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Overnight they also played PSG and lost 3-2, indeed a great learning experienced for the players and coaches over there.

We don't get enough of it, the more of these games the better for the development.
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We Need more experiences like it for our youth. It's interesting to see the opponents style of play, from the highlights it seemed each touch and pass was on point. I note, I didn't see a lot of carrying of the ball.
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I understand the Joeys and Young Socceroos coaches are holding trials in Brisbane over the coming weeks. Certainly a welcome development for our young players and maybe a positive to come out of the closure of the CEO.
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Highlights from Sydney's 3-2 loss to Paris 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBKYrHz8J20

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Looking at those highlights no.41 for Sydney looked ever so slow in defending goals 1 and 3. That's why we need  more of these games. That's how these guys will learn and improve
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clivesundies - 1 Apr 2018 1:53 PM
I understand the Joeys and Young Socceroos coaches are holding trials in Brisbane over the coming weeks. Certainly a welcome development for our young players and maybe a positive to come out of the closure of the CEO.

are you saying there was never any trials for the ais program ? 
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Interesting that there is a JLeague team as well. Looks like they beat the Seville team 4-0, pity Sydney FC don't have a chance to play them
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Congrats to Sydney FC for beating Sporting Lisbon in the last game, winning 1-0.

A nice way to end their tournament, im sure they learned alot from this great experience. 
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clivesundies - 1 Apr 2018 1:53 PM
I understand the Joeys and Young Socceroos coaches are holding trials in Brisbane over the coming weeks. Certainly a welcome development for our young players and maybe a positive to come out of the closure of the CEO.

Hey Clive, do you know if the junior teams will be playing any international tournaments this year? 
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fuck we got a long way to go still... out muscled... out paced.. not even close technically.
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jas88 - 2 Apr 2018 9:33 AM
fuck we got a long way to go still... out muscled... out paced.. not even close technically.

It is a bench marking exercise against the best youth products in the world, the Sydney the kids will improve from the experience. More of it needs to happen however cost is the biggest obstacle. Love what Han Berger was able to achieve.

This is how Europe have stayed strong, footballing countries bordering each other and playing.

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are you saying there was never any trials for the ais program ? 

The AIS selections where made at the u14 nationals held in October each year, however if you were injured, not selected, lacking finances or for what ever reason not there you had no chance. Another inherent problem in that process was that you had to select a team to play in a tournament not the best players if that makes sense, my understanding of this new process is that 32 players will train and play under the guidance of the national team coach, this will provide twice as many places and in my opinion a better environment to identify potential talent.
 
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Barca4Life - 2 Apr 2018 9:06 AM
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Hey Clive, do you know if the junior teams will be playing any international tournaments this year? 

Hi Barca i believe we have Asian cup qualifiers in September but dont hold me to that.
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Did not know the new Joeys coach is former WSW NPL head coach Trevor Morgan.

Anyway, they are doing camps around the country in identifying the best u17 talent to form the Joeys squad for this year.

With the help of the state feds around 25-30 players have been identified in each federation, so around 200 to 240 players will be in the net.

Any news if they will be playing games prior to the AFC Champs? Nothing on the young Socceroos as yet.

JOEYS TALENT ID CAMPS GIVE YOUNGSTERS CHANCE TO IMPRESS


Some of Australia's best young footballers are being given the chance to impress Australia's U17 National Team Head Coach Trevor Morgan throughout April.

Morgan, alongside Australia's U17 National Team Manager Marty Judge, is currently making his way around the nation with the aim of monitoring players already on Australia's national youth teams radar, and unearthing new and exciting prospects from across Australia.

Morgan and Judge are running 'Joeys Member Federation Talent Identification Camps' in each state and territory as part of the selection process for the year's AFC U16 Championship, which will kick off in Malaysia in September. 

Each camp has been organised in collaboration with the Member Federations, and features between 25 and 30 players who have been selected by the respective Member Federation.

Players have or will take part in two training sessions plus a training match, and be exposed to lessons in injury prevention, training review, and match preparation. 

CONT  https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/joeys-talent-id-camps-give-youngsters-chance-impress



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it has to be said this season has been impressive for youngsters
atkinson, strain, caletti, mcgree, champness, kamau, blackwood, deng, arzani, italiano, brimmer, rowles, de silva, rose, buhagier, theohaurus, kontroumbis and wilson have all impressed me at some stage

who else is there?

I guess there could be more defenders, strikers and goal keepers but midfield and wing looks very promising
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How about O’Toole , Wales, o Docherty , Kostandopolus ,would like to see more of Leck , Dagastino ,Akbari
Maybe next year


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Jonsnow - 15 Apr 2018 1:26 PM
How about O’Toole , Wales, o Docherty , Kostandopolus ,would like to see more of Leck , Dagastino ,Akbari Maybe next year

hard to keep track of them all

best year for youth i have seen in the a league
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grazorblade - 15 Apr 2018 12:54 PM
it has to be said this season has been impressive for youngsters
atkinson, strain, caletti, mcgree, champness, kamau, blackwood, deng, arzani, italiano, brimmer, rowles, de silva, rose, buhagier, theohaurus, kontroumbis and wilson have all impressed me at some stage

who else is there?

I guess there could be more defenders, strikers and goal keepers but midfield and wing looks very promising

Warland and Margush. It's Elsey's first year as a starter as well.
Wellington also have Smith, Sail, Cacace, Singh and Rogerson also.
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Warland and Margush. It's Elsey's first year as a starter as well.
Wellington also have Smith, Sail, Cacace, Singh and Rogerson also.

any of the nix players aussie?
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grazorblade - 15 Apr 2018 1:47 PM
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any of the nix players aussie?

