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+xAnge said we lag behind Asia probably not even in the top 20 nations and he said it scary where we place ourselves in the world scale.And by the same time we expect our youth teams to well when we are under invested in this field.We need to invest more and place the mortar and bricks to build our pathways which we are too slow to do or not aware of doing it. Yes I do think that investment money is a big problem for Aus. 9 clubs is also too small to have kids training at a high level, I also think that from a young age in Europe kids are put in a more professional set-up......admittedly the pressure is higher with 22 kids per team so they have to stay on their toes to keep a starting spot, higher intensity training and more hours, pro/relegation so kids are exposed to different types of game pressure which comes from that...... The down side of course is helping the kids deal with the pressure and what is expected of them...I guess you either sink or swim.....and hopefully not lose your love for the game. In saying that there are not so many other sports to tempt them away and there are always kids in the parks / streets kicking a ball. Thats all they think about...football!!
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+xAnge said we lag behind Asia probably not even in the top 20 nations and he said it scary where we place ourselves in the world scale. I've just read his book, but I cannot remember reading this comment. Wow! Shocking if true.
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+x+xAnge said we lag behind Asia probably not even in the top 20 nations and he said it scary where we place ourselves in the world scale.And by the same time we expect our youth teams to well when we are under invested in this field.We need to invest more and place the mortar and bricks to build our pathways which we are too slow to do or not aware of doing it. Yes I do think that investment money is a big problem for Aus. 9 clubs is also too small to have kids training at a high level, I also think that from a young age in Europe kids are put in a more professional set-up......admittedly the pressure is higher with 22 kids per team so they have to stay on their toes to keep a starting spot, higher intensity training and more hours, pro/relegation so kids are exposed to different types of game pressure which comes from that...... The down side of course is helping the kids deal with the pressure and what is expected of them...I guess you either sink or swim.....and hopefully not lose your love for the game. In saying that there are not so many other sports to tempt them away and there are always kids in the parks / streets kicking a ball. Thats all they think about...football!! Interesting post. From recent travel in Europe, over three different trips, I've hardly seen any street football in Southern France, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland and Greece. I've seen far more in Turkey, England and Scotland.
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Hellya
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+x+x+xAnge said we lag behind Asia probably not even in the top 20 nations and he said it scary where we place ourselves in the world scale.And by the same time we expect our youth teams to well when we are under invested in this field.We need to invest more and place the mortar and bricks to build our pathways which we are too slow to do or not aware of doing it. Yes I do think that investment money is a big problem for Aus. 9 clubs is also too small to have kids training at a high level, I also think that from a young age in Europe kids are put in a more professional set-up......admittedly the pressure is higher with 22 kids per team so they have to stay on their toes to keep a starting spot, higher intensity training and more hours, pro/relegation so kids are exposed to different types of game pressure which comes from that...... The down side of course is helping the kids deal with the pressure and what is expected of them...I guess you either sink or swim.....and hopefully not lose your love for the game. In saying that there are not so many other sports to tempt them away and there are always kids in the parks / streets kicking a ball. Thats all they think about...football!! Interesting post. From recent travel in Europe, over three different trips, I've hardly seen any street football in Southern France, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland and Greece. I've seen far more in Turkey, England and Scotland. Yes a lot of countries are blaming lack of street football for their land going backwards. Kids are no longer out on the streets playing freely, against kids of different ages, kicking a ball and generally making it up as they go along. Maybe it is an anomaly that I see it here! One of my sons gripes is; at training sometimes the trainer stops the game frequently to explain what went wrong or how it could have been done better (that is what trainers are paid to do) but sometimes the kids just want to get on with it!! Although if England are playing street football then I am not sure if it is a good or a bad thing :)
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+x+x+x+xAnge said we lag behind Asia probably not even in the top 20 nations and he said it scary where we place ourselves in the world scale.And by the same time we expect our youth teams to well when we are under invested in this field.We need to invest more and place the mortar and bricks to build our pathways which we are too slow to do or not aware of doing it. Yes I do think that investment money is a big problem for Aus. 9 clubs is also too small to have kids training at a high level, I also think that from a young age in Europe kids are put in a more professional set-up......admittedly the pressure is higher with 22 kids per team so they have to stay on their toes to keep a starting spot, higher intensity training and more hours, pro/relegation so kids are exposed to different types of game pressure which comes from that...... The down side of course is helping the kids deal with the pressure and what is expected of them...I guess you either sink or swim.....and hopefully not lose your love for the game. In saying that there are not so many other sports to tempt them away and there are always kids in the parks / streets kicking a ball. Thats all they think about...football!! Interesting post. From recent travel in