably be hurtful to them and that's what matters, imo. I've been as guilty as anybody of calling people retards. But the more I go through life, though, the more I take a step back and question my actions in the past. I think if I had a sibling with DS and I encountered others calling people retards, I would not be best pleased. I'm not having a go at you TheSelectFew. I've said the exact same so many times. And you're one of my favourite posters. It's only now that I try to look at things through different lenses that I try not to use words like retard or gay in a pejorative way (even though I was the biggest culprit not long ago). But most people will say I'm being overly sensitive and won't have any issue about using the word retard. We all go about things differently. Cheers blud. I have apologised for the use of that word. Should have used a better adjective. Can see how it was misinterpreted but no excuse on my end. Quality tsf
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+x+x+x+x+xA discussion regards the language police. But we are losing to Laos ffs. Yeah there's that too. Just make sure when it all goes tits up everyone gets a pat on the back and told 'it's all OK, results don't matter'. Yeah I hate that crap. Did well for the first five minutes now we just turn it over. Results matter but sometimes some of the people on here need to realise in youth football the score isn't the only result. That said at u-19 level the scoreline does matter a lot. They should be doing better, this side is really struggling to put balls in the back of the net. Yes we know. You and the usual suspects have said that a million times Anyway. 1 - 1.
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Fuck these scum that lie down at every opportunity. 3 minutes for the stretcher to come out. Would love to see a ref have the balls to add 10 minutes injury time one day.
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horrible sportsmanship shown here in this game
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+xFuck these scum that lie down at every opportunity. 3 minutes for the stretcher to come out. Would love to see a ref have the balls to add 10 minutes injury time one day. One of my top ten favourite images ever... Harry Kewell grabbing an opponent who was lying down as if he just trodden on a landmine and trying to haul him to his feet.
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Fuck these little bitches. They are a disgrace to football for all this play acting.
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Its a serious issue when someone actually gets hurt. This ref needs to show more courage.
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Nothing more that ticks me right over the edge is poor sportsmanship. Its a blight.
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That was a disgrace but we won 2-1. Diving and grass rolling almost cost us the game. Credit to our boys for sticking with it though.
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Disgraceful gamesmanship from Laos , this really gives our game a bad name and the AFL/ NRL wankers something to bag shit of Football . Refs need to stamp it out with card or extended xtra time
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So the semi is Vietnam v Australia, Thursday 22nd, 10pm AEST As for the grass rolling, there really needs to be some consequences. If you go down like a sack of potatoes you should stay off for a few minutes.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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I'm thinking this will be a cracking game , hopefully Optus can afford to get a proper fcun commentator for semi and final , the bloke they got atm makes me want to puke big time :(
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+xDisgraceful gamesmanship from Laos , this really gives our game a bad name and the AFL/ NRL wankers something to bag shit of Football .Refs need to stamp it out with card or extended xtra time Why do you care what others sports think ? (especially the two most monocultural in the world) you sound a little insecure Its not as if its an Australian problem
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Funny how you can call Asians 'scum' and no one cares. Throw down 'retard' though and the place goes into meltdown.
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Yes I do care what others think , bit stupid not to ? Believe it or not football in Australia needs to sell its self to the mainstream , eurosnobs will not get us on free to air nor will they get us the pay tv deal that will enable us to grow the game .
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+xFunny how you can call Asians 'scum' and no one cares. Throw down 'retard' though and the place goes into meltdown. Yeah that's just as bad. Call them scum is fine. Calling them Asian scum is not. Imo. But I was the only one who kicked up a fuss about the use of the word retard. That South Park thing makes a good point. And I reckon many people who are intellectually disabled or have loved ones who are would not be opposed to throwing words around like that. But I don't know that. And I can also see how it could be very offensive (even though it's a word I used to use a lot). I'm at a bit of a loss as to whether it's good to be laissez-faire with these kind of things. It probably depends on the context. But without a specific context which makes it inoffensive, I think it's better not to use such terms because there will be some who, undoubtedly, would be hurt.
