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At a quick glance our team has a lot who are under 20 while Jordan have 22 year olds. Japan probably the youngest squad.
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https://youtu.be/tT-fwj84P4cHighlights minus the penalty decision
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Jordan beat Kuwait 1:0 and get a late red card.
A draw will be enough against Jordan. H2H is first tie breaker and Australia have the superior goal difference. If Iraq win and Australia Jordan draw it's all 5 points.
I will assume a loss will mean elimination as Iraq should beat Kuwait.
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That scorpion goal is even better than McGree's and Garuccio's. https://youtu.be/Gno9DXeecUM
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if he scored that in Europe they would be calling him the next Drogba. Top stuff. How many other aussie strikers finish that? kid needs to be in socceroos team along with his brother.
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I would prefer we created and scored the Iraq goal to be honest. We rarely create what I consider an overwhelming buildup and finish in any of our national squads - more often relying on individuals to pull the trigger after doing something particularly special. Our ability to create an irresistible goal is what we have lacked when we play against heavy defensive traffic. For those thinking our U23 team could do better than our senior team (if they are serious), the number of poor decisions, blind turns, defending the wrong side of opponents and just blatant turnovers would give the victory to the senior team comfortably. There is a reason youth is our future and not our present (as a full team not as individuals I mean), and we see it when youth players step up to senior level and lose their effectiveness so often until they get the experience and physique to match it.
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+xI would prefer we created and scored the Iraq goal to be honest. We rarely create what I consider an overwhelming buildup and finish in any of our national squads - more often relying on individuals to pull the trigger after doing something particularly special. Our ability to create an irresistible goal is what we have lacked when we play against heavy defensive traffic. For those thinking our U23 team could do better than our senior team (if they are serious), the number of poor decisions, blind turns, defending the wrong side of opponents and just blatant turnovers would give the victory to the senior team comfortably. There is a reason youth is our future and not our present (as a full team not as individuals I mean), and we see it when youth players step up to senior level and lose their effectiveness so often until they get the experience and physique to match it. Our development pathway is not "hard" enough. We need more players that are showing talent competing for the limited spots in the 16-18 year old range and being given more minutes/games to play and as early as possible against more mature bodies and football brains. They need to be learning by that age how to express their skills effectively against "tougher" opposition.
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Iraq are such pussies - I see the u23 play like the men - roll around crying for half the game. Utterly pathetic these guys.
Many Middle eastern teams, it's why they will always be crap on the world stage. Absolute pea hearts with no discipline or mental strength.
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+xI would prefer we created and scored the Iraq goal to be honest. We rarely create what I consider an overwhelming buildup and finish in any of our national squads - more often relying on individuals to pull the trigger after doing something particularly special. Our ability to create an irresistible goal is what we have lacked when we play against heavy defensive traffic. For those thinking our U23 team could do better than our senior team (if they are serious), the number of poor decisions, blind turns, defending the wrong side of opponents and just blatant turnovers would give the victory to the senior team comfortably. There is a reason youth is our future and not our present (as a full team not as individuals I mean), and we see it when youth players step up to senior level and lose their effectiveness so often until they get the experience and physique to match it. I don’t know what your expecting when they playing with 10 men for most of the game, clearly you only watched the highlights to make that assumption up when that’s not true. In fact all three goals and the chances missed came from good football actions relating to good combination play certainly better football than the current Socceroos are displaying under Arnie.
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+x+xI would prefer we created and scored the Iraq goal to be honest. We rarely create what I consider an overwhelming buildup and finish in any of our national squads - more often relying on individuals to pull the trigger after doing something particularly special. Our ability to create an irresistible goal is what we have lacked when we play against heavy defensive traffic. For those thinking our U23 team could do better than our senior team (if they are serious), the number of poor decisions, blind turns, defending the wrong side of opponents and just blatant turnovers would give the victory to the senior team comfortably. There is a reason youth is our future and not our present (as a full team not as individuals I mean), and we see it when youth players step up to senior level and lose their effectiveness so often until they get the experience and physique to match it. I don’t know what your expecting when they playing with 10 men for most of the game, clearly you only watched the highlights to make that assumption up when that’s not true. In fact all three goals and the chances missed came from good football actions relating to good combination play certainly better football than the current Socceroos are displaying under Arnie.