Europe, over three different trips, I've hardly seen any street football in Southern France, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland and Greece. I've seen far more in Turkey, England and Scotland. Yes a lot of countries are blaming lack of street football for their land going backwards. Kids are no longer out on the streets playing freely, against kids of different ages, kicking a ball and generally making it up as they go along. Maybe it is an anomaly that I see it here! One of my sons gripes is; at training sometimes the trainer stops the game frequently to explain what went wrong or how it could have been done better (that is what trainers are paid to do) but sometimes the kids just want to get on with it!! Although if England are playing street football then I am not sure if it is a good or a bad thing :) Been a massive decrease in street football in England too, it has become the new thing to blame for going backwards. But this happened really when video games and technology became quite big, as why go outside when you don't need to mentality. So i'd venture to recent to blame for lack of national team results.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xJapan beat the same mob they drew with, they won 4-0 and it could have been more too. I guess this shows we are falling behind Asia's elite let alone the world's elite given our u17s and u23s missing out completely also. I wonder what we have to do.... Start by setting up FULL TIME academy's across the country, training 2 times a day,5-6 days per week, 25-30 hours a week, with the best coaches possible, on the best pitches possible, playing in the best possible comps, against the best possible opposition. Then invite the top 100 players (from these academy's) and 50 from NPL etc to national 3-4 day camps, 4-5 times prior to selection, have a panel of 5 selector, 3 internal and 2 external, and pick the best players. Train for 3-4 week prior to the comps and play. Jesus Christ, that's over the top. European academies would do half that :/ No over the top at all when you combined ball work video analysis gym conditioning etc etc. Spoke to a coach from Santos told me that 6 days and 25 hours per week was std. City youth atm are at 15 plus hours. What would hal boys be doing? I would've thought one of the issues with City, and other HAL youth teams , is they don't play enough matches. I thought there is only an 8 round regular HAL youth season according to Ange. How many matches would your son play in a season, JDB03? All up 40 odd Good. This is pleasing. Can you give a rough break down of those 40 games? I was concerned that you said only about 3-4 per youth team would go on to become pro footballers. When I saw City Youth play Tasmania my viewing vantage point was quite different from TV and my usual position at games - half way along the pitch with an elevated view. From my angle, I was really impressed with the technical quality of many City players. However, it might have looked different from the normal viewing vantage point. From what I saw at a low elevation, near a corner flag, many of the City Youth players looked technically superior to many current HAL players. 27 npl games 10-12 practice matches 4-5 internal games then 8 nyl so really it's possibly more then 40. Training for 20-25 hours and school...... I guess they have to put their heads down and work hard...it is not easy.......still enjoying every minute of it though otherwise why the hell would you put yourself through it. They play probably roughly the same amount of games/practice matches as JDB03......not to mention stuff the boys do on their own time...it was defintely a step up from the amount of time training in Aus.. Your right I just had a mates boy come back from OS trialling and found that the hardest part was keeping up with the training requirements. Good luck to your boy BTW. The question should be here is why aren't we doing the same? Or is something holding us back in our approach to youth development training? Ill tell ya what we have a long way to go.... heading and crossing comes to mind, a cut back is easier than a good cross
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+x+x+x+xAnge said we lag behind Asia probably not even in the top 20 nations and he said it scary where we place ourselves in the world scale.And by the same time we expect our youth teams to well when we are under invested in this field.We need to invest more and place the mortar and bricks to build our pathways which we are too slow to do or not aware of doing it. Yes I do think that investment money is a big problem for Aus. 9 clubs is also too small to have kids training at a high level, I also think that from a young age in Europe kids are put in a more professional set-up......admittedly the pressure is higher with 22 kids per team so they have to stay on their toes to keep a starting spot, higher intensity training and more hours, pro/relegation so kids are exposed to different types of game pressure which comes from that...... The down side of course is helping the kids deal with the pressure and what is expected of them...I guess you either sink or swim.....and hopefully not lose your love for the game. In saying that there are not so many other sports to tempt them away and there are always kids in the parks / streets kicking a ball. Thats all they think about...football!! Interesting post. From recent travel in Europe, over three different trips, I've hardly seen any street football in Southern France, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland and Greece. I've seen far more in Turkey, England and Scotland. One of my sons gripes is; at training sometimes the trainer stops the game frequently to explain what went wrong or how it could have been done better (that is what trainers are paid to do) but sometimes the kids just want to get on with it!! Although if England are playing street football then I am not sure if it is a good or a bad thing :) As a coach one needs to stop the game periodically to improve players' habits. I've also coached a lot of refugees who've played fair bit of street football in refugee camps. Often they are very one foot reliant, more like Brazilian players in the Brazilian league. Those wrong habits are easier to inculcate early in a player's career rather than eradicate, or unlearn later on. One of the things the Germans believe is at some stage of training there is just free play with no intervention from coaches.