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+xI'm thinking this will be a cracking game , hopefully Optus can afford to get a proper fcun commentator for semi and final , the bloke they got atm makes me want to puke big time :( I've been enjoying his commentary. I also loved it when Kuzmanovski came on and the graphic just said 'Steve'.
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+x+xFunny how you can call Asians 'scum' and no one cares. Throw down 'retard' though and the place goes into meltdown. Yeah that's just as bad. Call them scum is fine. Calling them Asian scum is not. Imo. But I was the only one who kicked up a fuss about the use of the word retard. That South Park thing makes a good point. And I reckon many people who are intellectually disabled or have loved ones who are would not be opposed to throwing words around like that. But I don't know that. And I can also see how it could be very offensive (even though it's a word I used to use a lot). I'm at a bit of a loss as to whether it's good to be laissez-faire with these kind of things. It probably depends on the context. But without a specific context which makes it inoffensive, I think it's better not to use such terms because there will be some who, undoubtedly, would be hurt. If you constantly worried about somebody who 'might' be offended about something you might say then you'd never open your mouth. And that's no way to live your life. But anyway here's the thing. I could call you c#nt and no one would care. Call you a faggot however and you're looking down the barrel of a ban. Will cease posting about this because it's way off track. Apologies for the sidetrack.
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+x+x+xFunny how you can call Asians 'scum' and no one cares. Throw down 'retard' though and the place goes into meltdown. Yeah that's just as bad. Call them scum is fine. Calling them Asian scum is not. Imo. But I was the only one who kicked up a fuss about the use of the word retard. That South Park thing makes a good point. And I reckon many people who are intellectually disabled or have loved ones who are would not be opposed to throwing words around like that. But I don't know that. And I can also see how it could be very offensive (even though it's a word I used to use a lot). I'm at a bit of a loss as to whether it's good to be laissez-faire with these kind of things. It probably depends on the context. But without a specific context which makes it inoffensive, I think it's better not to use such terms because there will be some who, undoubtedly, would be hurt. If you constantly worried about somebody who 'might' be offended about something you might say then you'd never open your mouth. And that's no way to live your life. But anyway here's the thing. I could call you c#nt and no one would care. Call you a faggot however and you're looking down the barrel of a ban. Will cease posting about this because it's way off track. Apologies for the sidetrack. I hate it too. But its the world we live in these days.
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+xI'd just like to throw my two cents worth in here, but recently, I'm sure many of you are acquainted with 'A-League memes' on Facebook, (hoping no one is an admin of that page on here) but the other day regarding Melbourne City's 4-0 loss to Newcastle. The post (piss-take) basically connoted prior to the match the line up of city being a mixture of experience and youth whilst Post match the City twitter page said that their youthful squad was humbled by a full strength Jets squad. covering up the disappointing result with lack of experience. As a result the keyboard warriors, 'A league memes' came alive bagging out Melbourne City (and basically their youth team), obviously the admins being so deluded in their apparent humour, don't fucking realise that half the kids that were playing that day were under 20 and most likely follow/like if not know about the page. So my question is. Do you think kids read into this and take it personally, I mean they can either strive for more success or completely give up due to the backlash they receive. but I feel fuckin annoyed when us Australians take the piss out of their own youth structures (youth teams) when the meme pages supposedly have a passion for covering the game as a whole. Obviously I realise it is a memes page but come on, know when its suitable to do so and know when it isn't. And just because I'm a city fan I would've been pissed if it was any other club as it just degrades the development of the game as a whole. Sorry. just an issue I thought apparent to youth development. Media. 1stly have to say that a league memes seems to be run by melbourne city supporters. 2nduly i think you need thick skin if you are going to have a public profile.
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I'm making a separate thread in ET where I'll reply to you. Thought-provoking stuff.