I watched the whole game. So 'clearly' that shoots your argument down...? Which three goals are you talking about in the 1-1 draw though? What I was seeing in terms of skill and combination play was a lot of individuals creating space and beating their man - then passing to someone else who created space and beat their man. Most of our play relies on someone beating their opponent rather than using their team mates to get through, round and past then the final person beats one man and shoots - or the first one who beats their opponent draws the next defender and passes to the free man. There is no point in beating your opponent one on one every step of the build up - it is not good team play despite it being enjoyable to watch the individual skills shine. Being a man down does not mean we are overwhelmed all over the park when we have the ball - but we play like we are. I do not pay out on the team for how they held up in the face of a man down and a ref who let bad play continue. I do not pay out on the individuals who can beat an opponent, and I certainly found many of our attacks, particularly in the second half up the right flank, penetrating and effective. What I do say, is that watching the team play I rarely felt like we had a goal coming until the final shot. We are not smart enough with our play to use the considerable skill we do have to play the best team football we can - by a long way.
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+x+x+xI would prefer we created and scored the Iraq goal to be honest. We rarely create what I consider an overwhelming buildup and finish in any of our national squads - more often relying on individuals to pull the trigger after doing something particularly special. Our ability to create an irresistible goal is what we have lacked when we play against heavy defensive traffic. For those thinking our U23 team could do better than our senior team (if they are serious), the number of poor decisions, blind turns, defending the wrong side of opponents and just blatant turnovers would give the victory to the senior team comfortably. There is a reason youth is our future and not our present (as a full team not as individuals I mean), and we see it when youth players step up to senior level and lose their effectiveness so often until they get the experience and physique to match it. I don’t know what your expecting when they playing with 10 men for most of the game, clearly you only watched the highlights to make that assumption up when that’s not true. In fact all three goals and the chances missed came from good football actions relating to good combination play certainly better football than the current Socceroos are displaying under Arnie.
I watched the whole game. So 'clearly' that shoots your argument down...? Which three goals are you talking about in the 1-1 draw though? What I was seeing in terms of skill and combination play was a lot of individuals creating space and beating their man - then passing to someone else who created space and beat their man. Most of our play relies on someone beating their opponent rather than using their team mates to get through, round and past then the final person beats one man and shoots - or the first one who beats their opponent draws the next defender and passes to the free man. There is no point in beating your opponent one on one every step of the build up - it is not good team play despite it being enjoyable to watch the individual skills shine. Being a man down does not mean we are overwhelmed all over the park when we have the ball - but we play like we are. I do not pay out on the team for how they held up in the face of a man down and a ref who let bad play continue. I do not pay out on the individuals who can beat an opponent, and I certainly found many of our attacks, particularly in the second half up the right flank, penetrating and effective. What I do say, is that watching the team play I rarely felt like we had a goal coming until the final shot. We are not smart enough with our play to use the considerable skill we do have to play the best team football we can - by a long way. The 3 scored in the first two games I mean. But if you watched the whole game then fair enough as everyone is entitled to there opinion but given they only been together for only a week before the start of the tournament they have already shown they can play good football and this is important given the great individual skill level of some the players. For context that’s important given how little our under age come together before they play in these kind of tournaments compared to other countries in this region whom seemed more prepared.
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+x+x+x+xI would prefer we created and scored the Iraq goal to be honest. We rarely create what I consider an overwhelming buildup and finish in any of our national squads - more often relying on individuals to pull the trigger after doing something particularly special. Our ability to create an irresistible goal is what we have lacked when we play against heavy defensive traffic. For those thinking our U23 team could do better than our senior team (if they are serious), the number of poor decisions, blind turns, defending the wrong side of opponents and just blatant turnovers would give the victory to the senior team comfortably. There is a reason youth is our future and not our present (as a full team not as individuals I mean), and we see it when youth players step up to senior level and lose their effectiveness so often until they get the experience and physique to match it. I don’t know what your expecting when they playing with 10 men for most of the game, clearly you only watched the highlights to make that assumption up when that’s not true. In fact all three goals and the chances missed came from good football actions relating to good combination play certainly better football than the current Socceroos are displaying under Arnie.