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In the past,with limited money and poor training for kids,street football may have helped generate many a skilled football player.But with all the technology and professionalism these days,street football as a significant training ground should not be an issue.
I challenge anyone who believes that disorganised self taught techniques is better than technique taught at the highest level,using modern technology.
The real issue is resources/money and the right management to drive football education/training.If you look at any sport.The best performing countries,have the best resources and management.
If you want to learn any skill you need a good teacher and lots of repetition using clever training techniques to succeed.Whether it's swimming,karate,skiing or football it always comes down to the same things.Plus of course a student with high level ability ,physical attributes and mental strength.
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+x+x+x+x+xAnge said we lag behind Asia probably not even in the top 20 nations and he said it scary where we place ourselves in the world scale.And by the same time we expect our youth teams to well when we are under invested in this field.We need to invest more and place the mortar and bricks to build our pathways which we are too slow to do or not aware of doing it. Yes I do think that investment money is a big problem for Aus. 9 clubs is also too small to have kids training at a high level, I also think that from a young age in Europe kids are put in a more professional set-up......admittedly the pressure is higher with 22 kids per team so they have to stay on their toes to keep a starting spot, higher intensity training and more hours, pro/relegation so kids are exposed to different types of game pressure which comes from that...... The down side of course is helping the kids deal with the pressure and what is expected of them...I guess you either sink or swim.....and hopefully not lose your love for the game. In saying that there are not so many other sports to tempt them away and there are always kids in the parks / streets kicking a ball. Thats all they think about...football!! Interesting post. From recent travel in Europe, over three different trips, I've hardly seen any street football in Southern France, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland and Greece. I've seen far more in Turkey, England and Scotland. One of my sons gripes is; at training sometimes the trainer stops the game frequently to explain what went wrong or how it could have been done better (that is what trainers are paid to do) but sometimes the kids just want to get on with it!! Although if England are playing street football then I am not sure if it is a good or a bad thing :) As a coach one needs to stop the game periodically to improve players' habits. I've also coached a lot of refugees who've played fair bit of street football in refugee camps. Often they are very one foot reliant, more like Brazilian players in the Brazilian league. Those wrong habits are easier to inculcate early in a player's career rather than eradicate, or unlearn later on. One of the things the Germans believe is at some stage of training there is just free play with no intervention from coaches. Definitely agree coaches need to stop the game and improve players habits. Maybe though there is still not enough time put aside during training for just free play and in the past this is what was good with street football. Kids would be trained in a professional environment and then have their free play time on the streets to be creative. It is defintely becoming a balancing act with the increase in amount of training hours (eg 25 hours per week) a match on the weekend and sometimes a practice match one night during the week then throw in school and homework there is not a lot of time left to be playing street football. I think the kids have to have some down time (mentally and physically) otherwise they get run down, injuries etc etc. Although without free play time (during training or on the streets) we are not helping kids think for themselves and that will get us nowhere.
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Talking about the junior teams is there a rumour going around that joey u16 and FFA COE player Lachlan Brook has joined Adelaide United? From what ive seen from him he's got some ability and perhaps smart hes left the restricted environment in Canberra.
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I've just started a thread where Dean Heffernan, current CCM Academy Director, discussed youth development in Australia.
I put it in Performance as it warranted its own thread.
There is almost an argument coming form Ange and Heff not to worry about underage rep teams and national teams since so many young players fail to progress to senior pro level.
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Cambodian banned for fixing Aus U-19 game A Cambodian football coach has been banned from the sport for life for helping to fix a match involving the Young Socceroos last year. Peas Sothy, the coach of Cambodian side National Police Commissary FC, was one of 22 people issued life bans by the Asian Football Confederation this week as part of an ongoing investigation surrounding the Lao Football Federation's representative teams. The AFC did not release specific details, but a spokesman for the Football Federation of Cambodia revealed Sothy was accused of being involved in manipulating a match at last year's AFC U-19 Youth Championships in Vietnam. The match in question was Australia's 2-1 group stage victory over Laos on September 20. Laos took the lead just before half-time but second-half goals to Lachlan Scott and George Blackwood put the Young Socceroos ahead. Australia went on to win the tournament. It's unclear if the result itself was fixed or if Sothy was involved in spot-fixing. "The AFC has a zero-tolerance policy on match-fixing and its regulations provide for tough sanctions for match manipulation," the AFC said in a statement. Sothy intends to lodge an appeal, alleging the AFC have suspended him "without proof" and were trying to ruin his career. "They said I went to watch that game and prepared that game when I don't know anything at all," he told The Cambodia Daily. "I made my career as a football coach and if they don't allow me to work, I'll be finished. What am I going to do?" Football Federation Australia declined to comment. ©AAP2017 http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/02/17/16/45/cambodian-banned-for-fixing-aus-u-19-gameStill get to keep the trophy but
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FFA declined to comment. Spineless fucks.