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+x+xI'd just like to throw my two cents worth in here, but recently, I'm sure many of you are acquainted with 'A-League memes' on Facebook, (hoping no one is an admin of that page on here) but the other day regarding Melbourne City's 4-0 loss to Newcastle. The post (piss-take) basically connoted prior to the match the line up of city being a mixture of experience and youth whilst Post match the City twitter page said that their youthful squad was humbled by a full strength Jets squad. covering up the disappointing result with lack of experience. As a result the keyboard warriors, 'A league memes' came alive bagging out Melbourne City (and basically their youth team), obviously the admins being so deluded in their apparent humour, don't fucking realise that half the kids that were playing that day were under 20 and most likely follow/like if not know about the page. So my question is. Do you think kids read into this and take it personally, I mean they can either strive for more success or completely give up due to the backlash they receive. but I feel fuckin annoyed when us Australians take the piss out of their own youth structures (youth teams) when the meme pages supposedly have a passion for covering the game as a whole. Obviously I realise it is a memes page but come on, know when its suitable to do so and know when it isn't. And just because I'm a city fan I would've been pissed if it was any other club as it just degrades the development of the game as a whole. Sorry. just an issue I thought apparent to youth development. Media. 1stly have to say that a league memes seems to be run by melbourne city supporters. 2nduly i think you need thick skin if you are going to have a public profile. If you want a professional career in football expect it. If you can't handle a couple of mean words someone you don't know or care for said anonymously on the internet about you then what happens when you are needed to take a deciding pen. Football requires a lot of toughness. Its what players lack these days because they are too bubble wrapped. In regards to City, they are fast becoming the hated club of the league. Rich foreign owner breaking all the rules and an international recognisable marquee who is as self obsessed as all get out. Losing 4 zip to a club with no manager you are gonna cop it. Its the game we love. No one is going yo check the players for age ID when criticising. They are professionals.
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After viewing segments of the Under 19 Laos game today, Australia dominated play against them, but could not do the most important thing - score.
There were so many near misses by Australia. Pleasingly many of these occurred from proactive play. That is starting with patient build ups from the back, culminating in some quicker episodes of attacking interplay near and in the opposition penalty box.
There were a number of technical phenomena that seem to be improving.
*Players playing more football when ball carrying, or generally in possession of the ball, with their heads up, as opposed to down.
* Players appear to be using the outside of the foot more than in the past. Having said this, it would be good if many players were more comfortable with the non- preferred foot in short passing interplay too, or even dribbling.
* The all important diagonal passing lane was constantly opened. The off the ball running was good from Australia.
I saw someone ask why the diagonal ball is important? Players constantly receive the ball , whilst simultaneously being able to scan the field of play as they receive, than turning blind. This creates effective preconditions for effective body shape whilst playing forwards. The straight ball is useful if a player is unmarked.
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+x+x+x+x+xA discussion regards the language police. But we are losing to Laos ffs. Yeah there's that too. Just make sure when it all goes tits up everyone gets a pat on the back and told 'it's all OK, results don't matter'. Yeah I hate that crap. Did well for the first five minutes now we just turn it over. Results matter but sometimes some of the people on here need to realise in youth football the score isn't the only result. That said at u-19 level the scoreline does matter a lot. They should be doing better, this side is really struggling to put balls in the back of the net. On another day than the one against Laos, they could've put 6 in the back of the net from the chances created. The Australian performance in this game, was a lot better than the result. The point made by FFA is that a high component of results are attributable to chance - approximately 40%. Yet some get so upset by losses that can be considered an upset. FFA boffins, led by Berger citing European scenarios, also conclude that many Aussie star youth players in tournaments fade out, or become mediocre pro footballers, not fulfilling early promise. Sometimes overage cheating occurs. This was apparent in most of the Nigererian team who just won the order 16/17 World Cup. The only definite way to ensure it doesn't occur is playing senior football. I've also read other articles where stars in underage World Cups fade out from countries all around the world - not just Kaz Patafta. We've all seen upsets. Particularly in recent times where a few NPL teams have been fortunate to defeat HAL teams in the FFA Cup.