I watched the whole game. So 'clearly' that shoots your argument down...? Which three goals are you talking about in the 1-1 draw though? What I was seeing in terms of skill and combination play was a lot of individuals creating space and beating their man - then passing to someone else who created space and beat their man. Most of our play relies on someone beating their opponent rather than using their team mates to get through, round and past then the final person beats one man and shoots - or the first one who beats their opponent draws the next defender and passes to the free man. There is no point in beating your opponent one on one every step of the build up - it is not good team play despite it being enjoyable to watch the individual skills shine. Being a man down does not mean we are overwhelmed all over the park when we have the ball - but we play like we are. I do not pay out on the team for how they held up in the face of a man down and a ref who let bad play continue. I do not pay out on the individuals who can beat an opponent, and I certainly found many of our attacks, particularly in the second half up the right flank, penetrating and effective. What I do say, is that watching the team play I rarely felt like we had a goal coming until the final shot. We are not smart enough with our play to use the considerable skill we do have to play the best team football we can - by a long way. The 3 scored in the first two games I mean. But if you watched the whole game then fair enough as everyone is entitled to there opinion but given they only been together for only a week before the start of the tournament they have already shown they can play good football and this is important given the great individual skill level of some the players. For context that’s important given how little our under age come together before they play in these kind of tournaments compared to other countries in this region whom seemed more prepared. I basically agree with what you say there. It is how all our national teams play that concerns me and is reflected in this young group for now. I cannot recall the last time we played anything like a decent opponent and I felt we were on the verge of scoring or that it was inevitable we would. I want that feeling back! Watching the Iraqi build up I thought 'crap, we are going to concede' quite a few times, and that is why I say I would prefer we scored their goal rather than Kuol's fantastic, flashy one. I know our young players can play some brilliant football and we see good glimpses of it - so I am a bit disappointed when it doesn't result in the sustained pressure that they should be able to bring to bear. I have a lot of hope in this young playing group coming through - carried on the wings of what we see of them in the ALM comp as a sample. Just I don't think they can cut it against senior opposition of any quality yet as a whole group. Individually, a few of them can already.
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Just a passing thought that had not really struck me before. The nature of youth squads is to always be in a rebuilding stage to some extent, as players get older and no longer eligible quite quickly. I was just thinking of Arnie (and other previous managers) choosing and sticking with their favourites past their use-by date and that at least is not so much of an issue with youth teams. Half curse and half boon that the tidal pool gets refreshed so consistently.
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+x+x+x+x+xI would prefer we created and scored the Iraq goal to be honest. We rarely create what I consider an overwhelming buildup and finish in any of our national squads - more often relying on individuals to pull the trigger after doing something particularly special. Our ability to create an irresistible goal is what we have lacked when we play against heavy defensive traffic. For those thinking our U23 team could do better than our senior team (if they are serious), the number of poor decisions, blind turns, defending the wrong side of opponents and just blatant turnovers would give the victory to the senior team comfortably. There is a reason youth is our future and not our present (as a full team not as individuals I mean), and we see it when youth players step up to senior level and lose their effectiveness so often until they get the experience and physique to match it. I don’t know what your expecting when they playing with 10 men for most of the game, clearly you only watched the highlights to make that assumption up when that’s not true. In fact all three goals and the chances missed came from good football actions relating to good combination play certainly better football than the current Socceroos are displaying under Arnie.