Unfortunately no.
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Talk about the recent Joeys camp...Tom Byer makes an interesting point.

Would winning a youth world cup be better beneficial in the short to medium term? 

Tom Byer: Australia should target winning the under-17 World Cup

The grassroots coach believes a target should be set to help kick start quality youth developmentYouth development expert Tom Byer says Australia should target winning FIFA's under-17 World Cup within 10 years as an 'achievable goal' to help improve production of quality young talent.

American-born Byer, speaking at his Football Starts At Home roadshow, believes the goal of winning FIFA's biennial under-17 championship should be set in order to get the ball rolling on producing better players.

"If I was in charge of Australian football development I would set the achievable goal of winning the under-17 World Cup in 10 years time," Byer said."Because it's held every two years, it allows for quicker measures of progress than say the senior World Cup."This would mean today's six-and seven-year-olds would be the generation to reach the target."

He believes football development should be driven by parents and start at the age of two-to-three, not the usual age entry level of six, and that kids should be taught fundamental skills such as ball retention and touch before learning how to kick a ball.

....http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/tom-byer-australia-football-development-under-17-world-cup/170swrcvuiz0z198a2svi6w465
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Barca4Life - 15 Apr 2018 5:21 PM
Talk about the recent Joeys camp...Tom Byer makes an interesting point.

Would winning a youth world cup be better beneficial in the short to medium term? 

Tom Byer: Australia should target winning the under-17 World Cup

The grassroots coach believes a target should be set to help kick start quality youth developmentYouth development expert Tom Byer says Australia should target winning FIFA's under-17 World Cup within 10 years as an 'achievable goal' to help improve production of quality young talent.

American-born Byer, speaking at his Football Starts At Home roadshow, believes the goal of winning FIFA's biennial under-17 championship should be set in order to get the ball rolling on producing better players.

"If I was in charge of Australian football development I would set the achievable goal of winning the under-17 World Cup in 10 years time," Byer said."Because it's held every two years, it allows for quicker measures of progress than say the senior World Cup."This would mean today's six-and seven-year-olds would be the generation to reach the target."

He believes football development should be driven by parents and start at the age of two-to-three, not the usual age entry level of six, and that kids should be taught fundamental skills such as ball retention and touch before learning how to kick a ball.

....http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/tom-byer-australia-football-development-under-17-world-cup/170swrcvuiz0z198a2svi6w465

Have to agree with him , particularly about ball retention

Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club

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We can't even qualify for these youth WCs through Asia.

Both u16, u19 matildas did not qualify.
U16 and u19 socceroos have Asian champs later on in the year and will also struggle to qualify even though more places are available than the women's. Top 4 go through to the WC.
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chondro - 16 Apr 2018 7:56 PM
We can't even qualify for these youth WCs through Asia. Both u16, u19 matildas did not qualify. U16 and u19 socceroos have Asian champs later on in the year and will also struggle to qualify even though more places are available than the women's. Top 4 go through to the WC.

Well put it this way it's more realistic to win one of these than winning the senior tournament itself which right now is a mile off 

Better benchmark more realistic and measurable goals if done right we could be close. 
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Barca4Life - 17 Apr 2018 11:21 AM
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Well put it this way it's more realistic to win one of these than winning the senior tournament itself which right now is a mile off 

Better benchmark more realistic and measurable goals if done right we could be close. 

the thing is though we almost climbed the mountain and it didn't get us anywhere

choosing physically advanced players is how you win period. The performance over results at youth level idea seems correct to me. My only worry is that you might sacrifice mental toughness if it ever seeps into the team that results aren't the goal at this age. There is probably a way to do both
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the thing is though we almost climbed the mountain and it didn't get us anywhere

choosing physically advanced players is how you win period. The performance over results at youth level idea seems correct to me. My only worry is that you might sacrifice mental toughness if it ever seeps into the team that results aren't the goal at this age. There is probably a way to do both

The problem with that thinking is what happens when the players get older and are not used to doing well in Asia? the next gen of Socceroos will be interesting to follow if they continue on this path of not being successful.

I have no problem with that at u17 level but for me, u20 and u23 should be about results as much as about performances and playing style, as those teams from the nucleus of the gen of national team players for most countries. 

For example with the bigger nations such as Germany won the u21 Euros in 2009 and in 2014 they won the world cup with almost the same gen, and Spain was successful at youth level and made them won 3 major trophies from 2008 to 2012.
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Barca4Life - 17 Apr 2018 2:40 PM
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The problem with that thinking is what happens when the players get older and are not used to doing well in Asia? the next gen of Socceroos will be interesting to follow if they continue on this path of not being successful.

I have no problem with that at u17 level but for me, u20 and u23 should be about results as much as about performances and playing style, as those teams from the nucleus of the gen of national team players for most countries. 

For example with the bigger nations such as Germany won the u21 Euros in 2009 and in 2014 they won the world cup with almost the same gen, and Spain was successful at youth level and made them won 3 major trophies from 2008 to 2012.

I guess we aren't playing against teams that are relying on physicality and parking the bus (apart from west asian teams uzbek in particular)

so perhaps results matter against east asian teams?
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Hard to compare to Europe, When Australian junior teams play in Asia we're almost always playing against a team parking the bus and a dodgy pitch 
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grazorblade - 17 Apr 2018 2:52 PM
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I guess we aren't playing against teams that are relying on physicality and parking the bus (apart from west asian teams uzbek in particular)

so perhaps results matter against east asian teams?

All matters in some way, the playing styles will vary depending on nation and continent.

Which is why qualifying is important as it exposes the players to different styles of play.
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If results dont matter why bother keeping score.


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