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xA discussion regards the language police. But we are losing to Laos ffs. Yeah there's that too. Just make sure when it all goes tits up everyone gets a pat on the back and told 'it's all OK, results don't matter'. Yeah I hate that crap. Did well for the first five minutes now we just turn it over. Results matter but sometimes some of the people on here need to realise in youth football the score isn't the only result. That said at u-19 level the scoreline does matter a lot. They should be doing better, this side is really struggling to put balls in the back of the net. On another day than the one against Laos, they could've put 6 in the back of the net from the chances created. The Australian performance in this game, was a lot better than the result. The point made by FFA is that a high component of results are attributable to chance - approximately 40%. Yet some get so upset by losses that can be considered an upset. FFA boffins, led by Berger citing European scenarios, also conclude that many Aussie star youth players in tournaments fade out, or become mediocre pro footballers, not fulfilling early promise. Sometimes overage cheating occurs. This was apparent in most of the Nigererian team who just won the order 16/17 World Cup. The only definite way to ensure it doesn't occur is playing senior football. I've also read other articles where stars in underage World Cups fade out from countries all around the world - not just Kaz Patafta. We've all seen upsets. Particularly in recent times where a few NPL teams have been fortunate to defeat HAL teams in the FFA Cup. Decentric, normally your analysis is good but I think your stat on chance appears wrong because in effect you are saying every team wins 40% of their matches just on luck, which really sounds a lot like a good excuse for losing against the better team on the day. Football is a results game and anyone who thinks they dont matter is kidding themselves. If we arent concerned with how the U16 go in this tournament and their results dont matter, why did we bother sending them, surely the money could have been better spent on other development activities in Australia.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xA discussion regards the language police. But we are losing to Laos ffs. Yeah there's that too. Just make sure when it all goes tits up everyone gets a pat on the back and told 'it's all OK, results don't matter'. Yeah I hate that crap. Did well for the first five minutes now we just turn it over. Results matter but sometimes some of the people on here need to realise in youth football the score isn't the only result. That said at u-19 level the scoreline does matter a lot. They should be doing better, this side is really struggling to put balls in the back of the net. On another day than the one against Laos, they could've put 6 in the back of the net from the chances created. The Australian performance in this game, was a lot better than the result. The point made by FFA is that a high component of results are attributable to chance - approximately 40%. Yet some get so upset by losses that can be considered an upset. FFA boffins, led by Berger citing European scenarios, also conclude that many Aussie star youth players in tournaments fade out, or become mediocre pro footballers, not fulfilling early promise. Sometimes overage cheating occurs. This was apparent in most of the Nigererian team who just won the order 16/17 World Cup. The only definite way to ensure it doesn't occur is playing senior football. I've also read other articles where stars in underage World Cups fade out from countries all around the world - not just Kaz Patafta. We've all seen upsets. Particularly in recent times where a few NPL teams have been fortunate to defeat HAL teams in the FFA Cup. Decentric, normally your analysis is good but I think your stat on chance appears wrong because in effect you are saying every team wins 40% of their matches just on luck, which really sounds a lot like a good excuse for losing against the better team on the day. I am no expert on chance. However, Arthur provided a very interesting article, that was supposedly well researched in Europe. The author claimed comprehensive search showed that there was a 40% chance element in games. Distinguished football author, Simon Kuper, has also alluded to this with his co- author, economics professor, Stefan Scysmoswki ( ?). One case used was Avram Grant's Chelsea player missing a penalty (Lampard or Terry) by a few centimetres in a UCL final. If it had been converted Chelsea would've been Champ League champs. It wasn't. I think Grant was sacked shortly after. Top FFA coaches always refer to the this issue in appraising coaches when confronted with results based football.