I watched the whole game. So 'clearly' that shoots your argument down...? Which three goals are you talking about in the 1-1 draw though? What I was seeing in terms of skill and combination play was a lot of individuals creating space and beating their man - then passing to someone else who created space and beat their man. Most of our play relies on someone beating their opponent rather than using their team mates to get through, round and past then the final person beats one man and shoots - or the first one who beats their opponent draws the next defender and passes to the free man. There is no point in beating your opponent one on one every step of the build up - it is not good team play despite it being enjoyable to watch the individual skills shine. Being a man down does not mean we are overwhelmed all over the park when we have the ball - but we play like we are. I do not pay out on the team for how they held up in the face of a man down and a ref who let bad play continue. I do not pay out on the individuals who can beat an opponent, and I certainly found many of our attacks, particularly in the second half up the right flank, penetrating and effective. What I do say, is that watching the team play I rarely felt like we had a goal coming until the final shot. We are not smart enough with our play to use the considerable skill we do have to play the best team football we can - by a long way. The 3 scored in the first two games I mean. But if you watched the whole game then fair enough as everyone is entitled to there opinion but given they only been together for only a week before the start of the tournament they have already shown they can play good football and this is important given the great individual skill level of some the players. For context that’s important given how little our under age come together before they play in these kind of tournaments compared to other countries in this region whom seemed more prepared. I basically agree with what you say there. It is how all our national teams play that concerns me and is reflected in this young group for now. I cannot recall the last time we played anything like a decent opponent and I felt we were on the verge of scoring or that it was inevitable we would. I want that feeling back! Watching the Iraqi build up I thought 'crap, we are going to concede' quite a few times, and that is why I say I would prefer we scored their goal rather than Kuol's fantastic, flashy one. I know our young players can play some brilliant football and we see good glimpses of it - so I am a bit disappointed when it doesn't result in the sustained pressure that they should be able to bring to bear. I have a lot of hope in this young playing group coming through - carried on the wings of what we see of them in the ALM comp as a sample. Just I don't think they can cut it against senior opposition of any quality yet as a whole group. Individually, a few of them can already. The last time we did play quality team football was when Ange was coaching the national team but even then it took some time for he’s ideas for click. International football it’s a lot more challenging compared to the day in day out club football. We have to remember it’s more difficult to get ideas implemented when they have so little time together to gel, they can only do so much it anything it shows these players need more international football under there belt before going into tournaments like these.
I could be wrong but the likes of Japan etc play at least 10 to 15 times together before going into these type of tournaments and it’s no wonder they gel so well.
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+xif he scored that in Europe they would be calling him the next Drogba. Top stuff. How many other aussie strikers finish that? kid needs to be in socceroos team along with his brother. No they wouldn't. Not after barely playing for Sandhausen in Bundesliga 2. Not all football fans don't wet their pants after one freak goal to "CAP HIM". Look at the big picture.
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How does the current squad compare to the squads we have had in the past? I say this current generation looks very promising!
2013 AFC U-22 Championship2016 AFC U-23 Championship squad 2018 AFC U-23 Championship squad
2020 AFC U-23 Championship squad
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Each squad has a few good names. I think this bunch are the most exciting but whether they go as far as the 2020 squad remains to be seen.
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Yeah I heard that as well
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A lot of people seem to have short memories. We were excited by each of the last several failures at u23 level. Enjoying the style they played, their ability to play out, maintain possession and break forwards. Brillante was once the second coming.
I saw a lot of players in the first two games pass to no one, turn into trouble, have basic skill failures resulting in turnovers. Lots of passing the ball sideways but very little meaningful forwards progression. Australian coaches need to understand that possession IS NOT THE PRIME OBJECTIVE OF EACH GAME. So many Australian sides and clubs focus on having 70% possession against weaker opponents, and then can't break them down because they flood the defensive area. We need to be more defensivley solid and sometimes allow opponents to have the ball, so we then have space to counter attack into. We simply don't have the players with the technique, vision or work rate to successfully break down packed defences.
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need to watch a few more games to compare
the last game against iraq was genuinely impressive - i think we lose that game a few years ago with the same adversity
but it can still go pear shaped from here
do we have a bunch of players out (like tilio for example)
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+xneed to watch a few more games to compare the last game against iraq was genuinely impressive - i think we lose that game a few years ago with the same adversity but it can still go pear shaped from here do we have a bunch of players out (like tilio for example) +xneed to watch a few more games to compare the last game against iraq was genuinely impressive - i think we lose that game a few years ago with the same adversity but it can still go pear shaped from here do we have a bunch of players out (like tilio for example) Well Atkinson, Rowles, King and Tilio are with the Socceroos
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About to get underway vs Jordan
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This referee knows how to blow his whistle.
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This could be serious, his knee seemed to bend at an odd angle as he landed.
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Quite an even game
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Reckon they had the better chances that half
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Bility really impressed me in that first half. Seemed to easily win everything that came his way, and his passing out from the back was both fast and accurate.
I’m super disappointed in Brook both in this game and the tournament so far. I was such a vocal fan of his during the qualification matches, but the dude just has zero end product. He wastes chance after chance after chance, over-hitting passes, shooting tame shots, or killing our momentum by deciding to pass backwards. Needs to be hooked at the earliest opportunity.
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