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It must be coming pretty close till FFA announce the overseas squad for this training camp in Spain. http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/02/24/exclusive-olyroos-camp-set-spain-next-monthI heard an Interview with Aiden O'neil the other day on SEN world of football where he was selected for this camp but because they don't have fifa windows in League 1 his club Oldham are negotiating with the FFA for his non selection.
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when are the next youth tournaments?
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aspro and tongyik make one of the best youth cb pairings we have had in a long time
for the mids we have calletti mcgree and rose with o'doherty, arzani and clut being strong contenders
borello probably takes a wing spot, Sotirio possibly takes the other. I'm surprised they don't have that 18yr old striker from the roar. But buhagier and blackwood are passable
fullbacks have galloway which is strong but not sure who would take the other spot
so once again strong mids wingers and cbs with weak fullbacks and strikers
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Garrucio for LB, preferably O'Doherty or Bughagiar for Sotirio, but a recently decapitated chicken would do.
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sotirio is one of those players that could probably be converted to an effective fullback
pretty strong defender and a powerful runner
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Squad is ok for qualifiers. It'll be good for the A-League players to keep up their fitness after having 3-4 weels off.
We've still got Ikon, O'Neill, Lyden, Mabil, Kalik, Hrustic, Burgess, Beadling, Gersbach and Brimmer of age generally coming off a long season and will need a little break. Gersbach is in season and is a full national player.
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Im reminded of peter skapetis
Last i heard of him was him not getting an offer for sheffieuld united after a trial
He is like 22 or something now
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Agree Grazor, think I posted that after the loss to Brisbane.
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Doesnt look like a strong side
For a u-23 team kinda looks bad
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+xDoesnt look like a strong side For a u-23 team kinda looks bad If you want I can help you write a python script to say the same comments on each thread all the time :D it will save you time ;)
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+xSquad is ok for qualifiers. It'll be good for the A-League players to keep up their fitness after having 3-4 weels off. We've still got Ikon, O'Neill, Lyden, Mabil, Kalik, Hrustic, Burgess, Beadling, Gersbach and Brimmer of age generally coming off a long season and will need a little break. Gersbach is in season and is a full national player. Gersbach definitely makes this side atypical since it means that for the first time I can remember the back four is a strong point
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Just based on the squad and overseas players here is what i think the lineup could be, anyone with other players just edit the lineup.
Assuming 4-3-3 with Gombau.
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Cowburn------Deng-------Aspro---------Gersbach----
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--Mabil------------------------------------------Armenakas--
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There are a lot of players to choose from 95s to a couple of 99s, do they have the quality is another thing.
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+xJust based on the squad and overseas players here is what i think the lineup could be, anyone with other players just edit the lineup. Assuming 4-3-3 with Gombau. -------------------------Glover-------------------------------- Cowburn------Deng-------Aspro---------Gersbach---- ------------------------Caletti---------------------------------- ------------------------------------McGree-------------------- ------------------Kalik------------------------------------------ --Mabil------------------------------------------Armenakas-- -------------------------Scott/Borello?------------------------- There are a lot of players to choose from 95s to a couple of 99s, do they have the quality is another thing. tongyik has very impressive stats. He is actually one of the best cbs in the league despite being very new. He might have pulled ahead of dent
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+x+xJust based on the squad and overseas players here is what i think the lineup could be, anyone with other players just edit the lineup. Assuming 4-3-3 with Gombau. -------------------------Glover-------------------------------- Cowburn------Deng-------Aspro---------Gersbach---- ------------------------Caletti---------------------------------- ------------------------------------McGree-------------------- ------------------Kalik------------------------------------------ --Mabil------------------------------------------Armenakas-- -------------------------Scott/Borello?------------------------- There are a lot of players to choose from 95s to a couple of 99s, do they have the quality is another thing. tongyik has very impressive stats. He is actually one of the best cbs in the league despite being very new. He might have pulled ahead of dent I'd have Tongyik ahead of Deng as well. Ever since he debuted he has looked mature beyond his years.
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Tong yikes receding hairline also makes him look mature beyond his years :D
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@balde all g
Just telling the trith
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