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xA discussion regards the language police. But we are losing to Laos ffs. Yeah there's that too. Just make sure when it all goes tits up everyone gets a pat on the back and told 'it's all OK, results don't matter'. Yeah I hate that crap. Did well for the first five minutes now we just turn it over. Results matter but sometimes some of the people on here need to realise in youth football the score isn't the only result. That said at u-19 level the scoreline does matter a lot. They should be doing better, this side is really struggling to put balls in the back of the net. On another day than the one against Laos, they could've put 6 in the back of the net from the chances created. The Australian performance in this game, was a lot better than the result. The point made by FFA is that a high component of results are attributable to chance - approximately 40%. Yet some get so upset by losses that can be considered an upset. FFA boffins, led by Berger citing European scenarios, also conclude that many Aussie star youth players in tournaments fade out, or become mediocre pro footballers, not fulfilling early promise. Sometimes overage cheating occurs. This was apparent in most of the Nigererian team who just won the order 16/17 World Cup. The only definite way to ensure it doesn't occur is playing senior football. I've also read other articles where stars in underage World Cups fade out from countries all around the world - not just Kaz Patafta. We've all seen upsets. Particularly in recent times where a few NPL teams have been fortunate to defeat HAL teams in the FFA Cup. Football is a results game and anyone who thinks they dont matter is kidding themselves. If we arent concerned with how the U16 go in this tournament and their results dont matter, why did we bother sending them, surely the money could have been better spent on other development activities in Australia. There are so many criteria to assess teams now, that results are one facet of the game. Something I learnt at a recent coaching seminar was that Ange divides a team into analysing three parts of the pitch. The attacking third, midfield third and defensive third. Then a team can be appraised in the three thirds of the pitch in Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition. This comprises 6 analytical criteria. Using these criteria the Socceroos may be weakest in Ball Possession and covering chances in the attacking third and also weaker in Ball Possession Opposition in the defensive third compared to other areas of the pitch and phases of play. Then an individual player can be appraised on four different technical criteria. One well known criteria in any given game, is the chances created, inside and outside the box, compared to the opposition. Modern analytical criteria goes on and on. This means games can be evaluated beyond goals scored and conceded. I hope this has elucidated some complex issues when some argue results are everything in underage football.
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One very bad game for Australia, was the under 16s playing Krygystan.
The performance was terrible, even though they only lost 0-1.
The under 16s second game, (was it against Thailand?), was much better.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xA discussion regards the language police. But we are losing to Laos ffs. Yeah there's that too. Just make sure when it all goes tits up everyone gets a pat on the back and told 'it's all OK, results don't matter'. Yeah I hate that crap. Did well for the first five minutes now we just turn it over. Results matter but sometimes some of the people on here need to realise in youth football the score isn't the only result. That said at u-19 level the scoreline does matter a lot. They should be doing better, this side is really struggling to put balls in the back of the net. On another day than the one against Laos, they could've put 6 in the back of the net from the chances created. The Australian performance in this game, was a lot better than the result. The point made by FFA is that a high component of results are attributable to chance - approximately 40%. Yet some get so upset by losses that can be considered an upset. FFA boffins, led by Berger citing European scenarios, also conclude that many Aussie star youth players in tournaments fade out, or become mediocre pro footballers, not fulfilling early promise. Sometimes overage cheating occurs. This was apparent in most of the Nigererian team who just won the order 16/17 World Cup. The only definite way to ensure it doesn't occur is playing senior football. I've also read other articles where stars in underage World Cups fade out from countries all around the world - not just Kaz Patafta. We've all seen upsets. Particularly in recent times where a few NPL teams have been fortunate to defeat HAL teams in the FFA Cup. Decentric, normally your analysis is good but I think your stat on chance appears wrong because in effect you are saying every team wins 40% of their matches just on luck, which really sounds a lot like a good excuse for losing against the better team on the day. Football is a results game and anyone who thinks they dont matter is kidding themselves. If we arent concerned with how the U16 go in this tournament and their results dont matter, why did we bother sending them, surely the money could have been better spent on other development activities in Australia. Results will always matter. Try telling my son that not qualifying for the WC doesn't matter. But I think at U16's level its more about what and how these kids are being educated on the game. More importantly are we as a nation moving in the right direction with regards to football education? I have my concerns at state level and now national level.
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